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Originally posted by vannestmom vannestmom wrote:

concerned u dont need to know who i am. who are you?!?!? im who you all want me to be.  all i know is im being attacked for defending AJ when it wasnt him that was the source of the problem in the first place. it was robinette!!! just like the prior  postin of the police report said. if i  was the problem then they would have come to his house and questioned him. im sure they know where he lives!!! leave this MAN alone!!!! let him conduct the buisness of the city that people elected him to do!!!!
Speaking of Robinette, doesn't say much for his girlfriend when he is out in the streets liquored up asking other women to strip down naked.
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Let him conduct the business of the people,how is this possible when he can't even conduct his own conduct.
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Traffic on MUSA is on fire and everyone is watching us, but that aside here are my thoughts as a citizen of Middletown and a tax payer, when it comes to Aj and this whole fiasco. 

 

I think Aj was wrong in his actions that night as far as the words he chose to use. I also think that he has made some decisions that have lead to other police involved issues that were not the smartest around. And with that said I think he should take any and all criticism that comes his way because of it. Should he resign or be asked too? I guess that is up to the people that feel that his actions are so detrimental and so out of line that he is not good for the city. Again that is personal choice for everyone to make on there on.   

 

If people want to show up and ask him to step down that is there right and again he should have to sit there and listen to every word. I will agree that people make mistakes in life and most of us have, but we also had to pay for those mistakes.

 

I think the issue is far deeper than Aj though and problems with this city run higher up the food chain than him or other council members. If you really want to see some change in the city building and if you do decide to go to tomorrows meeting and speak out against Aj, make sure you turn around and face some others in the room and ask them to do the same or ask council to get rid of them. Getting rid of one council member is not going to change much if anything at all. Again this is just my opinion and nothing more.

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WoW so now he's a the new sherriff Confused lord help us...Disapprove 
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Vannest, if the "future" consists of a young immature fool who likes pretend he's a leader and union thug while having no higher education and no job, all while spending one half of his time on council to ask silly questions and the other half trying to raise up his skirt to show some leg to the fire union, then I want no part of the future!
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so, now AJ is the new sheriff in town? Really!!! He is council member thats it!! When you and figure that out we willall be alot better off. How many chances do you give someone?
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Vmom, people aren't lucky, they work for the things they want, you shoud try it. People are not picking on your boy AJ, he has brought all of this on himself. If you put as much effort into looking for a job as you do taking up for him maybe you could get off section 8.
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lets get back to the topic and stop all of the name calling. randy u are right to not ban people who disagree. that is what makes this site better than the journal. they jus shut down. does any one know why?Confused i will continue to speak for the people who cant speak here even if we dont all agree.  i just think that this man deserves another try he represents the future not the past old boys club and this is y i think a lot of people are mad. they cant have it like they used to while A.J. is around and this makes them mad that a new sherriff is in town!!!
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Nor did I apologize

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bobbie i no you dont want me to b real. how could i be real right im not like you i dont live like you can but that dont make me fake. u and the others on this site dont like any one who dont think like you do so u try and label people fake. u know whats fake?  the way u treat people who arent as lucky as you all have been thats whats fake!!!!! 
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Arizona and the politics of violence has absolutely no association with AJ Smith and his theatrics, nor did it play a part in Tuscon. Madness is madness, immaturity is immaturity.

I did not apologize---I stated your misunderstanding of the reference to "taken out" was meant, he needed to go. I assuredly hope city council or the citizens will put him on such a path this week. The drama associated with this young man is frankly, beyond pale, and acceptable behavior.
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Vannest Mom - count it out this is a 3rd chance.  Personally I like 3 strikes your out. 
 
And just to state my opinion - Vannest I don't think you are what you say you are. 
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i just want to take the time while everyone is apologizing to say that acclaro and randy i accept your apologyClap. acclaro we all just need to keep in mind what just happened in ariZona. words means things and people will sometimes act on those words. A.J. is receiving threatening text messages. i hope everyone on here would be againist this. like it or not i live in the same town as you and my opinion counts just as much as yours. i just hope people give this MAN a second chance nobody is perfect right?!?!?!Approve
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sj, no need to pounce on you. You make far greater contributions to Middletown, than anyone could levy criticism. You are exactly correct: many commit youthful indiscretions which are part of youth. My issues with Mr. Smith are not associated with anincidence of drinking, but a pattern of behavior which is beginning to add up over time, to become a concern.
 
The rally with the union workers was wrong, the other issues with a stop sign that he just stumbled on, after hour mingling which is fine, but led to an outburst. Such incidents become public, and hurt Middletown in many ways, in conjunction with the decisions made by council and leadership. There are no underlining racial tones nor motivation. Simply put- he needs to grow up and gain a level of maturity. Its not about him, its about the city and what he represents.
 
With your facilitation, we are reminded how much art we already have available in Middletown. Bravo to you for illuminating that fact. 
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I understand the feelings of everyone responding.

At no time have I condoned or defended any of the activities referenced or in question. I strongly dislike that kind of conduct, and fully expect the consequences to run the natural course. I will never defend drunken or insulting/demeaning behavior public or private. I have heard pretty much every detail of the other evening from pretty much every perspective. Didn't have to ask anyone. A crappy situation brought on un-necessairily and fueled by alcohol. Just glad that nothing far worse happened. Those involved will pay a price, believe me--deservedly. Hopefully it can be left behind for a much improved direction.
 
I'll just leave it that my thinking bothers some, just as some thinking bothers me.
 
No Bobbie--I wouldn't think that Dr.King would be happy with much of the discourse in this thread, or the actions that led to this discourse. And to be happening so long after his message and sacrifice. Just saddening. Please reflect on the message of the day, and how it should be the message of everyday. We shouldn't need a national holiday to experience equality, dignity and sensitive treatment of others.
 
Everything runs it's course.
Everything is finite--nothing stays the same or lasts forever.
This forum is what it is, and probably shouldn't be the only sounding board in the area, though it has been a wonderful source of information, debate and concept.
 
jmo---pounce if you choose.
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Spider, I am a little bothered by your post. I think you of all people know that I have never "outted" someone, even if I threaten to do so. I will put with anyone telling me to "do my job" I have one boss thats the man that signs my check each week. I did let mom get under my skin sure. But I am tired of people complaining about things that are said on this site. This poster is or was mad over something not even said to them or about them. I let many things go on this site that could be against the rules, but when I do that and someone says something someone doesn't like the cry to me. You cant have it both ways, either you want free speech here or you want me to enforce rules and delete peoples post.
 
 
As for the comment of a new forum, "spiders web" sounds good to me. Big%20smile
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WOW SPIDER - it really saddens me reading your post.  I do agree that individuals going out after a meeting is their personal business.  However it became public when the police had to be called.  I as a mother of a teenage driver I will not condone anyone of any age to act in the behavior that AJ did. Applebees is not just a local bar  - it is a restaraunt that families also attend.  Do you think it is appropriate for anyone to leave hastily with an open container?  What if someone was hurt, would you change your tune?  It does not make it right just because no one was. 
 
AJ is 21.  I am assuming he has been out of high school for 3 years - which means he probably still has friends that could be in school.  He had the opportunity to be a stand up guy and a role model for the youth.  What kind of example is he setting for the Middletown youth?  Personally if he was my kid I would take him out to the wood shed. 
 
You talk about MLK speeches in your post - don't hardly think he would be proud of AJ today. 
 
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With A.J.running wild in the city doing what he please's takes away from the rest of council focusing on the real problems of this town.Smile
He just needs to either step down or forced out IMO.
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spiderjohn, I compliment and applaud your efforts to focus upon the true art which does exist in Middletown. Your efforts are appreciated.
 
I agree with your comments about the true issues of council, but I also state it is my belief, Mr. Smith has shown an chronic pattern of behavior which shows immaturity and tendency to blame or coverup. We do have enough problems already in the city, but the fact he is a council person making statements about coming across a "fallen stop sign", and taking care of matters clearly is an attempt to resolve issues where he was involved.
 
I have a belief PAC will not succeed, and the CS deal has minor consequences. Its nice students can attend cooking school, but can't see how Middletown benefits from the Manchester involvement, in the sense how much revenue will be derived from students or staff, cooking for the public. Is the Inn going to be run for hospitality as well? No one seems to know.
 
Fully support sj.com as a forum, said that before many time.    
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honestly saddens me to read the personal insults and nastiness flying around here.
y'all get more upset over the local "guys gone wild" episode than the real crucial issues coming before Council and Admin. As a veteran of the former local bar scene(I retired from it over 25 years ago after being as obnoxious as anyone), this goes on every night locally somewhere(and was far more crazy long ago). If a couple of locals(regardless of position or status) want to get loaded and hit on barroom women(the lady involved was well-acquainted), that is their business. If they act up and get in trouble from it, that is their business, and the consequences that follow. Do I condone these drunken actions? Absolutely not!
 
Now we have our hosts threatening to out people and ban certain chosen names from posting. Pretty much defeats the whole purpose of this forum and smacks of the same silencing policy used by the MJ and city leaders. Un-acceptable from any angle. Maybe it is time for a new forum to be established.
Spider's Web??? lol
 
Once again you get distracted from the important happenings in the big picture.
Little to no response on important city issues that will be discussed and legislated next Tuesday.
 
And all of this on MLK week-end.
Please take the time today to read a few of Dr.King's great speeches.
They are brilliant and timeless.
A way of life beneficial to everyone, and very relavant to the tone and negativity currently running rampant on this web site. Don't be caught up in the feeding frenzy just because you can smell a little blood in the stream. Distance yourself by taking the high road towards understanding and forgiveness. Give it a chance to work instead of attacking then going to the defensive.
 
Live "The Dream"
 
And by all means attend the Punch Brothers show at MUM this up-coming Sunday at 7:30pm
Support your local "Arts"!
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AJ you are perfect example of what is wrong with young people today, you are a perfect example of NOT being taught right from wrong.. you are perfect example who NOT to vote  for public office...you are a perfect example of NOT a way to talk to the ladies, you are a perfect example on NOT the way you should act in public, you are a perfect example of a politician  breaking rules and laws, you are a perfect example of a council person that needs to resign or  removed by the people
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The deliberate attempt to use a smokescreen associated with Tuscon and politically correct phraseolologyis beyond comprehension. I knew how much hyperbole AJ Smith interjected into his alleged text message incident, I just made reference to the fact council needs to take him out of office. Its not even the responsibility of the  citizens. He also needs to be taken out to a woodshed, and paddled with his immaturity.
 
To our host MiddletownUSA, there was no intent to advocate  violence be used as a remedy against Smith's immaturity and actions which have taken the place of Laura Williams. I knew Smith and his handlers would decry "victim". Its time for the drama queen to stop, and it city council needs to take him out of office for his immaturity and negativity reflective upon Midlletown and leadership.  
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Originally posted by Bobbie Bobbie wrote:

Well he admitted to cussing at the waitress that went to the parking log to collect for the bill.  A man would have said I am sorry, I thought Mr Robinette was paying for it,  then paid for the bill.  Instead he insighted a confrontation which resulted in the police being called - had he been a man, they would not have called the police and we would not be talking about this today.
 
A real man would have told his buddy to lay off the girl that he was telling to strip.  He is guilty by association for being present and not stopping Robinette from making a fool of the city. 
 
A real man would have told his sister not to go over to the girls house where you know it was going to be heated.  AJ is not the law - he had no right to go there and try to protect his sister the way he did.  What he should have done is call the police to meet him there rather then take the law into his own hands. 
 
To sum it up for you Vannestmom - all of these incidents had to do with women - and they all happened with in a 6 month period.  Not good a record if you ask me.
 
 
 
 
 
 
ClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClap...Hit the nail on the head.One of these days "YOUR MAN" will say something or do something to a women and either they or their BF or Husband will knock the hell out of the loud mouth.LOL
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what proof do you have other than some fake article in the paper no one reads that he has been mean to women in words or deeds?!?!?!?!?  hey stupid!!!!! this is the police report..She advised that MR. SMITH
got up from the bar with a beer in each hand and started to leave. She told him he had to pay and
that he couldn't leave with the beers. He refused to pay or give her the beers and said, "f**k you."
She told him that she would call the law and he stated, "l am the law." He put one beer down before
leaving, however kept the other one with him as he Ieft, got in his car, and drove off quickly. sounds like an AJ smack down to a women to me.. A REAL MAN would have asked why do i owe this im sure the lady would have expain this, A REAL MAN  then would have paid for it then left a tip..but your boy AJ used  the hood punk style on this lady and broke laws leaving this place.. 
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Well he admitted to cussing at the waitress that went to the parking log to collect for the bill.  A man would have said I am sorry, I thought Mr Robinette was paying for it,  then paid for the bill.  Instead he insighted a confrontation which resulted in the police being called - had he been a man, they would not have called the police and we would not be talking about this today.
 
A real man would have told his buddy to lay off the girl that he was telling to strip.  He is guilty by association for being present and not stopping Robinette from making a fool of the city. 
 
A real man would have told his sister not to go over to the girls house where you know it was going to be heated.  AJ is not the law - he had no right to go there and try to protect his sister the way he did.  What he should have done is call the police to meet him there rather then take the law into his own hands. 
 
To sum it up for you Vannestmom - all of these incidents had to do with women - and they all happened with in a 6 month period.  Not good a record if you ask me.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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