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    Posted: Mar 30 2014 at 8:35pm
Originally posted by Historic House Guy Historic House Guy wrote:


Think of the good you could bring to the local economy if you had you meetings over a cup of coffee and a plate of egg whites.
We plan on doing exactly that. We're just waiting on all of those coffee shops that they've been promising that will be opening downtown!!!       
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Originally posted by Historic House Guy Historic House Guy wrote:


Funny how, no matter what, if anyone in this city tries to make a go at something positive their are always those certain posters on this forum that will make fun of it. Why don't you guy's go ahead and do something with yourselves?LOL

Back in my home town their use to be a diner where you old grumpy farts would gather to talk about politics and your medications. You should consider this. Think of the good you could bring to the local economy if you had you meetings over a cup of coffee and a plate of egg whites.



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"Funny how, no matter what, if anyone in this city tries to make a go at something positive their are always those certain posters on this forum that will make fun of it"

WELL HOUSE, PICK YOUR POISON. WITH THE CONSTANT CLUSTERS THAT OCCUR IN THIS CITY AS TO LEADER DECISIONS AND THE LACK OF REAL PROGRESS, IT'S EITHER COMPLAIN ABOUT THIS STUFF OR MAKE FUN OF IT. NO OTHER CHOICE UNTIL THEY CHANGE THEIR MODE OF OPERATION. WE SOMETIMES JOKE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS HERE TO BREAK THE MONOTONY OF COMPLAINING.

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"Back in my home town their use to be a diner where you old grumpy farts would gather to talk about politics and your medications. You should consider this. Think of the good you could bring to the local economy if you had you meetings over a cup of coffee and a plate of egg whites."

GRUMPY OLD FARTS? NOT YET BUT WE'RE WORKING ON IT. THE CUP OF COFFEE SOUNDS GOOD BUT THE EGG WHITES ARE WAAYYY TOO HEALTHY FOR ME. "GOOD WE COULD DO IF WE HAD MEETINGS" YOU SAY? NO MORE SUCCESS THAN TO GET ON HERE AND "DISCUSS" THE LATEST NEWS.....AND WE DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE THE HOUSE TO DO IT!.....OR EAT THOSE EGG WHITES.
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In my former hometown of Alexandria, Virginia there was lively debate, intellectual curiosity, excellent schools, and 60 was the new 35 with fitness nuts everywhere riding Gary Fisher bikes or playing squash in Fred Perry whites.

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Funny how, no matter what, if anyone in this city tries to make a go at something positive their are always those certain posters on this forum that will make fun of it. Why don't you guy's go ahead and do something with yourselves?LOL

Back in my home town their use to be a diner where you old grumpy farts would gather to talk about politics and your medications. You should consider this. Think of the good you could bring to the local economy if you had you meetings over a cup of coffee and a plate of egg whites.
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I'll drink to that!!!
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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If they want to bring people downtown, they need to open up a Buffalo Wild Wings, not another specialty restaurant.  :)
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MIDDLETOWN, Ohio – A Middletown prosecutor said Thursday she didn't do anything out of the ordinary when she reduced drunk driving charges facing a former Oxford Township police officer who admitted he had been drinking when he was pulled over last weekend.  

Ashley Bretland agreed to lower the operating a vehicle under the influence (OVI) charge facing 30-year-old Jason Suttles to reckless operation —and a judge signed off on her recommendation to give him his license back—despite the fact that the former police officer refused to take a Breathalyzer test. 

Bretland said she made her decision to reduce Suttles’ charge not because he was a cop, but because he hadn’t been pulled over for driving drunk before. It's a decision she said she often makes.

“With no priors and no egregious circumstances, I didn’t do anything differently on this case than I would on any similar case. There was no consideration that he was a police officer. He didn’t get preferential treatment,” Bretland said.

In Ohio, an OVI charge is a first-degree misdemeanor that occurs when someone is driving with a blood alcohol content over the legal limit of .08 percent. A reckless operation charge is a minor misdemeanor and does not carry the same mandatory penalties as an OVI charge, like jail time or a driver's license suspension.

Bretland said she commonly reduces drunk driving charges to reckless operation when a person is pulled over on suspicion of drunk driving for the first time—a philosophy that she declined to discuss.

She said she makes her decision on a case-by-case basis, but always considers the blood alcohol content level in each circumstance.

But in the Suttles' case there was no record of his blood alcohol content level because he refused to take the Breathalyzer test.

Bretland would not comment on the factors she considered when reducing Suttles charge, other than the fact that he had no prior offenses. 

Trenton police officer Steven Helton arrested Suttles Saturday after Suttles tried to avoid being pulled over near West Roger Road, according to the police report. The officer spotted Suttles’ vehicle because it was missing a light near the license plate. Helton followed the car.

The report details the arrest:

Once pulled over, Suttles got out and had to steady himself on his car.

“While dealing with the driver, I observed the strong odor of an intoxicating beverage coming from his person. The driver…had bloodshot eyes, slurred speech and advised me that he was coming from Mutts Brewery Lounge,” Helton wrote.

Suttles was arrested on suspicion of drunken driving and taken to Middletown Jail, where he was released without bond. 

While jailed, Suttles refused again to take a Breathalyzer test. He also refused to sign Helton's OVI ticket.

Under Ohio law, a driver's license is automatically suspended for a year when a driver refuses to submit to tests that indicate blood-alcohol level. The law states that if a first-time offender fails the test, they’ll lose their right to drive anywhere for a minimum of 90 days, spend between three days and six months in jail, and must pay a minimum of $250 in fines.

But Suttles, who pled guilty to the reduced charge and resigned from the police department on Monday, only lost his license for about two days.

And his 30-day jail sentence was also suspended.

“He’s paying a $250 fine, he’s going to an alcohol intervention program and he’s going to be locked up over a weekend. How is suspending his license going to do anything else?” said Mark Wall, the Middletown judge who heard Suttles’ case in court.

WCPO Insiders can read what else the judge had to say about his decision in the case.

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A worthy endeavor, thanks processor. I wish them the very best.

I was checking the weather forecast and the bottom screen on the Cincinnati station said the Middletown prosecutor did not charge a Middletown officer for DUI, insinuating unequal treatment between city employee and resident.

Details? 
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No it's not legally organized as a non profit....though it may be that.

I think what Jay was saying was that he did this to support and help downtown Middletown. The restaurant will need to financially support itself certainly, but Jay's main objective was NOT to make a bunch of money. If it happens great, but if it doesn't great too as long as the restaurant helps further development of downtown.
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The RESTURANT business is a tough business. You need trustworthy people or your profits can walk right out the back door! Good luck
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"Moorman said Fairchild “knew Middletown was important to Perry and he wants to carry that on.”

When asked if he believes the new restaurant can be successful, he said “it’s not about money.”

Instead, he said, the goal is to make Murphy’s Landing something Middletown “can be proud of where everybody has a good experience. It will be successful if downtown is successful."

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This is established as a "non profit", not an LLC or corporation?

Same enthusiasm for the Towne Mall private equity firm ownership, also rather entrepreneur?

Wealth sharing- Johnny Java's, Murphy's (MCSD caters considerably to JJ). No cannabolism with sizeable pockets from public sector.

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"if he is able to turn a deaf ear to the distracting noise from the city people he may be successful"

HOW ABOUT "IF HE IS ABLE TO GENERATE ENOUGH INTEREST IN WHAT HIS BUSINESS OFFERS, HE MAY BE SUCCESSFUL". WHETHER HE LISTENS TO THE DISTRACTING NOISE FROM THE CITY PEOPLE OR NOT, HIS FATE IS IN THE HANDS OF A SPECIFIC NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WILL PATRONIZE HIS BUSINESS AND KEEP IT PROFITABLE.

WE SHALL SEE IF HE HAS THE RIGHT GAMEPLAN FOR SUCCESS. SEEING THE DOWNTOWN TRANSFORM FROM A NON-INTERESTING, PREDOMINATELY VACANT AREA OF THE CITY TO AN ACTIVE, SELF-SUPPORTING AREA WOULD BE NICE. I DON'T SEE THE DOWNTOWN EVER REACHING THE POTENTIAL THAT THE SUPPORTERS ARE HOPING FOR UNTIL THEY CHANGE THEIR FOCUS AND THEME AND START MAKING AN EFFORT TO ATTRACT BUSINESSES OUTSIDE THEIR "CULTURAL UMBRELLA". INSTEAD OF LOOKING FOR TENANTS/OWNERS THAT FILL THE CULTURAL BILL WITH ARTS AND UPSCALE RESTAURANTS, PERHAPS LOOK OUTSIDE THAT BOX AND INCLUDE BUSINESSES THAT WOULD ENCOMPASS THE GENERAL POPULATION. IF A BUSINESS LIKE QUISNOS, THAT WAS MORE ACCLIMATED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC COULDN'T MAKE IT AT A DESIRABLE DOWNTOWN LOCATION, WHAT ARE THE ODDS OF AN UPSCALE BUSINESS, ATTRACTING EVEN LESS CLIENTELE, GOING TO BE? PERHAPS BRING IT DOWN A NOTCH OR TWO.   
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Mr. Fairchild is a smart business man I wish him well in his venture, if he is able to turn a deaf ear to the distracting noise from the city people he may be successful. He has to be strong enough to tell those with no business track record to but out. IMO
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I have no idea about a $75K loan. I know for a fact that the money for the restaurant came from a group of private investors who used their personal money.

You may be right that the restaurant won't be successful because it is catering to the wrong people. Or it may fail because of poor performance. But it may be very successful. Who knows. It's just opinion right now. But isn't that what business is all about? Try out an idea and see if people like it.

Look at Over the Rhine. It was horrible a few years ago, but is starting to turn around due to individuals who had a vision and invested their own time and resources. It may fail, or it may be the next hot spot. Who knows? But at least the investors are making an effort and are relying on themselves to succeed or fail.
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"My point was that here we have a local business guy who is spending non government money (so what he has investors..how is this different from getting a bank loan? and no there was NO government money for the restaurant) on a venture that he thinks will be successful. He has invested his own reputation, money, time and effort"

PROCESSOR, COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHERE THE $75,000 LOAN FROM THE CITY CAME FROM THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE MOORMAN'S A YEAR OR TWO AGO? IE- WAS THE SOURCE FOR THIS MONEY FROM PRIVATE CITIZENS.....OR WAS IT TAXPAYER MONEY IN THE CITY'S HANDS AND PASSED THROUGH TO THE MOORMAN'S WHO ARE CONSIDERED "FRIENDS OF THE CITY"? IF LOANED TO THE MOORMAN'S FROM THE CITY, HAVE THEY PAID IT BACK AS YET? IF IT WAS A "FORGIVABLE LOAN", HOW DID THAT LOAN HAPPEN IF IT WAS THE "PEOPLE'S MONEY"? COULD YOU ELABORATE ON THIS IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION. AS IT STANDS NOW, WITH NO OTHER INFO., THE PERCEPTION IS THAT THE MOORMAN'S RECEIVED THE PEOPLE'S MONEY WHICH TAKES THE LUSTER OFF OF YOUR COMMENT ABOUT IT BEING ALL THE INVESTORS AND THE MOORMAN'S MONEY.

IF, INDEED, THE MOORMAN'S RECEIVED A FAVOR FROM THE CITY TO HELP MAINTAIN THEIR BUSINESS, THAT WOULD INDEED BE A DISCRIMINATORY PRACTICE FOR OTHER "NONE FRIEND" BUSINESSES AND THE SELECTIVE ROUTE FOR SPECIAL FRIENDS. THAT, IS WHAT SOME ARE ANGRY ABOUT. NOT, THAT THEY ARE REJUVENATING THEIR BUSINESS TO MAKE ANOTHER GO OF IT. MORE POWER TO THEM IF THEY WANT TO USE THEIR OWN MONEY.

AGAIN, IF YOU HAD ONE PERSON OR A HUNDRED PEOPLE WHO STARTED A BUSINESS DOWNTOWN, WHETHER THEY USED TAXPAYER MONEY, THEIR OWN MONEY OR OBTAINED PRIVATE INVESTORS, THE DOWNTOWN WOULD NOT "BE ON TRACK TO TURN AROUND" IF......IF, NONE OF THESE BUSINESSES OFFERED WHAT THE GENERAL POPULATION WANTED OR NEEDED. THE SIDEWALKS ARE NOT CROWDED DOWNTOWN, LIKE THEY WERE DECADES AGO, BECAUSE THERE SIMPLY ISN'T ANYTHING OFFERED THAT ENTICES PEOPLE TO GO THERE. EMPTY STORES, CRAFTZY/ ARTZY THINGS AND OVERPRICED FINGER FOOD/FRU FRU RESTAURANTS JUST DON'T ATTRACT ENOUGH PEOPLE TO CALL IT A SUCCESS.....NOT IN THIS TOWN. THE BUSINESS PEOPLE LIKE THE SPIDER CAN SHED MORE LIGHT ON THIS THAN I, AS A NON-BUSINESS OWNER, BUT ISN'T ONE OF THE SECRETS TO OPENING A BUSINESS OF ANY KIND, TO FIRST EXAMINE THE DEMOGRAPHICS, INTERESTS AND SPENDING POWER OF A COMMUNITY TO DETERMINE IF WHAT YOU ARE OFFERING FITS THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY? DON'T YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN AUDIENCE TO VIEW YOUR ACT BEFORE YOU CAN A) CALL IT A SUCCESS, B) EVEN REMOTELY STAY IN BUSINESS AND C) NOT CLOSE THE DOORS WITHIN TWO WEEKS BECAUSE THERE IS NO FOOT TRAFFIC COMING IN THE DOOR BECAUSE YOU DON'T OFFER WHAT ANYONE WANTS AT THE PRICE THEY CAN AFFORD TO PAY?

I'VE NEVER BEEN A BUSINESS PERSON BUT I WOULD THINK THAT YOU NEVER OPEN THE DOORS IF YOU KNOW YOU WILL BE CATERING TO LESS THAN 10% OF THE AREA'S POPULATION.....THAT IS, UNLESS YOUR GOAL IS A SHORT-LIVED EXISTENCE. NOT LOGICAL.

THE MOORMAN'S OFFER A NICHE BUSINESS AND ARE TOTALLY AT THE MERCY OF A SMALL ELEMENT OF SOCIETY AND IF THAT ELEMENT DOESN'T SHOW UP OR SHOWS AND IS DISSATISFIED, IT WON'T BE A GOOD THING. THE PRICES FOR THEIR FOOD AND THE PORTION SIZES, ESPECIALLY IN MIDDLETOWN, FURTHER EXACERBATES THE PROBLEM WITH REMAINING IN BUSINESS. JMO

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    You have stated some very sound principles in this latest blog. They not only apply to businesses started downtown but everywhere in our city.Thanks for the post.
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Whether you personally like the restaurant; whether you think it will be successful; and whether you think it is will employee enough people is beside the point. My point was that here we have a local business guy who is spending non government money (so what he has investors..how is this different from getting a bank loan? and no there was NO government money for the restaurant) on a venture that he thinks will be successful. He has invested his own reputation, money, time and effort. This is what Middletown needs to begin to pull itself back up. I stand by my statement that if we had 30 people like this; downtown would be on the track to turn itself around. Government NEVER will be able to successfully turn a place around. It will take individuals who have a dream, work hard, and have resources to have a chance at getting this done.

If you don't like it, then DON'T go. But don't denigrate someone else who is giving it a shot. It's not your money at stake. Try building your own glass house.

Remember the guy who founded Fed Ex. He wrote the business plan for a college class. The professor told him it would never work and gave him a very low grade. Bet the professor wishes he had bought stock at the IPO.

Spider. Thanks for patronizing local places. The Moorman's will have to EARN people's business by providing them what they want. I hope and believe that they are up to the task.
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"The article with the man possessing sniper gear, including night vision goggles, assault weapons, and enough ammunition to arm a battalion was unsettling. For many, the tipping point has been reached; when is one's personal safety a serious concern just living in Middletown is a family danger."

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Just an observation, but between Brown's Run dues and "meal" commitment, Wildwood, Stefano's, The Square, Blue Goose (I assume it is still opened), and ease of driving to West Chester, elsewhere, can Middletown support multiple establishments? A question....I don't have the answer.

Alien,  I was aware BV received the loan. Of course there are amenities a city has to have to attract high income earners, it has it in the tennis club, Brown's Run, Wildwood, Weatherwax, private schools, the new health and fitness center is terrific, the Y, Stained previous and now Murphy's Place, etc.

The best marketing foundation it does have is the inexpensive college educational facilities, MUM and Cincinnati State. The problem is the crime and infrastructure has the 10x power to negate the positives adding allure and charm.

The article with the man possessing sniper gear, including night vision goggles, assault weapons, and enough ammunition to arm a battalion was unsettling. For many, the tipping point has been reached; when is one's personal safety a serious concern just living in Middletown is a family danger.

Its hard to be Oakwood or Lebanon when perceived to be Over the Rhine with evidence confirming such.  
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Riddle me this:

How many show up for the average "first Friday" (wine and cheese)???
How many show up for the average "Broad St. Bash" (beer and cheeseburgers)???

It's really that simple!
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"I'm disappointed, but not surprised, by the lack of support from the members of this forum."

PROCESSOR, I WOULD BE WILLING TO BET THAT THIS FORUM REPRESENTS MOST IN THIS TOWN AS TO LIKES, DISLIKES AND CULTURAL INTERESTS. MOST ON THIS FORUM WOULDN'T PATRONIZE THIS ESTABLISHMENT BECAUSE THE NATURE OF THIS BUSINESS PIGEONHOLES ITSELF TO ATTRACT A VERY LIMITED AMOUNT OF CITIZENS IN THIS CITY. I HAVE SAID IT BEFORE AND I WILL KEEP ON SAYING IT....THIS CITY IS MOSTLY BLUE COLLAR FACTORY WORKERS INTERESTED IN NASCAR, BEER, SHOOTING BILLARDS AND FOOTBALL. IT IS NOT A WINE TASTING, CHEESE MUNCHING, OPERA GOING CULTURAL CROWD, NOR IS IT INTERESTED IN WHAT THE DOWNTOWN CROWD IS OFFERING. THIS TOWN HAS 10% CULTURE AND 90% BLUE COLLAR TASTES. ALWAYS HAS HAD SINCE I WAS AROUND IN THE 50'S. IT IS TOO POOR AS TO DISPOSABLE INCOME TO GO TO A PLACE LIKE THE MOORMAN'S ARE TRYING TO ESTABLISH. MOST SIMPLY CAN'T AFFORD, NOR LIKE UPSCALE "FRU FRU" FOOD. IT IS NOT ENOUGH AND IT IS TOO EXPENSIVE FOR WHAT YOU GET IN PORTIONS. IF THEIR INTENT IS TO BUILD A BUSINESS LIKE THIS, AND TO DO IT BY VOLUME, IT WILL NEVER WORK.......UNLESS IT BECOMES REAL POPULAR WITH THE CULTURED FOLKS FROM OUT OF TOWN AND THEY SHOW IN DOWNTOWN MIDDLETOWN EVERY WEEKEND WITH A PERIODIC VISIT THROUGH THE WEEK. THERE IS LITTLE INTEREST IN WHAT IS HAPPENING DOWNTOWN AND THE GAMEPLAN FOR DEVELOPMENT IS TOTALLY OFF BASE WITH THE CITY DEMOGRAPHICS.

YOU MAY SEE THIS NEW START FOLD IN LITTLE TIME IF THE SPECIAL INTEREST CULTURAL PEOPLE DON'T TAKE AN INTEREST IN IT. THEY ARE THE ONLY TARGET THE MOORMAN'S HAVE AND IT CERTAINLY ISN'T BROADBASED.

PROCESSOR: "If we had 30 Moorman's investing their money, time and effort into downtown ventures the city of Middletown could quit wasting their time, and our money, downtown and look somewhere else to waste our tax dollars since the downtown would be in GREAT shape"

NO, YOU WOULD STILL SEE A LACK OF RESPONSE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA BE IT 1 MOORMAN OR 30 MOORMAN'S. IT DOESN'T MATTER THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE LIKE THE MOORMANS STARTING A NEW BUSINESS, IT IS THE CONTENT IN WHAT THEY HAVE TO OFFER, THE PRICE AND THE PERCEPTION THAT IT IS A GOOD DEAL THAT WILL ATTRACT OR NOT ATTRACT PEOPLE DOWN THERE. THEY SIMPLY DON'T OFFER WHAT THE GENERAL POPULACE LIKES AND ARE WILLING TO SPEND THEIR LIMITED CASH ON. TO MOST IN TOWN, IF THEY ARE HUNGRY, THEY WILL HEAD TO BURGER KING OR MCD'S FOR THE DOLLAR MENU BECAUSE IT IS PERCEIVED AS GETTING MORE FOR THEIR MONEY AND WILL ACTUALLY FILL THEM UP WHEN THEY ARE FINISHED. WHEN YOU HAVE AN EXTRA 10 BUCKS IN YOUR POCKET, YOU DON'T GO TO THE MOORMAN'S PLACE FOR ONE 5 DOLLAR BURGER, YOU GO TO MCD'S FOR A SACK OF DOUBLE CHEESEBURGERS. THE DOWNTOWN WILL NOT BE IN "GREAT SHAPE" UNTIL THOSE WHO WISH TO DEVELOP IT CHANGE DIRECTION, RE-FOCUS AND GET MORE IN TUNE WITH THE TYPE OF PEOPLE WE HAVE LIVING HERE, AND OFFER THEM WHAT THEY WANT, NOT WHAT THE BUSINESS OWNERS THINK THEY OUGHT TO HAVE. JMO
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Processor - Thanks for the positive thoughts - spot on!

Acclaro - The loan was for BeauVerre, private investor funds were used for the Stained Bistro. You don't see any negatives in MUSA posting? C'mon man, 90% of the comments is negative.

And no, I have nothing to do with downtown investments and not employed by the City.
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processor---I patronized the place 5-6 times. They had a few good dishes, ironically my last meal there was my best. I usually dined alone at the bar because I couldn't get anyone to go there with me.

I prefer to patronize businesses that patronized mine. I eat around quite a lot. Stain was too quiet and empty--the bar was a boring place to eat(by yourself), and the dining room reminded me of a funeral parlor.

I like the Moormans and respect their accomplishments. I wish them well and will eventually give the new place a fair shot. Currently I prefer At the Square because it is a more lively friendly place with under-rated food. Stefano's is still the local king, and the best option to have a good meal among familiar locals.

I do miss The Cottage donuts.
A big loss imo.

It's not that easy operating a profitable business in the local climate.
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processor, I slightly take exception to your comments.

In regards to the Moorman's, it is my understanding the city provided them with a low interest, if not a 0%  loan, with terms which may include forgiveness.

Their core business is also one they could do in any community, and employ perhaps 4-5 employees. I don't perceive that in the same realm as GE Aircraft. As to their money, in addition to the additional city funding, is my understanding they have 15 or more business partners, including Chris Fiora, maybe a few BOE members, Rasmussen (perhaps he sold his share), and others. I see that city was the incubator and accelerator in seed money, associated with the building, and they had the installed base of stained glass clients.

I also see the city attaching its entire focus of a third try at "downtown" revitalization, around their business, at the detriment of the east end and other areas within Middletown. With the departure of The Manchester, the thrust has been to build a new dance facility and now apparently one of The Manchester's most appealing products; the brunch.

As for supporting the new restaurant, that is an individual choice. Personally,  I have always held Stefano's has been well established and added the lucrative bar area. For brunch, I like the Marriott in West Chester or the Golden Nugget in Kettering/ Oakwood.

I fail to see the negativity you reference other than was self inflicted by the city focusing upon downtown and on terms that were fairly enticing for the business initially.

Where am I going wrong?       
'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill
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