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   <title>Why NOT CDBG money for infrastructure??? : Question why does it cost $167K...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 885<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;23&nbsp;2009 at 7:02am<br /><br />Question why does it cost $167K to run this program?&nbsp; Would it not be more cost effective to hire someone full time at half this price to oversee the management of this program and thus saving about $90k a year and using that money to tear down a few more abandoned buildings? Or are there other hidden costs involved?]]>
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   <title>Why NOT CDBG money for infrastructure??? : Thought for today.. &amp;#034;Never...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=115">Vivian Moon</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 885<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;23&nbsp;2009 at 6:47am<br /><br /><strong>Thought for today..<DIV><BR><EM>"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."&nbsp;<BR>Margaret Mead&nbsp;</EM></DIV></strong>]]>
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   <title>Why NOT CDBG money for infrastructure??? : Neighborhood Beautification -...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=115">Vivian Moon</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 885<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;23&nbsp;2009 at 6:23am<br /><br /><strong>Neighborhood Beautification</strong> - I can't speak for other areas of the City but I can speak for the change that happened at the Middletown Cemetery&nbsp;after the new sign, flag, plants and trees were added to the front of the cemetery. The crime problem went down and so did the trash. The neighbors stated watching over the cemetery and even brought me ice tea on&nbsp;hot summer days while I was digging in the dirt. <DIV>Demolition of abandoned or condemned structures needs to&nbsp;an impotant part of our City budget even if these areas become just an empty grassy area.<BR>We really do need to clean up our City.</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Why NOT CDBG money for infrastructure??? :  Mr. Haller, you ask: &#226;&#8364;&#339;What...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 885<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;22&nbsp;2009 at 4:47pm<br /><br /><SPAN lang=EN><P><FONT color=#0000ff><strong>Mr. Haller, you ask:</strong> “What motivation does the city have to not use CDBG money for street repairs?” </FONT></P><P>That is what I asked back a few years ago when this program had first gotten underway, and that is what I asked last Tuesday night! For some reason, that is also what no one was willing to address back then, and no one is eager to address now.</P><P>Just for your information, it is up to THE CITY to make A PLAN (which may be modified every year) as to how they want to use the money under this program. The parameters are quite wide, including: “to meet one of the following national objectives for the program: … prevention or elimination of slums or blight, or address community development needs having a particular urgency because existing conditions pose a serious and immediate threat to the health or welfare of the community for which other funding is not available.”</P><P>Our streets, and the combined sewer system, are certainly “blights” on our community and a barrier to “community development”, as is the condition of some of our firehouses. In addition, the condition of at least one firehouse is a “threat to health and welfare”. We have no other funding available (unless it is “tucked away in some of our other accounts.”). </P><P>It only becomes “disallowed” to use the CBDG funds for such items IF the “PLAN” that WE submit (or OUR yearly revision) does NOT include these things!!!</P><P>**************************</P><DIV><FONT color=#0000ff><strong>Then you ask:</strong> “Are they collecting CDBG money currently for anything else?”</FONT> </DIV><P>Yes!&nbsp;&nbsp;Throughout the life of OUR plan the following have been included among what we asked for and received: Neighborhood beautification; purchase of foreclosed homes at auction and the rehab and resale of same; downtown facades and similar items; updating and repair of homes in blighted neighborhoods (and I believe this has included homes on SOUTH MAIN STREET, although I am unsure exactly which ones); demolition of abandoned or condemned structures; home ownership programs for residents who might otherwise not qualify; and the like.</P><P>You can see what this year’s planned expenditures are by watching the 1/20/2009 council meeting here: </SPAN><a href="http://tvmiddletown.blip.tv/" target="_blank"><U><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN lang=EN>http://tvmiddletown.blip.tv/#1698606</U></FONT></SPAN></A><SPAN lang=EN>. This info is shown when Ginger Smith approaches the dais, about 1 minute and 58 seconds into the broadcast on the little timer just below the lower left-hand corner of the picture.</P></SPAN>]]>
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   <title>Why NOT CDBG money for infrastructure??? : I thought Mrs. Smith was the CDBG...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 885<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;22&nbsp;2009 at 1:26pm<br /><br />I thought Mrs. Smith was the CDBG expert now.<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><H3>Program Areas</H3><TABLE =hgvlist cellSpacing=4 cellPadding=0 width=310><T><TR vAlign=top><TD noWrap width=15><FONT face=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif color=#990000 size=1><img src="http://www.hud.gov/images/comm&#111;n/hgv-icn-pointer-red.gif" border="0" align="baseline" alt="%20-%20" />&nbsp;</FONT></TD><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif><a href="http://www.hud.gov/offices/cpd/communitydevelopment/programs/entitlement/" target="_blank"><strong><U><FONT color=#990000 size=1>Entitlement Communities</FONT></U></strong></A><BR><FONT size=1>The CDBG entitlement program allocates annual grants to larger cities and urban counties to develop viable communities by providing decent housing, a suitable living environment, and opportunities to expand economic opportunities, principally for low- and moderate-income persons.</FONT></FONT></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD noWrap width=15><FONT face=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif color=#990000 size=1><img src="http://www.hud.gov/images/comm&#111;n/hgv-icn-pointer-red.gif" border="0" align="baseline" alt="%20-%20" />&nbsp;</FONT></TD><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif><a href="http://www.hud.gov/offices/cpd/communitydevelopment/programs/stateadmin/" target="_blank"><strong><U><FONT color=#990000 size=1>State Administered CDBG</FONT></U></strong></A><BR><FONT size=1>Also known as the Small Cities CDBG program, States award grants to smaller units of general local government that carry out community development activities. Annually, each State develops funding priorities and criteria for selecting projects.</FONT></FONT></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD noWrap width=15><FONT face=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif color=#990000 size=1><img src="http://www.hud.gov/images/comm&#111;n/hgv-icn-pointer-red.gif" border="0" align="baseline" alt="%20-%20" />&nbsp;</FONT></TD><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif><a href="http://www.hud.gov/offices/cpd/communitydevelopment/programs/108/" target="_blank"><strong><U><FONT color=#990000 size=1>Section 108 Loan Guarantee Program</FONT></U></strong></A><BR><FONT size=1>CDBG entitlement communities are eligible to apply for assistance through the section 108 loan guarantee program. CDBG non-entitlement communities may also apply, provided their State agrees to pledge the CDBG funds necessary to secure the loan. Applicants may receive a loan guarantee directly or designate another public entity, such as an industrial development authority, to carry out their Section 108 assisted project. </FONT></FONT></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD noWrap width=15><FONT face=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif color=#990000 size=1><img src="http://www.hud.gov/images/comm&#111;n/hgv-icn-pointer-red.gif" border="0" align="baseline" alt="%20-%20" />&nbsp;</FONT></TD><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif><a href="http://www.hud.gov/offices/cpd/communitydevelopment/programs/smallcities/" target="_blank"><strong><U><FONT color=#990000 size=1>HUD Administered Small Cities</FONT></U></strong></A><BR><FONT size=1>The HUD Honolulu Office directly administers the CDBG program for non-entitlement communities in the State of Hawaii. </FONT></FONT></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD noWrap width=15><FONT face=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif color=#990000 size=1><img src="http://www.hud.gov/images/comm&#111;n/hgv-icn-pointer-red.gif" border="0" align="baseline" alt="%20-%20" />&nbsp;</FONT></TD><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif><a href="http://www.hud.gov/offices/cpd/communitydevelopment/programs/insular/" target="_blank"><strong><U><FONT color=#990000 size=1>Insular Areas</FONT></U></strong></A><BR><FONT size=1>The Insular Areas CDBG program provides grants to four designated insular areas: American Samoa; Guam; Northern Mariana Islands; and the Virgin Islands.</FONT></FONT></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD noWrap width=15><FONT face=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif color=#990000 size=1><img src="http://www.hud.gov/images/comm&#111;n/hgv-icn-pointer-red.gif" border="0" align="baseline" alt="%20-%20" />&nbsp;</FONT></TD><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif><a href="http://www.hud.gov/info/disasterresources_dev.cfm" target="_blank"><strong><U><FONT color=#990000 size=1>Disaster Recovery Assistance</FONT></U></strong></A><BR><FONT size=1>HUD provides flexible grants to help cities, counties, and States recover from Presidentially declared disasters, especially in low-income areas, subject to availability of supplemental appropriations.</FONT></FONT></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD noWrap width=15><FONT face=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif color=#990000 size=1><img src="http://www.hud.gov/images/comm&#111;n/hgv-icn-pointer-red.gif" border="0" align="baseline" alt="%20-%20" />&nbsp;</FONT></TD><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif><a href="http://www.hud.gov/offices/cpd/communitydevelopment/programs/neighborhoodspg/index.cfm" target="_blank"><strong><U><FONT color=#990000 size=1>Neighborhood Stabilization Program</FONT></U></strong></A><BR><FONT size=1>HUD provides grants to communities hardest hit by foreclosures and delinquencies to purchase, rehabilitate or redevelop homes and stabilize neighborhoods.</FONT></FONT></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD noWrap width=15><FONT face=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif color=#990000 size=1><img src="http://www.hud.gov/images/comm&#111;n/hgv-icn-pointer-red.gif" border="0" align="baseline" alt="%20-%20" />&nbsp;</FONT></TD><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif><a href="http://www.hud.gov/offices/cpd/communitydevelopment/programs/col&#111;nias/cdbgcol&#111;nias.cfm" target="_blank"><strong><U><FONT color=#990000 size=1>Colonias</FONT></U></strong></A><BR><FONT size=1>Texas, Arizona, California, and New Mexico set aside up to 10 percent of their State CDBG funds for improving living conditions for colonias residents.</FONT></FONT></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD noWrap width=15><FONT face=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif color=#990000 size=1><img src="http://www.hud.gov/images/comm&#111;n/hgv-icn-pointer-red.gif" border="0" align="baseline" alt="%20-%20" />&nbsp;</FONT></TD><TD><FONT face=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif><a href="http://www.hud.gov/offices/cpd/ec&#111;nomicdevelopment/programs/rc/index.cfm" target="_blank"><strong><U><FONT color=#990000 size=1>Renewal Communities/ Empowerment Zones/ Enterprise Communities (RC/EZ/EC)</FONT></U></strong></A><BR><FONT size=1>This is a program that uses an innovative approach to revitalization, bringing communities together through public and private partnerships to attract the investment necessary for sustainable economic and community </FONT></FONT></TD></TR></T></TABLE></DIV>]]>
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   <title>Why NOT CDBG money for infrastructure??? : Ok Guys I guess I had better get...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=115">Vivian Moon</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 885<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;22&nbsp;2009 at 12:47pm<br /><br />Ok Guys I guess I had better get in here and clear up a few things and pray that I'm correct. The City of Middletown gets numerous grants for different programs. Some of these CDBG grants can only be used for specific items and or areas. However the one we are discussing can be used for street &amp; sewer repair in a certain area of the City. <DIV>Maybe we should ask Mr. Kohler to explain CDBG at a council meeting. Find out what all the CDBG money was used for last year. </DIV>]]>
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   <title>Why NOT CDBG money for infrastructure??? : From what I gather the City has...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 885<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;22&nbsp;2009 at 11:06am<br /><br /><DIV>From what I gather the City has been spending millions of dollars to fix/repair/tear down, etc. maybe 50 houses a year or less.&nbsp;&nbsp;With that same money they could have done over 5 years about 5 lane&nbsp;miles of road a year or 25 lane miles over 5 years&nbsp;of the how many do we have to fix...I forget.&nbsp; Now according to Mayor Mulligan, <FONT color=#ff0000><U><EM><strong>"The benefits of the many outweighed the needs of the few."</strong></EM></U> </FONT><FONT color=#000000>but not in this case.</FONT></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Hey Mike who is getting these funds to rehab houses in Middletown?</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Why NOT CDBG money for infrastructure??? : What motivation does the city...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=106">Middletown News</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 885<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;22&nbsp;2009 at 10:50am<br /><br />What motivation does the city have to not use CDBG money for street repairs? Are they collecting CDBG money currently for anything else?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 885<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;22&nbsp;2009 at 10:30am<br /><br /><img src="http://middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="LOL" />LOL<img src="http://middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="LOL" />&nbsp;Pacman!!<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I would've beat ya to it, but I'm a slow typist...and much more verbose!!</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 885<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;22&nbsp;2009 at 10:26am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Jonathan Haller" alt="Originally posted by Jonathan Haller" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Jonathan Haller wrote:</strong><br /><br />How did you know about CDBG?</td></tr></table> <DIV>I read a lot, I pay attention, I listen more than I speak,&nbsp;and I do a good deal of reasearch before I open my big mouth.&nbsp; Oh yeah, I used to have a really good memory...and my long-term memory is still pretty good.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Jonathan Haller" alt="Originally posted by Jonathan Haller" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Jonathan Haller wrote:</strong><br /><br />Are you sure Middletown hasn't already applied for CDBG funding?</td></tr></table>I am sure that they <EM><strong>HAVE</strong></EM>...they just refuse to use it for streets or sewers or fire station repairs (as so many other cities are doing.)&nbsp; </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Also, I have known it for years, as have some members of council.&nbsp; The last time I spoke on the very same matter was a couple of years ago.&nbsp; Everyone just sat there staring into space,&nbsp;and I was told to go sit down.&nbsp; After I left the building, Rev. Councilman Tyus said that Mike Presta was&nbsp;wrong, and that it was unlawful to use CBDG money for streets.&nbsp; All the other council members--plus Landon and then city manager Becker--all knew that I was correct, but not even ONE of them had the integrity to stand up for a citizen and tell Tyus that NO, Presta was correct and HE was the one who had it wrong!</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><DIV><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Jonathan Haller" alt="Originally posted by Jonathan Haller" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Jonathan Haller wrote:</strong><br /><br />What is CDBG?</td></tr></table> CBDG = <FONT color=#ff0000 size=2><strong>C</strong></FONT>ommunity <FONT color=#ff0000 size=2><strong>D</strong></FONT>evelopment <FONT color=#ff0000 size=2><strong>B</strong></FONT>lock <FONT color=#ff0000 size=2><strong>G</strong></FONT>rant</DIV></DIV>]]>
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