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over the hill
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 19 2012 Location: middletown Status: Offline Points: 952 |
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Posted: Feb 28 2013 at 8:53pm |
I can't think of ANY city lately,that has created 1662 jobs,and certainly not $15 an hour ones,but 200 would be a mircle in this city.I'd be thankful for ANY we could get to come to this town with a desent pay.
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Pacman
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jun 02 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2612 |
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You are right OTH, we actually need more than 1662 jobs to bring this city out of it's decline. The problem is where and how will we find these jobs in this city?
I am referring to jobs that pay more that $15 per hour not the minimun wage jobs.
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over the hill
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 19 2012 Location: middletown Status: Offline Points: 952 |
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Pacman, You don't have to create 1662 jobs to have an impact on the health of the city. There are elderly and disabled people holding those vouchers,too.If our "community revitilation" director was actually trying to "revitilize" our city instead of concentrating all his attention on fighting sec 8, maybe he could think out side of the box and acually do some good for our city with fresh ideas for bringing JOBS to our city same for Ms G and all of city council! IMO
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Pacman
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Bill,
This city will never create 1662 jobs in a reasonable amount of time to have any effect on S8. Pacman |
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Bill
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This whole S8 thing is like shuffling the deck chairs. The real question is - how can demand for houses, either through ownership or non-S8 renters, be increased? And how can more employment be created?
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Pacman
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Mr Adkins,
Move along with your plan. It seems to be the only hope of Middletown ever having a chance of reducing it's S8 vouchers. Pacman |
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ktf1179
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I know in the Ayrshire neighborhood, there has been a lot of people buying foreclosures recently, and flipping them. 801 Dover Ave, 5120 Phillip Ct., & 500 Boylston St are currently being flipped. Let's hope these investments in flipping houses results in a better Middletown.
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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If people on the East End of town could sell their houses tomorrow for what they are worth we would need to hire an extra policeman just to direct traffic for all the 5,000 moving vans trying to get onto I-75. |
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Vivian Moon
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ktf1179
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"Government is like that creepy guy offering candy in a unmarked van. Sure the candy tastes good, but you will regret it in the end"
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VietVet
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Journal story....
MIDDLETOWN HOUSING Middletown to HUD: We’re going to reduce Section 8 vouchers MIDDLETOWN — Middletown officials aren’t backing away from their five-year plan to reduce the city’s complement of Section 8 housing vouchers by more than 1,000 despite objections from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development. Doug Adkins, the city’s director of community revitalization, said HUD officials “have their own issues to deal with beyond us.” Adkins was referring to HUD Secretary Shaun Donovan’s recent testimony before Congress about the impact of the across-the-board federal spending cuts — known as the sequester — on Section 8 vouchers. Donovan testified the March 1 sequestration “would have devastating effects on homelessness and on other vulnerable groups that HUD works with on housing needs across the country.” “They would anticipate 125,000 vouchers would be losing funding almost immediately,” Adkins said. “We may be off their radar for a little while.” THAT'S IT? THAT'S THE REASONING HERE? WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO AGGRAVATE HUD BECAUSE THEY ARE DISTRACTED AND WE MAY BE OFF THE RADAR FOR AWHILE? WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE ARE BACK ON THEIR RADAR DOUG? I LIKE THIS PART..... City officials contend Middletown has more Section 8 housing per capita than any other city in Ohio. Section 8 vouchers account for 49.8 percent of all subsidized housing and 14.3 percent of all available housing in Middletown, officials say. Too much Section 8 can impact the overall image of the city and hinder progress and economic development, they say YA GOTTA BE KIDDIN' ME!!!! DUH. HOW LONG HAVE WE ALL BEEN SAYING THAT THE SUPERSATURATION OF THE CITY OF SECTION 8 WOULD AFFECT THE IMAGE, INCREASE CRIME, ETC???? NOW......NOW, THESE CLOWNS IN THE CITY BUILDING COME OUT WITH "TOO MUCH SECTION 8 CAN IMPACT THE OVERALL IMAGE OF THE CITY"??? HELL, THEY ARE THE ONES WHO INVITED ALL THIS CRAP IN HERE FOR THE ALMIGHTY FED DOLLARS THAT IT WOULD BRING. GOOD LORD! THESE PEOPLE MUST GO. Section 8 landlords and other supporters of the program argue drastically cutting vouchers will have more of a negative impact on the city than officials think Because of all the jobs lost in recent years, Tracy said the need has increased. And until the need is reduced, the vouchers shouldn’t be reduced NO TRACY. THE REASON YOU AND THE OTHER LANDLORDS DON'T WANT IT STOPPED IS BECAUSE IT'S A MONEY-MAKER FOR YOU AND YOU, LIKE ANYONE ELSE, DON'T WANT TO SEE THE MONEY TAP TURNED OFF. MERCY. |
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SEEKING THE TRUTH
MUSA Resident Joined: Oct 17 2012 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 62 |
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Wonder what Mr Faulkner was talking about with the water bills and section 8 voucher holders. Was there fraud by the city demanding voucher holders to pay bills that have nothing to do with the program or there unit seems that judy and doug got uneasy real quick when he brought it up anybody know anything about this?
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over the hill
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Well, Pacman, You didn't have any trouble understanding the violations or the options. Why is city council so blind that they want to follow Doug Atkins down the Primerose Path to distruction. Has Ms Gilleland forgotten her name is at the top of the page as EXCECUTIVE ADMINISTRATOR of the program. She too may have egg on her face.
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Pacman
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GG,
It is recollection that the letter from HUD to the City gave the city 3 options: 1 Show a reduced need for S8 vouchers, which the city most likely can not do. 2 transfer the program to BMHA. While this may have an immediate affect on the number of vouchers in Middletown, over time you may see some reduction in vouchers. 3 bring the number of vouchers in use in Middletown to 95% or face legal action. Pacman |
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spiderjohn
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thanx goose
glad 2 c that u r still out there don't b so shy! the bs comes from everywhere, and is pretty easy w wade thru without getting 2 messy I very much appreciate Ms.Moon's effort and informative postings glad that she is not intimidated by the dark side of our city we need more like her to bring openness/honesty/transparency we don't have 2 always agree
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Middletown29
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Is that a promise Vivian?
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Vivian Moon
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greygoose
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Hi Spider,
Its good to see that there is still an "honest" voice posting on this board. You have a much stronger stomach for the BS than I do, thus I just check in periodically. Grey Goose |
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greygoose
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Vivian,
You just can't help yourself when it comes to the negative spin that you put on "everything" that relates to the city's leadership. Several months ago, you were griping about the number of vouchers that "PAST" the city leaders allowed to accumulate. Now you have a couple of leaders that recognize that this was a mistake and you are critical of their efforts to correct the problem. You have no credibility to anyone other than your "chronies". Although I am a supporter of Mr. Adkins and his efforts to attack the housing issues in this town, he is barking up the wrong tree on this issue. HUD has already gone on record that the only way that vouchers can be reduced is a reduction in need. The last time I checked, the poverty levels in Middletown have not improved. GreyGoose |
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LMAO
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Exactly Spider.There are landlords that has taken advantage of this and should be kicked off the program.They have made there money far to easy IMO.Mr.Faulkner wants to complain about the "Inspections" but how long does it take to comply with what is suppose to be done? IMO you shouldnt be able to have over 5 properties under section 8.Dont get me wrong,City Hall deserves every bit of what is about ready to come down on them.
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spiderjohn
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Yes Ms.V
Voucher-holders and landlords have only taken advantage of what was openly offered to them. They are honestly low on the list for blame, though they now scream bloody murder over something that should never have been a never-ending way of life. Everyone could see the damage to the community long-term If $$ has to be returned--so be it We shall hear the pigs squeal I honestly see Mr.A's attempt as reasonable and necessary As to what has been going on prior and within the process--not so sure Tenants and landlords know far more than me
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Vivian Moon
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spiderjohn
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Pretty much on the money, Ms.Moon
Scapegoat the poor, who have only taken what was offered(why shouldn't they?) And whitewash the destructive actions of planning, zoning, city managers, Councils and Commissions. |
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Vivian Moon
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In my humble opinion this discussion should not be about Section 8, landlords and tenants…this discussion should be about the TOTAL FAILURE OF CITY HALL over the past 20 years. |
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Vivian Moon
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Council weighs options for response to HUDStaff Writer MIDDLETOWN — The city is not at risk of losing federal funding or being sued by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development if it proceeds with a plan to eliminate 1,008 Section 8 Housing Choice Vouchers over the next five years — at least not right now, said Community Revitalization Director Doug Adkins.
“You’re at no risk right this minute,” Adkins told Middletown City Council at the board’s Tuesday meeting. “Zero.” Adkins presented council members with five options for responding to a Dec. 21 letter the city received from HUD about its plan to cut Section 8 vouchers. In the letter, HUD officials told city officials that they needed to either fill Middletown’s available vouchers, transfer the city’s voucher program to the Butler Metropolitan Housing Agency or face possible legal action. Adkins told council he disagreed with characterizations of HUD’s letter as being “strongly worded.” He said he thought the letter was “diplomatically written” given each side’s differing point of view on the matter. “No fair housing or civil rights threats were made, no regulatory violations were cited,” said Adkins, a former attorney with the U.S. Labor Department. “We have been politely asked if we would like to walk away and give our program to Butler Metro… As an attorney, I’m looking for, where’s the hammer?” Adkins said there is nothing in HUD’s regulations that says Middletown can’t cut vouchers. He said he’s “100 percent comfortable moving forward” with the city’s plan because HUD needs to cite the city before they can say any federal funding would be in jeopardy. Still, Adkins said city staff would research and make a detailed presentation to council in two weeks about five ways they could respond to HUD’s letter. The options include:
The city must respond to HUD’s letter by Jan. 31, however, Adkins told council he has asked for an extension until March so that the city could thoroughly review its options. The proposal city leaders sent to HUD, which was approved by the Middletown Public Housing Agency on Oct. 16, reduces the city’s total subsidize housing to 10 percent of the city’s total housing stock. It also places the city in compliance for HUD regulations to have 95 percent of its vouchers filled. With more than 1,600 vouchers issued, the city only had about 82 percent of them filled. Staff proposed and the MPHA board, which consists of all seven members of city council, approved the plan to reduce the vouchers to 654 and transfer the remaining 1,008 vouchers to another housing authority or back to HUD. Jeff Faulkner, of Wilbraham Road and a Section 8 landlord, said he felt HUD’s letter was clear: comply by filling the available vouchers or risk losing the program and local control. Faulkner said he’s “fed up” with the process and the way the city is “beating up” Section 8 landlords with its strenuous property inspections.
Faulkner has sued the city in small claims court on Dec. 28 for boarding up his rental property at 2108 Winona Drive four years ago, and alleges it cost him potential income and thousands of dollars in repairs. He is seeking $3,000 plus interest from the city. “This program now is getting a bad reputation of not being landlord friendly,” Faulkner said. “It’s all about the landlords. We’re the vendors, we’re the ones that own the homes, we make them available for people who need them.” Councilman Joshua Laubach assured Faulkner that council wasn’t “unfairly going after or targeting landlords or Section 8 owners.” Laubach said the city’s plan is about maintaining local control of how Middletown looks demographically and not being governed by outside federal dollars. But other council members expressed concerns about challenging HUD. “My concern is the same as the vice mayor’s, that we run the risk of losing a lot of what we built over the last three years that I’ve been here,” Councilman A. J. Smith said. If HUD comes back and says the city did violate some regulation, Adkins said City Council will have time to regroup and reassess its position because “they have to cite us with something, they have to find that we have broken something.” Then they have to allow the city to have an action plan to regain compliance.
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