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   <title>Downtown City Deals: Thanks Taxpayers! : IF I could, I&amp;#039;d like to interject...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1732">buddhalite</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6657<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;07&nbsp;2018 at 10:13pm<br /><br />IF I could, I'd like to interject something here....<div><br></div><div>Our charter (as it currently sits) gives Adkins all the power and council member none.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>According to our charter a council member is nothing more than a yes or no - they are FORBIDDEN from the charter by interfering in ANY way in ANY city department.</div><div><br></div><div>I agree - our councilpersons should be better about the whole asking questions thing and should be getting us more information - but the only person with real power in the entire city is Adkins (the Manager) and it's a shame.</div><div><br></div><div>I agree with Matt - there's a serious issue there - and we seem to just continually bungle it and already poured a few million down that hole - but Adkins has even told his councilpersons (and I heard him say it out loud to me and another councilperson) that every single vote of theres is nothing more than whether or not they want him as city manager.</div><div><br></div><div>He's bullied them and he's frightened them - and he's got the charter backing him up on it.</div><div><br></div><div>We'll never survive as a city under this style of leadership.</div>]]>
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   <title>Downtown City Deals: Thanks Taxpayers! : Thanx for the update,MattProbably...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18">spiderjohn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6657<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;07&nbsp;2018 at 5:27pm<br /><br />Thanx for the update,Matt<br />Probably the most important issue facing us]]>
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   <title>Downtown City Deals: Thanks Taxpayers! : Useless as it is, I offer this...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1715">MattR</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6657<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;07&nbsp;2018 at 2:40pm<br /><br />Useless as it is, I offer this for no other reason than that my silence could be taken for approval.<div>At the 2-6-18 council meeting a contract was awarded for the drawing up of a plan to work on a contamination plume in the city wellfield area.</div><div>A clean-up which has been bungled by the city for 14 years.</div><div>A contamination plume which not only threatens the drinking water but has stretched into residential areas.</div><div>A effort which has consumed close to $2M to no positive effect.</div><div><br></div><div>No questions from council. &nbsp;No real information for the public. &nbsp;</div><div>Not even the sound of crickets, middiemom; probably because they've all been poisoned.</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2018 14:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Downtown City Deals: Thanks Taxpayers! :  Spider -Over the past nearly...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1671">Analytical</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6657<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;07&nbsp;2018 at 1:12pm<br /><br /><b>Spider -</b><div><br></div><div>Over the past nearly nine years, more than <font color="#ff0000"><b>$18,000,000</b></font> in funds have been spent for "highly questionable downtown deals" and for an older neighborhoods scattered residential blitzkrieg by Mr. Adkins with city council member support. Now, with greatly diminished funds available <font color="#ff0000"><b>(UDAG, Downtown Fund, Etc.)</b></font> and no HUD give-away's <b><font color="#ff0000">(NSP)</font></b> in sight, where's the necessary capital available to complete lingering central city projects and to rebuild the added mess foisted upon the residents of the former second ward?&nbsp; This, above all, is the pertinent question for Mr. Adkins to elaborate.</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2018 13:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Downtown City Deals: Thanks Taxpayers! : Come on&#226;&#8364;&#8221;-we hardly need repetition...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18">spiderjohn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6657<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;07&nbsp;2018 at 10:13am<br /><br />Come on—-we hardly need repetition of how everyone thinks.<br />  We need new inclusive constructive thinking<br />Most agree that a lot of bad choices have been made and it is time to learn from them and move on.<br /><br />Middiemom, m29 etc are absolutely entitled to think however they choose also.<br />Would be interesting to all sit down face to face to share NEW thinking—meeting someone usually softens the tone and creates a better level of understanding + common ground. For some reason this concept seems foreign locally, though it seems to work everywhere else]]>
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   <title>Downtown City Deals: Thanks Taxpayers! : We are still waiting middiemom....</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6657<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;07&nbsp;2018 at 8:21am<br /><br />We are still waiting middiemom. You have an opportunity to defend your "knights in shining armor" here. Will you elaborate on why your friends in city government deserve our support? <br /><br />No response makes it appear as if you are just agitating the troops on this site. <br /><br />Your choice.]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2018 08:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Downtown City Deals: Thanks Taxpayers! : Ok middiemom, let&amp;#039;s try a...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6657<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;31&nbsp;2018 at 7:04pm<br /><br />Ok middiemom, let's try a different, non-combative approach to this. <br /><br />Some questions for you. I am interested in your responses.<br /><br />1. What do you like about this city government as to how they operate this city? What would you like to see changed as to their direction for this city?<br /><br />2. Do you think council is doing a good job and on target as to their decisions with each council meeting? Do you think they have any shortcomings and if so, what are they?<br /><br />3. Are you willing to accept some of the posts on this forum as actual facts and if not, why not? Is it what Nelson and others offer as data or the way we present it?<br /><br />4. In your responses to most of the information posted here, you seem to attack the individual posting rather than the content of the post. We all have been criticized by the pro-city participants and have been accused of being negative toward the city but we rarely see any information along with the criticism to show we were wrong. Tell us why we shouldn't be so negative and why the city is not as bad as we think it is.  Would you be willing to offer your side of the opinion in your posts as well? Tell the anti-city posters where they are wrong in their assessment of the city operation. It would help us understand why you always take the city's side in these discussions. <br /><br />Thank you in advance for any response you wish to provide. ]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2018 19:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Downtown City Deals: Thanks Taxpayers! : MiddleMom -Despite what you say,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1671">Analytical</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6657<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;31&nbsp;2018 at 11:07am<br /><br /><b>MiddleMom -</b><div><br></div><div>Despite what you say, the facts don't lie!&nbsp; And, you've never been able to provide information otherwise!</div><div><br></div><div>Middletown has had multi-millions in capital resources necessary to reverse the continuing decline in the "downtown" and older residential areas over the past nearly nine years.&nbsp; But, what has resulted?</div><div><br></div><div>There are several noteworthy MUSA participants who choose not to post any longer.&nbsp; Why is this?&nbsp; First, in the words of Vivian Moon, there's a feeling of hopelessness until such time as new, independent city council members are elected.&nbsp; Her sentiments have been articulated many times by Buddhalite since he began posting last May.&nbsp; Others like What A City express their concerns on the MJ reader comments, but no longer here.&nbsp; Active mebers like Whistlersmom and Acclaro are sorely missed&nbsp; Yes, there is apathy on the part of most blog participants and the pubic as a whole.</div><div><br></div><div>It's your prerogative to unilaterally support Mr. Adkins.&nbsp; That is your right.&nbsp; However, it is also the right of others to present what they feel are more cost-effective and productive solutions to Middletown's lingering deficiencies.</div><div><br></div><div>I welcome any "documented" rebuttal to posts that I share.&nbsp; Again, the facts don't lie!</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2018 11:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Downtown City Deals: Thanks Taxpayers! : Nelson never fails to prove my...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1568">middiemom</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6657<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;31&nbsp;2018 at 10:35am<br /><br />Nelson never fails to prove my point. Twelve replies on this thread and nine are from him. Check the other threads, same thing. I could go on a three week hiatus and come back to three new threads created by you with them dominated by your posts. Have you tried stamp collecting, yoga or something like that? It has to be way more relaxing than this.  You really need a new hobby. ]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2018 10:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Downtown City Deals: Thanks Taxpayers! :   It&amp;#039;s alleged that one...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1671">Analytical</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6657<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;31&nbsp;2018 at 10:11am<br /><br /><font size="2">It's alleged that one city council member, plus the actual comments of a REALTOR member of Downtown Middletown, Inc., reported that Mr. Adkins is about to <font color="#ff0000"><b>"apply some heat"</b></font> to Willam Grau, owner of the former Manchester Inn and Snider Building.&nbsp; As you'll sadly recall, these two prominent "downtown" properties were sold by the city to Mr. Grau a growing number of years ago for the whopping sum of <b><font color="#ff0000">$1.00 apiece</font></b>.</font><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2">According to Vivian Moon, who previously obtained a copy of the purchase and sales agreement for these properties, the <b><font color="#ff0000">NOVICE</font></b> city staff mostly failed to include <b><font color="#ff0000">any performance or reversionary clauses in this <u>amateurish</u> <u>document</u></font></b>.&nbsp; As a result, the city has <b><font color="#ff0000">little to no legal recourse</font></b> regarding Mr. Grau's lack of project performance.&nbsp; Also noted herewith is Mr. Grau's <font color="#ff0000"><b>"stick it in your face"</b></font>&nbsp;attitude about paying Butler County property taxes.</font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2">Regardless of what city shills like MiddleMom, etc. may spew about me, the facts don't lie.&nbsp; All one has to do is consider the sizable city investment of land give-aways, multiple hours of staff time and cash subsidies, tax abatements, etc. on their "downtown deals" versus the <b><font color="#ff0000">actual economic betterment</font></b> of the city.&nbsp; Unless some unexpected developments occur during this year, city staff deserves an<b><font color="#ff0000"> "F" grade</font></b> in this instance.&nbsp; And, city council deserves <b><font color="#ff0000">public censure</font></b> for failing to provide any form of oversight for the public on these "failing deals".</font></div>]]>
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