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   <title>City Council Meeting 12-16-08 : My favorite Vet post. Let your...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18">spiderjohn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 781<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;23&nbsp;2008 at 6:42am<br /><br />My favorite Vet post.<DIV>Let your imagination flow.</DIV><DIV>Beautiful!</DIV>]]>
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   <title>City Council Meeting 12-16-08 : You bet Pacman- Laurel and Hardy,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 781<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;22&nbsp;2008 at 9:29pm<br /><br />You bet Pacman- Laurel and Hardy, the Three Stooges, the Marx Brothers films- all great comedy and slapstick. Can't you just see a skit by the Stooges and this Council as the scene with the slapping, hand gestures, eye pokes and lines like "I'm as pure as the fresh driven snow" (Curley) followed by "But you drifted" (Moe) and a head slap? I could just see this Council getting into it about Section 8 and Mulligan standing up and poking Marconi in the eye with Marconi blocking it and looking at the camera and giving the Curley response, nauk nauk, nauk. How about a little Laurel/Hardy action with Becker saying to Schiavone- " well, this is another fine mess you've gotten us into" and Schiavone starting to cry ala Stanley- and watching it all on TV Middletown! Now that would be more entertaining than this Council has been in a long time!  <img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="middle" />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="middle" />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> I think the Three Stooges episode of Disorder in the Court would work for Council.<br /><br />12/23- Alright, just thought of another Three Stooges/Council analogy. How about the episode where the Stooges are plumbers and Curley has the pipes in the bathtub going all over the place, in every direction except the direction the pipes are suppose to be going in.They end up crashing through the floor falling to the basement due to water buildup. Kind of reminds you of the way Council solves problems doesn't it?]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>City Council Meeting 12-16-08 : Hey Vet I guess the Middletown...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 781<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;22&nbsp;2008 at 4:55pm<br /><br />Hey Vet I guess the Middletown Council Meeting must not be a top 10 show I think you and I are the only ones watching it.....maybe we should just cancel it and bring back The Three Stooges and Laurel &amp; Hardy.&nbsp; Now they were worth watching and good for a chuckle or two.<img src="http://middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="LOL" /><img src="http://middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" height="17" width="18" border="0" alt="Clap" /><img src="http://middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Big%20smile" /> ]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>City Council Meeting 12-16-08 : I find it ironic that the Council...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 781<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;22&nbsp;2008 at 9:18am<br /><br />I find it ironic that the Council can not clear up the Section 8 mess and we are headed into another extenstion if CONSOC agrees and 18 months of inaction. <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Yet we get a new City manager who looks at the situation and can make a decision in a reasonable amount of time.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Then we have have a City paid Consultant who comes to the same conclusion as the City Manage in short order.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Where is Council, it nixes both the City Managers&nbsp;and Consultants recommendation of moving Section 8 to Butler County&nbsp;and is&nbsp;still warming up in the Batters Circle waiting to strike out.................<img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Angry" /></DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>City Council Meeting 12-16-08 : I watched the Dec 16th Council...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 781<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;22&nbsp;2008 at 8:22am<br /><br />I watched the Dec 16th Council meeting on TV Middletown again last night.Just some observations- I wanted to pull the words out of Marconi's mouth as he seemed to be stuck on the words "you know" "you know" many times and seemed to thrive on creating controversy. He sure likes to hear himself talk doesn't he? How ironic that Council is always concerned about a citizen going on and on and sayin nothing, but Mulligan just sat there next to Marconi and looked at him in awe, while Scott-Jones sat on the other side with a look of total shock at the Marconi barrage of "nothingness" being spewed. Armbruster said he didn't feel good but when he does "feel good", he really isn't a difference maker. Ford had alot of "uhhs". Becker gave his best impression of a drill instructor when speaking but asked one key question- "where are we headed with Section 8?" Good question. No answers or responses, but a good question. Lastly, Schiavone. He was cool, smug and sat rather quiet during the Marconi barrage and others commenting. It was a scene of total confusion and subdued infighting as to next steps. Gilleland sat back and interjected occasionally to make suggestions and to seemingly baby sit the kids behind the Council desk. Looked like a day care employee taking care of unruly kids. THEN, the amendments and approval portion of the meeting came and all were rubber stamped with "yes" comments with narry a question being asked. God help us Tiny Tim!]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>City Council Meeting 12-16-08 : MadisonMom, we are in this Section...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 781<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;21&nbsp;2008 at 9:21am<br /><br />MadisonMom, we are in this Section 8 mess due to Council, City Employees, etc.&nbsp; Now in my opinion to have a Committee that is solely made up Section 8 Landlords, City Employees and CDBG members is leaving out a very large part of the Community that is directly impacted by the overabundance of Section 8 in Middletown.&nbsp; There is no one from the business community, no one from the BOE or Education System, no one represent ling the Citizens of Middletown.&nbsp; Section 8 Landlords they have one issue the continuance of the program as is, City employees who may have part of their salaries paid by the funds from the Federal Government for the Section 8 program&nbsp;also have a conflict of Interest, the CBDG I take it has to do with grants from the state and the federal government.&nbsp; <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>One thing that really disturbs me when the Council discusses the Section 8 issue is that pretty much 100% of the talk is about the impact on Section landlords which I will guess represents maybe 200-300 people is could be less.&nbsp; The one landlord I talked to, suffice it to say he has more section 8&nbsp;houses than McCain has houses.&nbsp; Then they talk mostly about the impact on the&nbsp;Section 8 recipients.&nbsp; They do not mention the impact on the city, its residents, it businesses, etc.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Mr. Becker has on several occasions tried to steer the conversation to "what do we want to do with this program", but each time he has been shut down.&nbsp; At the beginning of each discussion we get the old, "we are not here to talk about the merits of Section 8".&nbsp; Which personally I don't get.&nbsp; It would seem to me you layout the parameters of the program prior to possibly hiring a new company under the pretense of having 1662 vouchers and then decide to cut the vouches to a more reasonable level.&nbsp; To me th approach council is taking lends itself to hire a company to deal with it and then the program gets shoved onto a shelf and forgotten for another 3 years and the city continues to suffer.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Personally I don't think anyone of council is profiting from Section 8 housing.&nbsp; I believe Marconi stated on another board that at one time he had been involved with Section 8 housing but was out of it currently.&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Another matter that disturbs me is councils reasoning for maintaining an excessive amount of Section 8 as compared to any other area in Ohio.&nbsp; The city has 1 voucher for every 31&nbsp;&nbsp;residents.&nbsp; To put that in perspective for Butler County to catch up to Middletown they would need approximately 11300 Vouchers, whereas they currently have less than 1000.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Mr. Schiavone says we need to keep the program due to the economy and the foreclosure situation.&nbsp; Now let me ask anyone reading this.&nbsp; The city has 1662 vouchers all in use, they have a waiting list of 500 people, according to Marconi.&nbsp; If you lose your house is your first action going to be to go and try and get on the Section 8 housing list.&nbsp; Even at 1 voucher a day turn over rate it would take you a year and a half to make it to the top of the list.&nbsp; This argument holds no water.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Then we get the, "we have to remember who we are" a "steel town" from several members.&nbsp; As if it is some type of disease and the City and its residents and businesses&nbsp;don't deserve any better.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Then we have the issue of this taking 18 months to try and resolve, I am sorry but this is not an 18 month issue.&nbsp; This is at the most a 4-6 months and we are done with it.&nbsp; But council continues to drag it out with little to no action on the matter.&nbsp; Last weeks meeting is a prime example of what is wrong with council.&nbsp; Committee makes recommendation and some council members get upset and the issue gets dragged out even longer.&nbsp; Mr. Marconi it was a recommendation by a Committee that Council appointed.&nbsp; You don't like the finding fine don't approve it, but move on.&nbsp; To sit there for 20-30 and go on and on about Consoc etc. is ridicules.&nbsp; </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>There are 49000 other residents in this City who deserve better leadership&nbsp;than what we are getting on this issue, but unfortunately it appears that 49000 other residents don't matter.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>This will eventually get voted on in the future and then shelved for another 3 years and Middletown will probably move on down to the # 5-7 slot in a year or so.&nbsp; As far as the poverty issue goes that Forbes brought up.&nbsp; Lets 1662 section 8 vouchers, 500 on a Section 8 waiting list, Marconi's claim of 400 or so Public Housing units, lets say 200 on that waiting list.&nbsp; Lets see we have about 2800 families/persons.&nbsp; Lets say 3 people per voucher that is 8400 residents.&nbsp; Now Forbes claimed about 11200 residents living in poverty, well there are about 8400 right there, 2800 short of Forbes number.&nbsp; I don't think it will be to hard to get to Forbes 11200 or 22% in poverty&nbsp;in Middletown currently or even back in 2007.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <title>City Council Meeting 12-16-08 : MadisonMom: Haven&amp;#039;t you...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 781<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;19&nbsp;2008 at 10:08am<br /><br />MadisonMom:<DIV>Haven't you heard???&nbsp; Middletown city hall does NOT recognize the universally accepted meanings of "conflict of interest"!!!</DIV>]]>
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   <title>City Council Meeting 12-16-08 : to VietVet...  So I take it this...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=199">MadisonMom</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 781<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;19&nbsp;2008 at 8:43am<br /><br />to VietVet...<br /><br />So I take it this is legal?  What about conflict of interest?  Madison Township just went thru conflict of interest.  I never could get a straight answer out of anyone.]]>
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   <title>City Council Meeting 12-16-08 : MM- How do we get an answer to...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 781<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;19&nbsp;2008 at 6:38am<br /><br />MM- How do we get an answer to the question of identifying individuals making money off of Section 8? IF THE INFO. WAS AVAILABLE (which I doubt)- acquire a list of all Section 8 property addresses in Middletown. Next, go to the Butler County Auditor's page and call up the property listings which give the owners name. Unless the info. has been laundered to protect the actual owner from being identified, we would know who, if any, "influential" people own these properties and whether they are actual Council members or tied in some way to decision influencing leaders in town. If it proves out to be true- ie- that Council members own or are connected with Section 8, we would know that they are making money off of the program and by approving the overwhelming amount of Section 8 for this town, would also tell us that there is a conflict of interest by their approval. Then, after asking for an explanation, we should throw them off of Council, never to return.]]>
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   <title>City Council Meeting 12-16-08 : To Pacman.......So who should...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=199">MadisonMom</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 781<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;18&nbsp;2008 at 10:29pm<br /><br />To Pacman.......So who should be on the Housing Sub-Committee?<br /><br />To VietVet.......How can we get an answer to the "reluctance of an important person making money off Section 8" question above?<br /><br />I believe these are valid points to make.  ]]>
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