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So, our illustrious city officials once again have found a huge chunk of change ($650,000.00) that just happened to be “tucked away in one of our other accounts”, and right away they just had to spend it on their very favorite pet projects: the repair and maintenance of their buddies’ properties downtown and on South Main Street.

Why hasn’t anyone asked the real questions, such as:

1.     Where did this money come from and what was its original purpose?

2.     Why wasn’t it all used for its intended purpose?

3.     Can it be used for road and street repaving/repair?

4.     Can it be used for sewer repair/replacement?

5.     For what other purposes (besides downtown and South Main) can it be used?

Aren’t these the kinds of questions our elected representatives are supposed to be asking before City Hall spends taxpayer funds on the same old risky scheme that has failed repeatedly in the past???

“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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KTF,

I doubt retimeing the lights would do any good, as you constantly have vehicle traffic turning right onto town blvs, turning left onto town blvd, crossing 122 onto towne blvd,  there is not enough space for retiming the lights IMO.



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Originally posted by ktf1179 ktf1179 wrote:

I would be in favor of re-timing the lights, if you think that would work. If it does not fix the issue then we may have to widen it. I also have wondered why they never put an entrance to the Towne Mall off of 122? It would be very easy to put an entrance ramp from 122 West to the parking lot of the Towne Mall. That alone would cut down on some of the cars using the Towne Blvd entrance.

But as I am learning common sense is one thing Middletown is lacking.


ktf1179- there doesn't appear to be enough Towne Mall traffic to justify a new ramp to that location. The mall has been dead for a decade now. Until it recovers (if it recovers), I wouldn't imagine it will be a factor in any new development in that area. Most traffic bypasses the mall parking lot. Nothing there as a destination. IMO, the majority of the Towne Blvd traffic is for Meiers, Goodwill, Kroger and as a cut-thru to get to Rt. 25 to go to and from work and to get to the I-75 interchange. These people aren't there to shop.....just use Towne Blvd. as a shortcut to the freeway.

Oh...and you're correct on the common sense comment. Hasn't been any of that in this town for decades as evidenced by what you see every day. Sorely lacking in good city leadership here and it shows.
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I would be in favor of re-timing the lights, if you think that would work. If it does not fix the issue then we may have to widen it. I also have wondered why they never put an entrance to the Towne Mall off of 122? It would be very easy to put an entrance ramp from 122 West to the parking lot of the Towne Mall. That alone would cut down on some of the cars using the Towne Blvd entrance.

But as I am learning common sense is one thing Middletown is lacking.
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Spiderjohn

Just heard you received an interest free loan from the City for your business?

I responded it couldn't be true.

Am I right?
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Ktf,

The problem towne blvd, is not the width at Kroger, it is the stop light at Village dr and the amount of space you have for cars to back up when the light is red.  Since I have been here for 8 years I have always wondered if perhaps they had a blind man draw that intersection and both sides of towne blvd.  As a blind man myself, I could have done a better job. LOLLOL

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Have to agree with Viet.Josh played his cards right.Just like all the rest of the ones that has a postion in Govermeant."I will fight for you(the people)against the wrong doing's and wont stop till I get it right."Was good fo about 6 months now he is just a "PUPPET ON STRINGS"Wink
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Originally posted by ktf1179 ktf1179 wrote:

I have to disagree VietVet, Towne Blvd defiantly needs widen. I see too many cars backed up into the intersection of 122 and Towne Blvd everyday blocking traffic. The main bottle neck is on Towne Blvd. in between 122 and Kroger. I would like to see it widen not because of the Mall, but mainly for safety, and better traffic flow.

On a different topic what are you feelings about the Ward 3 Joshua Laubach? When is he up for re-election?


ktf1179...

Your question about J. Laubach.

Don't know of you know it or not but we don't have Wards anymore. There are some stories that have floated about on this forum that the MMF/ powerbrokers of the town saw fit to dissolve the Ward system in favor of everyone being "at large" to allow their candidates a better chance at whatever position they were seeking. Dunno.

As to Laubach.....he came to us MUSA folks as one of the good guys. Started out to be a "maverick" on council. Asked alot of "uncomfortable" questions and got little to no support nor feedback from the others like Becker, Mulligan, Picard and Mort. They are in the MMF camp and are the guys in the black hats. Laubach WAS the only one wearing the white hat (sometimes Scott-Jones will defend the people of the city....AJ Smith just wants to defend the unions (job possibility with the fire dept after his council days are over)- not necessarily the people) UNTIL recently as he apparently has either given up or was told by the MMF'ers not to make waves. When the voting happens on council, he is usually the "1" in the 6-1 voting. Again, dunno what happened to his "spunk" and his "doing the right thing by the people" theme he started with. Appears to have gotten frustrated with the direction of council. Can't blame him. I believe Laubach's council tenure is about over.

ALL JMO. Others may assess the situation differently.
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I have to disagree VietVet, Towne Blvd defiantly needs widen. I see too many cars backed up into the intersection of 122 and Towne Blvd everyday blocking traffic. The main bottle neck is on Towne Blvd. in between 122 and Kroger. I would like to see it widen not because of the Mall, but mainly for safety, and better traffic flow.

On a different topic what are you feelings about the Ward 3 Joshua Laubach? When is he up for re-election?
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Originally posted by Middletown29 Middletown29 wrote:

Vivian's negativity raises its ugly head once again.

Can't stand even the slightest positive comment.

Come on Vivian, I'll give you the same challenge I gave Vet, give me one example of a positive word from you on MUSA.
At least her head has a brain in it that uses common sense,if this was a gunfight you would be unarmed.Clap
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"Mayor Larry Mulligan said "...Towne Boulevard is a main access point to Towne Mall and its 24 businesses. The improvements will help the mall, which is anchored by Sears and Elder Beerman, with better access and a wider road"

Good Lord, what a waste of money. There are no other, more urgent roads in this town besides Towne Blvd. to improve? Wrong focus again?

WHAT???? There hasn't been 24 stores in the Towne Mall for years has there? Where did he get this number? How will this improvement "help the mall" Lawrence? Why do we need "better access and a wider road when no one goes there to begin with? What is this guy thinking??

"On another note, for my fellow MiddletownUSA posters, who foots the bill for new sidwalks and gutters on this project at town blvd"

How much foot traffic do we normally see on Towne Blvd. to necessitate a sidewalk? The only foot traffic you see are the people waiting for the bus on the corner by Staples and the old Dillards hair shop. Not enough need to justify the cost of sidewalks, right?

Speaking of Towne Blvd. anyone know if something is going in the old REX building. People in there rehabbing and painting the exterior. Still no takers on the old Social Security building. Still haven't gotten a reasonable response to my question to Boehner as to why a new one was built within 300 yards of the old SS building. Got a passification letter from some Washington government flunky containing some gov. bs lipservice. Another waste of taxpayer money IMO. Think I'll E-Mail old John again and ask him for a real explanation.
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Middletown Journal 9/5/12

Improvements planned for Towne Boulevard

Towne Boulevard will be widened if the city is able to secure grant funding to help pay for the $1.25 million road project.

Mayor Larry Mulligan said "...Towne Boulevard is a main access point to Towne Mall and its 24 businesses. The improvements will help the mall, which is anchored by Sears and Elder Beerman, with better access and a wider road"

ktf1179,

 You are right on in your post above.  But when you have leaders such as Mulligan who make quotes in the paper as above this is the reason Middletown is failing. 

The KFC in from fo the Mall has more customer traffic in 24 hours that the Mall itself.  Just go to the Camera on the front page of this website and you can observe the number of cars in the parking lot at any given time of the day.

On another note, for my fellow MiddletownUSA posters, who foots the bill for new sidwalks and gutters on this project at town blvd.  Will it be Staples, Walmart, Meijers, Feds  Just wondering?

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Besides why remodel downtown, when you end up getting lost trying to get there. LOL And there is no quick way into Downtown. At least the City of Hamilton has a divided highway running from I-75 to its downtown, rather than side streets and traffic lights. Let's face it Middletown's roads is such a tangled mess I need a GPS to get to the City Building. Even when I was a kid, my mom had to always stop and ask for directions anytime she had to travel to Middletown for something.
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Middletown 29. Will you please read the post from ktf1179 above your latest post. The comments from this post come from a former Springboro resident and a newcomer to town and reflects exactly what we, who have lived here for years have been saying all along. This new resident hasn't been here long enough to have been "corrupted" by the negativity that you seem to be obsessed about, yet, without the corruption factor present, this person still sees this town as needing alot of help. As one reads their assessment of the town, one must see that the negative things outnumber the positives by a substantial margin.

I would think that if we brought in people from the outside, they would see things as we see them.....ie more bad than good offered by this city. It is you (and the city leaders) who see things as better than they are and that's why we are in the shape we are in. Denial impedes progress. Misfocused efforts away from the real problems will never address the issues that need to be solved. You can make the downtown as pretty and as appealing as you would like but if there is no substance to draw people, it is just a pretty desolate downtown. That is what we have now. Facades don't draw shoppers. Offering services, choices,being in tune with the community, decent prices and giving people what they desire does. Can't blame us for the critique in this post. It is an honest evaluation not influenced one bit by our "negative attitudes".
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Vivian's negativity raises its ugly head once again.

Can't stand even the slightest positive comment.

Come on Vivian, I'll give you the same challenge I gave Vet, give me one example of a positive word from you on MUSA.
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Being a guy in his 30's I lived in Springboro my entire life until 2011 when we bought our first home.  I saw Springboro grow from the small little farmer town, to an upscale suburb over night. I would always hear that Middletown was a nice place to go from my neighbor, and and she would say that the Town Mall was better shop at than the Dayton Mall back in the 80's. I do believe that Middletown does have potential to regrow again, and change it's image from "Middletucky" to something more middle and upper class.

However, it will take some time but I do think it is possible. You do have an excellent location in between Dayton and Cincinnati. And the growth keeps moving to the Butler, and Warren Counties.

Middletown needs to start with the basics by lowering the Tax rate to be cheaper than the surrounding cities. It is crazy that I am paying more in taxes than Springboro, and getting less services for that money.

Middletown definitely needs to focus on the theft, and drug problems that is going on all over the place. I was defiantly surprised that in one week there was 2 drug busts on Victoria Ave. shortly after moving in. Needless to say I was second guessing my decision to move here, if it wasn't for the cheap price I got for our house.

They absolutely need to focus on improving the roads, and sidewalks. You are not going to attract any middle and upper income people to the city when there is dirt in the middle of the road, grass growing on the curbs, and and all the sidewalks cracked and have turned to gravel. They also need build a sidewalk along Ohio 122 and Grand Ave. mainly because of Safety. I see too many people almost getting hit, as they walk to work because of the lack of Sidewalks.

They defiantly need to do something about the Town Mall, either get the owner to remodel it or tear it down.

Finally Middletown needs to do some major re-zoning, and continue to tear down the blighted buildings all around the city.

Once the City begins to fix the outside areas of the city, and make them attractive to people outside of Middletown to move to, growth in the Downtown should happen on its own.

As a former Springboro City Council Member once told our high school class "A City has two options it either grows, or it Dies." Right now Middletown is dying, but with the right plans, and proper budgeting on priorities it can grow again.

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Irisner -I doubt the money can be spent on anything other than the planned target. there are strings to Grant money, you all should know that by now.
   
If you look at the records of the Downtown Fund you will find that this money is not really a dedicated fund at all since it  has been used for numerous different projects from paying salaries, taxes, loan payments, loans, utility bills and purchasing property. The only thing that seems to be dedicated is who decides which friend of city hall receives these funds

    I am very much NOT  a fan of the people Downtown right now, but even someone as flawed as Ms Judy doesn't deserve the non stop whining that goes on here.
   
Are you saying that I do not have the right to question where and how City Hall spends this money? Let me remind you that in December 2011 we were told the City was going broke.
    let's be realistic and talk about what CAN be done to solve some of the cities problems. Let's not waste time bitching because money NOT available for any other purpose is not being spent wisely.
    But that is the money not being spent wisely is my complaint and it should be yours also.
    Case in point...in addition to my 30% staff cuts, i say we check into the possibility of  clearing whole neighborhoods out to make the land available for Residential Development, much like what was done for the Trinity Place Project 30 years ago.
   
Well Irisner where will the City Hall come up with all the money needed to purchase a square block of housing and clear the land? I would guess that this plan is for the 2nd Ward. The Trinity Place Project was built for high end rental and it failed! Now the City has approved another 260 unit high end rental complex at 1-75. We have been assured that these will NOT become Section 8 rentals but I wouldn’t bet my bank account in this deal either. Ya see the City has NO control over who will rent these apartments after they are built.
Until these blighted areas are gone, there is little hope for downtown
Middletown.
   
Where were all the city officials with their code enforcement letters over the years as they watched all the building downtown slowly fall into ruin?
So now you think that the taxpayers should foot the bill for the failure of City Hall once again…
Do ya remember the 1.2 million bond that paid for the demo of Swallens and the City Garage. It was going to save us $90,000 a year and that money would be used as payment on the bond…LOL  LOL LOL ....I will let you do the research on how well this plan worked out for the taxpayers.
   

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nice thoughts, risner...
 
but you know that staff cuts are a pipe dream
Trinity has become mostly govt.subsidized housing now, though last time I was there, it was still a nice place.
 
The boundaries for these programs simply need to be abandoned/re-set.
Remember--our whole town has been declared a slum(becoming an accurate assessment!)
 
Rhodes summed it up--there is little business traffic  in the formerly downtown area because there are no businesses that appeal to our citizens/demographics.
And there won't be any attractive businesses until the p[roperty owners create and support these efforts with their own $$ and hard work.
 
Why worry when a govt.funded bail-out comes every few years to line their pockets?
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Go Irisner. At lease you are putting something out there as a positive suggestion.
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I doubt the money can be spent on anything other than the planned target. there are strings to Grant money, you all should know that by now.

i am very much NOT  a fan of the people Downtown right now, but even someone as flawed as Ms Judy doesn't deserve the non stop whining that goes on here.

let's be realistic and talk about what CAN be done to solve some of the cities problems. Let's not waste time bitching because money NOT available for any other purpose is not being spent wisely.

Case in point...in addition to my 30% staff cuts, i say we check into the possibility of  clearing whole neighborhoods out to make the land available for Residential Development, much like what was done for the Trinity Place Project 30 years ago.

Until these blighted areas are gone, there is little hope for downtown Middletown.
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Originally posted by Middletown29 Middletown29 wrote:

Thanks Viet, I didn't think you would have one.
You make my point for me better than I could ever dream of.


What??? 29, your post makes no sense just as your support for the city leaders and their ideas make no sense. You have used the phrase "you make my point for me" on a number of occasions now. Someone pulling that ring in the back of your neck for you? A tad bit repetitive in nature, annoying and as vague a slogan as one could conjure up. Try offering something with some substance to clarify your desire to support your argument. To date, you have failed to convince anyone that your buddies at city hall are doing the right things. It is inconceivable that a person can assess what has transpired in this town and yet call it a success. Classic case of denial of reality. And so it is with you 29. The Fool For The City.
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Thanks Viet, I didn't think you would have one.
You make my point for me better than I could ever dream of.
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Rhodes,

I am in complete agreement, with one addition:

I wouldn’t care so much that they keep trying the same thing over and over and failing over and over, IF they did it with their own money.  In that case I would be very supportive.

But they keep doing it with our money—worse yet, borrowed money that our children and grandchildren will have to repay—just so they can try to live out their fantasies.  They keep forcing us to be unwilling investors in their risky schemes, with no chance of recouping our investments.

“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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It's shameful that Middletown has so many people that can't seem to figure out the old saying about doing something over and over and expecting a different result as being ultimate failure.

The reason nothing works downtown is b/c the demographics do not support revitalization. That's it. Nobody seem to want to accept that fact. At least the revitalization always being pushed by those in control.

I was reading about Columbus City Center the other day and what that mall went through. There's a lot of good information at Wikipedia on it at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus_City_Center   Basically, what was a very upscale thriving mall died out b/c new shopping malls opened in the suburbs and were MORE CONVENIENT. Not only did the mall close down, it was demolished and is now a park. It's unbelievable that mall is gone if any of you have ever been there, but it is. Like it never existed.

If Middletown is going to invest government money in the downtown, it should be to cater to the population that lives in Middletown. There has always been a small group of people in Middletown that like to pretend they are high society and trendy. It never fails in Middletown. I've seen it my whole life. They fantasize about a booming downtown, but never want to admit the old booming downtown was full of middle class Middletown residents doing average type shopping. It wasn't some upscale haven of rich people fawning at art. It's too bad someone doesn't try to open up a shop downtown that makes those velvet Elvis Presley paintings and see how welcomed they are with that type of art.

If you want to cater to the core of Middletown residents, take a look at the crowds at the Broad Street Bash events. That's the only thing that has brought real crowds to downtown on a consistent basis for a few years now. I'm not meaning to sound derogatory at all by saying this, but just looking at those crowds the downtown could be booming if it invested those tax dollars in things that feature live bands, beer, motorcycles, fishing, softball leagues, pizza bowl/bowling alley, anything NASCAR related. There is nothing wrong with catering to who actually lives in Middletown and pays taxes to live in Middletown. Middletown is NOT an art lover crowd town. I just don't get all this pretending to be something the town isn't mess. Let it be what it is. There's nothing wrong with the people that live in Middletown. They are who they are. It's their tax dollars so cater to them instead of handouts to the "you know who" people.
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Well, let’s see…In 2008 there was a façade grant program that provided $5,000 (forgivable at $1,000 per year) plus a $10,000 loan (at no interest, if memory serves).

And there was the façade grant program that was part of the exciting Crossroads 2000 program when the mall roof came off back in 2001.  I can’t remember the details of that giveaway of tax money.

I guess in the eyes of some, we should be accustomed to paying for the maintenance of the old buildings downtown for these owners of private property.  They are used to getting it every few years, so we are due once again.

We shouldn’t be surprised to learn that the definition of “façade” now includes:  roofs, gutters, signage, window repairs, enclosing a gap in the rear of a building, and unlisted improvements to a house!!! 

I wonder if our tax money will trickle on down South Main Street to help city officials with the maintenance on their mansions???  I also wonder what would happen if Spiderjohn, or MiddletownUSA asked for some of this grant money for repairs to their businesses, or if I would ask for some to improve the façade of my home??? 

Of course, we have the very same Historic Commission overseeing these “façade improvements” that thinks junk auto hoods used as siding is historically appropriate.  What could possibly slip by them???
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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