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   Mr. Nagy- Very informative. I agree with this plan. That's why I introduced the rumor possibility and mentioned "IF" you had suggested the earlier post. I can see that your suggestions concerning East Lake offered many solutions that would be a positive direction versus the Section 8 program we currently have. I would be a strong supporter of any program that would reduce/reverse the current direction of Section 8. The last thing we need in this town is for the city leaders to invite more HUD/Section 8 participation. We need to upgrade the town's status/perception- not destroy it as they are doing. 500 or so Section 8 participants sounds like a number we could live with. Would be nice if we could distribute the remainder of the 1662 back to the rest of the Butler County cities. Thank you for setting us straight on the facts for the East Lake program.  

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VietVet Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008	Post Options Post Reply Quote VietVet Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Jul 26 2009 at 2:57pm
	Mr. Nagy- Very informative. I agree with this plan. That's why I introduced the rumor possibility and mentioned "IF" you had suggested the earlier post. I can see that your suggestions concerning East Lake offered many solutions that would be a positive direction versus the Section 8 program we currently have. I would be a strong supporter of any program that would reduce/reverse the current direction of Section 8. The last thing we need in this town is for the city leaders to invite more HUD/Section 8 participation. We need to upgrade the town's status/perception- not destroy it as they are doing. 500 or so Section 8 participants sounds like a number we could live with. Would be nice if we could distribute the remainder of the 1662 back to the rest of the Butler County cities. Thank you for setting us straight on the facts for the East Lake program.

Paul Nagy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List MUSA Citizen Joined: Jan 11 2009 Status: Offline Points: 384	Post Options Post Reply Quote Paul Nagy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Jul 26 2009 at 2:55pm
	Vivian, I really don't know. The 550 units I proposed was four years ago. Yes, it is a big project. I haven't attended any of the current meetings. I'm invisible to this current project. Thanks for the question. Paul Nagy

Vivian Moon Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187	Post Options Post Reply Quote Vivian Moon Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Jul 26 2009 at 2:14pm
	Mr. Nagy Gee, 550 units is a really large project. Was the East Lake Project part of the discussion at the MUM meeting last Thursday? I guess I don't understand the target area going from Downtown to Damon Park. I look foreward to hearing more about this project.

Paul Nagy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List MUSA Citizen Joined: Jan 11 2009 Status: Offline Points: 384	Post Options Post Reply Quote Paul Nagy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Jul 26 2009 at 1:35pm
	"IF- IF MR. Nagy has proposed this, I do not agree with his thinking and this theme of creating a poor HUDTOWN has got to stop. Hopefully, this is not true, Mr. Nagy." Vet, Lots of "If" speculating here with no substantial facts. The East Lake type development that I and others proposed several years ago was designed to solve a lot of city problems such as; reducing crime, giving better school grades to students from low income homes, cleaning out the projects, controlling Section 8 housing, providing jobs and cleaning up sections of the city in order to make it more inviting to outsiders and businesses contemplating a move to Middletown. The East Lake Development in Atlanta, Georgia is a remarkable success story that there isn't enough space to tell here. Briefly, it was the worse ghetto in the country when it started with the highest crime rate in the country and childrens education was nil. After the East Lake Development got developed with its housing project and Charter school things got done in a way that impressed the whole nation. People were taken off of Section 8 in a remarkable way, crime was reduced by 87% and the children in that wonderful Charter School get the highest grade scores in the whole State. I am most interested in all of those things happening here and I believe they can. What happened here was that certain people said that if Nagy had anything to do with it they would see it didn't happen. In the course of things, I agreed upon request that I would become invisible to the project if they continued it. I'm more interested in getting the project done than in who gets credit for anything. I have kept my word on that and you and others probably know as much about it as I do. My understanding is that some have gone to Atlanta and there is some interest in doing that kind of Development. I am most interested in what I heard recently in a Council meeting of a proposal by the Place Matters group They suggested that downtown, the Douglas Park area and the Damon Park area be viewed as one whole developing block. I heartily concur with that. The important things to know about the project I proposed was that Section 8 is controlled. The project I proposed was to have about 550 mixed income housing units. Half of those were to be section 8 who were to be assisted in getting employment and removed from Section 8 in 3- 5 years. That was built in to the program. Remember, also, this was proposed when council was having a lot of personal infighting and the economy had not fallen yet. Had they gone ahead we would be probably finishing up that development about now and have had plenty of work with various pay level jobs for a couple of years. The project would range from about 150 million dollars to 250 million dollars. Most importantly our children from low income homes would be getting a better education and higher grade scores and have the same smile on their faces that you see at East Lake. Even now, this project would do great things for our city. Downtown doesn't need more millions thrown at it. It needs what it had in the 50's and 60's. It needs people. 550 families in close proximity to downtown would give our city a big lift. There is a lot more that could be said about the program but I think that puts it in perspective for you as to what was proposed by me and others at the time. i'm not sure what is going on now but if it is true to the East Lake schematic I'm all for it. It is a remarkable program and thought by many to be the best in the United States. Thanks for the comments. Paul Nagy

VietVet Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008	Post Options Post Reply Quote VietVet Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Jul 26 2009 at 10:31am
	Vivian- problem is- if we bulldoze this area and rebuild with condos and new housing, would we have any confidence at all that this same area wouldn't be in the same condition x number of years from now? If the situation stayed status quo, this area would attract the same stereotypes that are occupying it now. To generalize, if you provide new, modern housing for people who either don't know how, are too lazy, or don't have the money to take care of their property, the new modern housing, within a few years, reverts back to the condition of the housing that was replaced and resembles a futuristic movie with an apocalytic theme. IMO, it does no good to set up programs for the lower income/HUD/Section 8 folks, if they consistently demonstrate that they have no desire to make an effort to have pride in the things that they own and in themselves. It's been said many times before- you can be considered poor, but you can still have pride/dignity in the things you do own and how you want to be perceived by people. If the information about creating a new community for Section 8 condos is true, it is the wrong direction for the Section 8 program. Need to REDUCE, not INCREASE Section 8 influence in this town. IF- IF MR. Nagy has proposed this, I do not agree with his thinking and this theme of creating a poor HUDTOWN has got to stop. Hopefully, this is not true, Mr. Nagy. Even more reason to clean out the city leaders, fire the city manager and find the people responsible for this saturation and run them out of town. This thinking is not wanted in this town by the majority. I hate what these people are doing to my hometown.

Vivian Moon Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187	Post Options Post Reply Quote Vivian Moon Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Jul 26 2009 at 10:12am
	Pacman City Hall is now talking about establishing a new community like the one that Paul Nagy has wanted for some time called East Lake. This new planned community would require a great many houses and even blocks of houses in Ward 2 to be torn down to make way for this new community to feed the businesses of downtown merchants. It would replace the current Section 8 single housing units and I believe it would increase the current number of Section 8 rental units available. I’ve been told that several people from City Hall have recently visited Atlanta, Ga. to see this community. So Pacman, like it or not this is what City Hall has in mind for the future of Middletown. This is what all that HUD & CDBG money will fund in the future. I guess the only question now is where will it be located in Ward 2, how large will this planned community be and how many units will be built. I guess this was part of the plan that has been discussed at the MUM meeting last Thursday night. If my guess is right it will be within the area of my PLAN #1 so it would connect to the downtown area.

Pacman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jun 02 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2612	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pacman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Jul 26 2009 at 9:30am
	Vivian I think we have more than enough low income housing to go around as it is, we don't need to be contributing to it anymore.

Vivian Moon Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187	Post Options Post Reply Quote Vivian Moon Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Jul 25 2009 at 6:39pm
	I forgot to state that PLAN #1 would be low to mid priced housing Now if I were going to design a smaller community of mid priced condos I might think of the other side of Verity Parkway PLAN #2 Start at the corner of Yankee & Second and go East to Verity; then South down Verity to Yankee Road; then right on Yankee and back to Second Ave.

Vivian Moon Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187	Post Options Post Reply Quote Vivian Moon Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Jul 25 2009 at 4:17pm
	I have been giving some thought to where I would design and place a new large scale community here in Middletown that would connect to the downtown and bring new business and people into the area and also solve many of the current problems with the older houses that are now on the market. PLAN # 1 Start at the corner of Verity & 1^st Ave go East up 1^st Ave to Garfield Street; turn right and go South on Garfield and make it connect to 14^th Ave; go right on 14^th to Yankee Road; turn right on Yankee Road to Verity; turn right again and return to 1^st Ave. All the houses on the East side of Garfield would be removed and turned into a green park like buffer zone for Cohen Bros,and General Chemical. Central School area would remain and could be enlarged.