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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote VietVet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb 06 2014 at 8:29am
Ok, since the decision-making/logic/confusion has been reaching the bottom of the barrel on council, (What else is new?), I thought I'd find another source for watching council meetings that have the same outcome.

If you would like to join me in viewing this council meeting source, please follow this...

1. Dial up Google on the old computer.

2. Punch in You Tube.

3. Punch in Abbott and Costello Who's On First.

4. Enjoy your new source for viewing YOUR Middletown City Council Meeting.


Disclaimer: My intent is in no way to discredit Abbott and Costello. After all, how would they know back then that they would be creating a city council duplication in the year 2014?
I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TonyB Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb 06 2014 at 9:00am
I'm curious to know what kind of development will take place at Weatherwax when the property was gifted to the city with the provision that it remain a "green space". Does the sale of the property negate any agreement the city made in the past? Is there potential for lawsuits against the city and the new owner if they violate those prior agreements? Would defense in court cost the city more funds it cannot afford to spend on extraneous matters? 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote over the hill Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb 06 2014 at 9:22am
TonyB: Just add it to the HUGE amount they are already spending to keep Doug and Judy out of jail with the HUD debacle. The longer this drags on the more it is costing the city. I suppose the city has insurance for this so Judy probably hopes this is settled before she retires because then she's on her own.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote acclaro Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb 06 2014 at 10:56am
Sadly, I think Dr. Owens at Cincinnati State did miss a golden opportunity for not having the vision or fortitude to bring the culinary center to Middletown and the Manchester, that was Mr. Perry's vision. To be clear, all activities that became the downtown effort were associated with the culinary school, and it could have served as a catalyst for other opportunities and expansion at C State and downtown. Its a shame this never took off.

Like the Iraq war when no chemicals of mass destruction were found, the message at city hall became downtown revitalization, making Middletown into a historic center, or arts center. Having the epicenter of the culinary institute may have done this; without it, it all fell apart. Then the message at Donham, just like the Iraq war, was changed; in Iraq, it was about democracy and freeing people, in Middletown, it shifted from cuisine and the culinary center to downtown revitalization. It had gone so far they couldn't pull back, and what became is a shell of the true vision and plan.

It is sadness and disbelief, when evaluating the Cincinnati State deal, the city's property acquisitions, and such, what led to all this was the culinary center which never came. One cannot think the city had this outcome in mind for its buck payback.

This was interesting in a Journal post:

The lease on the golf carts is a year by year lease to have funds appropriated each year by the municipality (i.e. City Of Middletown) Gov't entites cannot take on debt obligations greater then one year unless voted on by the public - this was not approved by the public.

Since the golf course is being sold Middletown would not owe on the remaining 6 years of the lease. Basically - the city is throwing away another $400,000+ - which is illegal.

The buyer can pick up this lease himself - or obtain other carts in the market.

Why do you have comment sections - if you never follow up on researching issues like this - which is illegal?


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FmrMide81 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb 06 2014 at 12:26pm
Legal, schmeagle-Les decides what is and isn't legal around here!!! The "O" in ORC stands for "Optional"!!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote over the hill Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb 06 2014 at 3:12pm
That is so true Mide81: Whether he's right or wrong that's how it is and all the attorneys on council and former paralegals never bother to quetion what he says.Do the legal eagles turn their brains off at council meetings?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote spiderjohn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb 06 2014 at 4:28pm
Think that maybe they will keep 18 holes, and build homes either inside or around the course?

What about the Sonshine building?
Was that part of the Manchester deal?

acclaro's post about Mr.Thatcher's original concept rings true and makes a lot of sense imo
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote acclaro Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb 06 2014 at 9:51pm
sj, I think par for the course, or another "Mulligan" for city hall, the third downtown as a matter of fact, as you know, what got downtown started was the train possibilities. Undoubtedly, Mr. Thatcher's vision was the culinary function, with hopes the whole campus might have a major presence.

Donham began the snowball with the shuffle of Cohen and the other entities downtown, and the cash that followed the train, and then on the heels of the Polar Express that never arrived, Strickland defeat, then the fall back was the C State culinary institute. Those two dreams fell by the wayside, but the momentum, initially expense, created a runaway train, initially chasing a train....that never came....and a culinary experience....that never came.

I believe you are correct on the reduction from 36 to 18 holes, but suspect that's contingent on turning a profit. The location is close enough to Madison High School that it would do well as a development I assume.    
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What Middletown should do now is Annex the land around Weather Wax. That way if the owner does decide to put up new homes, all that tax money will come into Middletown.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Voleye Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb 14 2014 at 9:29pm
There is no way in hell the township will allow that to happen. The people that live out here live out here for a reason, One of those reasons is its NOT MIDDLETOWN.   We have excellent schools, decent police and fire protection and levies to support them.

There are many out in the township that will "line the bridge" and never allow Middletown to annex us.
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Originally posted by Voleye Voleye wrote:

There is no way in hell the township will allow that to happen. The people that live out here live out here for a reason, One of those reasons is its NOT MIDDLETOWN.   We have excellent schools, decent police and fire protection and levies to support them.

There are many out in the township that will "line the bridge" and never allow Middletown to annex us.


You'll be devoured by Middletown, and you're going to like it.

We figure we can fit about 30 Section 8 homes between your house and your neighbors. 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote spiderjohn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb 15 2014 at 9:24am
a gold mine just across the bridge imo
wish that I would have bought property there years ago--the current buildings are demo material
not sure water/utilities are are there yet
small market there would serve so many, and keep them from crossing bridge, or heading to Trenton/Excello Kroger

the future Oasis, + the Elk Creek Tavern building/corner

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Vivian Moon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Aug 06 2014 at 10:04am

Gentlemen

Please note that the dates of all of our comments above are from January and February 2014…and at last nights council meeting Mr. Landen stated that the Weather Wax Deal still was not completed yet because City Hall was still cleaning up parts of the property and clearing up parts of the deed…WHAT!

However what Mr. Landen didn’t tell us was the cost of all this extra work over the past five months.



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Also at last nights council meeting, Mr. Adkins gave an update on the Manchester Inn Deal. He stated that Mr. Grau is still working on the feasibility study that is due to be completed later this month to determine the best use for the Manchester Inn.


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Originally posted by Vivian Moon Vivian Moon wrote:

Also at last nights council meeting, Mr. Adkins gave an update on the Manchester Inn Deal. He stated that Mr. Grau is still working on the feasibility study that is due to be completed later this month to determine the best use for the Manchester Inn.

Isn't this the originally agreed to schedule?
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