Middletown Forum : The Middletown I75 Cloverleaf Project http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : Economic Development : The Middletown I75 Cloverleaf Project Mon, 05 Oct 2026 21:45:33 +0000 Sun, 04 Jan 2009 22:38:33 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.12 360 www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=830 Middletown Forum http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ The Middletown I75 Cloverleaf Project : Okay, so that just makes me want... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=830&PID=3560&title=the-middletown-i75-cloverleaf-project#3560 Author: MadisonMom
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Posted: Jan 04 2009 at 10:38pm

Okay, so that just makes me want to go to Waffle House for lunch tomorrow. Just like 56 degrees is not serving lunch now Mon-Fri. We went to get lunch friday and now they don't open until 4p.m.

Did they get bought by who ever is taking this project on? Or are they just closing? What gives? They can't say they don't have the business, because they do.

Pretty soon, no one will even bother to take the 122 Northbound exit to Middletown. With 73 & 123 up the road, they have lots more options. ]]> Sun, 04 Jan 2009 22:38:33 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=830&PID=3560&title=the-middletown-i75-cloverleaf-project#3560 The Middletown I75 Cloverleaf Project : We are now officifully at the... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=830&PID=3558&title=the-middletown-i75-cloverleaf-project#3558 Author: Smartman
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Posted: Jan 04 2009 at 8:17pm

We are now officifully at the bottom of the barrel. I sometimes stop at Waffle House on Sundays on my way to work for breakfast. I was informed today that they will be closed for good starting on Tuesday. I asked if they were going to rebuild and was told no. I guess we are in such bad shape that even Waffle House is done with Middletown!

]]> Sun, 04 Jan 2009 20:17:21 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=830&PID=3558&title=the-middletown-i75-cloverleaf-project#3558 The Middletown I75 Cloverleaf Project : The rest of the mall will probably... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=830&PID=3556&title=the-middletown-i75-cloverleaf-project#3556 Author: Pacman
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Posted: Jan 04 2009 at 3:09pm

The rest of the mall will probably close leaving only the 2 major anchors standing Elder Beerman and Sears.  Although I heard rumors a while ago that Elder was leaving soon also.]]> Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:09:34 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=830&PID=3556&title=the-middletown-i75-cloverleaf-project#3556 The Middletown I75 Cloverleaf Project : spiderjohn wrote: With the... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=830&PID=3554&title=the-middletown-i75-cloverleaf-project#3554 Author: Mike_Presta
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Posted: Jan 04 2009 at 1:57pm

Originally posted by spiderjohn spiderjohn wrote:

With the current Town Mall eyesore going nowhere and beyond, the East End is beginning to resemble a bigger mess than the rest of the city.
 
 
If one keeps doing the same things over and over, one keeps obtaining the same RESULTS over and over.
 
Downtown they keep trying to turn the clock back to the late 1800s.
 
Wasn't the Renaissance the period during the 14th thru 17th centuries ± ???  Perhaps the "water feature" will be a MOAT with a DRAWBRIDGE that the local aristocracy can ride their velocipedes across after their olde tyme baseball games.  Disapprove
 
 
]]> Sun, 04 Jan 2009 13:57:09 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=830&PID=3554&title=the-middletown-i75-cloverleaf-project#3554 The Middletown I75 Cloverleaf Project : great thread! thanks to Mike... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=830&PID=3550&title=the-middletown-i75-cloverleaf-project#3550 Author: spiderjohn
Subject: 830
Posted: Jan 04 2009 at 11:23am

great thread!
 
thanks to Mike and pacman for the research.
none of this ever made sense from the beginning, and no one has been happy with it.
Why was BP closed so long before any planned construction activity?
A huge cloverleaf now, without any service stations?
Elimination of a moderately successful business strip way b4 necessary.
All to support the whim of the Atrium?
McNeil and Koehler scheming together should scare everyone.
 
Wow--another water park?
Maybe add that to all of those planned bus tours to Beau Verre and downtown to enjoy the retro amemities.
 
With the current Town Mall eyesore going nowhere and beyond, the East End is beginning to resemble a bigger mess than the rest of the city.
 
Maybe Planning needs to make an overall presentation of their vision sometime soon!
 
Oh yeah--just where is Economic Development and our new staff person?
]]> Sun, 04 Jan 2009 11:23:47 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=830&PID=3550&title=the-middletown-i75-cloverleaf-project#3550 The Middletown I75 Cloverleaf Project : Thanks for all the info ! Having... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=830&PID=3548&title=the-middletown-i75-cloverleaf-project#3548 Author: arwendt
Subject: 830
Posted: Jan 04 2009 at 10:55am

Thanks for all the info !

Having just scanned thorough this really quick here is what I see:
 
Mike Presta - "the plan is to make everyone plant trees so that there will be NO SIGNS of any enterprise " Very Funny !
 
Pac Man - Thanks for the link to the PDF http://www.ci.middletown.oh.us/docs/ed/ee_chap5.pdf
And Ohhhh a Water Feature !  Nice. BUT IT'S NOT A CLOVERLEAF .. WHAT THE HECK ?
 
VieVet - It was Sam A. The BP owner who first told me of the plan I would say over a year ago. Which really makes me wonder if this could be done any slower.
 
Madison Mom & VieVet - If only someday the dive to the east side of I75 could be as enjoyable as crossing the West Middletown Bridge at 5:00 on a workday, with a train on the tracks, and the gate going up and down for no reason, I think then we could call the project a success.
]]> Sun, 04 Jan 2009 10:55:40 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=830&PID=3548&title=the-middletown-i75-cloverleaf-project#3548 The Middletown I75 Cloverleaf Project : Oh boy- the Army Corps Of Engineers,... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=830&PID=3546&title=the-middletown-i75-cloverleaf-project#3546 Author: VietVet
Subject: 830
Posted: Jan 04 2009 at 10:10am

Oh boy- the Army Corps Of Engineers, ehh. As soon as you mentioned that I thought of the dealings the city had with the Engineers years ago with Lake Middletown. Somehow, some way, someone ok'd the dike to be removed without permission from the ACof E resulting in silt being allowed to flow into the Great Miami and a $350,000 fine for the city. Strange- we never found out who that "someone" was from the city. Perhaps we could see history repeating itself with this project. Wonder who the guilty party from the city will be this time???                  ]]> Sun, 04 Jan 2009 10:10:53 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=830&PID=3546&title=the-middletown-i75-cloverleaf-project#3546 The Middletown I75 Cloverleaf Project : Hey Mike can we say we are not... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=830&PID=3543&title=the-middletown-i75-cloverleaf-project#3543 Author: Pacman
Subject: 830
Posted: Jan 03 2009 at 10:13am

Hey Mike can we say we are not creating a Middletown East End, but in reality Koehler World.LOL ]]> Sat, 03 Jan 2009 10:13:54 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=830&PID=3543&title=the-middletown-i75-cloverleaf-project#3543 The Middletown I75 Cloverleaf Project : Pacman wrote:If you read this... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=830&PID=3542&title=the-middletown-i75-cloverleaf-project#3542 Author: Mike_Presta
Subject: 830
Posted: Jan 03 2009 at 10:07am

Originally posted by Pacman Pacman wrote:

If you read this .pdf and then look at the rest of Middletown it makes you wonder how Middletown can't even clean up its City yet it has put this many restrictions on building on such a small area in the East End.
 
 
If you want to read the whole plan go here:
 
 
Study these two documents and one can see exactly WHY Middletown is in the shape it is in!!!  Middletown's version of "business friendly" is to tell each and every potential business exactly what, how, where, and when they can do what MIDDLETOWN wants them to do, instead of helping them to easily do what THEY want to do.
 
Existing successful businesses of size already HAVE business plans and standards, based on the successes they have attained elsewhere--often at great cost in sweat and capital.  However, when they come to Middletown, city hall insists "we don't care how you do it everywhere else.  Here, you do it OUR way, or move on up or down the highway!!"
 
Also, we make everything as EXPENSIVE as possible for the new businesses, by mandating balconies (to enjoy the natural beauty), expensive landscaping (to HIDE the business from potential patrons), expensive but unecessary architectural details  (only OUR aristocrats know what good taste is).  Frankly, I can't see why any business person in their right mind would WANT to locate here under such conditions!!!  Middletown city hall does everything in their power to increase costs and insure FAILURE for any new business!!!
]]> Sat, 03 Jan 2009 10:07:03 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=830&PID=3542&title=the-middletown-i75-cloverleaf-project#3542 The Middletown I75 Cloverleaf Project : If you read this .pdf and then... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=830&PID=3541&title=the-middletown-i75-cloverleaf-project#3541 Author: Mike_Presta
Subject: 830
Posted: Jan 03 2009 at 9:29am

[QUOTE=Pacman]If you read this .pdf and then look at the rest of Middletown it makes you wonder how Middletown can't even clean up its City yet it has put this many restrictions on building on such a small area in the East End.
 
http://www.ci.middletown.oh.us/docs/ed/ee_chap6.pdf
 [/QUOTE]
 
The following is copied and pasted from the bottom of Chapter 6, page 2, of the above referenced document!  Kind of shows the caliber of "retention" that our folks at city hall have, if they put this in the design guidelines, and then decided to route the eastward eztension of Central Avenue smack dab down the middle of the NORTH BRANCH of DICKS CREEK:
 
"Preserve Riparian Corridors

The East End/Renaissance area has several quality riparian corridors that traverse the landscape. These corridors have mature, high quality vegetation, streams and creeks and have dramatic changes in elevation. The riparian corridors serve as the natural drainage system for the region. These corridors are a wonderful asset to the project area. Future development will take advantage of them, locating office buildings, restaurants and other appropriate uses to take advantage of corridor views.

The riparian corridors are regulated by the Army Corps of Engineers and the Ohio EPA. Any disruption of these corridors will require the standard permitting process associated with development activity that affects a regulated stream or creek."

Of course, what do I know, other than having had to deal with the Corps and several state (and the federal) EPAs on more projects than I can even recall at my advanced age.
 
It also is confusing exactly WHY they chose to OBLITERATE the North Branch of a "corridor having mature, high quality vegetation, streams and creeks and having dramatic changes in elevation...a riparian corridor serving as the natural drainage system for a region...a wonderful asset to the project area."  They even state that "Future development will take advantage of them, locating office buildings, restaurants and other appropriate uses to take advantage of corridor views"!!! 
 
WHY would they propose such a thing???
Perhaps someone should pop over to the County Recorder's web site and see who owns the land along that route???
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