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VietVet 
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 Posted: Oct 17 2012 at 2:33pm |
EXACTLY LH4!!!! YOU JUST DESCRIBED THE MALAISE OF THE SECTION 8 PROGRAM INUNDATING THE CITY. THE CITY OFFERS YOU SECTION 8 RENTERS, THE ONLY GAME IN TOWN TO FILL YOUR HOMES AND YOU ARE REWARDED BY THEM DESTROYING YOUR PROPERTIES. SO WHY WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO BYPASS THE CITY OFFER AND LOOK INTO THE NON-SECTION 8 RENTAL SCENE AND MAKE YOUR PROPERTIES MORE ATTRACTIVE TO THE RENTERS WHO WOULDN'T DESTROY YOUR PROPERTIES? THERE ARE RENTERS OTHER THAN SECTION 8 AND THEY MAY WANT TO LIVE IN A HOUSE RATHER THAN AN APARTMENT FOR THE SAME BALLPARK RENT, RIGHT? |
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Pacman
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Posted: Oct 17 2012 at 10:28pm |
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LH4,
Are you a Landlord? or are you a Leasee in the Section 8 scene? I have a feeling you are a Landlord. Pacman  |
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Pacman
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Posted: Oct 18 2012 at 6:42pm |
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Today's Middletown Journal HeadlineLandlord arrested in Section 8 investigation
By Michael D. Pitman So Section 8 isn't a problem huh???!!!Staff Writer MIDDLETOWN — Monday’s arrest of a Section 8 landlord is the fourth this year as part of a Section 8 fraud investigation that’s been ongoing for nearly two years. Dan Tracy, 65, of Middletown, was arrested after a warrant for theft, a fifth-degree felony, was signed, said Middletown police Lt. Scott Reeve. Police say Tracy collected federal money from a vacant apartment. Since the investigation began in early 2011, police said seven landlords have been arrested for allegedly defrauding the Section 8 program, which is through the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development. The HUD Inspector General is aiding the Middletown police in its investigation. Tracy was arraigned in Middletown Municipal Court on Wednesday morning. A pretrial hearing is set for Oct. 31. Reeve said Tracy could face an additional charge allegedly providing a fraudulent lease in order to turn on city water for a tenant with a past due water bill (Section 8 guidelines say a voucher holder must pay all back utilities or they would be removed from the program). Tracy deferred comment on Thursday to his attorney, Christopher Atkins, who could not be reached for comment. In September 2011, five people — two landlords and three tenants — were arrested on felony-level theft charges. The city is looking to reduce its number of Section 8 vouchers by 1,008 over the course of five years, according to a city corrective action plan approved by city council earlier this week. The plan, which addressed why the city is under the acceptable 95 percent threshold of issued vouchers, has been sent to HUD for consideration. City officials are uncertain if HUD would accept this plan, but if it is accepted the number of vouchers would drop from 1,662 to 654. Section 8 arrests in 2012 Here is who has been arrested this year in the ongoing Section 8 faud investigation by the Middletown Division of Police: Jerry Robinson, arrested April 2, charged with theft, a fifth-degree felony. He is scheduled … Silas Lewallen, arrested on June 14, charged with theft, a fifth-degree felony. He is scheduled … Author Baker, arrested on June 25, charged with theft, a fifth-degree felony. He pled guilty to theft on ????? Dan Tracy, arrested on Oct. 15, charged with theft, a fifth-degree felony. He is scheduled to appear for a preliminary hearing in Middletown Municipal Court on Oct. 31. Pacman
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SEEKING THE TRUTH
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Posted: Oct 18 2012 at 7:39pm |
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Have you heard anything about MPHA letters or letters from Doug Adkins sent to the tenants on MPHA demanding that they pay old water bills to the city of Middletown water department that have nothing to do with the unit that they are living in or any unit that that they lived in while on the program that was on the paid for by the program if so do you think this could be a violation of there civil rights on the section 8.
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SEEKING THE TRUTH
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Posted: Oct 18 2012 at 8:36pm |
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JUST WHAT POSITION DOES MARTY KOHLER HAVE AS OF TODAY IN THE CITY MANAGEMENT AND WHERE DID HE RANK WHEN THIS HAPPENED ????
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409
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Posted: Oct 18 2012 at 11:29pm |
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Pacman.....Dan Tracy has an interesting array of properties listed under 'Merg Properties LLC' on the BC website. Many chances for..........
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swohio75
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Posted: Oct 19 2012 at 10:25am |
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Mr. Tracy went before council and self-professed that was biggest Section 8 landlord in Middletown.
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Pacman
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Posted: Oct 19 2012 at 6:49pm |
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I have been to several meetings and heard Dan Tracy speak. He always proclaimed how wonderful his Section 8 tenants were. and that they were even better than having a non section 8 tenant in one of his rentals. He usually showed up with 2 or 3 other section 8 landlords who proclaimed the same thing. I guess he is right when he is collecting money and have no section 8 tenant in the unit. I use to always shake my head when I would hear him speak knowing that he was being less than truthful.
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Pacman
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Posted: Oct 19 2012 at 6:55pm |
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409,
Looks like your right, 129 properties, hmmm if we are lucky he will get booted out of the program. Pacman
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digger-2
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Posted: Oct 20 2012 at 12:06am |
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If memory serves me correctly, weren't Nelson & Associates plus the Inspection Group responsible for ensuring that 'alleged' problems of this nature would be uncovered dating back to 2009?
I think that it might be a little premature for some to pass final judgement until all of the facts are available.
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Vivian Moon
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Posted: Oct 20 2012 at 6:29am |
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I heard horror stories from landlords and tenants concerning records and payments the first year and a half under Nelson & Assoc and the Inspection Group. And then you can add the major problems with the new software program that Mr. Adkins purchased. |
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Middletown29
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Posted: Oct 20 2012 at 9:33am |
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That is a first for you Vivian. Waiting for the rest of the story to pass judgement.
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LMAO
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Posted: Oct 20 2012 at 10:14am |
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Looks like just another typical day at city hall.No one watching what the other is doing.Not caring if someone is ripping the city off big time.Why should they care?They(city) ripps us off everyday.Heads should roll for this but they wont cause we have "spineless ones" running Middletucky.
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LH4
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Posted: Oct 22 2012 at 8:34am |
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Before any of you pass judgement on Dan Tracy I would wait! If the people in charge of section 8 would get things straight the paper work would not be so screwed up. They have had different names to different addresses plenty of times. They have said numerous times a property has not been inspected yet when it was the week before!!! It's ironic how some of the lanlords are taking the fall for their program not being ran correctly and professionally. Huh.......maybe takes the heat off them.
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LH4
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Posted: Oct 22 2012 at 8:45am |
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Also...do any of you know that when the inspection group was in charge some of the lanlords did not get paid for months of rent at times.. because of their paperwork mishaps. How would any of you like to work for free for six months??
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Bill
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Posted: Oct 22 2012 at 9:02am |
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Cops don't usually file charges and arrest someone because of paperwork snafus. I'm going to guess that they investigated this before arresting your friend Mr. Tracy. #slumlord
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digger-2
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Posted: Oct 22 2012 at 10:31am |
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Questions for the day:
1) Name the city employee who heaped praises upon Nelson Associates plus the Inspection Group when they replaced CONSOC several years ago? 2) Why were the Inspection Group's services no longer desired? 3) How will the feds react to the city's recent announcement to reduce vouchers by 1,000? 4) Is this yet another grandiose plan like the 2,300 citywide code enforcement violations, the $20 million NSP housing plan, the 54% citywide lower-income designation, etc., etc. It makes one wonder if we shouldn't have fewer bold headlines and more accountability with our tax dollars?
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LH4
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Posted: Oct 22 2012 at 10:45am |
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Digger-2
Great questions! With all the crime rate up due to section 8 voucher holding people. You wouldn't think the police would have time for fraud investigations. |
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Pacman
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Posted: Oct 22 2012 at 7:06pm |
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LH4,
though you refuse to answer my question above, you are definately a landlord and a fool of a landord. many of the Loandlords I have talked to about section 8 think they are above the rest of the citizens of middletown. The Police do not arresst 4 Landlords with one pleading guilty just for the fun of it. I forsee your wonderful friend Tracy pleading guilty and most likely gettin probation with him being allowed to stay in the section 8 progam unfortunately. Pacman |
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digger-2
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Posted: Oct 22 2012 at 11:23pm |
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How sad that anyone would resort to name-calling and belittling another MUSA participant. It's often said that the wise man withholds judgement until all of the facts are known.
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Vivian Moon
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Posted: Oct 23 2012 at 10:17am |
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I believe that Mr. Tracy has been a landlord here in |
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LH4
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Posted: Oct 23 2012 at 10:19am |
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Pacman
I can answer anyone's questions. I know a lot of lanlords. I am telling you facts, some that of course you would not hear from the city. Let me explain something first off... When Nelson was in charge they were so clustered they did not even know someone was in a unit they had already inspected!! It was a complete mess. And Doug Adkins did not care. Tenants were told wrong information as well as landlords! Their hunting down lanlords trying to come up with fraud IS their way to remove section 8 vouchers. The paperwork was never correct... Hopefully the lanlords kept records of all communication! I find it amazing that buisnesses in this town have been robbed with a picture of them doing it and are told they don't have enough " man power" to go look for them..... But they can work on this for two years. I guess the city of Middletown people can live with criminals just not lanlords trying to figure out the cities everyday changes of rules of section 8!!! |
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LH4
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Posted: Oct 23 2012 at 10:25am |
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Pacman
Also as far as Dan Tracy being my "wonderful friend".... he has helped many families. Some people in need not on section 8 also. It's easy to sit back and judge when YOU do not know all the facts. |
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over the hill
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Posted: Oct 23 2012 at 11:50am |
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WOW, PACMAN IS JUDGE AND JURY!!!
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Bocephus
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Posted: Oct 23 2012 at 12:38pm |
And look at the prices 'Merg Properties LLC' paid for the properties in the last few years.These people went around buying up foreclosed homes for a fraction of their value so that they could fill them up with section 8? Hell if any one wanted to buy one of these houses to live in they couldnt. No wonder Middletown has gone to hell.But on the other hand its a free country and they are making money thats the way the system is suposed to work.
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