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Rhodes,
        Apparently you don't get it, even yet. Just to make it clear...You were making personal attacks on someone. You misconstrued his humorous blog and accused him of making personal attacks on you. But you went too far and in my opinion crossed the line and were bullying him and engaging in character assasination of someone we all know to be a fine person.. I don't like or encourage bullies. I wanted you to know how out of line you were and the trouble you were trying to cause. I would have and will do the same if I thought it was being done by anyone else to anyone else, including you.. If you weren't concerned "if these 2 were the same person or not why did you keep bringing it up? No one was cradling anyone. I haven't seen or talked to Pacman in a year or two. He is quite capable of handling anything on this forum. I just didn't like the way you went after the messenger istead of the message. You keep making comments in this matter that are personal and demonstrate your desire to attack personally. Such as, "Nagy is easily riled up, it was just something to keep him huffing and pufing about". Friend, you couldn;t be more wrong! I'm not easily riled. When I am you won't have to wonder about it, you'll know it,  I promise. So, huff and puff on that.  Also, I always write under my own name. I don't write under any anonymous names. I do that intentionally to take personal responsibility for what I say. I have no problem with those who write under other identitites. I understand that there is good reason for that in many cases. You are right when you say, "whether people use real or fake names is not important'. I would add  - most of the time.
              So, Rhodes, why don't you drop it. Even as recently as yesterday, you wrote a couple of excellent blogs that were about serious matters on this forum on other issues. I and others have said that to you all along. Why don't you continue to do that and let's move on. If not I will respond accordingly.
             Thank you.
              Paul Nagy
 
               
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Paul Nagy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov 10 2010 at 5:32am
Tomahawk35,
           I felt the manner in which Vannestmom was making personal remarks about you was also crossing the line. She wasn't sticking to the issues you were discussing. I never felt you were belittleing her. Her responses to you were odd at best and I also wondered if she is for real and /or someone was using this site to pretend to play games with everyone. I didn't mean to imply anything else and I apologize if I led you to think otherwise.
Always appreciate your responses on this site and the responses of so many others seeking and providing answers.
           Thank you.
            Paul Nagy
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rhodes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov 10 2010 at 4:28am
Spiderjohn & Randy, just to make it clear... I wasn't really concerned if those 2 were the same person or not. I just thought it was strange that 2 grown men would need to cradle each other that way on a message board. And since Nagy appears to be easily riled up, it was just something to keep him huffing & puffing about. As I've stated on this board before, I never ever go after the true identities of anyone who posts on this board. I like it anonymous, whether people use real or fake names is not important.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mike_Presta Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov 10 2010 at 1:05am

PattiGal:

It takes courage to undertake such a venture during times as unpredictable as those we are currently enduring. Please accept my wishes for success beyond your most optimistic expectations.

“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tomahawk35 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov 09 2010 at 11:24pm
Paul, I don't know why you brought my name into to this pi$$ing contest, just like I told vannest I wasn't belitting her (if she is for real)I just wondered if someone was using this site to pretend to play games with everyone.If she is for real,more power to her.Like I tell everyone at work, no matter what the situations I'm the only one  responsible for my bills.
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Thank you, Randy!!
"Because nice matters..."
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bocephus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov 09 2010 at 8:29pm

Sorry I missed the part about where the chickfila was going,Gratz Patti I am sure you will be seeing myself and family love their sammiches.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote randy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov 09 2010 at 3:26pm

Here I started a topic about a new business opening, and this is what it has turned into… ridicules. The whole point was to share some info about Chickfila coming to the Middletown shopping center and opening inside Patty’s Cards and Gifts.

 

You guys turn it into some discussion about coffee shops downtown. No one even said congrats to Patty’s for helping bring back Chickfila, so I will be the first. Congrats to you.

 

Let me reply to a few things really quickly, I do not have time to police this site all day (as I have other jobs that I do as well) but I will not put up with name calling and childish actions and comments. This is the last place in Middletown for residents to come and debate, share ideas and post there thoughts on others ideas, so treat it that way.

 

We are going to have disagreements on MUSA, that’s life but can act like adults about it.

 

And Rhodes I can confirm that Pac and Paul are not the same people. I know them both.

 

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Talk about insanity! You tell me to mind my own business and in the next breath you tell me your not talking to me. If thats not insanity I don't know what is.
Why don't you just keep your word and not talk to me?
Paul Nagy
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Rhodes, my on-line friend, I know absolutely that Mr.Nagy and Pacman a not the same person, and are both very well-informed well-intentioned citizens. Are either of them using other screen names also? Ask them yourself.
 
I really don't see much substance to this disagreement other than egotism and ruffled feathers.
Can we get ONE  coffee shop downtown first?
 
Looks like Mr.Verdin is in no rush to open his facility as hoped and mentioned by Thanksgiving or Christmas. Why should he be in a hurry? He has the improved building and a quarter mill $$ expense money(probably invested it in the market or gold--making a great return). So does he have title yet, and who will pay utilities/taxes? A mid-winter start-up in Jan/Feb will be slow at best. Can't see out-of-town artists traveling through the weather to work in that quiet part of town still with few amenities.
 
So--no train--no PAC--no coffee shop--soon to be no Manchester--hmmmm.
And a proposal to put new storefronts on those properties that recieved new storefronts just a few years ago? If the property owners had maintained the last improvements(or opened a business to utilize the gracious improvemts), this would not be in ther mix. Will Council/Admin REALLY follow through with this waste of taxpayer $$ again? Hard to believe. Maybe 26 former downtown area "stakeholders" will speak up for this project also, so they can once again have their properties subsidized. Little wonder why they goose step to Council/Admin.
 
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Oh, FML... Dude, you come off insane. Mind your own business, nobody is even talking to you.
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Ah, Rhodes,
       There you go again showing your nasty side. Now, it is obvious that you brought it up again just to cause trouble on this forum. You have sunk to a new level of low, which is your intention by saying that Pac was lying about being funny. Pac's post  itself stands against you and shows that you are a small, dirty thinker about others. Especially, about Pac. All of us that know him from these (2000) posts know his integrity. What we are finding out is your lack of it. You are the only crybaby in this matter and that is so obvious by your continuing this foolishness. You also deliberately lie when you say we are the same person because we have told you otherwise and most everyone has seen us in public numerous times.
       Randy, Rhodes is crossing the line. I have no intention of lettng him try to bully and continuously  belittle anyone on this site. Its obvious he wants to give a bad name to this site.  Disagreement is fine character assasination is not. It seems to me there is a delibeate effort going on to sabatoge this site. Look at Tomahawk's posts with Vannestmom and add it to Rhodes rantings.
       Paul Nagy    
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rhodes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov 09 2010 at 12:57am
Spiderjohn, I wasn't picking on people that post a lot. I only brought it up because Pacman said I needed to get a life because I didn't go along with his lie that he was being funny. Then I had to deal with 2 crybabies trying to put me in my place. Double FAIL. Both forgettable and probably both the same person. Either that or they sure do like to stroke each others hair.
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Whatever happened to Bill Murphy.  I met him and liked the guy but don't know if he fled for greener pastures (probably) or was pushed out (doubtful -- does anyone get pushed out of the city bulding other than Nelson Self?)
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Unfortunately, very true Vet. Had nothing to do wih persuasion of the argument, just felt at least it showed some temporary stability. Felt I'd share it as sj was getting some heat from the 'dark side'. Middletown's image just too far gone to ever see it return to glory, and throw in the AK lock-out and the financial meltdown, and Ohio's - 400K jobs, its just a dismal future. Must be Bill Murphy doing some behind the scenes work for Middletown, reeling in PAC and Cinci State (said with sarcasm). All that shuffling and no train in Middletown.     
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote VietVet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov 08 2010 at 2:41pm
acclaro...."at the last moment,I changed my vote to yes, only because as you correctly stated, Middletown would be an absolute mess if the school system suffered another blow." IMO,the schools have been an absolute mess for over 25 years. A little late to think about the devastation of a levy failing, isn't it?

"Although not deserving of the support, the reality was defeating the levy and the continued new ballot issues would just keep the city from recovering. Your logic was correct." Again, whether we pass or fail a levy, they are just going to keep coming at us for more money. There is no situation that will keep the school people off the taxpayers back and out of our wallet. School people don't care how much it affects the general public financially. They are in their own little world that encompasses what THEY want and to hell with the citizens budget. To give them what they want, especially with the poor performance they have produced, hardly is logical, just to salvage what?....the remnants of a once thriving city's school system. In it's current condition, and the way it is currently being run, this town is too far gone in image, reputation, area status and in potential repair, to consider having a decent school system as making a difference. It could be the best school system around the area, but that will not trump the mess created from the city building. JMO
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"Your point on the renewal on the school levy was correct."

Shocking, acclaro.  I can't believe you did a 180 on the school levy!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote acclaro Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov 08 2010 at 10:34am
spiderjohn, I want to let you know any "eat" you may be catching on the 'dark' side is more than compensated for the realists and non shills for city hall, several which are well educated, well regarded, and disenchanted by the total collapse of city council and city hall to turn the corner in Middletown. What you have stated is exactly correct in many circusmstances, and shared by many. I won't name names, but assuredly, some of the most respected and educated physicians, business owners, et al, share your sentiments. I sincerely hope the number of posts doesn't constitute whether to trudge on, as you have encouraged many in the community to get involved, and you have nothing to apologize. You have been a realist, wile also being a cheerleader for Middletown, so why anyone on the 'dark side' whose numbers are dwindling, would scape goat you is again, compensated for many who gained additional respect for you and your position.
 
I have not always agreed with you in certain situations, but you speak the truth. Your point on the renewal on the school levy was correct. At the last moment, I changed my vote to yes, only because as you correctly stated, Middletown would be an absolute mess if the school system suffered anoher blow. Although not deserving of the support, the reality was defeating the levy and the continued new ballot issues would just keep the ciy from recovering. Your logic was correct.
 
I have no idea if any progress or desire is there to suppplant a council member. It seems many have ADD- concepts and actions are started, but never finished. But, your offer to take over a position was generous, and you would have many supporters. As for PAC and Cinci State, considering all aspects of downtown and the wrecking ball trend, probably not a bad deal for the future. Jury will be out many years if it will be a success, but if marketed correctly, it does at least help put a finger in the dike, just liek passing the school levy helped show others there were attempts to turn Middletown around.
 
As for Nick Kidd's views on the city's actions, I would suggest reading Ohio code and caselaw, and if there are violations, retain an attorney to investigate. Middletown has gotten a clean slip for years on the audit, so I view that pushing a rock up hill, but, if the state statues are clear, maybe there should be some house cleaning.
 
As O'Reilly would say, you are viewed as a patriot, not a dark side 'pinhead'. As for 5Guys and Panera, as you said rather eloguently, the $ menu is far more appealing (and affordable) than dropping $8-$10. @ either for the demographics in the city. But....and there is always a but (sorry, a 'Presta' cloakism), Steak and Shake and their $4.00 deals are every bit as good a 5Guys, with the triple. Don't ever expect either Panera or 5Guys to make it to Middletown.      
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Spider,
        I don't think Rhodes is a bad guy - before or now.  I think he just crossed the line in his attack and insults on a blogger. I just responded to him in the same length he responded. He has every right to say anything he wants and so do we and so do you, even when we are wrong. There is no shame on any of us.
That's what open debate is all about.  I appreciate your coming to his aid but he did just fine. I think he makes positive contributions here like the rest of us do on occassion. Long live Middletownusa!
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Excuse me Spider but where is my Long Form insult, I must have missed it or been asleep when I typed it out last night.  Some assistance from you would be appreciated.  Or are you referring to my what one or two sentence rebuttal to Rhodes and then bowing out and letting him rant.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote spiderjohn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov 08 2010 at 9:44am
wow--Rhodes is a bad guy now?
I don't see it that way.
 
the mj trolls are accomplishing their goal to stir up and distract this forum.
then pac and Paul want to insult in long form.
 
shame shame shame
 
keep yer eye on the ball and yer head in the game
divide and conquer is one of the dark siders' methods--will u allow it to work?
 
ate at the 5 guys in cville--not the best burger that I have had, but better than most chains.
I like Panera, and would expect either/both to do very well here, except that they have no $1 meals--far from it.
 
best to pattigirl and her venture--so would yo co-habit the site, or would you vacate?
Or would you become a chick filet operator?
 
guilty rhodes as I near 1000 posts in 3 1/2 years here.
I have promised myself to be out for good by  1000, and I will follow through this time
so I am trying to limit my ramblings
this place and my thinking has caused me enough grief with others in town
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Hello Rhodes,
        I'm with you. Can anyone please tell us whether or not Five Guys and Panera are going to be downtown?
        Thanks.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pacman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Nov 08 2010 at 9:35am
Nelson, the last time you made a post posting information from HUD and the City Site I asked you a question or made an observation about the info and you went back and deleted all of the info you posted.
 
You say I have gone negative on you, I say the city is taking a different tack in dealing with the forclosure issue staying within the guidelines as set forth by HUD. 
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I know first-hand about one frequent MUSA participant and his confrontational tendencies.
 
When I post new data about wasted HUD funds, I always know he'll "Go Negative On Me."
 
That holds true even if my information is directly from the Community Revitalization Dept.
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If the girls are done consoling each other, can we get back to whether or not Five Guys & Panera are going to be downtown or was that a joke?
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