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Subject: 893
Posted: Mar 17 2009 at 5:52am

Originally posted by sportsnut sportsnut wrote:

So, are you saying this is what Monroe's council did, or what Middletown's would do?
I was referring to what Middletown's Council would/does do.  I thought I made that quite clear since I was replying to your post.  I apologize for not being sufficiently specific. 
Originally posted by sportsnut sportsnut wrote:

Why don't we all take a stance on having the cleanest coke plant available built as opposed to allowing a plant with the minimum EPA specifications?  I think that would be a great compromise for our two cities.
Sorry, but I doubt that anyone wants anything besides the cleanest technology available.  That is certainly NOT my desire, and I doubt that it is anyone's desire.  To promote the idea that anyone wants to unecessarily pollute the air is not only insulting on your part, but also demeans your arguement.  That is a ludicrous position, and I will not reply further to such tripe. 
 
(By the way, just to be perfectly clear, I also am NOT in favor of dirty water, wife-beating, child abuse, nuclear war, cruelty to animals, global warming, or any of the other tripe that people who try to imply that there are perfectly normal Amercans advocating dirty air are in favor of.  That being said, if you would like to have a reasonable discussion, that's fine.  I would be pleased to do so.  If you insist on maniacal accusations,  find an equal with whom to argue.)
 
Originally posted by sportsnut sportsnut wrote:

Or better yet, have the cleanest coke plant available built inside the AK fence.  I know - that is asking too much.  LOL
HA, HA!!  The "cleanest coke plant available"???  Everyone in Monroe  was perfectly happy with THIS one if it was just moved a few thousand feet northeast, weren't they???  Most of the homes and businesses which Mr. Schiavone, in his impassioned plea at the Public Hearing, said would be shuttered and abandoned would have been just as close, or even closer to the new plant if it were to be built "inside the fence", wouldn't they???  So, exactly how much concern does the kind-hearted counselor and the people of Monroe actually have for the folks of Amanda, Oneida, Engles Corner, Mayfield, or Blueball since they have NO PROBLEM at all with cokemaking even CLOSER to their homes than it will be to Monroe (and DOWNSTREAM to the prevailing winds to boot)???
 
I have no idea of your background, sir.  But perhaps you should read the ENTIRE book that I recommended (The Making, Shaping, and Treating of Steel), and then analyze the global steel situation as it was when SunCoke and AK first conceived this project, and then review the tapes of Mr. Snook's presentation at the Public Hearing.  Please recall that Mr. Snook made a good case that this "did not make sense"!  Well, given the world economy, and steel supply and demand at the time of conception of this project, I believe that Mr. Snook was correct!!!  UNLESS...unless AK felt, as most analysts did at that time, that the global market for certain grades of steel would continue to exceed forseeable supply, thus creating an excellent opportunity for a domestic supplier such as AK to strategically add capacity, such as EA furnaces and thin slab casters, which coupled with an economical, captive electrical power source (as this co-gen cokemaking facility is) would have perfectly situated them to take full advantage of the situation. 
 
The entire situation is much too esoteric and too complicated for Middletown's Council to fully grasp.  I have not, and will not try to speak fpr Monroe's Council, nor for their citizens. 
 
I was quite impressed with Mr. Snook's presentation.  I actually thought that he was going to reach the same conclusion that I did, but he stopped short.  His facts and logic were better arguements for Monroe's side than all of the other hystrionics, emotions, and blatherings about Middletonians wanting dirty air put together.
]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2009 05:52:25 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=4976&title=suncoke-company-of-middletown#4976 SunCoke Company of Middletown : Mike_Presta wrote: Those... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=4972&title=suncoke-company-of-middletown#4972 Author: sportsnut
Subject: 893
Posted: Mar 16 2009 at 5:20pm

Originally posted by Mike_Presta Mike_Presta wrote:

 
Those on council know next to nothing about the subject, but most have egos too large to admit that.  They are also too proud to think that anyone else may know more than they do on the subject so they will not ask anyone who is competent.  (Just like with any other subject.)  They could read an article or two (I'd recommend the chapters on coke-making and coke ovens  in 'The Making, Shaping, and Treating of Steel". by U. S. Steel Corp.) but all that would do is give a very basic overview and teach them a few "buzz words".  They then would be in a situation where "a little knowledge was a dangerous thing", since, as usual, they would try to act like experts, but would be easily fooled.
 
So, are you saying this is what Monroe's council did, or what Middletown's would do?
 
I don't always agree with what Monroe's council has done in the past, and fortunately they have allowed me to voice that to them while still respecting each other's view point.  I don't see them as these arrogant aristocrats like some elected officials. 
 
The Monroe City Council did pay 2 (or maybe 3 - not sure) consultants with years and years of experience in the steel making process and on the environmental damage that may be caused by this plant.  This time(which isn't always the case), homework was done and the proper action(IMO) has been taken.
 
After moving out of Middletown to Monroe 3 years ago, it is refreshing to be able to say I am proud of how my elected officials have acted.
 
Why don't we all take a stance on having the cleanest coke plant available built as opposed to allowing a plant with the minimum EPA specifications?  I think that would be a great compromise for our two cities.
 
Or better yet, have the cleanest coke plant available built inside the AK fence.  I know - that is asking too much.  LOL
]]> Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:20:58 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=4972&title=suncoke-company-of-middletown#4972 SunCoke Company of Middletown : sportsnut wrote:I would think... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=4966&title=suncoke-company-of-middletown#4966 Author: Mike_Presta
Subject: 893
Posted: Mar 16 2009 at 1:12pm

Originally posted by sportsnut sportsnut wrote:

I would think most of you that see your City Government's mode of operation would appreciate seeing a City Government actually taking the time to speak to the people, do some research, and not just bow down to certain folks with a private agenda.
 
Good to see the Journal finally report on the Haverhill issues. 
The problem with anyone being willing to "appreciate seeing a City Government actually taking the time to speak to the people, do some research, and not just bow down to certain folks with a private agenda." is this:
 
Those on council know next to nothing about the subject, but most have egos too large to admit that.  They are also too proud to think that anyone else may know more than they do on the subject so they will not ask anyone who is competent.  (Just like with any other subject.)  They could read an article or two (I'd recommend the chapters on coke-making and coke ovens  in 'The Making, Shaping, and Treating of Steel". by U. S. Steel Corp.) but all that would do is give a very basic overview and teach them a few "buzz words".  They then would be in a situation where "a little knowledge was a dangerous thing", since, as usual, they would try to act like experts, but would be easily fooled.
]]> Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:12:27 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=4966&title=suncoke-company-of-middletown#4966 SunCoke Company of Middletown : Interesting point Vet. These violations... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=4956&title=suncoke-company-of-middletown#4956 Author: sportsnut
Subject: 893
Posted: Mar 16 2009 at 10:41am

Interesting point Vet.  These violations could very well be caused by the folks of Haverhill being incompetent and not running the facility in the proper fashion.  Who is ultimately responsible for that?  The parent company that is wanting to build right here in Middletown.
 
The main point though is why won't the State EPA require the proposed plant coming to Middletown to fall under the same strict restrictions as the new FDS Project plant in Toledo, OH?  If the leadership of Middletown had done any research, they would have found this cleaner method of making Coke and pushed SunCoke to do the same.  Unfortunately it was pushed through without anyone questioning if there is a better way.  And there is a better way.
 
I still don't understand why Monroe is the bad guy in pushing for this plant to be the cleanest it can possibly be.  I would think most of you that see your City Government's mode of operation would appreciate seeing a City Government actually taking the time to speak to the people, do some research, and not just bow down to certain folks with a private agenda.
 
Good to see the Journal finally report on the Haverhill issues. 
]]> Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:41:52 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=4956&title=suncoke-company-of-middletown#4956 SunCoke Company of Middletown : Good comeback Mike!!!! I like... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=4945&title=suncoke-company-of-middletown#4945 Author: VietVet
Subject: 893
Posted: Mar 15 2009 at 7:09pm

Good comeback Mike!!!! I like it!!!    At 60, there's probably no chance of me improving on those either. And, like everyone else, have the battle scars that created all of it too.    ]]> Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:09:28 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=4945&title=suncoke-company-of-middletown#4945 SunCoke Company of Middletown : VietVet wrote:You might be... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=4939&title=suncoke-company-of-middletown#4939 Author: Mike_Presta
Subject: 893
Posted: Mar 15 2009 at 11:59am

Originally posted by VietVet VietVet wrote:

You might be looking for an anti-establishment, authority that is incompetent hatin', blunt, critical, sometimes angry, take no prisoners, sarcastic, crap stirring, honery, humor injecting, stubborn, wishing for the past, anti rose-colored glasses people, type of individual. Don't know, but right or wrong, that's how I see myself.
 
And those are his GOOD points!!! LOLLOL
Just kidding, Vet.  You're OK in my book!!!  Thumbs%20Up
]]> Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:59:35 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=4939&title=suncoke-company-of-middletown#4939 SunCoke Company of Middletown : Well instigator, I hope it's... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=4931&title=suncoke-company-of-middletown#4931 Author: VietVet
Subject: 893
Posted: Mar 15 2009 at 10:30am

Well instigator, I hope it's not someone running this city or in the school hierarchy. Also hope it ain't some lousy politician or uppity country clubber either. That wouldn't be a good thing. You might be looking for an anti-establishment, authority that is incompetent hatin', blunt, critical, sometimes angry, take no prisoners, sarcastic, crap stirring, honery, humor injecting, stubborn, wishing for the past, anti rose-colored glasses people, type of individual. Don't know, but right or wrong, that's how I see myself.]]> Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:30:31 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=4931&title=suncoke-company-of-middletown#4931 SunCoke Company of Middletown : VietVet you remind me of someone... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=4924&title=suncoke-company-of-middletown#4924 Author: instigator
Subject: 893
Posted: Mar 15 2009 at 12:47am

VietVet you remind me of someone I just can't put my finger on it.Ermm]]> Sun, 15 Mar 2009 00:47:32 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=4924&title=suncoke-company-of-middletown#4924 SunCoke Company of Middletown : tomahawk35 wrote:Viet, You... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=4900&title=suncoke-company-of-middletown#4900 Author: Mike_Presta
Subject: 893
Posted: Mar 14 2009 at 3:03am

Originally posted by tomahawk35 tomahawk35 wrote:

Viet, You bring up some very good points concerning this plant which makes me wonder why the leaders of our fair city didn't take more time and do some real investigating concerning such topics instead of pulling the trigger so fast. It's this kind of quick action that would cause great concern because there were never any consideration taken on behalf of anyone who questioned this plant. It was all emergency pasting of any thing that would get this plant up and running. This is a red flag.
'Hawk: It wounds me to say this, since I always have been in support of the coke plant (and remain so), but just read the threads under "City Council" and "Middletown News, Info, and Happenings" regarding a 501(C)3 known as Middletown Moving Forward.
 
It's obvious that current and former Middletown City officials are in league with area business to surreptitiously load Middletown City Council (and eventually the Butler County Commission) with stooges that will be nothing more than marionettes with the businesses pulling the strings.  The more that you dig, the more corruption you see, and the less you will "wonder" why strange things happen in Middletown City Hall.
]]> Sat, 14 Mar 2009 03:03:59 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=4900&title=suncoke-company-of-middletown#4900 SunCoke Company of Middletown : Viet, You bring up some very good... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=4897&title=suncoke-company-of-middletown#4897 Author: tomahawk35
Subject: 893
Posted: Mar 13 2009 at 10:44pm

Viet, You bring up some very good points concerning this plant which makes me wonder why the leaders of our fair city didn't take more time and do some real investigating concerning such topics instead of pulling the trigger so fast. It's this kind of quick action that would cause great concern because there were never any consideration taken on behalf of anyone who questioned this plant. It was all emergency pasting of any thing that would get this plant up and running. This is a red flag.]]> Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:44:37 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=4897&title=suncoke-company-of-middletown#4897