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Stanky 
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 Topic: Bill Becker TRIPLE DipperPosted: Jul 21 2011 at 5:33pm |
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If I lived in Deerfield Twp I would be dismayed at spending $117,000 on an administrator. Seems excessive to me.
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spiderjohn
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Posted: Jul 21 2011 at 9:50am |
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Per the words of the legendary Huddie Ledbetter:
You can go to your college
You can go to your school
Sometimes that just makes you
An educated fool
That's all
Hey Rick S--a few of we "unwashed" appreciate classic poetry also!
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acclaro
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Posted: Jul 21 2011 at 7:26am |
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Mr. Nagy, excellent point. Bill gates and Mark Z. from facebook fame, and worth about $25 bb left Harvard without earning a degree. I simply meant in the context of Bill Becker and working for the county in particular, albeit Butler or Warren, it doesn't take much to land a top position. Bill Becker benefitted from being in the military, adding points to his application and his testing. He was tight with Middletown's mini Vatican community. Throw in nancy Nix and other council members who wanted to give him a gift of cit manager, so he could get that nice bump so many public servants get as they aproach retirement, adding about $20,000 annually to his "calculation". He then pops into Warren County, when he wasn't a serious contender for the EMS position in the same county he worked for many years, but landed the same position in Warren County, with absolutely no experience in EMS, other than knowing the functionality of a dispatcher. Next, although his impact was limited and rather dismal while a city manager, with the gift of the extra bump by his Vatican friends on council, he can't get the levy passed, what a surpise. Then he fills in as interim city manager based upon a three year track record in Middletown which was certainly by any standard, unremarkable. Add to this the lack of a degree when the richest county in Warren is mason (Deerfield Townshipj, where his predessor mas a marked man before he arrived, not being within the inner "political" circle. Commonsense had nothing to do with his appointments in these positions, and the vast majority within city management do possess a MA or MS in Public Administration. The degree was not holding him back, and commonsense did not propel his advancement. Other factors played a role, a link to John Boehner, aka Xavier University and a family of eleven, was pivotol. That trumped a degree and commonsense.
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Paul Nagy
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Posted: Jul 21 2011 at 6:39am |
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There was a guy who wanted the letters behind his name and he worked very hard and finally got his Doctor of Divinity degree. From thence forth he had placed on his office door for all the world to see:
FIDDLE D. D.
A degree is important. It represents and ackowledges (in most case) a period of focused learning and hard work in a certain field. Those who make the effort are entitled to the degree and the recognition.
However, what a person does or doesn't do with that learning in a practical sense makes a lot of difference.
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VietVet
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Posted: Jul 21 2011 at 6:31am |
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"What college education (and up) teaches is not to do a task but to think, to analyze, to evaluate, to present a business planaa in front of a board, etc." And non-degreed people can't do the same thing? They can think, can analyze, evaluate and the only reason they aren't asked to present a business plan in front of the board is because that is an opportunity for middle management to shine in front of the VIP's of the company and to be on stage for that next promotion. It is a suck-up opportunity for middle management to play the corporate game in front of the big wigs. Middle management isn't going to give the presentation to the lower echelon when they can use it for a promotion opportunity. Saw it all the time at P&G, the epitome of the corporate game of "climbing the ladder while you step on the backs of your people to lift you up". Disgusting behavior. Disgusting company culture internally. |
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VietVet
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Posted: Jul 21 2011 at 6:18am |
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Unbelievable Marianne! You are connected with MUM in an educational capacity....probably a prof. The educational community is the epitome of putting degree labels on importance and you happen to be a member of that community. We talk about degrees in the teaching profession all the time. Your reply about the importance of a degree is the ultimate irony IMO. If your statement is true about "silly little letters after your name", why does both the private and public working world hold them in such high esteem? I have worked for and around many "educated people" in the technical centers at P&G and International Paper, and, trust me, some of these degreed people didn't have the common sense to come in out of the rain. Sometimes, being over-educated with multiple layers of college gets you a ticket to the land of illusion as to logical thinking. |
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Richard Saunders
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Posted: Jul 21 2011 at 4:52am |
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Prithee, tell
us what these great thinkers with all of their lofty degrees have done for our
fair city lately? Learned
barristers such as Messrs. Adkins and Landen have done nothing but help to lead
our once proud city down the road to ruin, luring scoundrels to city hall, and
the poorest of the poor to suck from our communal teat. Well-degreed
miscreants such as Messrs. Kohler and
Mulligan have assured our community that no sane businessman would even attempt
to either ply a trade or engage in commerce within the metes and bounds of
this municipality, and have schemed to pilfer the tax man’s pouch for their own
gain. Highly
educated hooligans such as Ms. Gilleland have easily been hoodwinked by sly
suitors, only to end up party to shenanigans certain to drive the final nails
into our municipal coffin. Nay, give me
those souls who are blessed with common sense, and who have become educated by life
and its school of hard lessons. Give me
those who are honest, and have the character to put the good of the many before
the good of the few, the gnarled men who have run the good race and fought the
good fight, who have both won and lost but have learned that putting virtue
before their own fortunes is the greatest reward. Such an
education as that is worth one hundred—nay, ten thousand—times as much as any
fading sheepskin scribbled upon by some long forgotten, bribed academic, who
most likely knew only that the recipient of that scrap of paper had someone pay
his or her tab. A pox on
those with degrees, but who have used their store-bought knowledge only for
selfish ends and to the detriment of their fellow citizens. |
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Neil Barille
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Posted: Jul 20 2011 at 9:05pm |
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You may be correct if you are literally doing a "task" as you say. Turning wrenches, answering the phones, putting up a DirecTV dish, and even advanced work done in labs, doctor's offices, and tax preparers are all "tasks". What college education (and up) teaches is not to do a task but to think, to analyze, to evaluate, to present a business plan in front of the board, etc.
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Neil Barille
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Posted: Jul 20 2011 at 9:00pm |
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[Who cares about what degrees Becker does or doesn't have? More importantly, who cares about what degrees you may or may or not have ? They're just silly letters after your name and don't have anything to do with competence to perform a task.[/QUOTE]
Spoken like someone without higher education. Why do you think doctors have to go to college and med school...or lawyers...or engineers....or
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acclaro
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Posted: Jul 20 2011 at 8:55pm |
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Many would disagree Marianne, such as Marcia Andrew, ESQ., It shows you have an ability to thnk and have a competency, other than "commonsense". In the public sector, you are probably right. You can be a secretary and rise to treasurer, ergo, the new Middletown transfer from Monroe, and so many other examples, BCHD head, 2X DIPPER, and of course, Bill Becker. I will agree with one public servant---Sonny Lewis in Franklin. A great guy and a great leader.
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Marianne
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Posted: Jul 20 2011 at 8:22pm |
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Who cares about what degrees Becker does or doesn't have? More importantly, who cares about what degrees you may or may or not have ? They're just silly letters after your name and don't have anything to do with competence to perform a task. |
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acclaro
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Posted: Jul 20 2011 at 7:54pm |
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The trustees of Deerfield as mentally challenged as city council in my opinion. All it took was : 1) Is the man breathing, yes or no.
2) Was the man working in some capacity in Warren Cty, yes or no.
3) Is he a registered Republican and tight with the Ohio Republican Party, yes or no.
4) Do we have to pay him benefits yes or no, while we have two years to replace him.
What a sad and disgusting state of affairs in Ohio, and Deerfield Township. All that was needed were "connections". Gosh, why did I not get that Masters in Public Administration than a useless MBA. Oh... BB doesn't have a degree.
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Posted: Jul 20 2011 at 6:29pm |
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From the MJ:
Becker hired as new Deerfield administratorFormer Warren County Emergency Services director will assume township duties on Aug. 1.By Denise G. Callahan 5:53 PM Wednesday, July 20, 2011 DEERFIELD TWP. — The ink on former township administrator Dave Duckworth’s resignation was barely dry when trustees offered the job to Warren County Emergency Services Director Bill Becker. Township trustees sealed a two-year deal with Becker on Tuesday. Becker will earn $110,000 a year, which is up from his county salary of $71,400. Trustee Board President Pete Patterson said Becker is a good fit for the township. “We at the township were fortunate to have somebody like Bill Becker come back and join us, with his skills and abilities” he said. “He is going to be a really good addition to our staff.” Patterson reached out to Becker after Duckworth’s resignation was tendered July 8. Becker will assume his duties at the township on Aug. 1. Becker, who is also Middletown’s vice mayor, served as interim administrator before for the township after Dan Evers resigned in 2009. He took over as Warren County’s emergency services director after Frank Young was ousted in March of last year. Duckworth said he was resigning his $117,500 position for health and personal reasons. Patterson said there was no rift between Duckworth and the trustees. Trustees hired a national search firm to find a new administrator after Evers left. Duckworth joined the township in April 2010. Becker said he could have probably stayed on at the township, but he thought the move to the county was best at that time. “They were doing a search and when this job came up, for a lot of reasons at the time I thought it was the best move,” he said. “Obviously things did not work out with Duckworth and they liked what I was doing there before, and I liked it so it seemed to be the right thing to do.” The trustees also approved a separation agreement with Duckworth on Tuesday that included nine weeks pay or approximately $20,334. Trustee Dan Corey said Becker’s tenure with the county will bring added value to the township. “We are fortunate he did spend some time up at Warren County,” Corey said. “He got to know the folks up there and he is going to bring relationships he established up there back to our community.” |
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Middletown29
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Posted: Jul 18 2011 at 4:26pm |
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Seems Becker is at it again. This time he definitely has a conflict. Bet his inside man Les Landon will help him keep he council seat.
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VietVet
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Posted: May 26 2011 at 12:04pm |
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Well, the "double-dipper" saga continues, just not in Middletown this time.....
Journal story Township rehires retiring employee Clearcreek Twp. Administrator Dennis Picket, set to retire July 31, will return Oct. 3. After 26 years as township administrator and 35 years in local government, Pickett, who earned about $91,200 in 2010, will retire July 31, entitling him to retirement payments of about $5,000 a month. Wednesday’s vote means he will be rehired Oct. 3 for two years and paid $82,500 the first year, $85,000 the second year. In addition, he will receive a monthly $275 car allowance and up to $5,000 a year in a retirement savings plan, as well as full health insurance and a $50,000 term life insurance policy A great job/retirement situation if you can get it. Ridiculous..... Kinda explains the reasons for the indignation/hatred of public officials and there little games played, whether the public likes it or not. The people in office voting to rehire these double-dippers don't seem to care about public opinion nor the repercussions of these decisions. Perhaps we voters need to remember their names at election time and tell them they are no longer needed in office. |
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Mike_Presta
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Posted: Apr 09 2011 at 11:57pm |
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OK , but I'll likely be late...around 7.
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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TonyB
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Posted: Apr 09 2011 at 10:42pm |
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Mr. P, Since I live in Mr Smith's ward, I'll just meet you there.
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Mike_Presta
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Posted: Apr 09 2011 at 9:54pm |
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Believe it or not, I just made another appointment for 6 pm Tuesday. Also, Councilman Smith's "Coversation with Council" is Tuesday evening.
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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TonyB
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Posted: Apr 09 2011 at 9:13pm |
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Mr. P Evening is not a problem for me. How about 7PM on Tuesday at the library?
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Mike_Presta
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Posted: Apr 09 2011 at 7:04pm |
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Mr. B,
I prefer evenings, but if it will help the city I will make the sacrifice.
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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TonyB
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Posted: Apr 09 2011 at 6:01pm |
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Mr. P,
How about the library, noon, on Tuesday? I don't drive right now so the downtown area is most convenient for me.
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Mike_Presta
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Posted: Apr 09 2011 at 5:43pm |
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As to place, anywhere in Middletown would be fine with me. As to time, Friday evenings after six and Monday evenings after eight are difficult. This would seem to rule out PAC, as my understanding is that they are only open to the public one Friday evening per month. Also, due to health reasons, I cannot stroll around and talk (at least not for a very long). The library would be fine, assuming we could use one of the meeting rooms so that we could talk without disturbing other patrons who may wish to read or study. Any of Middletown’s restaurants or taverns would also be okay with me. I am retired, so it would be easy for me to accommodate your schedule outside of the Monday and Friday evening periods that I mentioned above. |
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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TonyB
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Posted: Apr 09 2011 at 8:01am |
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Mr.Presta,
Thanks for the post: I did read and absorb the threads you recommended. I seem to be fortunate about reading and comprehension; I believe that's why I did well in school.
I would be more than willing to meet with you to discuss this matter. The time would be at your convenience; as to the place, somewhere downtown would be best for me, the library or perhaps the newest and the hip place to meet, the PAC. I'll leave it to you and I will take your suggestion and re-read the material posted.
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Mike_Presta
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Posted: Apr 08 2011 at 11:59pm |
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Mr. B,
You posted this less than two hours after I posted the links above. With all due respect, and with absolutely no offense intended, I doubt if that was enough time to actually read and absorb the multitude of verbose posts included in the lengthy threads represented by those links. I think that much of the information that you request is included within said posts.
Now I am a poor typist, so I am not inclined to re-type the answers to all of your questions. However, you seem like a sincere and interested individual, so I would be willing to meet with you and answer your questions and explain anything in as great as detail as your desire and my memory allow, if you would prefer that to sifting through those threads. (I realize that there are several long posts that cite sections of the Ohio Revised Code--ORC--and other side bar type discussions that may have clouded the points in which you might have been most interested.)
I am open as to time and location of such a meeting.
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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TonyB
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Posted: Apr 08 2011 at 7:54am |
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acclaro - thanks for the info. I was under the assumption that a Political Action Committee could be organized at any level. It's the tax status that makes it attractive to those who wish to influence our federal officials. The question about MMF membership was really about whether it was an open or closed group. I do agree that you do not have to be a gifted orator to follow directions or vote as ordered. At some point, however; you have to put a public face to your actions. My contention was that they didn't do a very good job of candidate training. Of course, if you have enough campaign money, you can overcome a lot.
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