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    Posted: Dec 09 2010 at 2:38am

I am just having my first opportunity to watch the last City Council meeting (actually, the Blip TV replay), and I guess I’ll add some comments as I do so.

Much has already been written about Resolution R-201042, so let me just mention a couple of things that no one else seems to have touched upon:

First, most people see labor relations as two-party affairs: Management and Labor. However, when unions are involved, one must understand that there are actually more than TWO sides involved. Unions, themselves, are “businesses” composed of “Management” (the paid union leaders, staff, attorneys, etc.) and “Labor” (the dues-paying rank-and-file union membership). The goals of the union “business” management and labor are not always identical. Did anyone else notice that nearly all of those that spoke at the “Citizens’ Comments” portion of the Council meeting were members of union MANAGEMENT, while those applauding on cue were union rank-and-file????

Next, one might wonder why the “audience” applauded when Philip Logan (Director, Young Democratic Socialists of America) stated:

“The tyrants of our workplaces demand us to increase productivity as taxes are raised and paychecks shrink…”

That sounds like a line that the TAXPAYERS should have been applauding in this situation, not the union and especially not the young democratic socialist!!!

Oh well, I guess they just teach the young communists to memorize and repeat, not to actually think, analyze, and apply deductive reasoning.

“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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I have opined in the past that several of the boards and commissions in this city have overstepped their bounds. I have likewise opined that several city employees have also overstepped their bounds. Without regards to motives, and as matters of examples only, I present the following FACTS for your consideration:

From the 2009 Codified City Ordinances:

CHAPTER 269: TREE COMMISSION

§ 269.02 DUTIES.

The Tree Commission will advise the City Council on all matters relative to urban forestry in the City area. The mission of the Tree Commission is to study and promote an urban forestry program in the City and to make recommendations to the City Council for the development of programs to promote such urban forestry program.

The forgoing is the entire scope of duties of the Tree Commission. They are not authorized to expend public funds. They do not have the authority to execute public contracts. If they raise funds, spend funds, or execute contracts they do so as a private organization unless SPECIFICALLY authorized to do so by official public action of the City Council, acting as the Legislative Authority of the City of Middletown.

Now let’s look at a portion of the minutes of the November 17, 2010, meeting of this public body, included as part of the 12/7/2010 Workbook:

(From pages 50 & 51 of 192 of the workbook):

Tree Giveaway:

Jay reported on his survey of the properties of the four people who had applied and only one was unsuitable for a street tree. A discussion was had and it was decided that since we had money for the four trees that the property at the corner of Breiel and Central had taken out two trees and had room we would award them two trees, one large shade tree and one small ornamental. Steve will talk with Berns and find out the species available and when they can schedule the planting and get with Carolyn who will call the winners and give them the species options so they can chose which species they would like to have. Jay will then flag the properties to get the tree in the correct location and for OUPS.

Fall Tree Planting:

Doris reported that she had gotten a call from Berns and they could only get the Redbuds that she had originally ordered. She had then spoken with Steve and Jeff who had approved this and all members agreed. She also showed the Tree City USA application and gave the members a copy of the breakdown of dollars and volunteer hours that had made the city eligible for the fourth year. She thanked all the volunteers for their contribution. That made the cut off date for additional volunteer hours on November 16th of this year.

EAB management plan:

Members agreed that we need to ramp up education on this starting in February of next year. Jeff said he would speak with Jessica about getting something in the Journal. Also mentioned was the old information on the cities web site about the Tree Commission and Carolyn said she would forward Doris two new slides from the T.V. Middletown presentation to be put on this site when it is updated at the beginning of the year.

State Ash Canopy Restoration Grant:

Doris passed copies of the application to members and explained that she had just gotten the information a week ago and had until December 15th to apply. This is a 50/50 matching grant from the state to help with replacement of Ash trees and the removal. She ask for projects the TC would be in favor of since it would require a letter from the TC stating their approval. She mentioned finishing out the Breiel Blvd median planting, tree replacements in Smith and at the Golf Course since these were the two city locations with the most Ash trees and the most used. She reported that Dave had said she should go for a $3,000/$3,000. Members thought that she should also go for matching funds for the scheduled tree planting in spring which would complete the Breiel project. They expressed and Mr. Allen agreed that we should go for all the money we can if it has already been set aside for the spring planting. Carolyn pointed out that it would also pay for administrative matching dollars. Jeff McMullen brought money Rob Nicholls had set aside for tree planting along the bike trail and members thought we might want to go for matching dollars on that. Carolyn said she would write the letter supporting it and give Doris some ideas on more money she could go for from her experience writing grants.

Now let me be the first to say that if all of the above-mentioned money is DONATED money or money received due to fundraising by these well-meaning, public-spirited citizens, then bless their hearts and more power to them!!! And if “Dave” is a municipal employee, or if “Mr. Allen” is a public official and either of these people, or any other municipal employees or public officials, may have misled these good-intentioned folks then shame on those who mislead them.

But if any of the above involves public funds, I am simply asking if this is the legal mandate of this public “commission” under the Codified Ordinances of our city. If Council wants to delegate such powers, then DO SO!!! Until such time council has an OBLIGATION to rein in such illegal activities.

Next, I direct your attention to Item 8, The Ash Canopy Restoration Grant legislation, and especially page 144 of 192 of the Workbook, M. Duritsch’s Saff Report on the Subject.

If you paid attention when you read the above, you know that the Tree Commission’s (TC) MAIN DUTY is to ADVISE City Council about trees!!! You also know that the TC:

1. Dave had said she should go for a $3,000/$3,000.

2.Members thought that she should also go for matching funds for the scheduled tree planting in spring which would complete the Breiel project.

3. They expressed and Mr. Allen agreed that we should go for all the money we can if it has already been set aside for the spring planting. Carolyn pointed out that it would also pay for administrative matching dollars.

4. They had set aside for tree planting along the bike trail and members thought we might want to go for matching dollars on that.

However, it certainly doesn’t appear that very much of the TC’s “recommendation” to Council got into the “Staff Report”, does it??? The “Staff Report” says that all of the money will be used at Smith Park!!!

So what is the use of having a “Council Liaison” is he/she fails to “liaise” the Commission’s “advice” back to Council???

And what is the use of having a Tree Commission at all if Council isn’t even going to get to CONSIDER their “advice”???

“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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While discussing Resolution R-2010-42, Councilman (and ATTORNEY) Picard stated that he has: “some serious concerns about the wording of this legislation.” and that it was: “Not nearly specific enough for me…Very vague…”

Councilman (and ATTORNEY) Allen concurred.

Perhaps these two esteemed lawmen, along with City Law Director Landen, should think back to:

September 7 of this year, when City Council passed Ordinance O2010-56, the “new” Historic Preservation ordinance and repealed the OLD Ordinance 1210. In doing so, they also simultaneously abolished the “Council on Landmarks and Historic Districts” that existed under the old ordinance!!! The new ordinance took effect 30 days later, as did the simultaneous abolition of the old ordinance.

The NEW ordinance creates a commission to be known as the “Historic Commission for the City of Middletown” but legislates no mechanism for the appointment of its members. Will these be elected offices or appointed offices??? This sterling piece of legislation was a little VAGUE on the subject, wasn’t it, counselors???

A minor detail, you say???, well, consider this:

As of this date, City Council has taken no action to establish such a mechanism, nor has Council made any attempts to appoint members to such commission.

So who was it that actually voted on this “hood”-winking of the public and issued this “certificate of appropriateness“??? Remember, the OLD commission had been ABOLISHED, effective October 7, 2010!!! It was nothing but a group of people with absolutely NO official or legal standing, trying to force their will on all other Middletonians!!! This group, and any decision or certificate issued by them, has no more legal weight than if it were considered by, say: Randy, Pacman, Hermes, Nagy, VietVet and myself in an on-line poll right here in this forum!!!

I defy anyone to cite any official minutes of any legal authority appointing members of this “Historic Commission” under the authority of the new Ordinance 1210 which took effect on or about October 7, 2010.

This would be no different than six or seven former city commissioners gathering together and deciding to pass some new city ordinances now. They might feel good about it, their hearts might be in the right place, and their intentions might be good, but their FORMER status as city commissioners does NOT give them the authority to enact city legislation acting as City Council members today!!!

And run that by us again about how the “Historic Commission” has authority over using siding in variance of zoning regulations, EVEN THOUGH THE STRUCTURE IS NOT IN ANY HISTORIC DISTRICT, Councilman Picard!!!

Originally posted by danpicard danpicard wrote:

Mr. Presta:

This ordinance only applies to "Historic Districts or Historic Landmarks". Tell me exactly which section of the ordinance states that it applies to "any" property in the City.

Dan Picard

I guess that your MOTION was DENIED by Judge Judy, Counselor. (Or was that Judge Kohler???)

PS: I am available for research at quite reasonable fees.

“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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There was one other item worthy of note at the last council meeting, and that is the proposed development on Commerce Drive by Mr. Robinson and his colleagues.

It appears obvious to me that, once again, certain staff members have tried to roadblock legitimate business development for what appears to be personal preference.

If I had been able, I certainly would have appeared at this public hearing and spoken in support of this development. I find the treatment given these well known and respected businesspeople to be abhorrent.

City Council has now made their direction perfectly clear. If Mr. Kohler, or any other members of city staff (including the City Manager or City Law Director) continue their personal vendettas against this project either during the next application to the Planning Commission or at any other time, they should be summarily discharged (fired) immediately!!!

We must end the impediment of our city’s economic growth due to members of city staff’s personal biases.

“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Presta,
You shouldve posted that tree grant and historic commision stuff before the meeting not after.  Why play 'gotcha'?  Your supposed to help, not just throw stones.
And why didn't you show up to support Lenny and the docs by speaking in favor at the public hearing?  It would've been a small thing to do.
And why didn't you breif Laubauch on labor relations before the meeting instead of leaving him to the wolfs?  Its obvious that noone else is trying to mentor him and you know that stuff.
 
Quit kibitzing and get in the game.
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Some people in this town just don't get it, do they?

From Soundoff in the Journal:

"Regarding Middletown City Council and council member Josh Laubach: Obviously he has shown that he is too immature and too young to be serving on council. He comes up with an idea; everyone in the world says it is a bad idea; but he wants to stick to his guns. That is not a good indicator for a politician. Next election, Josh should be voted out. He is simply too young and too immature for that position". ...

Call in from an AJ Smith follower or union member perhaps? Laubach is the only one, in this case, that demonstrated the correct stance to support this. He seems to be the only one who is concerned about the costs of manpower overwhelming the city financially. Contrary to what this soundoff says, he seems to be the ONLY one that demonstrated maturity. Funny, the only people I heard that thought it was a bad idea where the union boys that showed up from out of town.(none of their dam business by the way) No one from Middletown has said it was a bad idea. Guess the rest of council want to sit there and watch the city go bankrupt due to union demands. Where were you Becker? You're always bringing up the fact that we need to watch what the city spends. Gut 'em all when their time rolls around. No redeemable value to the city.
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Vet, let me add some balance. If Lambuagh knew about Kasish's plan, and prioritization, he easily could have summoned the local tea party representation, a representative from Boehner's office, others. It really made no difference because none of yhese people were from Middletown, or the few that were, were representing their agenda, not the good of the people. It really will have no effect on what happens in Columbus.
 
Hence, you can say Lambaugh took it like a man, ambushed, but manned up, or was pretty dumb for not having some support in the mix giving balance to the spectacle of the union non descripts making fools out of themselves. The others wanted nothing more to levae Lambuagh on an "island" and Ms. Jones and Smith think these union workers will help them at their next election, whatever endeavor and course that to be.
 
When will all learn, council works for the city, not the residents. If Lambaugh was aware of the Kasisch priority, he blew it. He would have had no problem getting a tea party team, a Repub, or others to help him hold down the Alamo, but he was one man standing, a drive-by shooting, that maybe useful inexperience demonstrated.
 
It really didn't matter. At the end of the day, Kasisch will take care of this issue anyway across the state. Its called---lack of cash, associated with a recession that will be moving to double dip next year (food cost rise, gas rise, interim tax cuts that aren't permanent). 
 
Memo to Lambuagh: Next time walking in bad neighborhood after dark, bring some friends, cocked and loaded to take no prisoners. Ambushing and driveby shooting do not make for a hero nor revolt.  
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So you all would feel alright if public safety were to strike? I understand the need to balance the budget and that public safety does take up the majority. However, if the fire union did do as they said and went to the city manager to try and make concessions, I don't think you can say that they are horrible and are breaking the system.
Mr. Laubauch I think saw that his motion was lacking in detail and purpose yet was too stubborn to pull it or vote against it. It's egos like that, that get government into trouble.
Mr. Smith, does have some different ideas and I am in no means saying that he is perfect. But come on people the continued bashing of one side and not the other is just like what is happening in D.C. right now. We need both sides to talk to each other and come to a solution that will do good for all people. I think Mr. Smith has the approach and tries to stay open to all suggestions.
We need to figure out what will do best for the city. Cutting public safety is not the answer. I think the first would to look at some of our city managers hidden agendas to make downtown an "art district!"   
and spending $500,000 to replace all the pavers around the city building when I think concrete would be quite a bit cheaper.
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middie83, sounds like you've taken the same Economics classes that AJ has taken.  No amount of cutting back, even on silly things like the PAC, can make up for the increasing costs of public safety.  That's like companies that won't buy office supplies.
 
AJ's "different ideas" consist of ideas on how to fund unions at the expense of the city.  Throwing more money at police and fire without explaining where the money will come from.
 
I will give him one thing -- maybe it's time for the city to dump Weatherwax for cheap.
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75% of the budget- costs to the city for it's union workers wages and their benefits packages. Union folks usually get 3 percenters in the bargaining negotiations, don't they? Surprised the union went to the city with concessions and the city manager said no?????? Why did she say no? Would be interesting to hear her logic on that.

If the city started cutting some high salaries and bennies packages, would that bring the union folks to the table for some concessions? You union guys take three quarters of the money in the budget. With your ongoing demands and the city getting constantly deeper and deeper in the financial hole as to revenue each year, you can logically assume that the city will, in a few years, reach the point of not having enough money to meet ANY of your demands at the table. What will we do then? You are right, the city gets real stupid, real often, when it comes to spending money in an already stressed budget. Likewise, the unions should understand that they will be the largest target for cuts when they comprise the majority of the budget costs and should know that they will be a target for cutbacks including manpower. Your union environment isn't he only place where people are expected to do more with less people. We've been doing that for a long time in private industry. You're just now experiencing the pain in the workplace as to the concept of doing more with less. JMO
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A city has every legal right to make cuts wherever they desire. The 1980 legisltayive action was a balance (and gift bu Celeste) to have a no strike provision to a right for binding arbitration. The city can purge as many workers as they deem necessary, and I suspect the census will reveal city population has declined. However, now add the additional benefit in population of the wonderful element of Section 8. and its effect on population.
 
An arbitration (panel of three I assume) would evaluate a city's needs for public safety on balance with its budget and other considerations. Why would an arbitration panel rule against a cityor municipality? Probably only when public saftey was undermined by cuts that were deemed ineffective. Would an abritor give more when most entities are cuttingback? Doubtful.
 
The reality is Vet, the city relies heavily upon its own taxation. There is no motivation to cut back in any area, other than the non union employees. This issue will take care of itself, but the Republicans. Its a moot point, and a comical side show recently, but the city wants the empire to stand. If the empire is cut, it is weakended----everywhere. Columbus will take care of this problem, but as spider indicated, the Middletown taxpayer will be left holding the bag on additional taxes with the schools, elsewhere.
 
All this PAC and Cincinnati State stuff is just to show the residents something is being done. By doing so, the city then can say, we just need more time, and more money, to get this really rolling. So, lets get ready to tumble, 2.25% tax rate, and man, is life good again. They have the ward system taken care of, have the "go to" team in place to sing rah, rah, we got to turn this corner.
 
No hard ball here, but no worries, Kasisch will take care of these problems, including the school system. Can't wait to see the voucher plan unveiled for private school alternatives. No one in the public sector will ever give up a benefit Vet. Would you like names of double/ triple dippers running the county departments?
 
As for Smith, he just took a megaphone out and was yelling to his union Democratic buddies, I need a job. Believe me, he did more harm by his actions, than good---he just doesn't know it yet. But he will, Soon. 
 
No one needs the city to do anything, just use the link wasteful provided, and lobby the state. They get it. Middletown doesn't.    
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If you went to your boss (private sector world,) and asked for a 3% raise and they said "ok we can do that." Would you then turn around and say never mind forget it. When was the last time a city union went to arbitration? The city (city manager and law director) have agreed to these raises and then the contracts were voted on by past council. So again how do you blame unions on this one?? Also did you know when union employees retire they don't get social security as private sector employees do??
Kaisisch has all the answers and has come to answer our prayers. Lets start by giving back millions of dollars and potential jobs!!
So I ask you all again what would you do to fix all of this??? I'm listening to a whole lot of complaining yet no potential solutions.....
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acclaro: also please explain the harm that was done by Smith. I again state I do not agree with everything that he has said or stands for, same goes for all of the current council members. Some more then others.
You want a white collar, private sector place to live??? Move to New York or California. Ohio is and always will be a blue collar, get your hands dirty state. Drop the party lines and work together to fix all of this!!
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Being a union member is not the reason they do not qualify for social security.  City employees do not pay into SS - they pay into PERS. 

My feelings about Smith was he made this into a 3 ring circus.  He is a council member - he should have showed respect (clapping was not professional in this venue).  What I saw was a lack of debate - I would love to see Smith sit down and debate the issue with Laubach.  Smith is in it for his own personal gain, looking out to be a firefighter and a political career.  However I do not see his political career going any furhter.
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m83, Kasich has a plan to take care of alll this, including the schools.Retirement age will be raised for PERS and OPERS, although some grandfathering. He'll take care of these nooded raises, as you said, city manager and law director love it, because they don't want their perks impacted, but the resdients won't stand for it further. AK execs were the first to cut back their bennies and sure as heck weren't going to give the union more.
 
What would I do. Puige the city manager, worthless position, hire a FTE mayor, outsource every function within city possible, downsize police, throw more cash to Jones to have county pick up offset, and downsize firedepartrment, and offset with volunteers.
 
The unions have significant damage repair on their hands---they'll figure it out soon enough.
 
Bobbie- A+, spot on with summary.  
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Additional actions:
 
1) Sell Weatherwax
2) Sell airport
3) Outsource everything that legally can be
4) Get out of real estate business
5( Remove cameras
6) Term limits of two years on council members, like Congress.
7) Put residents interests first before city employees and manahement.
8) Consolidate many city school functions such as PR spokesperson, eliminate 7-8 psychologists, and the multiple layers of assistant principals and assistant superintendants.
9) Implement state wide educational voucher program as alternative for parents.
  
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Acclaro,
      These are important and great suggestions. I hope you will keep them foremost in everyones mind and not let them be forgotten, especially in the next two years. I hope they will be discussed and debated and acted upon.
       Thank you.
       Paul Nagy
 
 
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Thank you Mr. Nagy. These ides and concepts have been out there routinely for consumption for uite some time, we now have the opportunity associated with the Republican leadership whom seem to have their act togther (state not local) to carve down  the beast called public service which is ruining countries, states, cities.
 
Mr. Smith may think he won a political battle by his pronouncement, but his rhetoric is quite shallow and will not resonate to Columbus. Governor elect kasisch has declared a major priority will be to remove the strike option AND the binding arbitration provision. Middletown's leaders never move on these items because they like having the benefits and all the goodies that come with the "package" as much as a union individual. Their wake up call will be sounding soon.
 
Pretty good analogy spiderjohn had on Mr. Lambaugh bringing the 800 lb elephant to the room, without any support, while AJ Smith blindly, used it as a forum to shore up his state ambitions. It failed.
 
Just write the state, such as Tim Reynolds, Kasisch, and DEMAND these incredible wasteful policies change. Change is coming. Not by the residents in the city, but a state driven mandate.    
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middie 83- you don't get Social Security because YOU DON"T PAY INTO IT. do you? You have another type of retirement program that you contribute to,don't you? What's the difference, we're both putting money away for a retirement that we may or may not enjoy, right? I've been paying into the dam SS system for 40+ years and by the time I will have retired, I will have paid into it for 50 years. I should get some of the frikkin' money back they forcibly took, on an involuntary basis each payday from my paycheck, right? How do I blame unions? Easy. We all know the predicament the city is in financially. Even you union people must have a clue that times are hard for EVERYONE- union people, non-union people, public sector people, private sector people, etc. I have worked for eight companies from 400 employees (Crane Plastics) to 7000 employees (Mobay Chemical) to 100,000 employees (P&G) and I have NEVER gone in to ask my boss for a 3% raise. I have never asked for a raise at all. If a raise was going to be given, it was at the discretion of the company, when they decided to give you one and how much that you were to receive, if any. There is no negotiations at raise time in the private sector. You waited and were handed your raise and effective date of the raise. That's it. Clean and simple. You ain't listening to a whole lot of complaining. You are listening to some people trying to get you to understand that the union stance is one of greed at a time when the city can least afford it and an economy that is making a wreck out of everyone's life right now. Everyone must reel in demands and cost, even unions who sometimes indicate they are special and don't have to tighten the belts a little now. Unions were good many years ago as a counterbalance to unfair labor practices by company management. They have lost their way and now act too big for their britches, sometimes telling the employer/company owners how it's going to be. Ain't gonna work anymore. Companies are bringing in scabs, forcing early retirements for the union hardliners and squeezing the unions out and replacing them with lower paying/lower wage non-union workers. Unions are slowly becoming obsolete and loosing support from the general populace because they are viewed as greedy and unyielding. That's what I have seen since the 50's.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote acclaro Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec 10 2010 at 7:28pm
Solution (Help Is On Its Way) In Spite Of Middletown's Resistance...(Kasich)
 
 
 
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Last year I was told that ONLY three people could speak on a given topic at a council meeting.
Hmmm….How many stood and spoke the night they were discussing PAC?
Hmmm…,How many Union people spoke Tuesday night.
Well...I guess I must be special since Landen Law only applies to me…Ermm.                                                                                               
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Everyone has mentioned how Josh had a beat down,at least he held his head up and took it like a man.The rest of the SPINELESS Council people had there heads between their legs.If I was them I think I would be embarresed as hell for allowing someone from a different town come in and  tell them how they should run the city.Again A.J. and the rest of the spineless council  do us all a favor and resign.You have embaressed this city one to many times.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Vivian Moon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec 11 2010 at 8:19am

Well said Mr Nagy

Without Anita Scott Jones the citizens of
Middletown would have no voice.
I like her because she is willing to ask the hard questions no matter who is on the hot seat. And while we are talking about hot seats…I was not happy about Miss Judy not getting the numbers that Anita requested for the budget. I thought Judy said we were going to clean up the budget… therefore the shell game will continue.

The AJ situation was over the top.

In the words of my grandfather “he just wasted his powder” on this issue.

….and then we had the vacation of the property on the East End.
Mercy...this was difficult to watch.
This entire situation has been an embarrassment to our city.
The planning meetings and the royal screw ups by Mr. Kohler with the east end project over the past year have been a joke.
Then we have the big fight over the sign and a criminal law suite.  
The city lost and Miss Judy appealed the ruling therefore wasting more of the tax payer’s money. (Landen said Miss Judy made him do it)
….however this was not enough for Miss Judy.
She was just hell bent to show Mr.  Robinson who had the real power and therefore she put the east end property up for sale because “staff believes it has value”.
This action had nothing to do with value...it did however have everything to do with her personal vendetta against Mr. Robinson. (and I know about vendettas)
Let us not forget that this is the same person that has never put a single property in
Middletown up for sale…the same person involved in the give away of every building downtown over the past six months. And now property has value?? LOL
Miss Judy is now concerned about the coffers of
Middletown?

Miss Judy and Mr Kohler have now become a liability to our city.
They have become the shinning poster examples of “Business Unfriendly”.

Miss Judy’s contract is up for review after the first of the year.
It is time for her to go.

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Hopefully IF she goes she will take her puppets with her.LOL
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