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There ain't but one building that size in this center they are outt here.
 
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I am set to talk with a spokesman from Sears Corp. Office tomorrow we should have some more info then.
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What more info do ya need, Randy?
K Mart is leaving eventually.
 
Ya know--if y'all shopped more locally, we wouldn't be losing so many businesses.
It's not like anyone wants to close a business or leave a location.
 
K Mart has put this off for a long time, hoping things would improve, but ya really didn't support them.
 
I was in the new Target twice this week to pick up advertised items(not in stock either time), and the only difference I see between K Mart and Target is that Target has a newer building. Target did have approx.5x the # of employees standing around doing nothing other than avoiding customers(few and far between). This Wal Mart blows also.
 
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We all know that k-mart is leaving. I am not happy about it at all. I shop nowhere other than Middletown. I am born and raised in this town. I would like to know when the closing is taking place and if anyone has shown interest in the building. These are the questions I plan to ask.

As for supporting K-mart I do shop there and live just up the road. Do I shop at Walmart? Some yes. But my money (what little i have) is spent local.
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Originally posted by here&now here&now wrote:

And how do you suggest we bring businesses to Middletown? We don't have a lot to offer at the moment. High unemployment, crime and drugs.


First step would be to have City government that had the confidence of the People. It would mean taking an "Adult" attitude to City finances. If the city can't afford something without pulling cash from an area such as infrastructure, then we just can't afford it.

I liked what David S. said about the Bond issue for the 122 upgrade. "We can live without this Project" referring to waiting for Bond money to start rather than risk the City being short of cash if it were paid out of the General fund. I agree we could live without the project. I also would have rather spent the 6 mil the Bond generated on City Streets as have the 122 Project.

Cart before the Horse, in my opinion!


Originally posted by spiderjohn spiderjohn wrote:

 
Ya know--if y'all shopped more locally, we wouldn't be losing so many businesses.
It's not like anyone wants to close a business or leave a location.
 
 



Reasonable comment, but the Business has a responsibility to the Customer too. K-Mart was a Dump. Why should I shop in a Dump if I can go down the road to a place that is not a Dump?

In K-Mart's defense, it is possible that they too (like so many Middletown Citizens) have lost confidence in City Government and there by were unwilling to invest more Capital in  one of their stores located in a dying City.


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Well it would seem that this Kmart has had troubles for some years. Any time I ever went there it always looked closed,hardly any customers in the store. I always thought it was a good location for the store but apperantly not. Maybe John Boehner is building them a new building in West Chester,you know what a fine man he is as he always takes care of everyone.
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But how about this one ?

 
Is this wonderful ?
 
 
 
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Spider- I mentioned the subdivision of the K-Mart building, placing smaller businesses inside because of the setup my dad has in Indianapolis. He owns a "Tradin' Times" type of newspaper there doing inside sales and marketing. Printing is done through sub contracting. It is located in a large building similar to the K-Mart building. This building has many diverse businesses within- dad's being one of them. It is always full and rent is reasonable. Seems to work for them in Indy.
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OK interested parties and my friend Randy:
 
Currently the planned closing date for K Mart is:
November 15th
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It would be a dandy spot for a casino!
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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I agree with that one "Slots for Everyone". LOL   Unfortunately Ohio is not progressive enough to allow such an endeavor.
 
This location in a Town of 30,000 People had gross revenues of $64,000,000.00 in May 2009.
 
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Originally posted by Pacman Pacman wrote:

I agree with that one "Slots for Everyone". LOL   Unfortunately Ohio is not progressive enough to allow such an endeavor.
 
This location in a Town of 30,000 People had gross revenues of $64,000,000.00 in May 2009.
 



I disagree. We need to start  creating Wealth in this Country once agin, not just Economic activity. Wealth helps exponentially where Eco Activity thru things like gambling, is just a Band Aid.
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Right now Middletown needs a tourniquet, not just a band aid.  Creating wealth in the Country will do nothing for what ails Middletown.  The wealth has/is fleeing Middletown and the viability of Middletown is also waning.  If you don't stop the hemorrhaging and fix the problems with innovative thinking, it is quite simple......THE CITY WILL DIE.
 
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 I just spoke with rep's from K-Mart and Sears. And the closing date is November 14th with the announcement being made to share holders today.
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Randy
Will Sears be closing on that date also?
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Not that i know of. Nothing was mentioned about the Sears store

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For The latest information about K-Mart closing read the story here
Middletown's K-Mart To close
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"Few Interested Parties in the building" sounds like Kamin Realty took the same BS course that the Towne Mall owners took.  Lets see the sign went up last Thurs or Fri and was not even made Public until Monday by people on this blog and as of today they already have a "Few Interested Parties." 
 
Let me take a line from Mike Presta.....BWHAAAAHAAAHAAAAA.LOL
 
Excuse me if I am more than a little skeptical.
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K-Mart is probably deep into secret negotiations with City Hall for a prime spot in "booming" former downtown Middletown.
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Originally posted by Pacman Pacman wrote:

 
Hmmmmmm..... where does wealth come from?Confused   Unless you inherit it, it comes from economic activity.


With all due respect, you may need to re-do ECO 101.


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"I disagree. We need to start  creating Wealth in this Country once agin...."
 
Ok Irisner I will defer to you.  Please explain how in say the next 4 years Middletown is going to benefit from Creating Wealth in this "Country".  How is it going to dig itself out of the mess it has made and gotten itself into?  How without a large infusion of Tax revenues in those 4 years it is going to survive?  How with large Businesses fleeing Middletown Kmart, Towne Mall, AK Steel Management, Contech, Paper Mills, etc. is Creating Wealth in this Country going to Benefit Middletown? It seems to me Obama is doing a pretty good job of seeing that it isn't going to happen and if he maintains his current course the Creating of Wealth is going Overseas.
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Originally posted by Pacman Pacman wrote:

Right now Middletown needs a tourniquet, not just a band aid.  Creating wealth in the Country will do nothing for what ails Middletown.  The wealth has/is fleeing Middletown and the viability of Middletown is also waning.  If you don't stop the hemorrhaging and fix the problems with innovative thinking, it is quite simple......THE CITY WILL DIE.
 
 
With all due respect Pacman Middletown is already dead. The town itself is located to far off the expressway,no one knows where it is once they exit 75,council is not business friendly thus not inviting to anyone,the only thing this town has going for it is that steel mill and believe me one of these days it to will be gone. At one time Middeltown relied entirely on steel to survive,but the mill's handlers have abandoned the city. I honestly believe that the town relied so heavily on the mill that it can not survive on it's own because they don't know what to do. It's like raising a bear as a pet it's entire life then releasing that pet bear into the wild to live on it's own and it can't,there is no one there to hand it food and water,this town is the same way. When AK quit handing money to Middletown they just lost it,council went nuts because they didn't know what to do. The peope are very similar,people around here still believe the mill will save them.
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Originally posted by Pacman Pacman wrote:

"I disagree. We need to start  creating Wealth in this Country once agin...."
 
Ok Irisner I will defer to you.  Please explain how in say the next 4 years Middletown is going to benefit from Creating Wealth in this "Country".  How is it going to dig itself out of the mess it has made and gotten itself into?  How without a large infusion of Tax revenues in those 4 years it is going to survive?  How with large Businesses fleeing Middletown Kmart, Towne Mall, AK Steel Management, Contech, Paper Mills, etc. is Creating Wealth in this Country going to Benefit Middletown? It seems to me Obama is doing a pretty good job of seeing that it isn't going to happen and if he maintains his current course the Creating of Wealth is going Overseas.



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OK, first let me apologize. My tone was a little too terse.


I am a bit touchy about Gambling as a “save all” for Economies. It creates no Wealth, but simply “imports” some of the area's existing wealth. Now that is not all bad, but long term, it will not save us any more than the Lottery saved the Schools. As a matter of fact, I see the Lottery as nothing but a way to get the less intelligent to pay more of the Taxes. How many Collage Grads play the lottery as opposes to the number of High School drop outs that do?


How can creating Wealth in the Nation help Middletown? It would help every town, not just Middletown! The Nation as a whole has went down the wrong path. This same problem exists in many Towns across the country, unfortunately all the City governments send their Leaders to the same Lame “Municipal Associations” type events where they generally get all the same bad ideas.


What will help Middletown? All the things we have described in many Threads. Now, be aware, Middletown will NEVER be the beacon it was in the 60s. Demographics have change to the degree that Middletown has to accept it's “lower” position among area Municipalities. Striving for anything more is the same type of Cheer leading that City Government has been doing for years now with no success. I am here and speaking out only as a last resort before I buy one of the Home bargains that now exist outside of Middletown and add my current House to the local stock of Section-8s. I have no illusion of selling without giving it away. I really don't expect to see any change due to my comments, but it will clear my consequence about abandoning my Home Town of 50 years. Oh, yea. I don't think my new tenants will pay the same City Income Tax as I do.


What does it say when a Community like Middletown is considering a new High School and the preferred location is in the extreme north east corner of the Municipal Boundary? Are the Leaders looking to create a West Chester? The West Chester I remember is at the corner of Cinn-Day Rd and LeSourdeville -West Chester Rd. Maybe they want to make a new Middletown and just want to let Downtown siphon off enough Cash to keep the Middletown Elite's Downtown property values up.




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I think the powers to be need Eco 101.  They need to get back to the basics.  What they are doing is running everyone out.  They do not even want to allow a gas station out by the highway.  Most travelers stop to eat and fill up at the same exit.  No gas station they will just keep on driving. 
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Hermes- the subject of Middletown being totally reliant on steel was brought to their attention in a letter I wrote in the 80's and I personally handed it to then Councilman, Bill Donham, who was the "head dog" and well thought of in the community. It was also published in the Letters To The Editor to the community. (Note to Mike P- it was about the time that they were discussing moving the post office from down on Verity to the Montgomery Ward building over on University). The letter stated the consequences of the perverbial "eggs in one basket" theme that has been mentioned many times. As usual, they made the wrong choices by not replacing the paper mills and other assorted businesses over the years and didn't heed the letter because I didn't matter. Now, after years of inactivity of replacing those that left or went out of business, we are all seeing the devastation it has left. IMO, Middletown has a great location. If the people running the town would have kept up with the times and observed what was developing around them, we would have been "up to date" as to the town being as successful as the others have been. Gee, sometimes all it takes is to observe success and imitate it. But, nooooo, we have self destructed because we, the people, have put in place, people who were locked into a non-progressive mindset from the late 70's to now and we are so far behind the times that it will take a MAJOR (180 degree) change just to BEGIN to correct this mess they have created. Again, gut the entire Council/School Board and fire the city manager/department heads and start with problem solvers for the city instead of game players who accomplish absolutely nothing and have to back up to their paychecks out of guilt. Break down/ repour the "foundation" of this city before we can begin to rebuild the framework. That means the removal of the current administration. As long as they are there, we are going nowhere. JMO   
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