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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1685">whistlersmom</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6513<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Aug&nbsp;22&nbsp;2017 at 10:01pm<br /><br /><p align="left" style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 150%">Theonly new housing trend in Middletown is empty lots.</p><p align="left" style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 150%">Howmany Middletonians are aware that <b>nothing</b> can be built on thelots where homes were razed?</p><p align="left" style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 150%">Thatsounds outrageous, doesn’t it?  And you probably think it isn’ttrue.  Oh, but it is true.</p><p align="left" style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 150%">Thereis no official ordinance that prohibits building on those lots.  ButMr Adkins coaxed council into changing some building codes, such asset backs, that make it impossible to build on those lots withoutviolating the code.  <b>Why?</b>  And no exceptions or variance willbe made for those lots.  Sneaky and underhanded, but not quiteillegal?!?!  You know, he’s a lawyer and knows how to do thosethings.  <b>Council can fix this, but will they?</b></p><p align="left" style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 150%"><b>Therecould be new housing all over town </b><b>on those empty lots </b><b>andit could be local, even individual enterprise to fund it.  </b><b>Theresidents would get to decide for themselves what kind of housingthey want in their own neighborhood.  </b><b>The tax base broadens,neighborhood pride goes up and all it takes is removing the shackles.</b></p><p align="left" style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 150%">Ourcity manager seems to think empty lots represent revitalization! It’s really just one more way that Middletown is kept fromrecovering or moving forward.  Is this part of Mr Adkins five yearplan?</p><p align="left" style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 150%">We havebeen throwing money away and gone backward for years. The city lostincome from real estate taxes and has to pay to keep empty lots mowedor give property away to the mowing contractor (who then discovers hehas been given a liability).</p><p align="left" style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 150%">Inorder to receive grant money for half the cost of razing properties,the land had to be turned over to the land bank.  Was the land turnedover?  Was the grant money received or was that lost too?  <b>Did thetax payer shoulder all of the bill for razing properties?</b></p><p align="left" style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 150%"><b>T</b><b>hecity coffers and the tax payers pockets are both empty</b></p>]]>
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   <title>Housing Revisited : The Planning Commission could(should)...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1685">whistlersmom</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6513<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Aug&nbsp;20&nbsp;2017 at 5:59pm<br /><br /><p style="margin-top: 0.04in; margin-bottom: 0.04in; line-height: 150%">&nbsp;The Planning Commission could(should) shelve their recent housingresearch into Amelia/Ryan Homes for future reference, and insteadcome up with some <b>realistic</b> plans for making Middletowncompetitive with surrounding communities that are outpacing us. Middletown needs fresh ideas from Planning that don’t involve thesame old housing (non)issues.</p><p style="margin-top: 0.04in; margin-bottom: 0.04in; line-height: 150%">Planning could(should) recommend losing the numerous obnoxious,unnecessary planning and zoning ordinances that discourage newbusiness and industry, in favor of stream lining the process ofsetting up new businesses in Middletown.  That could actually helpsolve our jobless condition and lack of tax base … then many otherproblems would just cease to be.</p><p align="left" style="margin-top: 0.04in; margin-bottom: 0.04in; line-height: 150%">The Planning Commission, hopefully, will wake up to the fact thatthey have a voice and are not obligated to follow or repeat the citymanager’s rhetoric and needless micro-management with thesubsequent mistakes and problems that continue to hold us back.  Andall the oppressive redundant bureaucracies, groups, committees andcommissions, etc., created at Mr Adkins’ suggestion, could (should)be abolished.  If the The Planning Commission has nothing to offer asalternative to Mr Adkins’ plan(s) then of what use are they?  Oh,forgot, you could be “decommissioned” and asked to resign fordisagreeing with Mr Adkins if you are not one of his bobble-heads.</p><p align="left" style="margin-top: 0.04in; margin-bottom: 0.04in; line-height: 150%">Our current condition and problems will persist until Middletownshakes it’s bad reputation and becomes a desirable place to liveand work.   Housing isn’t the problem, it’s a symptom.  We needbusiness, industry, jobs and sensible government that will promoteachieving those goals.  <b>Stop clinging to useless past policieswhich are not working!  Take us in a new direction that we can beproud to declare as good and positive.</b></p><p align="left" style="margin-top: 0.04in; margin-bottom: 0.04in; line-height: 150%">Mr Adkins has said that tearing down 400+ homes would rid us ofblight and raise the value of the remaining real estate inMiddletown.  It did neither!  In some cases, truly blighted areaswere ignored while some nicer homes for possible rehab were razed inorder to reach a quota.  He said in the recent ‘housing meetingsfor the public’, that his discussion wouldn’t involve tearingdown more housing.  But that doesn’t mean it’s off his to do listand with probable intent to make the same a fore mentioned mistakes! Mr Adkins’ meetings did not succeed in explaining away mistakes andhe indicated that there would be no change of course.  It will be hisway or no way.  Now he wants to build more housing which will likelycost the city big bucks to achieve.  So, Mr Adkins, neither one ofthese actions has significantly improved Middletown’s condition…tearing down or building new.  All of the new home construction planshave been or will be in Warren Co. Franklin school district withlittle or no benefit to Middletown’s tax base!!!</p><p align="left" style="margin-top: 0.04in; margin-bottom: 0.04in; line-height: 150%"><b>The current set of plans and policies is in direct opposition tothe growth and improvement of Middletown.  We are just marking time! When will our city government take some positive steps?  It willrequire some backbone and willingness to consider alternative choicesand then make appropriate changes.  To those who read this blog buthave remained silent … if you think we need positive change youneed to support positive change … express your opinion … vote …and take part in the proces</b></p><p align="left" style="margin-top: 0.04in; margin-bottom: 0.04in; line-height: 150%"><a name="ctl00_ctl00_Master_Page_Page__Right_lbBoard"></a><span style=": #ffff00"><strong>Planning Commission Members</strong></span></p><a name="ctl00_ctl00_Master_Page_Page__Right_GridView1"></a><table width="817" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0">	<colgroup><col width="239">	<col width="217">	<col width="82">	<col width="246">	</colgroup><t>		<tr>			<th width="239" style="border-top: 1px solid #989898; border-bottom: 1px solid #989898; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right: 1px solid #cbcbcb; padding-top: 0.03in; padding-bottom: 0.03in; padding-left: 0in; padding-right: 0.04in">				<p align="center"><font color="#000000">Name</font></p>			</th>			<th width="217" style="border-top: 1px solid #989898; border-bottom: 1px solid #989898; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right: 1px solid #cbcbcb; padding-top: 0.03in; padding-bottom: 0.03in; padding-left: 0in; padding-right: 0.04in">				<p align="center"><font color="#000000">Address</font></p>			</th>			<th width="82" style="border-top: 1px solid #989898; border-bottom: 1px solid #989898; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right: 1px solid #cbcbcb; padding-top: 0.03in; padding-bottom: 0.03in; padding-left: 0in; padding-right: 0.04in">				<p align="center"><font color="#000000">Zip Code</font></p>			</th>			<th width="246" style="border-top: 1px solid #989898; border-bottom: 1px solid #989898; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right: 1px solid #cbcbcb; padding-top: 0.03in; padding-bottom: 0.03in; padding-left: 0in; padding-right: 0.04in">				<p align="center"><font color="#000000">Term Expires</font></p>			</th>		</tr>	</t>	<t>		<tr>			<td width="239" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom: n&#111;ne; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb203, 203, 203; padding: 0in 0.08in 0in 0in;">				<p>01 Friedman, Mike</p>			</td>			<td width="217" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom: n&#111;ne; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb203, 203, 203; padding: 0in 0.08in 0in 0in;">				<p>4920 Timberline Drive</p>			</td>			<td width="82" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom: n&#111;ne; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb203, 203, 203; padding: 0in 0.08in 0in 0in;">				<p>45042</p>			</td>			<td width="246" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom: n&#111;ne; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb203, 203, 203; padding: 0in 0.08in 0in 0in;">				<p>2017</p>			</td>		</tr>		<tr ="#edf5ff">			<td width="239" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom: n&#111;ne; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb203, 203, 203; padding: 0in 0.08in 0in 0in;">				<p>02 Gross, Gary</p>			</td>			<td width="217" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom: n&#111;ne; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb203, 203, 203; padding: 0in 0.08in 0in 0in;">				<p>4909 Shannon Way</p>			</td>			<td width="82" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom: n&#111;ne; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb203, 203, 203; padding: 0in 0.08in 0in 0in;">				<p>45044</p>			</td>			<td width="246" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom: n&#111;ne; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb203, 203, 203; padding: 0in 0.08in 0in 0in;">				<p>2018**</p>			</td>		</tr>		<tr>			<td width="239" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom: n&#111;ne; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb203, 203, 203; padding: 0in 0.08in 0in 0in;">				<p>03 Langhorne, John</p>			</td>			<td width="217" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom: n&#111;ne; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb203, 203, 203; padding: 0in 0.08in 0in 0in;">				<p>16 Sycamore Terrace</p>			</td>			<td width="82" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom: n&#111;ne; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb203, 203, 203; padding: 0in 0.08in 0in 0in;">				<p>45042</p>			</td>			<td width="246" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom: n&#111;ne; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb203, 203, 203; padding: 0in 0.08in 0in 0in;">				<p>2019</p>			</td>		</tr>		<tr ="#edf5ff">			<td width="239" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom: n&#111;ne; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb203, 203, 203; padding: 0in 0.08in 0in 0in;">				<p>04 McCauley-Myers, David</p>			</td>			<td width="217" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom: n&#111;ne; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb203, 203, 203; padding: 0in 0.08in 0in 0in;">				<p>308 S. Main Street</p>			</td>			<td width="82" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom: n&#111;ne; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb203, 203, 203; padding: 0in 0.08in 0in 0in;">				<p>45044</p>			</td>			<td width="246" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom: n&#111;ne; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb203, 203, 203; padding: 0in 0.08in 0in 0in;">				<p>2018*</p>			</td>		</tr>		<tr>			<td width="239" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom: n&#111;ne; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb203, 203, 203; padding: 0in 0.08in 0in 0in;">				<p>05 Mejias, Joanne</p>			</td>			<td width="217" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom: n&#111;ne; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb203, 203, 203; padding: 0in 0.08in 0in 0in;">				<p>409 Regent Drive</p>			</td>			<td width="82" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom: n&#111;ne; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb203, 203, 203; padding: 0in 0.08in 0in 0in;">				<p>45044</p>			</td>			<td width="246" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom: n&#111;ne; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb203, 203, 203; padding: 0in 0.08in 0in 0in;">				<p>2017</p>			</td>		</tr>		<tr ="#edf5ff">			<td width="239" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom: n&#111;ne; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb203, 203, 203; padding: 0in 0.08in 0in 0in;">				<p>06 Nenni, Paul</p>			</td>			<td width="217" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom: n&#111;ne; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb203, 203, 203; padding: 0in 0.08in 0in 0in;">				<p>1064 N. University Blvd.</p>			</td>			<td width="82" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom: n&#111;ne; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb203, 203, 203; padding: 0in 0.08in 0in 0in;">				<p>45042</p>			</td>			<td width="246" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom: n&#111;ne; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb203, 203, 203; padding: 0in 0.08in 0in 0in;">				<p>2020</p>			</td>		</tr>		<tr>			<td width="239" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom: n&#111;ne; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb203, 203, 203; padding: 0in 0.08in 0in 0in;">				<p>07 Moore, Todd</p>			</td>			<td width="217" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom: n&#111;ne; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb203, 203, 203; padding: 0in 0.08in 0in 0in;">				<p>1808 Schirm Dr</p>			</td>			<td width="82" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom: n&#111;ne; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb203, 203, 203; padding: 0in 0.08in 0in 0in;">				<p>45042</p>			</td>			<td width="246" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom: n&#111;ne; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb203, 203, 203; padding: 0in 0.08in 0in 0in;">				<p>School Board Representative</p>			</td>		</tr>		<tr ="#edf5ff">			<td width="239" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom: n&#111;ne; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb203, 203, 203; padding: 0in 0.08in 0in 0in;">				<p>Combs, Ashley</p>			</td>			<td width="217" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom: n&#111;ne; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb203, 203, 203; padding: 0in 0.08in 0in 0in;">				<p>One Donham Plaza</p>			</td>			<td width="82" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom: n&#111;ne; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb203, 203, 203; padding: 0in 0.08in 0in 0in;">				<p>45042</p>			</td>			<td width="246" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom: n&#111;ne; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb203, 203, 203; padding: 0in 0.08in 0in 0in;">				<p>&nbsp;</p>			</td>		</tr>		<tr>			<td width="239" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom: n&#111;ne; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb203, 203, 203; padding: 0in 0.08in 0in 0in;">				<p>				<font color="#696969"><font face="Liberati&#111;n Serif, serif"><font style="font-size: 12pt">Mulligan,				Larry</font></font></font></p>			</td>			<td width="217" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom: n&#111;ne; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb203, 203, 203; padding: 0in 0.08in 0in 0in;">				<p>				<font color="#696969"><font face="Liberati&#111;n Serif, serif"><font style="font-size: 12pt">One				Donham Plaza</font></font></font></p>			</td>			<td width="82" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom: n&#111;ne; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb203, 203, 203; padding: 0in 0.08in 0in 0in;">				<p>				<font color="#696969"><font face="Liberati&#111;n Serif, serif"><font style="font-size: 12pt">45042</font></font></font></p>			</td>			<td width="246" valign="top" style="border-top: n&#111;ne; border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-color: rgb128, 128, 128; border-left: n&#111;ne; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: rgb128, 128, 128; padding: 0in 0.03in 0.03in 0in;"></td>		</tr>	</t></table><p align="left" style="margin-top: 0.04in; margin-bottom: 0.04in; line-height: 150%"><span style=": #ffff00">PS   My reply to Mr Adkins’ CityManager Blog on CityofMiddletown website, regarding “housingmeetings for the public” was edited out and never posted there (butwas posted on this forum).  Critical or opposing remarks will not betolerated on his City Manager Blog.</span></p><p align="left" style="margin-top: 0.04in; margin-bottom: 0.04in; line-height: 150%"><span style=": #ffff00">PPS   In response to dez’s “ifyou build it they will come” … If you subsidize it and /or giveit away or sell it for $1, they will come.</span></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1742">dezzyfits</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6513<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Aug&nbsp;09&nbsp;2017 at 1:43pm<br /><br />if you build it they will come]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6513<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Aug&nbsp;09&nbsp;2017 at 1:16pm<br /><br />dezzy:<br /><br />The information you have provided is a generalized overview of pockets of the nation's housing market. There are neighborhoods in all states that have greatly appreciated in value and there are cities, like Middletown that have taken an equity bath with no one escaping the lowering of their property value. The nation's housing market in no way resembles the Middletown housing market in most instances. Very little appreciation if any for any property owner in this city. <br /><br />It is a fact that Middletown's housing owners have taken a bath as to home value for many years now. You can see this on the Butler County Auditor website with any Middletown property. I have lost 20 thou in value the last few years. As a matter of fact, when I refinanced my home four years ago, I qualified for a HARP loan because my home was underwater as to any equity built up since 2005. <br /><br />Bottom line is that Middletown is not a destination for most to buy a home no matter the price range. We could have the best home choice stock of any community around here and people will still not drive here to look around to see what this city has to offer. <br /><br />Why?<br /><br />I refer you to whistlersmom's posts listing the drawbacks as to interest in living here. It isn't the housing offered as much as it is the poor environment/city operation offered in which to live to potential residents in this town. The city leaders have just flat out made the town non-attractive in almost every aspect and have made poor decision after poor decision the last four decades. <br /><br />If you don't see that this town needs a total remake involving leaders that have a clue about real needs, then you are in denial. That includes the false thinking that upgraded housing, as the city manager is proposing, is going to make a large dent in the unappealing environment this town is offering at this time. Gotta develop a program that will fix the unappealing factors listed before we start thinking that new housing is the answer to everything. Upgrading housing is a band aid on a city that requires serious surgery at this time. <br /><br />Clean up the current problems, make it appealing, lose the poor image and they will come and consider living here. Until that is done, forget bringing in new people. No outsider wants to live here unless they are drug dealers-users/career criminals or people looking for a freebie handout due to the welfare, HUD, low income stigma placed on the city by it's leaders. We no longer attract quality people here. It is quite evident.  ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1742">dezzyfits</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6513<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Aug&nbsp;09&nbsp;2017 at 11:40am<br /><br /><div>"...Housing markets continued to strengthen in 2016, with new and existing home sales, prices, and construction levels all on the rise. Still, single-family construction, traditionally the largest source of residential investment, remains well below historical levels. As a result, low inventories of homes for sale are driving nominal prices above pre-recession peaks in many metros. In rental markets, low vacancy rates are pushing up rents and keeping multifamily construction relatively strong. Easing these tight conditions is especially difficult where labor shortages and limited land availability constrain new housing supply....." from the Joint Center for Housing Studies of Harvard University http://www.jchs.harvard.edu/research/publications/state-nations-housing-2017.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Sure, now go ahead and reply with all the "..but this is <i>Middletown</i>- and it's so <b>different</b> from everything else and so <b>bad</b>..." rhetoric.</div><div><br></div><div><img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley23.gif" border="0" alt="Geek" title="Geek" /><br></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6513<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Aug&nbsp;09&nbsp;2017 at 9:21am<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by dezzyfits" alt="Originally posted by dezzyfits" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>dezzyfits wrote:</strong><br /><br />I would like to say that after reading this thread, in my opinion, whistlersmom could not be more incorrect. I would list everything, but if you read whistlersmom's  post(s)- just take the exact opposite- and that is my opinion. <img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley29.gif" border="0" alt="Wacko" title="Wacko" /></td></tr></table> <br /><br />Interesting comment dezzyfits. Please provide proof that the comments made by whistlersmom are incorrect. Based on your response, we will be able to form a conclusion and you will be able to establish yourself as a viable source for truth. Please specify the incorrect info from whistlerssmom.<br /><br />Thanks in advance for your response. ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=213">Paul Nagy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6513<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Aug&nbsp;09&nbsp;2017 at 9:06am<br /><br />Dezzyfits,<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; After reading your post about Whistlersmom I conclude that you couldn't be more incorrect.&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Paul nagy<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1742">dezzyfits</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6513<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Aug&nbsp;09&nbsp;2017 at 8:54am<br /><br />I would like to say that after reading this thread, in my opinion, whistlersmom could not be more incorrect. I would list everything, but if you read whistlersmom's &nbsp;post(s)- just take the exact opposite- and that is my opinion.&nbsp;<img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley29.gif" border="0" alt="Wacko" title="Wacko" />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1685">whistlersmom</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6513<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Aug&nbsp;08&nbsp;2017 at 8:56pm<br /><br /><p align="left" style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 100%;"><span style="display: inline-block; border: n&#111;ne; padding: 0in"><font style="font-size: 12pt"><font face="Liberati&#111;n Serif, serif">Imade this reply </font><font style="font-size: 12pt">to</font><font style="font-size: 12pt">Doug’s City ManagerBlog </font><font style="font-size: 12pt">on the city’swebsite </font><font style="font-size: 12pt">under&nbsp;</font></font></span></p><p align="left" style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 100%;"><font style="font-size: 12pt"><font color="#666666">HousingMeetings for the&nbsp;Public… </font></font></p><p align="left" style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 100%;"><br></p><p align="left" style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 100%;"><font face="Liberati&#111;n Serif, serif"><font color="#666666" size="3">butI doubt that he will allow it to be posted</font></font></p><p align="left" style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 100%;"><br></p><p style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 100%;"><span style="display: inline-block; border: n&#111;ne; padding: 0in"><font style="font-size: 12pt"><font face="Liberati&#111;n Serif, serif">Whistler'sMom</font></font></span></p><p style="margin-bottom: 0.2in; line-height: 100%"><span style="display: inline-block; border: n&#111;ne; padding: 0in"><font color="#999999"><font face="Liberati&#111;n Serif, serif"><font style="font-size: 12pt"><a href="https://citymanagermiddletown.com/2017/07/31/housing-meetings-for-the-public/#comment-968" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">August8, 2017 at 2:46 pm</a></font></font></font></span></p><p style="margin-bottom: 0in; border: n&#111;ne; padding: 0in"><font face="Liberati&#111;n Serif, serif"><font style="font-size: 12pt">Yourcomment is awaiting moderation.</font></font></p><p align="left" style="margin-bottom: 0in; border: n&#111;ne; padding: 0in;"><span style="display: inline-block; border: n&#111;ne; padding: 0in"><font face="Liberati&#111;n Serif, serif"><font style="font-size: 12pt"><font color="#404040">Constantrepetition of most anything… even a lie, eventually gives it the“appearance” of credibility. Housing isn’t a problem, it’s asymptom! But your constant claim of a housing problem has the publicfooled into belief.  Fix our real problems and housing issues willfix themselves with little or no city input or expense. Work on ourinfrastructure and amenities, improve academic rating of our schools,invite instead of discourage business and jobs… you can fill inmore.</font></font></font></span></p><p align="left" style="margin-bottom: 0in; border: n&#111;ne; padding: 0in;"><br></p><p align="left" style="margin-bottom: 0in; border: n&#111;ne; padding: 0in;"><font size="2">I would have liked to add a list of costly major mistakes the cityhas made every year or so and point out that the ‘50 year decision’that the Planning Commission is contemplating is likely going to makethe list and be a real ‘doozy.’  Warren Co.,Franklin SchoolDistrict will reap all the revenue from the school tax levies fromall of Middletown’s endeavors  in Warren Co  Those endeavorsinclude Sawyer Mill and The Renaissance.  Poor ole’ Middletown willlive with this one for 45 years more than Doug’s 5 year plan(s).</font></p><p align="left" style="margin-bottom: 0in; border: n&#111;ne; padding: 0in;"><font size="2">Some of the previous major blunders are:</font></p><p align="left" style="margin-bottom: 0in; border: n&#111;ne; padding: 0in;"><font size="2">Trinity Place</font></p><p align="left" style="margin-bottom: 0in; border: n&#111;ne; padding: 0in;"><font size="2">Lake Mistake</font></p><p align="left" style="margin-bottom: 0in; border: n&#111;ne; padding: 0in;"><font size="2">Renaming &amp; Moving our hospital to Warren Co,Franklin SchoolDistrict  and demolishing the original hospital</font></p><p align="left" style="margin-bottom: 0in; border: n&#111;ne; padding: 0in;"><font size="2">Losing our major industries and jobs and losing that income tax base</font></p><p align="left" style="margin-bottom: 0in; border: n&#111;ne; padding: 0in;"><font size="2">Purchasing the Thatcher Estate</font></p><p align="left" style="margin-bottom: 0in; border: n&#111;ne; padding: 0in;"><font size="2">Building all new schools at the expense of academic excellence</font></p><p align="left" style="margin-bottom: 0in; border: n&#111;ne; padding: 0in;"><font size="2">Bringing in Section 8 which attracted indigents and drug addicts</font></p><p align="left" style="margin-bottom: 0in; border: n&#111;ne; padding: 0in;"><font size="2">Razing 400 properties (even though some could have been rehabbed) andlosing our property tax base</font></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1685">whistlersmom</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6513<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Aug&nbsp;07&nbsp;2017 at 6:54pm<br /><br /><p align="left" style="margin-top: 0.04in; margin-bottom: 0.04in; line-height: 150%"><b>HOUSING ISN’T A PROBLEM, IT’S A SYMPTOM</b></p><p align="left" style="margin-top: 0.04in; margin-bottom: 0.04in; line-height: 150%">As advertised on the City Manager’s blog, July 31, 2017, Mr Adkins’first “Housing Meeting for the Public” took place 8/3/2017.   Itwas reported in the Saturday, August 5, 2017 Journal News article,“Middletown <b>explains</b> housing issues city faces” by EdRichter, with a subheading titled “Residents supportive of effortsto address ongoing challenges”.  Again, staff writer, Ed Richter’sreporting presents an enhanced and slanted view of Mr Adkins specialinterests, exactly as Mr Adkins likes it.</p><p align="left" style="margin-top: 0.04in; margin-bottom: 0.04in; line-height: 150%"><b>The current “housing </b><b>problem</b><b>”, in Mr Adkinsopinion, is </b><b>most undesirable.  He keeps his dark and gloomydescription of Middletown’</b><b>s supposed</b><b> “housing</b><b>problem”</b><b> prominently displayed and furiouslydiscussed because it serves the purpose of hiding the real problems. Of course, no mention is ever made of how or why this supposed“housing </b><b>problem</b><b>” evolved, because, Mr Adkins’overall policies as city manager have been a major cause of ourproblems which </b><b>have </b><b>AFFECTED</b><b> housing.</b>  TheJournal News articles’ subheading goes on to say that “residentsare supportive of efforts to address ongoing challenges” whichplays up a positive for Adkins same old rhetoric about housing butfails to mention the well taken opposing view in the article.</p><p align="left" style="margin-top: 0.04in; margin-bottom: 0.04in; line-height: 150%"><b>The sole purpose of this and subsequent meetings seems apparent: Cover up the real problem (with the help of the Journal News) byconvincing the public that our housing situation is THE MAJOR PROBLEMthat Middletown faces.</b>  <b>Nothingcould be further from the truth.  Housing is not a problem at all,but is the result of Middletown’s real problem… a long list ofmismanagement with devastating results.  We are the only areacommunity that has not made a significant recovery from therecession.</b></p><p align="left" style="margin-top: 0.04in; margin-bottom: 0.04in; line-height: 150%"><b>The Monday 8/7/17 Journal </b><b>N</b><b>ews announced thePlanning Commission </b><b>will make a ‘50-year decision’ whichwill address the </b><b>((</b><b>non existent</b><b>)</b><b> need forlarger family homes in Sawyer Mill which is in Franklin SchoolDistrict of Warren Co. (so about 80% of the </b><b>property</b><b>tax go</b><b>es</b><b> to Franklin Schools).  And the </b><b>new </b><b>RyanHomes</b><b> being considered are of questionable quality for thefederally required specifications that were agreed to on the originalconstruction.  Lowering the standards for new const</b><b>r</b><b>uctionmay cause current residents to lose property value and/or considermoving away!  </b><b>That’s certainly counter productive, as usual. </b><b>Does the Planning Commission think that Ryan Homes will buildon speculation? If they expect Middletown to finance this endeavorwill city hall put us deeper in debt?  Moodys will be downgrading usagain if this involves </b><b>new</b><b> bonds.  </b><b>W</b><b>ecan’</b><b>t</b><b> </b><b>even </b><b>afford to pay our currentbills.</b></p><p align="left" style="margin-top: 0.04in; margin-bottom: 0.04in; line-height: 150%"><b>Anyway, we will not be attractive in the real estate market forold or new home </b><b>buyers</b><b> until we remedy the realproblems.</b></p><p align="left" style="margin-top: 0.04in; margin-bottom: 0.04in; line-height: 150%">Here’s an abbreviated version of the long list of problems andreasons why no one wants to live here:</p><p align="left" style="margin-top: 0.04in; margin-bottom: 0.04in; line-height: 150%">A short-sighted city hall caused the loss of our major contributorsto the tax base; such as AK Steel Corporate Offices andBlack-Clawson.  They didn’t appreciate what they had until it wasgone.  When the recession hit,  many of our industries moved away orsuccumbed to Middletown’s ‘tax and spend like there’s notomorrow’ policies.  No effort was made to prevent these losses. Instead of encouraging new business to move in, every possible roadblock imaginable was thrown in the way; things like stringent rulesfor facades, restricted parking location and restricted signage allresulted in prospective new business going some place where they wereactually welcomed.</p><p align="left" style="margin-top: 0.04in; margin-bottom: 0.04in; line-height: 150%">Jobs disappeared and people moved away to a better job market, whichadversely affected income tax revenue and devastated property taxrevenue for schools, which necessitated an additional school taxlevy.  Our schools’ academic rating dropped to one of the lowest inthe state because the city decided to spend the extra revenue tobuild new school houses instead of raise the quality of education.</p><p align="left" style="margin-top: 0.04in; margin-bottom: 0.04in; line-height: 150%">Even though we pay the higher taxes, city coffers were nearly emptiedby frivolous spending and giveaways of property to a favored few inthe downtown area.  That favored few had no money or expertise tofulfill their promise of rehabbing and/or establishing newbusinesses.  So, many of the downtown properties (some of which arebought back giveaways by the city) have been left to rot and becomeblight right under city hall’s nose.  Stinks, doesn’t it??</p><p align="left" style="margin-top: 0.04in; margin-bottom: 0.04in; line-height: 150%">Section 8 housing was sought after as the answer to the city’snearly bankrupt condition, which invited in our current low income,indigent, and drug addict population, which resulted in more peopleexiting Middletown to escape the thievery and violence that ensued.</p><p align="left" style="margin-top: 0.04in; margin-bottom: 0.04in; line-height: 150%"><b>This brief list doesn’t tell all of the city’s problems!  Buta</b><b>ddressing and solving </b><b>at least some</b><b> of our REALproblems will improve Middletown’s reputatio</b><b>n</b><b> </b><b>whichwill improve</b><b> our </b><b>ability to attract a better</b><b>demographic; </b><b>and the new populace can </b><b>THEN</b><b>determine what housing they need.</b></p><p align="left" style="margin-top: 0.04in; margin-bottom: 0.04in; line-height: 150%"><b>HOUSING ISN’T </b><b>A</b><b> PROBLEM, IT’S </b><b>A</b><b>SYMPTOM!!</b></p>]]>
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