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   <title>A Better Middletown : 7-Nov-2017 Middletown Voter Turnout</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=695">middletownscouter</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 7-Nov-2017 Middletown Voter Turnout<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;06&nbsp;2019 at 10:33am<br /><br /><div>I updated the spreadsheet that I first created a couple of years back to include a new tab and comparisons for 2019 (vs. 2018 &amp; 2017).&nbsp; The results are pretty disheartening.&nbsp; Overall voter turnout for precincts that have a vote in elections affecting Middletown dropped to 19.00%.&nbsp; Which is the low point for the three years I've been tracking (which isn't a long time, but just since I started compiling data).</div><div><br></div><div>Link is <a href="http://bit.ly/7Nov17MiddletownVoterTurnout" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/7Nov17MiddletownVoterTurnout</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>There was an interesting change in that Warren County's Precinct #215 (Turtlecreek Township F) no longer votes in Middletown related races, but Precinct #221 (Turtlecreek Township L) does.&nbsp; Turtlecreek F is generally the area bounded north and south by Greentree Road and Route 63, with Union road as the west border and Armco Park Lake / Shaker Creek as the eastern border.&nbsp; So mostly Shake Run and the Racino.&nbsp; Turtlecreek L is basically the Butler/Warren line to the west side along the I-75 corridor from Lefferson Road to the north down to just south of the outlet mall.&nbsp; Maybe there was some redistricting in Warren County in the last year and L is a new precinct, not sure.&nbsp; Otherwise there were really no changes to precincts.</div><div><br></div><div>Not a single precinct had an increase (or push) on voter turnout, with the least drop being just less than 14% and the highest being almost 50%.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm somewhat surprised to see that kind of a change given the large amount of publicity in the amount of candidates running for mayor/council this election cycle.&nbsp; However, since there were no state or federal offices up for vote, nor were there any levies or ballot initiatives this year, it would definitely be a factor.&nbsp; Not a lot of ads on TV or radio because local races don't get a ton of money dumped into them beyond yard signs, billboards, and social media.</div><div><br></div><div>But again it goes back to the point I made back in 2017 that <span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt;">anytime wesee someone saying that the majority of the people in this town think one wayor another, know that they're just making it up because the numbers prove themajority don't care enough to have an opinion.</span></div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 06 Nov 2019 10:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> If You Don&#039;t Participate<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;15&nbsp;2019 at 6:50pm<br /><br />VietVet: "There are those who are content with demolishing half the city and leaving wide open "green spaces" with no indication on the horizon that those vacant lots will be rebuilt." <br /><br />Just saw a story on Cincinnati's Channel 5 this evening. Seems the city of Madisonville has a number of vacant lots from demolished properties. They seem to be working on the issue as the story told us that they had a ceremony today for the new owners of low cost housing in that city. The homes were constructed in a style to fit into older neighborhoods (longer than wide with no side yards) and blend in with the older homes very nicely. The young couple who now own the home are helped with the affordable home concept. The city of Madisonville is helped with occupancy of a vacant lot and the income from property taxes that will be forthcoming. The older neighborhood is helped by the infusion of young homeowners living among long time residents and may aid in providing some vibrancy to the area. Seems like a winning situation for all involved. <br /><br />Just wondering why Madisonville can find a solution to the "vacant lot" problem that occurs with rampant demolished properties but Middletown leaders seem to have no interest nor focus on the major amounts of vacant land in this city. Perhaps Middletown officials can contact Madisonville and learn how they succeeded. Given the long list of Middletown owned properties that I mentioned the other day, it would seem to me they would want to sell those properties with homes built on those properties for the purpose of gaining more revenue through taxes. Perhaps the city could donate the property with the provision there is a guarantee that the new owners would build a home and pay taxes for a selected amount of years. The city manager has talked about building housing stock in Middletown. Perhaps this is an opportunity for him to do so.  ]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2019 18:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18">spiderjohn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> If You Don&#039;t Participate<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;14&nbsp;2019 at 10:35am<br /><br />Well—there seems to be enough here to keep the naysayers curious and tuning in despite the efforts to bury this place lol. Most everyone local cares about the local govt and community. The intentionally controlled lack of bureaucratic info released, the closed council/admin discussions prior to meeting and legislating, and the lack of timely local news reporting has become a major factor.<br /><br />I don’t think that anyone has stopped caring, though quite a few serious players/contributors over the last few decades have either passed on, moved away or simply quit donating and curtailed participation. + what has come from our younger, newer citizens has been somewhat underwhelming. No matter what everyone does or how many millions have been spent, local test results stay near the bottom(578 out of 608 districts state-wide?). Drugs, theft, vandalism and other crime is symptomatic of the local environment.<br /><br />So—what should everyone( including house guy and mom) going to do, or should be doing additional to current, to improve the situation? Realistic discussion here would seem to be a positive...]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2019 10:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1452">Historic House Guy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> If You Don&#039;t Participate<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;12&nbsp;2019 at 3:25pm<br /><br />You have a half a dozen guys here who all agree and you all gang up on anyone with different views. Have fun with that.]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2019 15:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=695">middletownscouter</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> If You Don&#039;t Participate<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;07&nbsp;2019 at 9:04am<br /><br />I was referring mainly to Facebook groups.&nbsp; The 28.5k membership one is called Middletown Talk.]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2019 09:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> If You Don&#039;t Participate<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;06&nbsp;2019 at 3:43pm<br /><br />middletownscouter:<br /><br />"There are scores of facebook groups to discuss Middletown issues that are actively used on a daily basis.  Some groups have as many as 25,800 members and get heavy traffic.  I stopped counting at 50 different groups.  And as a participant in several of these, the "other side of things" here in town is well represented."<br /><br />Interesting scouter. The other sites I have investigated tend to discuss where you can buy the latest kid's clothes or where to get electric service for your home or the proverbial, "have you seen this lost dog" messages. Not much discussion about the city on the sites I have looked at. They seem to be the bulletin board type sites you refer to in your post. Where are these 25800 member sites that deal with Middletown discussion? The latest one I looked at was www.nextdoor.com which is more about providing the lost pet thing rather than discussion of the city. <br /><br />Thank you for your information in advance. ]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2019 15:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=695">middletownscouter</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> If You Don&#039;t Participate<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;06&nbsp;2019 at 12:35pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by VietVet" alt="Originally posted by VietVet" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>VietVet wrote:</strong><br /><br />&nbsp;mom, with all due respect, this site is the only option people have if they want to read the "other side of things" here in Middletown.&nbsp;</td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>There are scores of facebook groups to discuss Middletown issues that are actively used on a daily basis.&nbsp; Some groups have as many as 25,800 members and get heavy traffic.&nbsp; I stopped counting at 50 different groups.&nbsp; And as a participant in several of these, the "other side of things" here in town is well represented.</div><div><br></div><div>I like this site, have been here for many years, and will continue to do so.&nbsp; John is awesome for providing this forum and keeping it around, no doubt about it.&nbsp; But this bulletin board site, like so many others similar to it, are seeing dwindling use due to the advent of the age of social media and Web 2.0.&nbsp; There's less and less of a need for a separate site when it can easily be a page or a group on facebook, or a thread on Twitter, or Instagram, Snapchat, Reddit, etc.</div><div><br></div><div>It isn't that people are no longer discussing either side of the issues in our town, they're just not doing it here as much anymore.</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2019 12:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18">spiderjohn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> If You Don&#039;t Participate<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;06&nbsp;2019 at 11:52am<br /><br />Tough season for businesses everywhere, and no hot topics here(possible jail closing?). Outside of last weekend, the whole town is quiet. Credit to the downtowners for creating a happening event last weekend though!<br /><br />No, mom--this site pretty much mirrors our community, for what it is worth....<br /><br />We all care--simply not much that we can do about a lot of things<br /><br />Watch out for potholes!!!]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2019 11:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> If You Don&#039;t Participate<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;06&nbsp;2019 at 9:28am<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by middiemom" alt="Originally posted by middiemom" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>middiemom wrote:</strong><br /><br />“Dead site lives”. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 This site is like a patient on a ventilator whose family cannot just let go. It’s time. Pull the plug.<br />PLEASE run for council, Bob, please.🙏🏻<br /><br /></td></tr></table> <br /><br />mom, with all due respect, this site is the only option people have if they want to read the "other side of things" here in Middletown. If not for this site, the only sources they have are the Journal and the news from the city building occupants. That is obviously one-sided and favors their agenda. It would be the same as removing FOX News and giving the people only the MSNBC and CNN side of things which lean heavily on the Democratic platforms. It would be a dis-service to not offer conflicting viewpoints and let the viewer decide what side the believe. Surely you are not suggesting we discontinue the opposing side offered here and only rely on what comes from the city building are you? Giving people choices (in this case, informational sources, is inherent in a democracy isn't it? By wishing this site to go away, you are supporting the idea of denying people of this city choices for their information aren't you? Why would you want to do that unless you happen to want total control of what occurs in this city, which is how the city leaders operate. If so, you are no better than the clowns who run this city and who have helped drive it into the ground. Nothing to be proud of if that is the case. You are promoting a lack of choice and favoring the city propaganda by wanting this site to go away. Isn't providing a platform for debate more healthy for this city or do you prefer dictatorships? ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1568">middiemom</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> If You Don&#039;t Participate<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;06&nbsp;2019 at 8:37am<br /><br />“Dead site lives”. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 This site is like a patient on a ventilator whose family cannot just let go. It’s time. Pull the plug.<br />PLEASE run for council, Bob, please.🙏🏻<br /><br />]]>
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