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sassygirl, I have a hard time believing the MCSD does not have a curriculum based on the Ohio tests. You sound like one of the many parents who tend to blame everything on the schools and teachers rather than helping your child study and holding them to a high standard. Back away from the video games, kids!
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chmoore, a couple points on your comment. First, isn't the mandate for your Master's degree something bargained for by your union? Who pushed for that ...the state? I doubt it. Probably something the union pushed for as a way to enhance incomes over a career.

I'm not sure what private sector jobs you are referring to but I'm not aware of anyone getting a COLA raise (Social Security recipients maybe?). Most people get a merit-based raise of, at most, 3%. And those raises have been gone for a couple years now. And profit-sharing is a fairly limited form of income. I'm not aware of many people who participate in this other than AK union members.

As for the sense of getting a Master's, it seems to me that the onus should be on you to show data proving that an advanced degree matters at all in the classroom. I don't have evidence to back my point but I recall reading major articles on education that have referenced that successful teachers performance has little to do with getting a Master's. Why don't we implement a system where the extra pay is given to the best teachers rather than handed out based on the Master's degree?
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To sick of the bull...It's none of your business, (how my kids did on the benchmark tests. My point is that the

Definition of TEACH is

1a : to cause to know something <taught them a trade> b : to cause to know how <is teaching me to drive> c : to accustom to some action or attitude <teach students to think for themselves> d : to cause to know the disagreeable consequences of some action <I'll teach you to come home late>2: to guide the studies of3: to impart the knowledge of <teach algebra> 4a : to instruct by precept, example, or experience b : to make known and accepted 5: to conduct instruction regularly in <teach school>

Something is missing in Middletown classrooms. Teachers are teaching what they want to teach, not what they should be teaching for kids to pass the tests. I help my kids with their homework. I also have looked at the old tests on the state website, I don't see where the homework they get connects with the state tests. If kids are not learning what the state wants them to know, teachers are not doing their jobs.

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Stanky: regardless of who mandates that they must get a masters degree, the fact is that they cannot teach unless they are working toward that goal.  It's mandated, not optional.  In the private sector, an employee will--until the current economic downturn---get a COLA raise, along with other performance bonuses, profit-sharing, etc.  Further, your analogy to an unending annuity is false.   The pay increments may be $1,500 a year difference in pay, but during a 30 year career, they just equal the original $45,000 "investment."  What lineof work are you in, and would you be willing to spend $45,000 in 5 years to get a master's degree?  I would certainly think that you would expect some sort of pay-increase for that effort.   Also, and most importantly, what study are you referring to that shows that a Master's degree doesn't make one a better teacher?  It's very easy to throw that out there, but back it up with some data. CH Moore

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chmoore, the whole union-inspired game of getting one's Master's degree is just another way of saying a down payment for a future annuity. A teacher invests $$ into getting their Master's and then are entitled to raises until the end of time.
No proof that getting a Master's makes one a better teacher!
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TudorBrown: are you serious? "Many of our teachers aren't educated enough to be educating..."? I think that "Big Brother" and its NCLB highly-qualified requirements assures that MCSD's teaching staff is highly educated. Oh, but wait, aren't you the one that's concerned that our teachers---after spending $45,000+ of their own dollars to get their Master's degrees---are paid too much? I'm sure you live on more than $48,000 a year, and I'll bet that you don't have a master's degree. Or you'll lie about it. If you do make over $48,000/yr. and have a master's degree, how about quitting your job , go back to school for another 2 years to get your Master's degree IN EDUCATION, and then teach these students? Maybe you can raise their scores---after all, you have all the answers.
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My question to Sassy is this, other than the grades, how did your children do on the required Reading and Math benchmark tests done three times this past year, as well as the monthly common assessments given by the district? Did they do well or show growth? I don't know their ages but how are their SRI scores in reading? Are they at grade level? What about Dibels (if they are in the younger grades)? Their teachers should have given you those scores as an indicator of growth (or non-growth). I ask about these other tests simply to see if perhaps they did well throughout the year on other assessments and then maybe froze on the big state test, it has happened before. If there wasn't acceptable growth during the entire school year, did anyone address the issue to you?
As for requesting other teachers, it has been done for some pretty silly reasons (this not being one of them mind you) so all you can do is ask.
As for seeing how many children passed for each teacher, I for one wouldn't have a problem anyone knowing my numbers from year to year, including the progress my students make THROUGHOUT the year. However, since people know who is in what class, I believe there might be a privacy issue for students, but not sure. Again, you would have to ask, or, in this case, keep asking.
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Originally posted by sassygirl sassygirl wrote:

I have called the school district and been passed around to several different departments. No one is responding to my question.

I have kids in Middletown schools. My child was getting A's in Math and Reading but not pass the state tests. Which makes me think, what are they teaching?

If kids aren't passing the state tests, teachers are not doing their jobs. What happens to teachers if kids don't pass tests? I read in the Journal that the pass rate went from 45% to 47% and the superintendent is happy about it. Instead, he should be thinking about what he's going to do with teachers who are not doing their jobs? They should have to take remedial "teacher classes", to learn how to do their jobs, or be fired.

I read in the Journal that a Middletown High school teacher said that student test scores should not be considered in teacher evaluations because kids are different everywhere. So is she blaming the kids for not learning.?  Kids are different, but the teacher's job is to figure out how to get the kids to learn the information they are supposed to learn.

I would like to know if I can see a teacher's evaluation before my child has to spend an entire year in a classroom with a teacher who's students are not learning what they are supposed to learn, and can I ask for a particular teacher for my student. If they don't have evaluations (why not), then I would like to see how many kids in  the teacher's class passed the state tests because I would like to choose another teacher, or go to another school.  I don't want to see names of students, just teachers and numbers of kids who passed the tests.

If I can't see the teacher's full evaluation, I would like to know how many kids in a teachers class passed the state tests. If the teacher my child is assigned to does not have the majority of their students passing the tests, I don't want my kid in that classroom.

Also, am I allowed to ask for a different teacher who's students pass the tests. So I need to see who my kid will have this year,soon, so that I can decide if I want to get a voucher or go to a charter school.


The Middletown City School system is complete garbage. Four out of five School Board members are delusional, and lacking average intelligence. Many of our teachers aren't educated enough to be educating. 

It's a joke

The quicker you and your child are out of this worthless district the better.
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One big obstacle here on accountability....the Teacher's Union. Based on past history pertaining to teacher performance, when you start pointing fingers at teachers, there is a certain amount of backlash one can encounter from the union and the teachers themselves. The defense mechanism really kicks in with them and the excuses start flowing.

The class size is too large.

The school text books aren't current.

The parents don't care anymore.

Kids come to school unprepared with no homework done, tired, dirty, hungry, etc.

I didn't have time to prepare my students for the tests.

The parents won't cooperate.

I never see the parents at parent/teacher conferences.

The parents won't return my calls.


NOW WAIT A MINUTE TEACHERS....BEFORE YOU JUMP ALL OVER THIS......

Couple that with the administrations refusal to provide support for the teachers in the classroom and the fact that the schools/legislators have decided to remove any and all deterrents from the classroom, prompting the kids to "run wild" and have no respect for authority. Schools are intimidated by the "sue-happy" parents if they touch their "little angels" who, in reality, need to have a board taken to their behind to square their attitude away in proper fashion at times.

The legal system doesn't help either. They (the courts) cater to the disruptors/troublemakers (parents and students alike) and treat them like sugar coated candy, cottling them to the point of creating irresponsible people/ little brats instead of coming down hard on them.

The teachers, the administrators, the police and the courts are all intimidated by the parents and we have gone totally soft in maintaining any semblence of authority. Authority has gone soft and we are way too "kinder/gentler" in our approach. The hard line approach use to work. It is gone and so is the control in the schools.

If you are dissatisfied with the teachers, the school system, the test results and the perceived lack of a decent education in the Middletown schools, do as many before you have done. Transfer to a better performing district (take your pick- almost any perform better than Middletown does now), go parochial if you can afford the tuition, or go charter school. No doubt you can do better with any one of these options. JMO
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Sassy, I guess MCSD doesn't want to hold teachers accountable but other districts monitor and fire teachers who don't toe the line. Why can't we do that here? It's not like there's a shortage of teachers out there to replace them.
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I have called the school district and been passed around to several different departments. No one is responding to my question.

I have kids in Middletown schools. My child was getting A's in Math and Reading but not pass the state tests. Which makes me think, what are they teaching?

If kids aren't passing the state tests, teachers are not doing their jobs. What happens to teachers if kids don't pass tests? I read in the Journal that the pass rate went from 45% to 47% and the superintendent is happy about it. Instead, he should be thinking about what he's going to do with teachers who are not doing their jobs? They should have to take remedial "teacher classes", to learn how to do their jobs, or be fired.

I read in the Journal that a Middletown High school teacher said that student test scores should not be considered in teacher evaluations because kids are different everywhere. So is she blaming the kids for not learning.?  Kids are different, but the teacher's job is to figure out how to get the kids to learn the information they are supposed to learn.

I would like to know if I can see a teacher's evaluation before my child has to spend an entire year in a classroom with a teacher who's students are not learning what they are supposed to learn, and can I ask for a particular teacher for my student. If they don't have evaluations (why not), then I would like to see how many kids in  the teacher's class passed the state tests because I would like to choose another teacher, or go to another school.  I don't want to see names of students, just teachers and numbers of kids who passed the tests.

If I can't see the teacher's full evaluation, I would like to know how many kids in a teachers class passed the state tests. If the teacher my child is assigned to does not have the majority of their students passing the tests, I don't want my kid in that classroom.

Also, am I allowed to ask for a different teacher who's students pass the tests. So I need to see who my kid will have this year,soon, so that I can decide if I want to get a voucher or go to a charter school.
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