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TudorBrown
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Posted: Oct 16 2009 at 2:52pm |
Good points Bobby, Mr. Lewis!
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adamwlewis
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Perfectly said Bobbie. They are not a toy at all, they are tool. And just like a table saw or any other tool, when used properly they are great, but improperly and it's a recipe for disaster.
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Adam Lewis' Blog
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Bobbie
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Smartman I respect your opinion. You might feel a little differently if you were involved in an incident ( I hope you never are). With unemployment as high as it is right now - crime will increase. Mr Dillmans sign will not stop crime, however he has a right to post it, and I will honor his wishes for his establishment. There are more break ins at homes while the families are present - I will use any force I have to, to protect my family - and will not feel guilty. I feel confortable with guns as I was raised around them and shot them all my life - I would strongly sugget anyone that has one - get training, join sportsman club so you can target practice. They are not a toy.
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TudorBrown
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Thankfully, Ohio is leading the way in regards to firearm freedom, (respecting our second amendment rights)
Crime rates drop in CCW states, Ohio has also adopted the castle doctrine, thieves beware! http://www.governor.ohio.gov/Default.aspx?tabid=641 You can always carry openly, without a permit. You rarely see this though, if you did there's a good chance it would wrongly attract the attention of our local PD. |
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TudorBrown
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Well said! |
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TudorBrown
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Very good question! |
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Smartman
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Nice comments Spider. I guess I'm the narrow minded one in this fight. I just don't believe in carrying guns. I'm just trusting enough to believe in the system as Mr Dillman is. This is not the wild west where there are bad guys around every corner. So I guess I just don't get it. I run a large retail establishment, and firearms are the last thing we want. My employees are trained not to fight back!!! None of them carry guns.
Thought, what if justwatching were at a Middies B-Ball game or football game? I shutter to think what might happen if he or she were in an area where a problem was occurring.
JMO,,,,is this what Middletown has become?
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Hermes
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Now I get it ! The "right to bare arms" they were talking about short sleeved shirts !! Gee,I should be on the Supreme Court ! Or at least a constitutional attorney.
Anymore amendments or rights questions anyone need me to interpret ? I'll gladly do it for a small fee.
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No more democrats no more republicans,vote Constitution Party !!
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randy
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spiderjohn
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WOW--I can speak for Mr.Dillman, who really didn't want to get into this until a few started going at it.
He was given those signs when he was on the Citizens' Advisory Board to the Police Dept., and the chief encouraged him and everyone else to post them for liability concerns. His insurance co. also recommended posting the signs to decrease his liability IF a shooting occured inside his businesses. The subject had not come up in a long time, and had never caused much controversy.
He stated that he really didn't want guns in his businesses, though he was not concerned with normal law-abiding citizens(whomever that might be) and had never asked or checked anyone as to whether they were carrying a weapon. He then told me about locking himself in an office with a drugged-up suicidal employee who was flashing a loaded weapon while on the job.
The signs are mainly a liability thing, and it is very hard to monitor this type of activity. One gun in the wrong hands is one gun too many. He told about being robbed a few times(armed), and really didn't think having another weapon in the hands of anyone else would have made things any better, and probably would have led to a death or multiple deaths. Does he REALLY want to take the chance on ANYONE or the WRONG person being shot(especially if the shooting occured because of the second weapon)? Customers get into it often, and it can escalate in very strange ways.
Obviously Mr.Dillman can't control what people conceal when they enter his businesses. Common sense, courtesy and safety are hardly a given any more. Allegedly there was a 3am shooting close to one of his locations recently. His name was published as often as the names of the shooter and victim.
He stated that he wasfollowing the advice of police, insurance people, and the overall wishes of his co-workers. Pulling out one gun in a business is dangerous enough. Add another weapon(or more) and it really doesn't become more safe in his opinion.
May not be the answer you want, and Mr.Dillman had somewhat mixed concerns.
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Pacman
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Justwatching the problem with your logic in this discussion is that you are assuming that everyone that has a Concealed Weapons permit is logical and will do the right thing. I can tell you from experience that isn't so. So as far as I am concerned it is my business my rules. The person doesn't like my rules hit the road, plenty of people looking for jobs right now.
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Iliveheretoo
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Great video, Maybe I will open a store and post a sign that says I encourage my customers to carry a concealed weapon and see how many times I get robbed ?
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justwatching
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Is that what the second amendment means? Mmmmmm.
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Iliveheretoo
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justwatching
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Irisner, do you know that's why Dillman has it up or is that an assumption? I just have never heard of any insurance company requiring that sign posting or they will raise your rates, but who knows, maybe some do.
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justwatching
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See... that's narrow minded, "at least I would not carry a gun into a public establishment"? What? That makes me narrow minded? Your logic is full of fallacies and I am done debating with you. Good day, and if I ever see you in need of rescuing, I'll be sure to save you even though to don't want me to.
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lrisner
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It is strictly a Liability thing.
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Smartman
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I'm narrow minded? At least I would not carry a gun into a public establishment, and I would not condem a business owner because he or she posted a sign. As a customer in a store I would be very uncomfortable if I new the person next to me was packing a firearm. My hat is off to Mr Dillman and all the other business folks that post that sign!
Look Wyatt, if you want to carry a gun, fine. Just leave it in the car when you go shopping!
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justwatching
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It's not about stopping the robbers, it's about protecting yourself and more importantly, in my opinion, your family. And it's not about a shooting happening every day, even though they do, it's about being prepared for that one time that it happens and you are there.
I agree, killing someone would be a hard thing to do, but in protecting my family or myself, I wouldn't bat an eye. Here are three shooting this week that I found in about 30 seconds, not including the 1000 I found of people shot at their home or on the street. These were shootings at businesses. Today: http://www.kyw1060.com/Camden-Co--Police-Investigate-Shooting-of-Bakery-O/5448132 Yesterday: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D9BB04JO2.html This weekend: http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_13544367 |
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rngrmed
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JustWatching- Would you please find me some articles from this past week that a shooting happened every day? I'm not opposed to the concealed carry, but allowing everyone to carry a guy isn't going to stop people from robbing stores/banks, etc. Did it stop Jesse/Frank James? While you are finding articles about the daily shooting, please tell me how many people had their own weapon taken away from them and killed with it. Some of the people that have been through a concealed weapons class might be a damn good shot, really good a shooting a target. Shooting a person is completely different. If they were going to kill or rob you the shooter still has to leave with those consequences of killing someone.
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justwatching
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"Based on your comments you are the hot head that would try to provoke someone into a fight"?? How on earth do you get that? I have actually never even been in a scuffle of any sorts shy of when I was 14 and got into a fight with a thief at school. In fact, I rarely even argue with anyone because it usually comes down them being so narrow and closed minded, like you, that arguing is futile and redundant. I just pray, for your sake and your family's sake, that you are never the victim of violent crime outside of your home, because apparently this is the only place you think bad things happen.
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Smartman
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Justwatching, I am a smartman. I don't carry a gun and would not with the anticipation of ever using it! And NO I would not like being next to you if trouble was around. Based on your comments you are the hot head that would try to provoke someone into a fight. You need a reality check! ....Really
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justwatching
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Smartman, you're not a smart man. It's not that I, or anyone else who carries, feels we need a gun at the local grocery store. It's the fact that you never know when you'll need it. Do you think the thousands of people who die in senseless killings every year went out thinking, "I bet someone is going to come into McDonalds while I'm there and shoot me." No, they didn't. You never think you'll need a gun, and you pray you never have to use it, but the fact of the matter is shootings are a daily occurrence in the country and they don't usually happen at homes or when people are prepared for them. They happen in the local grocery store parking lot, or at the dinner, or church, or one of any number of places we visit on a daily basis. This is where shootings. I shop at nearly every grocery store in town, usually stopping 2-3 times throughout the week to pick up various items, and you'll be damned glad I'm next to you when the store manager's ex-boyfriend comes in to blow her head off and you sh*t you pants while I protect you, myself, and anyone else lucky enough to be behind me.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,506820,00.html http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/jul/27/knoxville-church-shooting-leaves-several-injured/ http://www.arlingtonva.us/Departments/Police/news/printarticle.asp?ID=682 http://cbs2chicago.com/local/mall.shooting.tinley.2.644307.html |
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Pacman
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JustWatching the only person in my business that has a gun is ME.
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Smartman
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Justwatching, This the 21st century. Why would you need to carry a gun to a grocery store or any other establishment? I understand having one at home for protection. Geez, let me know where and when you go shopping and I will stay home
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