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Middletown Forum : Great Miami River Bike Path Flooding?? http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : About Middletown : Great Miami River Bike Path Flooding?? Mon, 05 Oct 2026 16:35:42 +0000 Wed, 02 May 2018 16:13:57 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.12 360 www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=6708 Middletown Forum http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ Great Miami River Bike Path Flooding?? : Ok, an article in the Journal... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6708&PID=50048&title=great-miami-river-bike-path-flooding#50048 Author: VietVet
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Posted: May 02 2018 at 4:13pm

Ok, an article in the Journal today about the bike path building they are now constructing by Bicentennial Commons and the AK Pavilion.

Seems the lady in the article seems to think this is going to be a major draw for the river front with 80 miles of continuous bike path usage in the Middletown/Franklin area.

Yep, according to Adkins and this spokesperson for the Metro parks, this will be the real deal as to making the riverfront a major attraction for the downtown area. (This is riverfront development effort number two. Number one was the Bicentennial Commons, the AK Pavilion and the failed Lake Middletown, all of which have been used sparingly to say the least the last decade or two)

Wish them luck on that. Still wondering just how many will benefit who will be the potential users of this facility. (How many bike riders and path walkers are there when compared to the overall population of the area? If a small number, is all of this really worth the effort?)

OR.....will it eventually become an eyesore where no one goes because the prostitutes and drug users will use it as their haven, negating the positive vibe for which is was intended.....

Time will tell for all of us whether this will be a success or just another white elephant for the city. We will be watching Mr. Adkins and company.]]> Wed, 02 May 2018 16:13:57 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6708&PID=50048&title=great-miami-river-bike-path-flooding#50048 Great Miami River Bike Path Flooding?? : See wwwapp.epa.ohio.gov/dsw/maps/cso/index.php... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6708&PID=49886&title=great-miami-river-bike-path-flooding#49886 Author: MattR
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Posted: Mar 10 2018 at 3:28pm

See wwwapp.epa.ohio.gov/dsw/maps/cso/index.php even.]]> Sat, 10 Mar 2018 15:28:55 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6708&PID=49886&title=great-miami-river-bike-path-flooding#49886 Great Miami River Bike Path Flooding?? : The canal is one of the combined... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6708&PID=49885&title=great-miami-river-bike-path-flooding#49885 Author: MattR
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Posted: Mar 09 2018 at 7:38pm

The canal is one of the combined sewer outfalls in the city. Sanitary sewage is combined with stormwater at that point. The paper plant is the primary contributor. A complicating factor is the damage that was done to the point where the canal flows into the river by the dredging that was done by the city, causing the canal to stagnate at that point. Your tax dollars at work.]]> Fri, 09 Mar 2018 19:38:47 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6708&PID=49885&title=great-miami-river-bike-path-flooding#49885 Great Miami River Bike Path Flooding?? : itsamee:"I know that the... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6708&PID=49881&title=great-miami-river-bike-path-flooding#49881 Author: VietVet
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Posted: Mar 09 2018 at 2:08pm

itsamee:

"I know that the county is building that new nature center by the Pavilion. I think that will be a great addition as the one thing the path is missing are bathrooms and water fountains. I think that will help the athletes a lot more, along with some of the Butler County programs the parks system often has."

And I can respect your "glass is half full" response here. I hope you are correct. My "glass is half empty" approach tells me that within a short time after the Pavilion is built and operational, we will be reading in the Journal where the police are now stationing an officer at this location to monitor and arrest the prostitutes, drug users and other potential criminals that will eventually migrate to the Pavilion. Historically, we read articles about crime in the downtown area which includes the riverfront. I predict, in time, we will be reading police reports concerning this location. It will present a perfect hunting ground for the criminal elements listed above.

As to the discussion concerning the water basin proposal at Sunset Park, my first thoughts centered around the removal and fill of the swimming pool there. I find it a tad bit humorous that they filled in the pool and now are proposing digging another hole in proximity to where the pool was. So the folks around Sunset lost a swimming pool but are gaining a retention basin for water runoff. Wonder if they think that is a fair trade off.

Wonder which properties surrounding the park will have the pleasure of having this basin in their front yard? Wonder if it will be on the Bellemonte end, Milton end or the Kenwood end of the park. (Not sure on Kenwood here) Why not place the basin on the old Roosevelt school land by the old track and tennis courts and leave the park undisturbed? .....or is that land too high in elevation for that? What else would the old school site be used for?]]> Fri, 09 Mar 2018 14:08:41 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6708&PID=49881&title=great-miami-river-bike-path-flooding#49881 Great Miami River Bike Path Flooding?? : Matt,What are you even talking... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6708&PID=49879&title=great-miami-river-bike-path-flooding#49879 Author: itsamee
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Posted: Mar 09 2018 at 11:49am

Matt,

What are you even talking about? The smell down there is from the paper plant, first and foremost. I have run the entirety of that path many, many times. The only smell I have ever come across was from the paper plant.

]]> Fri, 09 Mar 2018 11:49:08 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6708&PID=49879&title=great-miami-river-bike-path-flooding#49879 Great Miami River Bike Path Flooding?? : Buddah,Hamilton and Miamisburg... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6708&PID=49878&title=great-miami-river-bike-path-flooding#49878 Author: itsamee
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Posted: Mar 09 2018 at 11:48am

Buddah,

Hamilton and Miamisburg are both hard to get to. Miamisburg is about like Middletown, except you can make a right turn and hit their malls. But if you want the old down town, its 10 minutes to the left. Hamilton is even less accessible. They just got lucky they are the county seat and could get 129 to allow access.

I think, and I am not trying to defend those in charge now vs. the ones that were before I got here, you will see a lot less of what happened with the outlet malls. I still think that what it is becoming over there is a good thing and it should continue to move that direction. The downtown is what it is. It should continue to move that way. There is no way you are going to attract a large company there who will put their headquarters down there, or a large manufacturing plant. Those ideas are dead. The city needs to focus on economic growth by the highway and keep turing the downtown into the social destination it is. If we could get some larger events to happen (like the Turkey Trot in Miamisburg) down there, it would be pretty sweet.

]]> Fri, 09 Mar 2018 11:48:06 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6708&PID=49878&title=great-miami-river-bike-path-flooding#49878 Great Miami River Bike Path Flooding?? : The bike path pavilion is next... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6708&PID=49875&title=great-miami-river-bike-path-flooding#49875 Author: MattR
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Posted: Mar 08 2018 at 7:20pm

The bike path pavilion is next to one of the combined sewer outfalls. Thanks to city hall you will be enjoying the festering stench while at the pavilion for years to come. Remember; its a win-win.]]> Thu, 08 Mar 2018 19:20:59 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6708&PID=49875&title=great-miami-river-bike-path-flooding#49875 Great Miami River Bike Path Flooding?? : Itsamee,Look, I don't necessarily... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6708&PID=49874&title=great-miami-river-bike-path-flooding#49874 Author: buddhalite
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Posted: Mar 08 2018 at 6:39pm

Itsamee,

Look, I don't necessarily disagree - but Miamisburg isn't hard to access. Get off 75 - turn left and you don't have to go through 200 empty run-down windows cracked storefronts and a decrepit about to fall over theater to get there.

Hamilton - well, take Route 4 or the Highway to nowhere and you have mainstream 4 lane access in all directions to Hamiltucky.

Middletown - however - doesn't have the same downtown accessibility. Years ago I heard someone who is in Heaven now say the following: "I told all them turkeys (city leaders, council, etc.) that if they don't let that highway come through downtown (I-75) they wouldn't live to regret it - but their GRANDKIDS will RUE THE DAY!"

How prescient he was.

You are correct - the I-75 corridor is great for the city - but when zoning commissions allow grafting and pressure from big money/hospitals/etc. to kill projects - you can bet that even that growth will skip right over us and go on to Franklin (who by the way doesn't know the word NO) and we'll lose out once again.

Remember those outlets? Where were they going to be built? We resist and resist - and we make prime commercial real estate at the interstate into RESIDENTIAL lots! Not exactly business friendly. We need to make it all commercial, develop the snot out of it before we lose the ability to do so.

]]> Thu, 08 Mar 2018 18:39:51 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6708&PID=49874&title=great-miami-river-bike-path-flooding#49874 Great Miami River Bike Path Flooding?? : Buddah,Yea, I don't think... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6708&PID=49872&title=great-miami-river-bike-path-flooding#49872 Author: itsamee
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Posted: Mar 08 2018 at 4:17pm

Buddah,

Yea, I don't think a 35 degree day will give you the best day to see how a bike path is doing. In addition, while the parking by the paper plant may have some cars, other areas tend to be more active.

As far as the downtown goes, I think we have to let bygones be bygones. I think it is wise for the downtown to continue on its trajectory towards being more like Miamisburg. Just a place where "stuff" happens. Breweries, galleries, places to eat, etc. The real attraction is by the highway where you see REAL development. AK Steel, Atrium, Kettering and all that. Why? Because 75 is easier to access. At some point they are going to run out of room between Liberty and Austin Landing and that means more development from Monroe to Middletown to Franklin. What do you do with all the old infrastructure? Demo it or use it.

Miamisburg and Hamilton get this and they have kept their small cities thriving, and downtown Middletown has jumped on this as well. When I moved here a decade ago there was NOTHING down there. Not a thing. I take that back, there was a Cricket wireless store. Then all these people moved in and started making things happen. I am all for it. That downtown is never going to be the hub of anything except socializing. It will be a place where you go to eat, buy a bike, or walk around. Why not? It's better than it was when I moved in.

]]> Thu, 08 Mar 2018 16:17:33 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6708&PID=49872&title=great-miami-river-bike-path-flooding#49872 Great Miami River Bike Path Flooding?? : FWIW - I was just down there.... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6708&PID=49869&title=great-miami-river-bike-path-flooding#49869 Author: buddhalite
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Posted: Mar 08 2018 at 1:51pm

FWIW - I was just down there. Zip, zero, nada. Granted it's cold and lightly snowing - but there was nothing happening.

I'm with VietVet on this one - is this really worth the money we've funnelled into it over these many years?

Even if 500 people used it everyday - would it still be worth it?

I'm more convinced everyday that 300 people (the ones on S main in the big houses) are the only people interested in pretty much anything going on downtown. It's time to stop the bleeding and let a sleeping dog lie.

Jobs are the key - and this ain't field of dreams.

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