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Black&White
Outsider Joined: Jul 21 2009 Status: Offline Points: 6 |
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Posted: Nov 03 2009 at 10:52am |
ahhh... I love this site! Where else could I get so much insite to all of the City's problems!?
Paul...thank you for speaking your mind and standing on your own two feet!
Gary...thank you for speaking your mind and standing on your own two feet!
I wish you both the best of luck today!
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There's no such thing as Gray.
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Hermes
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: May 19 2009 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 1637 |
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I have to echo everything Paul is saying. How is Monroe in a mess ? Monroe is booming ! They have business & shopping and apperently city leaders who know what they are doing. Monroe is not, I repeat NOT, in the mess that Middeltown is.
I agree also that if Kohlers' view is one of good then I'll happily take the bad. No one can name anything good that Kohler has done for the city. I know several on here have asked for a list and not just by Kohler but by all of council to name all the good things they have done and nothing has been produced.
VOTE Tuesday and get the right people in office for change !!! Lets GET-R-Done !!!
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tootie
MUSA Immigrant Joined: Sep 16 2009 Status: Offline Points: 32 |
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The City needs to reply
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tootie
MUSA Immigrant Joined: Sep 16 2009 Status: Offline Points: 32 |
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HUMMMMM
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Nelson R. Self
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 03 2009 Status: Offline Points: 279 |
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Middletown desperately needs an intelligent/insightful/accountable new City Council - Ward 4 representative such as Paul Nagy. He's an ever present voice of reason who will represent all of Middletown's citizens.
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Paul Nagy
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jan 11 2009 Status: Offline Points: 384 |
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SupportMiddletown,
If Marty Kohler is one of the few people in Middletown that has long term vision than his vision will continue to make us worse than we have become these last years under his lack of expertise and long term vision. There is no project that he has put his hands on that has worked. If so, list them and let's talk about them.
Your comment:
"Allowing unrestricted development may help in the short term, but it won't secure Middletown long term vibrancy. Monroe is unsustainable; we can't emulate that mess."
is shallow and thoughtless. Do you really think that Lennie Robinson is opposed to unrestricted development? Do you really think the developers of four McDonalds in our city are opposed to unrestricted development. Do you really think that the motel owners are opposed to unrestricted development? Do you really think that the doctor's that own that property are opposed to unrestricted development? Do you really think that the longtime property and business owners- the Burkes- are opposed to unrestricted development.Yet, they flat out oppose the foolishness of the excessive and ludicrous restrictions as proposed by Kohler.
We should be so lucky to be as productive as Monroe has been in the last ten years.
Your endorsement of Marty Kohler is another good argument for his immediate removal.
City Council and Administration turn our city around and get rid of Marty Kohler now!
Paul Nagy
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SupportMiddletown
MUSA Resident Joined: Nov 01 2009 Status: Offline Points: 181 |
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Marty Kohler is one of the few people in Middletown that have long term vision. Allowing unrestricted development may help in the short term, but it won't secure Middletown long term vibrancy. Monroe is unsustainable; we can't emulate that mess.
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LMAO
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 28 2009 Location: Middletucky Status: Offline Points: 468 |
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Only way its going to get any better is that the people of Middletown gets out and vote the ones that are occupying the chairs now. As in firing them,maybe we can call it a "Emergency"as they do all the time and run them out.
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taxed2death
MUSA Immigrant Joined: Oct 26 2009 Location: middletown Status: Offline Points: 34 |
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It's amazing to me how you can go up 75(going north) and from lets just start at Cin/Dayton exit and look around things are building up and expanding and you can follow this all the way up to Monroe and then it picks back up around Franklin. Why has it skipped Middletown all together with the exception of the hospital? And why has the city been so flipping blind to this and keep those people in office that are responsable for it!! Anywhere else if your job performance was this poor you would have been fired a long time ago!
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I hope it gets better soon!
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LMAO
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 28 2009 Location: Middletucky Status: Offline Points: 468 |
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Middletown Journal? Here I thought it was AK Journal.
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Mike_Presta
MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483 |
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I watched the recording of the first half of the last zoning meeting last night, and Kohler's performance was even worse than has been described. More on this later, but Nagy is right on the mark here!!!
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Mike_Presta
MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483 |
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It is simply beyond belief that The Middletown Journal has NOT published even one single word on this subject so critical to the future of the city of Middletown!!!
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Mike_Presta
MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483 |
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And not only do both CVS and Atrium have parking in the front, but also both CVS and Atrium have "Drive up service", yet Kohler either wasn't smart enough or wasn't honest enough to allow the same for a fast-food restaurant at an interstate exit (at least not until exposed during the hearing). Either way (stupid or dishonest) he is unqualified and should be discharged (if unqualified due to stupidity) and charged (if discharged due to dishonesty)!!!
All of his attempts to "explain it away" as being a "work in progress" and an attempt to gather input just don't cut it. ANYONE claiming qualifications in zoning should be smart enough to realize that a McDonalds needs a drive-up just as much as a drug store or an ER, even on the FIRST DRAFT! Even Middletown city council members should be able to see through this pitiful ruse of an explanation. This is even more blatant than the now defunct barbeque joint's in-your-face violations that everyone at city hall CHOSE to ignore.
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Pacman
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jun 02 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2612 |
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Look no further than the Local Chamber Vivian. One of the main reasons that I will not renew my membership is their lack of action or even to take a Public Stance on issues which affect the Local Business Market.
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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I will tell you as a former business owner I would never invest my money here in Middletown after watching the latest planning commission meeting and the action taken by Mr. Kohler. Where are our business leaders? Why are they letting Mr. Kohler contine his attack on Middletown property owners?
HOW MIDDLETOWN BUSINESS FRIENDLY WAS THAT MEETING?
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Mike_Presta
MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483 |
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If any business (or resident, as far as that goes) demolishes, rebuilds, adds to or even SUBSTANTIALLY REMODELS a structure, there goes their "grandfather status" and that means that they will have to abide by all of the NEW restrictions!!!
This not only tricks-***** the Ramada, but also makes their property much less valuable to ANYONE who may want to use it for ANYTHING other than EXACTLY what, and AS, it is. (No adequate convenience of parking for a hotel or motel, and must be hidden from I-75, for example.)
That's what Ms. Burke, as one of the smaller business owners, was trying to point out! Her small lot on Market St. would be virtually worthless under the new restrictions since it is too small for virtually ANYTHING on its own. Someone would have to buy up two, or even three, in a row to make it worth owning for anything other that its current use. That certainly narrows prospective buyers to those with much DEEPER pockets.
Hmm...I wonder if anyone at city hall, or on the planning commission, has made any insultingly LOW offers out that way lately??? (Especially PRIOR to that zoning hearing.) Or maybe some obscure "alphabet" group?
(An "alphabet group", for those who may not know, is a group such as an LLC or other legal entity formed with an obscure name such as "TMD Group, LLC" or "XYZ, Inc." often formed to "hide the identity of the true owners, sometimes to stay under the law". (BUT definitely NEVER involving any city officials in Middletown, and I would NEVER mean to suggest that!!!)
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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swohio--businesses in Middietown MUST fend for themselves, because city admin policy is not orderly, timely while conflicting and confusing at best. Obvious favoritism and preference by Mr.Kohler's planning dept. is clear and slanted, exemplified by the CVS situation, signage for the Paychex complex and development companies to the unbelievable emergency variances granted to the Atrium when they built later structures without permits and with complete disregard to material usage and design.
These east end successful business owners need to align themselves with the entities west of their situation to present a clear coalition representing the confusing and conflicting direction of the planning dept. and planning commission. Where is our local Chamber on these vital business issues?
All concepts desired by business and property owners are not detrimental to the city, just as all city policy is not beneficial, clear or well-structured. There is enough concern throughout the city's business community to red flag admin that there are legit problems and issues with the actions and direction of our planning dept.
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wasteful
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 27 2009 Status: Offline Points: 793 |
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I also heard Ramada wants a new facility.
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Pacman
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jun 02 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2612 |
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swohio75 every property owner that spoke against the change if I remember correctly was West of Union Rd. That area is basically built up for the most part from Grace Baptist Church to the end of Commerce Dr. Grace Baptist Church you can't even see any of there buildings from Union Rd., not the Church, not the School, not their Bus facility, none. and I would say they are sacrificing enough as it is for this project. To me this sounds like the city is trying to force out businesses they may not want on Commerce and making redevelopment/development a lot more expensive.
You already have CVS which appears to go against the new zoning just built and Oh God they have parking in the front.
Businesses can't have vehicles over 7 ft tall.........huh that sure excludes a lot of businesses. At least they relaxed that so truckers don't have to leave their rigs on I-75 and walk to a Hotel. Some of this stuff is just down right laughable.
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Talk with those in Warren County and they will be glad to tell you why Mr. Kohler left.
He now needs to leave Middltown ASAP.
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swohio75
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jun 13 2008 Status: Offline Points: 820 |
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Could it be that property owners are out for themselves and not for the better of the city? I mean look at the sh*t that's been built around Middletown over the years.
Giving property owners exactly what they want in terms of zoning isn't always a good thing. They are out to maximize their dollar. |
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transplant
MUSA Immigrant Joined: Sep 30 2009 Status: Offline Points: 26 |
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Kohler often gets a bad rap on this forum. Perhaps some is justified but he has either received direction from above or at least has approached the economic development department and city manager on issues and they have been ok'ed by them. Maybe there is more to it but I find it hard to believe that its all Kohler. Hopefully you get on council to find out. |
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Paul Nagy
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jan 11 2009 Status: Offline Points: 384 |
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Transplant,
Yes, Marty Kohler takes some orders from above but he gets a lot of leeway from them. I think you are correct all of Council and the Administration needs to be held accountable to the citizens. We need to clean house. This would be a good place to start.
Thank you.
Paul Nagy
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Nelson R. Self
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 03 2009 Status: Offline Points: 279 |
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Vote for Gary Barge!
He will be the independent voice who represents all Ward One residents!
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Gary Barge
MUSA Immigrant Joined: Feb 06 2009 Status: Offline Points: 50 |
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Hey Paul,
By me replying to this maybe kind of conspicuous
However, I believe there are a lot of points that haven't been made. In watching the planning commission meeting I observed Mr Kohler at the beginning was in total control. His job in the planning dept. is to make sure everyone effected is contacted not just 3 property owners. When Lenny Robinson got up and asked him face to face "what is his real agenda for rezoning these parcels" he got no reply. He asked Marty another question " by rezoning the church property they would have to move their parking behind the building, right?" Marty replied "we aren't set up for this type of dialogue". If it had not been for Lenny robinson contacting all the people that he did that would have passed thru zoning as fast as everything else does thru an emergency legislation. Unfortunately I have to agree that it is not just Marty Kohler although he does play a big part. Where was Mike Robinette when this was such a hot button item with the severity of the zoning change, where was his input? It all boils down once again to a few (PROPERTY OWNERS). Who are these owners that did get contacted and didn't object to the rezoning. Folks, just like the Middletown Cemetary. It is now fenced off with restricted hours. Before our administration gets done with these ridiculous zoning changes and ordinances they will have built a fence around the whole city just for a few individuals' benefit. I still can't believe Marty Kohler and the staff would have recommended to approve this. This just blows my mind. Does anybody remember a song from the 70's "Signs". Signs, signs, everywhere a sign. Blocking out the scenery, out of sight out of mind. Who would do that? People creating the signs. So I tucked my hair up under my hat and went in to ask them why? They said "Man, you must be some kind of a sinner". As I pulled off my hat, I said "imagine that" wondered down the street, looking at all those signs. That blew my mind. " Folks, it is time for the people to get out and vote, make the changes that are necessary and restore our city back to our all american heritage. It is the power of the people not just a few that paves the way to our future. Thank you.
Gary Barge
1st Ward Candidate
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