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Billiam 
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 Posted: Jul 19 2013 at 9:28am |
The cronyism is the one thing that really has me concerned. Everything else is more or less not an issue. But I have dealt with this kind of attitude before as mentioned and this kind of corruption is absolutely terrible for creating a healthy city economy and stifles new and even existing business in a truly free market environment. I appreciate your offer for a tour. After I check it out myself next month, I will know whether or not a more in depth visit is needed. If so, I will take you up on your offer.
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Posted: Jul 19 2013 at 2:31pm |
Negative? Maybe if you pull your head out of certain people's Asses you might see the light.  |
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bumper
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Posted: Jul 20 2013 at 8:08pm |
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MIDDLETOWN POLICE JULY 12 Members of the Special Operations Unit conducted a search warrant in the 700 block of Elwood Street in reference to drug activity in the area. They found .8 grams of heroin, a syringe, digital scales, crack pipe, snorting straws, two marijuana plants growing in the back yard and a marijuana pipe. Beverly Bailey, 57, of Elwood Street, was charged with drug paraphernalia; Jesse Dennis Jr., 34, of Elwood Street, was charged with drug abuse heroin; Kelly Dennis, 32, of Elwood Street, was charged with permitting drug abuse; and Brandon Stutler, 27, of Elwood Street, was charged with drug abuse heroin, drug abuse instruments, and drug paraphernalia. JULY 15 A Sears lawn mower was stolen off the back porch of a residence in the 1000 block of 15th Avenue. When a woman went to the city’s impound lot to retrieve her vehicle that was towed, she said several items, iPhone, two speakers, USB cable and cologne, were missing. The manager at Village East Apartments, 3530 Village Drive, told police that she saw a man and a woman having sex in the apartment complex pool. When the manager yelled for them to get out of the pool, they stayed in the water for a while. Joseph Cantrell, 27, of Wayne Avenue, was charged with possession of drug abuse instruments and for his active warrant for failure to comply. Police found a needle in his pocket. Cody Combs, 22, of Sheridan Avenue, and two juveniles were charged with drug offenses after they were found in a residence in the 3000 block of Illinois Avenue. Combs was charged with drug abuse marijuana and possession of drug paraphernalia as were the juveniles. They were found in a home alone, and the home was rented by one of their relatives. About $500 worth of tools were stolen from a residence in the 0 block of Ardmore Drive. Christopher Abrams, 36, of Hamilton, was charged with theft and criminal trespass after he allegedly stole $307.40 worth of merchandise from Walmart, 2900 Towne Blvd. Amanda Miller, 30, of Hamilton, was charged with complicity to theft. A 32-inch flat screen TV, Dell lap top computer, several bottles of Febreeze, towels and bedsheets were stolen from a residence in the 2100 block of South Breiel Boulevard. A mini sports bike, valued at $279, was stolen from Grandview Weekend Outlet, 2535 S. Breiel Blvd. An employee said a suspect distracted him and put the bike into a Ford Explorer. A Murray lawn mower, valued at $200, was stolen from an apartment complex in the 1500 block of Manchester Avenue. Two TVs were stolen from a residence in the 2000 block of Greenfield Street. The burglary was reported by a neighbor who was watching the residence. A pool pump was stolen from a residence in the 400 block of Baltimore Street. A lawn mower, air conditioner and fishing poles were stolen out of a garage in the 3100 block of Seneca Street. yep its rockin and rolling in Middletown every day and night !!! but you might not wanna go swimming at Village East Apartments!! |
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Billiam
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Posted: Jul 21 2013 at 9:51am |
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Is this a weekly crime report or did all of these events occur over a single 24 hour period? If they happened over three days or more then I would say it seems about average for a city of about 50,000 people anywhere.
Believe it or not this list would constitute about a week's worth of crime in that rural town of 6,000 people where I lived in Missouri. So, Middletown being about 8 times larger would likely have no worse a crime rate if all these crimes occurred over a period of two or more days.
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Billiam
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Posted: Jul 21 2013 at 3:35pm |
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Just read the following and this seems very encouraging. There most definitely is an upswing in interest in Middletown even from the business sector. People are investing in Middletown!
http://www.middletownjournal.com/news/news/job-numbers-show-people-are-investing-in-middletow/nYwg3/
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acclaro
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Posted: Jul 21 2013 at 3:49pm |
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Billiam, listen pal. You are wasting our time trying to play along like a northern KY investor. Here's the deal, Middletown has 1.75% tax rate, heading for 2.0% soon. Its corrupt in my opinion, terribly run, and filled with cronyism. The job article as a cheerleader you truly are, is from SunCoke associated with a jv with AK Steel, an existing business for over 100 years, and the Atrium Med Ctr, an existing hospital that moved out of Dodge to gain benefit from Warren Cty where it sits. Take a drive downtown and Breihel Blvd if you want to see what's moving in vs what is moving out.
The phantom cheerleader garbage is amateur hour. Only a spin doc would not see through the dumb article you reference. Go take a peek at the tax revenue declining. That is your answer, or it would be mine, if I was pushing cap investment in the city. Of course, I wouldn't. Due diligence shows you'd lose your shirt. |
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'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill
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Billiam
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Posted: Jul 21 2013 at 5:01pm |
You sound a bit delusional. Projecting a bit eh? I am simply trying to obtain information from local people that live and work in Middletown with the hope that I can get a reasonably accurate picture of the state of the local economy and also what life, in general is like in Middletown. Just how much is the tax revenue declining? And what is the cause? Foreclosed properties?
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Billiam
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Posted: Jul 21 2013 at 5:05pm |
I should add that the facts speak for themselves. The article cites specific job numbers that seem to be legitimate. Do you believe these numbers are inflated? I'm a believer in the power of positive thinking. But I am also a realist. Precisely why I am moving out of MO. Negative environments lead to a negative life and only serve to tear down the positive aspects of a region. If Middletown is as bad as you say then why are you not moving?
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Pacman
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Posted: Jul 21 2013 at 5:56pm |
Billiam, I have no axe to grind with the City of Middletown other than disagreeing with the decisions made to renovate the Downtown Area at Citizen expense. I owned a small business In Middletown which I had to close due to Medical reasons. Personally, There is no business that I would invest in opening in Middletown for any reason at this time. The reason people are not leaving Middletown is due to the fact that most Mid-Upper income residents are unable to sell their homes without losing their shirts. Pacman  |
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acclaro
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Posted: Jul 21 2013 at 6:57pm |
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Billiam, I will play along with you as an investor, even though you are in Middletown and trying to spin what a great city it is, and only crabs bring people and regions down, not bad decisions and reality.
The numbers are not promising nor accurate. Indeed, when the CEO was shaking Middletown down to keep the Atrium hospital within the annexed area of Franklin, he said the Atrium would see 10,000 new jobs or its campus. That hasn't been within 99% accurate of forecast. Investment capital means nothing; and the two largest outputs were existing businesses or jv's of existing businesses as defined. As for projection, perhaps you are a clinical psychologist looking for space? Anyone whom bought within the past 20-25 years owning a house, would sell it below what they paid two decades ago. A friend is a President of one of Trenton's most illustrious businesses besides Coors; they sold their home at a $225,000. capital loss to build in West Chester. |
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'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill
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bumper
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Posted: Jul 21 2013 at 7:37pm |
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heck billiam you asked and have been given advice, but ya never know till you jump in with both feet, let us know when it gets here and what ya got..the downtown crowd would love to have ya set up shop im sure... I really don't care mainly for the reason I have no reason to waste my gas to make a trip to middletucky for anything...
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Billiam
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Posted: Jul 21 2013 at 8:53pm |
Well, I came to this board trying to get information and an honest assessment of what is going on there. And yes, I have a little money to purchase a property and will do so elsewhere if I decide not to pursue my venture in NKY. For starters I am not in Middletown and I am hardly spinning anything. A couple of people told me it was starting to show signs of life and then some people, such as yourself have denigrated it to the point that I would not see why anyone would want to live there. Perhaps all 48,000 residents should leave? Yes, if the Ol' Boy Network is alive and well in the local politics as you have said it is and also someone earlier in this thread then yes, that is a major problem. But people such as yourself need to band together and do something about it and find good people to run for office and then elect them. Lastly, your first comment above is pretty damn condescending and the last part of the sentence makes little sense. Crabs bring people and regions down? Do you always insult people that want to try to do something positive in your city? |
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Billiam
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Posted: Jul 21 2013 at 8:56pm |
Most of the input I've received has been good and honest. Both the negative and the positive has been welcomed. I do plan to visit the city next month or over Labor Day to see for myself what kind of shape it is in. As I've said I have not been there for at least a decade and I had a couple of people tell me they though that things were looking up. Based upon what the guy that posted to you previously has said, maybe I will just stick with investing my money in another home in NKY. It is that attitude which leads to the destruction of a community.
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spiderjohn
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Posted: Jul 21 2013 at 9:37pm |
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depends on exactly what you want to do here, bill---
It can work, and you may end up welcomed by the system, especially if they can rope you into something in the area formerly known as downtown. Not all bad, since they will toss you free $$ to pretty much spend however you like. As I mentioned, very nice homes available for a fraction of--say--Fort Thomas-Fort Mitchell-Covington-Newport. Can't get much for your $$ there, and most everything is old. Better schools, shopping and close to Cincy though. You can make it work if you are doing the right type of business and play your hand as conveniently as possible. jmo
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acclaro
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Posted: Jul 21 2013 at 11:15pm |
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Billion- get real. You are trying to tee up the story about Middletown. Its dead, gone, toast, the fat lady sang. Detroit version 2.
Don't insult me or others by shilling for the city but stating its negativity that ruins a city. Middletown's inept leadership, taking money for roads to pay salaries, and crime has led prominent residents to move out, and few but fire sale hunters, move in. Why don't you share what your investment to me in capital funds, and what it is the nature of your business. A capital investor would be doing market research and crunching numbers for due diligence, not blogging on a board about the Middletown Journal article. Last week, the paper had one page on Middletown, and that was associated with parking. Run some financial ratios, not spinning for the city in a death spiral. |
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'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill
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spiderjohn
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Posted: Jul 22 2013 at 3:44am |
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unfortunately a lot of truth in what axclaro is saying... just look at how the city may be blocking musa admin from the city's(citizens') web site
hopefully u aren't here stroking us(as has been done often by city or school hitmen shills trying to discredit the often ugly truth(mtown--middletown29--smartman etc.)). if so, don't waste our(or your) time if u r legit--hang around and contribute u will learn plenty so--how did u find this place?
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Mike_Presta
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Posted: Jul 22 2013 at 6:01am |
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Billiam,
Here's a couple of suggestions for how to tell who is telling the ugly truth and who may be trying to pump sunshine up people's butts: The City Council's budget discussions are coming up these next couple of months. On the one hand, a story just broke that over a thousand new jobs have been created over the last four years. Pay attention to the budget talks and I think that you will hear that revenue from the city's income tax has Fallen over the last four years. Check with the local school officials about how much you might have to pay for your kid's school lunches. You will find that, even if you make a bazillion dollars a year, your kid will get FREE lunches (and breakfasts)!!! You see, there is so much poverty in town, and so many of the children are on the free meal program, that our school system comes out AHEAD to put the few remaining kids on free meals too, rather than to collect the few bucks that they would take in.
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Mike_Presta
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Posted: Jul 22 2013 at 6:30am |
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Oh, Billiam, just a couple more things:
1. Some would call statements like the two I just made above "negativism". I, and many others call it "realism", or "facing the FACTS"!!! 2. If you do decide to move here, and you are interested in a nice, large home in a good neighborhood--give me a call!!! Even though we have completely remodeled the kitchen and master bath, and have rebuilt the deck and replaced the HV&AC, if you offer anything even close to what we originally paid (in 1998), you will see my wife and I heading for the city limits at a velocity that will be certain to get us a speeding ticket. (We will mail in our fine to traffic court.)
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Billiam
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Posted: Jul 22 2013 at 7:41am |
If you even bothered to read my original posts you would find that I am going to develop a Proprietorship, not a large or even medium sized business. Unfortunately for the kind of business I am developing there are no real marketing studies that can be used to determine where it might work best. I can't hire a consultant or buy data from a marketing firm that will tell me whether or not it will work. If I was going to open up a retail shop or some other similar service oriented business then it would be easy to learn if it would work there. You are a real a-hole for putting words into my keyboard. You've just convinced me not to waste any more time with your city. Thank God I did not get this attitude in NKY. Been hitting the bottle much?
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bumper
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Posted: Jul 22 2013 at 7:43am |
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Mike I really hate putting "negativism"on ya but the realism", or "facing the FACTS"!!! is, your stuck....
 .we took a loss 7 years ago selling our home, not real bad but didn't care, and when it sold we left mid town at break-neck speed and didn't get a speeding ticket 
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Billiam
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Posted: Jul 22 2013 at 7:46am |
I lived in Middletown for a couple of months back in 2000 while working for my friend in nearby Liberty Township. On another message board I had a couple of people tell me that Middletown is starting to see some improvement. Right now I am convinced that I should not waste any more of time on this board or even consider moving to Middletown. I can find someplace better where I won't get pissed on for simply inquiring into the health of the local economy and the quality of life. I think I will stick with NKY where I did not and have not gotten the attitude by people like axclaro.
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acclaro
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Posted: Jul 22 2013 at 8:10am |
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Billiam, spoken like an individual who knows nothing about evaluating nor opening a sole proprietorship. Even a single owner entity should be evaluated by market and financial analysis. Why....you may even quality for incubator status and acceleration consulting from Cincinnati State and some seed money as sj indicated, from the deep federal pockets in Donham.
Here's a another consideration for you pal. AK Steel has trended for a year between 4.00 and 3.00/ share. Read the analysts ratings. If t were to be sold, what would that do to your investment? Go down and seek some help from the C State staff. Glad you are staying in NKY, you might want to check out Lexington, as that area is growing rapidly. Of course, you may be a contractor looking for an opportunity to restore a building downtown. They usually sell for about $1.00, or given away. You have two markets to cater: those selling gold teeth, gold watches, etc., or the other segment which is buying crab cakes and monte cristo sandwiches @ Stained. Chose your market segment wisely. Cheer for the Wildcats down at UK, from your NKY perch, not much to cheer in Detroit No. @, ergo, Middletown. I am certain Larry Mulligan would be happy to take you on a 4 hour tour when you make your soourn for further evaluation. As the roads are pretty rough, you may want to look over the city in a helicopter. |
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bumper
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Posted: Jul 22 2013 at 8:10am |
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wow bill im not seeing acclaro being an A hole as you say!! the couple of people that told you things were looking up in mid town are the ones that are hitting the bottle, your given up over one person tells me you really don't have the drive to run a business of any kind..now im thinking your all BS...
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Neil Barille
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Posted: Jul 22 2013 at 9:19am |
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Billiam = greygoose?
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Posted: Jul 22 2013 at 10:32am |
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Acclaro offers significant insight into the city's problems and provides real world commentary as to solving them. He is a valued asset to MUSA. His posts are insightful and appreciated.
What I like about Acclaro is that he is a successful business professional who does not flaunt his accomplishments or friends/acquaintances like one other MUSA participant. Thank you, Acclaro.
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