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over the hill
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 19 2012 Location: middletown Status: Offline Points: 952 |
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You've got to be kidding. "Affordable housing". Well, I guess that should really be some welcome news for Judy and Doug. When you sell it you no longer have control over what the new owner chooses to do with property.
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Last night Mr. Grau
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Vivian Moon
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Posted: 6:46 p.m. Tuesday, Feb. 4, 2014 By Rick McCrabb Staff Writer
City council voted tonight to sell the Manchester Inn & Conference Center to a developer that the city hopes will return the downtown property to a “vibrant destination.” Council voted to allow the city to enter into a development agreement with Manchester LP, headed by William E. Grau from Coldwell Banker. Grau said he will perform a feasibility study within two months to determine the best use of the Manchester. Grau offered to purchase the Manchester for $1 and said he plans to invest $10 million into the property via loans and tax credits. Grau must apply for historic tax credits by July, which is a “very aggressive” timetable, said Denise Hamet, the city’s economic development director. Grau said he hopes to begin construction by October 2014, and have it completed within 12 months. Grau, who appeared on Skype, said he hopes to make the Manchester “everything it can be.” The 91-year-old hotel was purchased by the city in 2011 for $175,000 and officials were asking for a sale price of $325,000. The other proposal was submitted by Historic Middletown Developers LLC, which includes a five-person development team. |
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Vivian Moon
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Posted: 7:13 p.m. Tuesday, Feb. 4, 2014 Hamilton auctioneer to buy Middletown golf courseBy Rick McCrabb Staff Writer MIDDLETOWN — Middletown city council voted Tuesday night to sell Weatherwax Golf Course to a Hamilton auctioneer for $1.6 million in a deal that will net the city $95,000. Myron Bowling from Bowling Auctioneers offered $1.6 million for Weatherwax, but said the city would be responsible for the $502,644 that is owed on the golf cart lease. Once that is paid, Bowling will take ownership of the golf carts. The city also will pay off the $750,000 it owes in bond debt and the $80,000 Realtor commission, city officials said. Bowling also asked the city to pay the $30,000 to remove the diesel tanks that are located on the grounds of the golf course. Two other interested parties made bids to the city on the 36-hole course located in Madison Twp. Howard Jackson of MiddCities offered $225,000; Michael LeMaster, of LeMot, LLC, offered $800,000; however, his bid was received about 90 minutes after bids were due. Ronald Lutz from Sportsplex had originally said he was interested in the course but didn’t make a bid. |
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TonyB
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jan 12 2011 Location: Middletown, OH Status: Offline Points: 631 |
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acclaro,
I could not agree more with your post. Purchasing property "for the good of the community" should certainly entail some return on investment; if it doesn't, that should tell council not to do it! Why is Denise Hamet trying to secure tax money for groups buying city owned property? Shouldn't this be the mission of Downtown Middltown, Inc.? City resources should be used to bring business to Middletown; not to find money for groups who don't want to spend their own money! If you can't find the investors to finance your plans, perhaps you shouldn't be in business with the venture in the first place! |
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acclaro
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2009 Status: Offline Points: 1878 |
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I am frankly at a loss of words with this council, city management, and the citizens of Middletown.
Lets examine what has transpired in dow ntown Middletown besides the expenditures when Dan Picard said previously, the city was dead and putting money into would be fool hardy; former police chief and city manager Bill Becker said exactly same, as well as virtually everyone on council. Now, Dan Picard states there are two different stories; " well, we never expected to receive any money from the Manchester." Say what? Dan....then why did the city waste about 375,000- 400,000 with moth ball expense, to not recoup it? How fundamental a question is this-----you spent nearly 400,000 and expect $0 in return, or I retract, a buck? Do any of you realize you'd be tearing the walls at Donham down and ringing the phones off the hooks if this was the old council on board- Schiavone, Williams, others. How does a city council spend $400,000 and expect 99.9% to be a complete loss as an acceptable standard? Is there any city that its citizens would not be in revolt? Numbing to be candid. Now lets examine Cincinnati State. The city bought those buildings, gave them away, HEP picked up the infrastructure expense, and State has been $0 out of pocket on this deal. Why? Because 1) they did not have the cash 2) they would not have made the deal. The only way it occurred was a complete gift. And with this knowledge, city hall and council have the audacity to state to the public, there is actually some sort of benefit to the Cincinnati State deal? Well....what is it, and to whom? Finally, on the Manchester, both bidders expect the city to help support their obtainment of federal funds for renovation. Hence, Denise Hamlet will be spending time getting funds for the Manchester taking the eye off true development and the needs required to move forward. Now there is a revelation the city needs to get back to its core? Middletown hasn't focused upon its core functions in 40 years. Hamilton is eating Middletown's lunch in turning itself around, while Middletown continues to flounder. I just don't get it. But admittedly, I am thinking too sanely, in a city of rather insane instinct and philosophy. |
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'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill
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VietVet
MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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"The city received two offers to purchase the Manchester Inn for $1. The 91-year-old hotel was purchased by the city in 2011 for $175,000 and officials were asking for a sale price of $325,000"
Paid 175 thou.....offered a buck by two parties......great return. "Both groups promised that about $10 million in private and public funds would be spent to renovate the historic hotel" Another "owned by a private entity but asking for taxpayer/public funds to rehab a private investment" situation. Wrong. Let's see, what does the private owner get out of this and what does the public, who helped with the rehab get? HMMM. "Both of the groups said for the project to be successful, state and federal funding would have to be secured to renovate the hotel that includes 78 guest rooms, meeting spaces, one of the area’s largest ballrooms and a large commercial kitchen" THEN, IF YOU NEED FED AND STATE FUNDS, YOU AIN'T READY TO OWN IT. FUND IT YOURSELF BY SPENDING YOUR OWN MONEY AND THROUGH PRIVATE SECTOR DONATIONS AS YOU WILL BE THE SOLE BENEFACTOR IF IT IS SUCCESSFUL. WHY IS THE PUBLIC EXPECTED TO CONSISTENTLY BAIL OUT THE PRIVATE BUSINESS SECTOR NOWADAYS? WHAT DO WE GET OUT OF IT? WILL THE PUBLIC BE PART OF THE INVESTOR GROUP HERE?.......NOPE. I REALLY LIKE THIS FROM OLE JOE MULLIGAN...... "Vice mayor Joe Mulligan said he was looking forward to more “details” before he made his decision regarding both properties. If they’re sold, he said, the city can get “back to basics.”" "BACK TO BASICS".... JOE, YOU PEOPLE WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT THE BASICS ARE IN THIS TOWN IF THEY JUMPED UP AND BIT YOU ON YOUR KEESTER BUD. "Picard said the sale of the Manchester and Weatherwax are “different stories” because he doesn’t expect the city to receive any money for the Manchester" BUT DANNY BOY, YOU PEOPLE PAID 175 THOU FOR THE DAM THING AND YOU'RE CONSIDERING TAKING A BUCK FOR IT. AWFUL CAREFREE ABOUT THROWING AROUND OUR MONEY, AREN'T YOU? DO YOU PEOPLE DO THIS WITH YOUR PERSONAL BUDGETS? HOW ABOUT YOUR STOCK PORTFOLIOS? BUY HIGH-SELL LOW IS THE THEME HERE? "Council member Anita Scott Jones said it would be inappropriate for her to discuss the sale of the proprieties since those are two items expected in executive session" AHH YES, SCOTT-JONES, THE "SACRED, HOLLOWED GROUND" OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, WHERE CITY TAXPAYER-FUNDED BUSINESS IS KEPT HIDDEN FROM THE CITY CITIZENS WHO HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW THE CITY DECISIONS. COMICAL. |
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I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over.
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Vivian Moon
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Posted: 4:23 p.m. Monday, Feb. 3, 2014 Council to decide fate of golf course, hotelBy Rick McCrabb Staff Writer MIDDLETOWN — The future of the Manchester Inn & Conference Center and Weatherwax Golf Course could be decided at tonight’s Middletown City Council meeting. The sale of both city-owned properties is on the agenda and council members said they anticipate “good discussion,” said Lawrence Mulligan Jr., the city’s mayor. The city received two offers to purchase the Manchester Inn for $1. The 91-year-old hotel was purchased by the city in 2011 for $175,000 and officials were asking for a sale price of $325,000. The proposals were submitted by investment groups, Historic Middletown Developers LLC, which includes a five-person development team, and Manchester LP, headed by William E. Grau from Coldwell Banker. Both groups promised that about $10 million in private and public funds would be spent to renovate the historic hotel. Grau said his plan has a start date within six months and a completion date within 18 months, while the other plan has a start date of two years and completion in four years. Council member Dan Picard said he was leaning toward supporting Grau’s proposal, though he was concerned that the ballroom would be eliminated. He called the ballroom “a huge asset.” Both of the groups said for the project to be successful, state and federal funding would have to be secured to renovate the hotel that includes 78 guest rooms, meeting spaces, one of the area’s largest ballrooms and a large commercial kitchen. Vice mayor Joe Mulligan said he was looking forward to more “details” before he made his decision regarding both properties. If they’re sold, he said, the city can get “back to basics.” Picard said the sale of the Manchester and Weatherwax are “different stories” because he doesn’t expect the city to receive any money for the Manchester, while it needs to “recoup as much as we can” from the sale of the 36-hole Weatherwax Golf Course. Council member Anita Scott Jones said it would be inappropriate for her to discuss the sale of the proprieties since those are two items expected in executive session. The two offers for Weatherwax came from Hamilton auctioneer Myron Bowling, who offered $1.6 million, and from MiddCities in Cincinnati, which offered $225,000. |
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over the hill
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 19 2012 Location: middletown Status: Offline Points: 952 |
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Spider: Shortsighted is an understatement! The powers that be do not want input they want total control of those funds. If we had input from citizens we may find this town could be moving forward. JMO
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Justsayin
MUSA Immigrant Joined: Mar 20 2013 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 40 |
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Spider, the airport buildings can't be sold for something like 10 years. Something to do with bonds sold and a limitation on when they mature. Out right selling the airport would mean paying back the FAA every dime the airport has received for the last 20 years. That equals millions of $$. It seems to me the airport is the only thing improving in this town. No thanks to the Queen I might add.
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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probably no one playing golf today or this month
still--been years since anyone stayed at the Manchester, and can't see why anyone would want to stay there in the future talk I have heard says too many contingencies, freebies etc. with the local downtowers' offer--and the outsider/locally brokered deal is far better guess who qwill get the property that we have paid for again for the nth time? if we are going to sell assets, why not sell the airport? what do most citizens get from it? love my town, but frustrated as it doesn't seem to be getting better--many local businesses are concerned at least or on the ropes bleeding we read where Hamilton is inclusive with citizens as to how HUD $$ is spent--as it should be since it is actually everyone's tax $$$--why not here? It is nice to lose non-livable housing, however replacing it with nothing(no residents/business or incoime/property taxes) seems a little short-sighted imo |
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VietVet
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"The city, strapped for money, owns both businesses, the downtown hotel and the 36-hole golf course in Madison Twp., both of which have operated in the red for years. Middletown hopes to reduce its budget and plans to eliminate 22 positions from public safety before 2015"
DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CONSTANT REMINDER THAT "THE CITY IS STRAPPED FOR MONEY". THEY HAVE MONEY TO PURCHASE BUILDINGS. ($175,000 FOR THE MANCHESTER ALONE, AND HOW MUCH FOR THE THATCHER BUILDING PACKAGE PURCHASE?) THEY HAVE MONEY TO LOAN (?) THE ROSE FURNITURE PEOPLE MONEY. THEY HAVE MONEY TO LOAN (?) BEAU VERRE. THEY HAVE MONEY (~$325,000) TO START UP JIM VERDIN'S PENDLETON "ARTS MECCA". THEY HAVE MONEY TO LOAN (?) THE MMF $75,000. THEY HAVE MONEY TO HELP REHAB THE OLD CG&E BUILDING FOR CS. WHERE IS ALL OF THIS MONEY COMING FROM IF THEY ARE "STRAPPED FOR MONEY"? THEY CAN JUST FLAT OUT GIVE AWAY THE OLD SENIORS CENTER TO CS WITH NO USE IN MIND FROM THE RECIPIENT. NO, THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, THEY ALWAYS FIND MONEY BY SHIFTING IT FROM ONE FUND TO ANOTHER OR BY PLACING THEIR ORDER FOR FED LOANS IN LIEU OF CREATING REVENUE THROUGH EMPLOYERS/EMPLOYEE TAXES. WE ALL KNOW THE GAME. IF IT INVOLVES THEIR PRECIOUS DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT, THEY ALWAYS FIND THE MONEY. HOW MANY TIMES HAS GILLELAND ANNOUNCED THAT MONEY WAS FOUND IN SOME FUND THAT MIRACULOUSLY APPEARED TO FUND THEIR LITTLE DREAMS? IT WOULD APPEAR THAT THEY ARE "STRAPPED" FOR MONEY IF IT INVOLVES ISSUES THAT ARE NOT ON THEIR LIST OF IMPORTANCE WHILE ALWAYS FINDING MONEY TO ADDRESS THEIR DESIRES. |
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I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over.
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Justsayin
MUSA Immigrant Joined: Mar 20 2013 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 40 |
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Hold out for a $1.21.. lol..
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acclaro
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Decisions, decisions, decisions. Busy time of year for city.
The question and dilemma is: "Should we take a $1 buck for a $400,000 investment, or hold out for a year for $1.21? No wonder city hall is so darn busy. Rick McCrabb is not quite the entertaining writer. The Journal can take one story line and rerun it by adding one sentence, as well as any "ink meat loaf paper" in the country. All the same, the "left-overs" are getting old,and stale....just like Middletown. Can't wait for history to be made- will it be a buck, or a buck, 21? Embarrassment knows no bounds in Donham.
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Vivian Moon
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Posted: 7:00 a.m. Monday, Jan. 27, 2014 ‘Busy’ time for city staff, councilBy Rick McCrabb Staff Writer MIDDLETOWN — Years from now, historians may call the next week the most important time in the city’s history. Two of the city’s biggest attractions — the Manchester Inn & Conference Center, which has been closed for three years, and Weatherwax Golf Course — are for sale, and their futures are in the hands of potential buyers and City Council. The city, strapped for money, owns both businesses, the downtown hotel and the 36-hole golf course in Madison Twp., both of which have operated in the red for years. Middletown hopes to reduce its budget and plans to eliminate 22 positions from public safety before 2015. Selling Weatherwax could be the answer, city officials have said. The course is operating at a $150,000 deficit, which doesn’t include the $250,000 annual debt payment for past improvements, said City Manager Judy Gilleland. City council is expected to discuss and possibly decide the fate of one, or both businesses, at its next meeting, Feb. 4. Les Landen, the city’s law director, called this “a very busy” time for city staff and council. Middletown received two offers from investors to purchase the Manchester Inn for $1, while the city was asking $325,000 for the 91-year-old hotel that it purchased in March 2011 for $175,000. The city also forgave about $150,000 in debt as part of a bundle of downtown properties purchased when it appeared Cincinnati State Technical and Community College was going to use the Manchester for culinary and hospitality programs as part of its Middletown branch campus. Both of the investment groups, Historic Middletown Developers LLC, which includes a five-person development team, and Manchester LP, headed by William E. Grau from Coldwell Banker, said it would cost about $10 million to renovate the hotel. Doug Adkins, director of community revitalization, told council that the proposals were similar: Both said they’d repair the leaking roof and remove the mold. Grau disagreed with Adkins’ assessment. He said his proposal has a construction start date within six months and a completion date within 18 months, while the other plan has a start date of two years and completion in four years. Also, he said, his proposal is for commercial multi-family apartments with office, coffee shop/micro brewery and hopefully culinary space and the other one is for a boutique hotel with a banquet center. Both of the groups said for the project to be successful, state and federal funding would have to be secured to renovate the hotel that includes 78 guest rooms, meeting spaces, one of the area’s largest ballrooms and a large commercial kitchen. The city extended the deadline two weeks for those interested in bidding on Weatherwax after two potential vendors submitted a “significant number” of questions in the final days, said Cindy Strayer, the city’s purchasing agent. Deadline is 11 a.m. Wednesday, and after reviewing them with staff, city council is expected to discuss the future of the golf course on Feb. 4. Strayer said the city was contacted by Howard Jackson from MiddCities in Cincinnati and Roland Lutz from Riverside Athletic Club in Hamilton and Forest Hills Sportsplex in Middletown. City council has several options, and needs to act quickly. If the city decides to retain Weatherwax, chemicals need to be purchased and applied in the next few weeks for the course to be ready for the golf season. If Weatherwax is sold, the order can be cancelled, Strayer said. |
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