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    Posted: Feb 18 2013 at 6:25pm
According to an article in today's online Middletown Journal:

The Manchester Inn & Conference Center and the adjacent Sonshine building are for sale for $325,000.

And the future of the former hotel, restaurant and conference center, according to City Manager Judy Gilleland will be tied into the vision for downtown Middletown, which revolves around education, entertainment, the arts and downtown living.

"the vision for downtown Middletown, which revolves around education, entertainment, the arts and downtown living." This is the crux of the matter!  Is this "vision" based on "wants" and dreams...or is it based on analyses and marketing studies???  Just as important, is this "vision" the vision of those who are bankrolling the venture...or is it the dream of those playing with other people's money???
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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After reading the article, it once again sounds like City Hall will try to control the sale and use of this building.
 
Instead of selling it to anyone who agrees to buy it for the offering price, and letting them use it for any legal purpose under current zoning or appropriate variances, City Hall will try to MANDATE the use. 
 
When this happens, failure usually follows.
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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The article informed us that one would pay the $325,000 for the buildings, then stated that it may take 8 to 20 million or so to rehab those buildings, depending on end use........AND, the city wants to have a sayso in the theme of the building as it applies to their "education/arts/residential" theme for downtown. The city has alot of nerve asking someone to pay $325,000 to start, then 8 mil minimum to rehab and have a say in the end use. What investor would take that deal? With the traffic down there now, how many decades do you think it would take to recoup your initial investment plus rehab costs to break even? This deal almost guarantees the Manchester will stay in city hands for many more years. Make it a "give-away" building like the 1st National Bank and unload it from city ownership. Again, for the umpteenth time, WHY IS THE CITY IN THE REAL ESTATE BUSINESS? LEAVE IT TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO DETERMINE. STOP WASTING OUR MONEY ON THIS CRAP.
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Hey guys, why doesn't a potential buyer do what the city has done. When they buy the building, lie to them about what they are going to do with it!!! 
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"The city purchased the Manchester Inn from the estate of the late Perry Thatcher in March 2011 for $175,000, after the city forgave more than $150,000 from an unpaid 1993 loan and other debts. The asking price is around the total investment the city has in the Manchester Inn, Gilleland said."

Well it seems that Miss Judy is getting a little closer to telling the truth to the citizens of Middletown about the REAL cost of the Cincinnati State deal.
Pull the records and you will see that City Hall isn’t even close to breaking even on this deal…and ROI..............................................
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The price tag “sounds like a bargain,” said Brad Knapp, senior vice president of Henkle Schueler in Lebanon and former president of the Ohio Association of Realtors. BUT!! The question though, is “what do you do with it? Obviously it didn’t work as a hotel,” he said.. LOL !!!  BUT!! Downtown Middletown Inc. Executive Director Patrick Kay is hopeful for the future of the old hotel and conference center, thinks there is someone who will be willing to convert that hotel into SOMETHING...LOL.NOW theres a man with DUH vision on his brain.. just bring in the wrecking ball and bull dozer's and get it over with..but save the BALLROOM for miss judy...
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Please notice that Miss Judy didn't tell the citizens of Middletown, since they footed the bill to purchase this bulding, just how much it would cost to demo the Manchester Inn.
Yep this was prime property and a reeeeeal bargain for the taxpayers.







 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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ooo shoot the cost of bringing that BIG ole place down , oo boy!! just maybe the city can get some TNT at a real bargain price,then call in the TNT Pro's, who knows they might give the city a reeeeeal bargain at droppin that BIG ole place.. LOL just won't get to save the ballroom at a few mill LOL 
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I wonder if they finally gave up hope that CS would take the building and had no other preferred, hand-picked buyer lined up? Or maybe they DO have a handpicked buyer lined up and they are going through the motions of listing it to make it look on the up and up.  We'll probably know with a month or two.
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Well Neil, the word on the street is that the vulture, no I mean bird is no longer circling Miss Judy’s office and the downtown area.
But who knows what the next “Deal of Desperation” may look like.



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Posted: 12:00 a.m. Saturday, Feb. 23, 2013

Future of historic Manchester Inn uncertain

By Michael D. Pitman

Staff Writer

MIDDLETOWN —

The historic Manchester Inn & Conference Center has received “a lot of interest” from potential buyers — including one from Florida — since it was listed Monday for $325,000, according to city officials and the realtor handling the property.

The 91-year-old, 74-room hotel, which counts former President John F. Kennedy among its guests, has been shuttered for almost two years now. The city, which bought the hotel in March 2011 from the estate of the late Perry Thatcher for $175,000, had been “soft marketing” the building for about a year with no serious offers.

But now that officials have decided to give the hotel more market exposure, City Manager Judy Gilleland said she anticipates “a great deal of interest in the first three months of the listing.” She said she believes the Manchester can return to its former glory as a restaurant, conference center and hotel.

“That certainly is one real possibility,” Gilleland said. “There are many different combinations that would work very well for the building in the community.”

A successful sale and redevelopment of the Manchester could help the city recoup the money it spent and the $150,000 in unpaid loans and debts it forgave to obtain the hotel. It would also represent a big win for ongoing efforts to redevelop downtown Middletown into an arts, entertainment and education center.

Local commercial real estate agent Lenny Robinson said he’s rooting for someone to come along and bring the Manchester “back to life.” But Robinson acknowledged it would be a hefty investment for whoever buys it.

“You don’t know what’s behind the walls,” Robinson said, noting that’s the No. 1 problem with buildings as old as the Manchester. “Every time you touch something, it’s going to cost you money. It becomes a question of dollars, of economic justification.”

Some city estimates say it could take between $8 million and $20 million to redevelop the Manchester Inn.

“It’s really going to come down to economics,” Robinson said. “The old adage in real estate is, it’s not how much it costs, it’s how much will it make. What will be the return on investment and where will it come from?

Gilleland said the mechanical systems and the Manchester’s other features are in relatively good shape. But she conceeded Robinson’s point that there are always surprises with historic building renovations.

Still, cities such as Hamilton have had success in redeveloping old historic hotels, Gilleland said. The city manager said she has been conversing with Hamilton officials who were involved in converting the former Hamiltonian hotel — a former riverside landmark — into a Courtyard by Marriott.

Gilleland said she believes a similar transformation can take place for the Manchester, if the city can land the ideal developer who is savvy working with historic tax credits, restoring historic buildings and working through some complex financing. She said the downtown can support a small hotel because “the historic nature of the hotel makes it unique.

“The fact that it is in a downtown area that is seeing a revival makes it interesting,” Gilleland said. “And there is some market for hotel rooms in our downtown area.”

One big hurdle could be the hotel’s distance from Interstate 75, the city’s front door, Robinson said. Being five to seven miles from the interstate, from other retail activity in the East End, diminishes the draw, he said.

He also questioned whether at this point, there is enough downtown revitalization to draw people there. Robinson said he wouldn’t want to see it happen, but if there isn’t someone to invest in the building, “it may be better off if it were to be taken down for the land.

“That’s the unfortunate part of what may happen, but a necessary part,” he said.

Patrick Kay, Downtown Middletown Inc. executive director, said his group, with the aid of a grant from the Middletown Community Foundation, is working to establish a historic district downtown that would encompass the Manchester and qualify it for the state’s historic tax credits.

Kay said that would give a potential developer the tools needed to make a redevelopment project succeed.


By the numbers

1922: Formal inauguration of the Hotel Manchester on Nov. 3.

1960: In October, John F. Kennedy stays at the Manchester Inn while campaigning for president.

750: The capacity of the ballroom, which would make it the largest venue to hold events in the city.

500-plus: The annual attendance of the Pigskin-Roundball Spectacular forced to move out of the city since its inception in 1990.

89: The number of Charity Balls held at the Manchester Inn. The event has been held at the Pendleton Art Center the past two years.

$250,000: The amount of insurance money the later Perry Thatcher and former owner of the Manchester Inn reinvested in the hotel after a pipe burst in 2009 severely damaging the ballroom and kitchen.

2011: On Jan. 3, the Manchester Inn unceremoniously closes when a piece of paper is posted to the door saying its closed.

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"since it was listed Monday for $325,000, according to city officials and the realtor handling the property".

"Some city estimates say it could take between $8 million and $20 million to redevelop the Manchester Inn."

NOW, WITH A $325,000 PRICE AND A REHAB COST OF BETWEEN 8 and 20 MILLION, HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE TO RECOUP THE COST OF THE ENTIRE INVESTMENT, GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND CLIENTELE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA? ......DECADES

MR. ROBINSON ASKS THE SAME QUESTION.....

“It’s really going to come down to economics,” Robinson said. “The old adage in real estate is, it’s not how much it costs, it’s how much will it make. What will be the return on investment and where will it come from?

HE ALSO MENTIONS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR AWHILE.....

"One big hurdle could be the hotel’s distance from Interstate 75, the city’s front door, Robinson said. Being five to seven miles from the interstate, from other retail activity in the East End, diminishes the draw, he said."

GLAD ROBINSON SEES THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION CONCERNING THE LOCATION OF THE DOWNTOWN.....THE CITY OFFICIALS DON'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT.

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But now that officials have decided to give the hotel more market exposure, City Manager Judy Gilleland said she anticipates “a great deal of interest in the first three months of the listing.” She said she believes the Manchester can return to its former glory as a restaurant, conference center and hotel.
I thought those involved in Middletown Moving Foreword were to guide City Hall with the inspection, purchase and investment in any property. This entire CS deal is an act of pure desperation.

Local commercial real estate agent Lenny Robinson said he’s rooting for someone to come along and bring the Manchester “back to life.” But Robinson acknowledged it would be a hefty investment for whoever buys it.
Well it didn’t seem to be a problem for City Hall. Ya see it’s not a “Hefty Investment” when you are using taxpayer dollars and not your own.

“You don’t know what’s behind the walls,” Robinson said, noting that’s the No. 1 problem with buildings as old as the Manchester. “Every time you touch something, it’s going to cost you money. It becomes a question of dollars, of economic justification.”
Mr. Robinson is being kind. He knows that the Manchester Inn will need to be gutted and taken all the way down to the brick, redesigned and then rebuilt.

Some city estimates say it could take between $8 million and $20 million to redevelop the Manchester Inn.
I agree

“It’s really going to come down to economics,” Robinson said. “The old adage in real estate is, it’s not how much it costs, it’s how much will it make. What will be the return on investment and where will it come from?
but, but, but Mr. Robinson, we are not allowed to talk about “Return on Investments” concerning the CS Deal. City Hall will not even break even on this deal.

Gilleland said the mechanical systems and the Manchester’s other features are in relatively good shape. But she conceeded Robinson’s point that there are always surprises with historic building renovations.
WackoWackoWacko

Still, cities such as
Hamilton have had success in redeveloping old historic hotels, Gilleland said. The city manager said she has been conversing with Hamilton officials who were involved in converting the former Hamiltonian hotel — a former riverside landmark — into a Courtyard by Marriott.
What!!....LOLLOLLOL

Gilleland said she believes a similar transformation can take place for the Manchester, if the city can land the ideal developer who is savvy working with historic tax credits, restoring historic buildings and working through some complex financing. She said the downtown can support a small hotel because “the historic nature of the hotel makes it unique...Wacko

“The fact that it is in a downtown area that is seeing a revival makes it interesting,” Gilleland said. “And there is some market for hotel rooms in our downtown area.”
Yep that’s why a big new motel is being built next to Wal-Mart off I-75

One big hurdle could be the hotel’s distance from Interstate 75, the city’s front door, Robinson said. Being five to seven miles from the interstate, from other retail activity in the East End, diminishes the draw, he said.
but, but, but Mr. Robinson, we are not allowed to talk about the fact that “Their Downtown” does not have a major draw and is miles away from the major traffic flow.

He also questioned whether at this point, there is enough downtown revitalization to draw people there. Robinson said he wouldn’t want to see it happen, but if there isn’t someone to invest in the building, “it may be better off if it were to be taken down for the land.
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And once again the taxpayer will be stuck with the bill for the demo of “Their Downtown.”

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Wonder if the city would give me a loan? I'd buy it,rehab it to be apartments over looking our Great City Hall,smelling the great stink that lingers on Main St.Dont know if its coming from the sewers,the canal or from City Hall.LOL Just dont see it surviving as a Hotel.


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Downtown ! Amen! Thanks for the laugh. Maybe we can hire Booger Michelle to be the front desk clerk. lol 
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