good morning Acclaro, and fellow blogers

just to be clear , I don't wish to implement that formula , i just wanted to show that in some states sales tax helps re leave the burden from land owners. I don't have a bonefied solution to the problem . The unconstitutionality of the inequality in funding and inequality in common education are by the supreme count of Ohio a significant abuse of citizens constitutional rights. they relinquished jurisdiction because they could not get the  state representatives and senators to in act legislation that would fix the unfair funding of districts that have favorable higher income demographics as well as poor neighborhoods not receiving the funding so they could have a rich mans public school. When a  murderer commits his crime and the authorities can not aprehend  the criminal it dose not make him innocent. The supreme court has notified all representatives, senators and citizens that the crime has been committed against your constitutional freedoms. your legislators need to aprehend the bogus legislation that produces this hanus propagating system and stand for your constitutional rights. What is the correct fix ?? well you can blog about that but if your legilators dont fix it, why should we continue to fund their unability to derive a positive outcome.  stop all funding till they sit down and ratifiy something that  is fair in funding and comon and equal in education. Stop giving the money just out of pitty that they canot come to tearms with a positive solution.  Dont confuse the issue with the can of worms of income tax , federal , state , or local. that it self should be addressed in a blog by its self.  I do like the language you have provided  Acclaro " rather, it is arbitrary and inequitable" as it in some respects show the unconstitutional attributes that are in place. I know you did not intend for that particular use of the reference in your language, so I will be satisfied with your perception. at least for  a few hours..LOL !!
On a nice spring day like today all should consider that it is with in each season that the struggle for equality in social  and  economic  programs have a renewed interest by concerned citizens. This is as well part of the process and constitutional freedoms this state , and country provide  in the equitable solutions that citizens try to provide for all social and economic demographic groups.  It is democracy in action and its by far not perfect . Renew your interest in a common goals with a ferver of a porcupine. Defend what principals you stand for from the predators of unconstitutional legislation.
and get out and smell the flowers, its your freedom, enjoy


Abolish the property tax for the school system!! its unconstitutional !!

Vote no on may 6 if you want to make a change in the current system!!

 

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and that's the rest of the story , good day ( Paul Harvey 1946)

Luke, and fellow bloggers,

 

first off Cooper  turn your light off please , I don’t like motel 6 as they have bed bugs , never going there sorry LOL !!!!!!

 

while it might be true I don’t have the algorithm correct, and don’t know the specifics , I know that a high school diploma should have the same cash or educational value to  the rich , Middle class , or poor citizens. Threw  a % based land tax the rich pay more for their children’s education than the middle class  and the poor. This parallel is in reference that each social demographic group  most likely has property values that are reflective of their economic demographic attributes.  To contend as a government that a rich person should pay more for the same high school diploma that the poor get  is robbery !!!  All citizens should pay equally for all public  school services they get from their government.  Luke what you state at least tries to reduce the burden on  property tax payers. And yes it’s a legislative nightmare to get your elected representatives and senators to co-operate with out porking the bill up with ear marks they are trying to bring home to their constituents.

 

Consider this report from Tennessee , 

 

http://www.sitemason.com/files/jWin6g/educational_funding_primer.pdf

 

Tennessee public school system in Nashville is  where  their funding is 33 % from land tax,

26 % is from sales tax , 34 % is from state and government agencies , & 7 % is from other sources.

This is a  alternative. And don’t forget what %%%% comes from the Ohio state lottery ???? any body got

That number or statistic ? never heard any one talk about that  number ???? where’s that money fit in ?

Show me the money !!!

In other words are we to believe that that the Ohio School Facilities Commission is distributing these proceeds from the lottery with out audit or accountability that has been called for  thru out many years. Can any body give statistical Analysis on how that lotto money is helping our schools ?? im sure with all the intelligence this blog has to offer some one can come up with a report that is available on the web to show how it helps reduce our tax burden.  Yes I said REDUCE our tax burden. And don’t forget the county raised your tax burden this year.  Im sure all ya all welcomed that with open arms Like that song from JOURNEY.

 

Lets peal that onion and make some people cry !!!!

 

These things being said , and the fact that there is reasonable  concepts within my opinion why would you not want to fix it correctly? Or at least in a fashion that shows some fair play. To continue in the same rut is like funding a drug addicts habit till their own death. A alternative that shows some reasonable effort to distribute the tax burden would be more likely accepted. Also if you did not suggest a tax burden till death for the benefit of a failing school system, that might help as well.  In any case I must continue in the pursuit of a equal and fair tax system that includes all tax payers and residents legal or illegal. Their kids go to our schools and they should pay as well. Or use contraception !! 

 

I take no offence to any jab at my written statements. It only strengthens my resolve to  try to express my self in a way that might be better understood. 

I like jokes keep them coming  

Vote no on may 6 if you want to make a change in the current system!!

 

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Brevity is the soul of wit   /  and with out laughter over the kinks in society anarchy might prevail.

and that's the rest of the story , good day ( Paul Harvey 1946)

aflatkey,

You have some solid ideas, you aren't getting the framing correct.

States like North Carolina have higher state income tax, around 6.5-9 %, while Ohio is below 4%. But, Ohio makes up for it in much higher property tax, almost double to three times higher for the same amount of value.

What Ohio should do is raise its state income tax, to about 7%, add .5-1% to sales tax, take those total funds at state level, minus budget allocations, set aside enough total budget for school districts in total throughout state, which is below 700, and divide an equal amount to each district. That makes a better equitable distribution, which is what you are trying to say.

Agreed?  

Mr. Aflatkey,

Every state charges a different rate for tax for the use of a cell phone. But that is constitutional, because everyone pays the same percentage, and the user can choose not to have a cell phone.

In Ohio, if I get use service, without buying an item, you still have to pay a sales tax. How is that constitutional when I am using a service, but am not taking ownership of it?

We'll keep that porch light until you come over to the yes levy group.

 

I don't know a hospital that dose not pay its employees and the employees profit from their work there .additionally they keep on building more health care facilitys all around the nation. They must be making money as the stock market is invested heavy'ly in health care industry. It is a cash cow for the investors. If its a non profit hospital its now out of the new health care protocols. Just look at your health care cost.

Mr. aflatkey,

You are confused. It is equal taxation because it is based on percentage. Take Butler County for example. Tax rate is 33% for all properties, excluding non profits.

The state tax level, for income, is about 3.5%, and that is equal, for all people.

How do you handle the non profit hospitals with your plan? We'll leave the porch light on for you.

   

mymy opinion is that all citizens and residents should pay equal tax with equal representation. In other words to tax a person that has a higher value home more in public school land tax than a person in a lower value home is discrimination. All citizens should contribute equaly not based on their wealth or lack of wealth. In that video it showed that if property values rose a person with higher value home was paying more than his fair share. Equal representation for equal taxation is the thread that needs to be defined as in the video if local expenses were 1000.00 for the taxing district a equal share for 3 homes is 333.33 a year. Each house hold pays a equal part for their services. The minute you put property values into the equation it becomes unequal taxation of citizens because of the assumed value of their property. You see useing property values to overtax the rich is the unequality all citizens should be taxed the same amount of cash value for it to be equal.

Dean i understand your plight. you think your responsible as a tax payer to provide what the Ohio state constitution is supposed to provide FREE of CHARGE to all citizens threw equal taxation with equal representation. you state "It is an act of benevolence" to support your school system. FREE WILL BENEVOLENCE is never suggested, administered, required, imposed, taxed, or expected. FREE WILL BENEVOLENCE is giving out of your kind hart with no recompense or salutation to ones work as a achievement in ones legacy. So if you are truly a benevolent citizen please fix the schools need for real estate and geographical location with your benevolent hart. We will respect your privacy as true FREE WILL BENEVOLENCE goes with a gladness in ones hart to help others in a time of need. In other words if you suggest that it is benevolent to endorse the school  bond levy , and just by your suggestion that we should all co-operate with your concept,  you have robed us of our FREE  WILL from the benevolent act your propose. I imagine that might seem confusing, irrational, or incoherent, however it lines up with the teachings that have been handed down to generations of people threw BENEVOLENT  doctrines around the world. True FREE WILL BENEVOLENCE is practiced with out recompense or influence on others.

Abolish the property tax for the school system!! its unconstitutional !!

Vote no on may 6 if you want to START making a change in the current system!!

 

Visit

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Middletown-Ohio-Vote-NO-on-Issue-3/784089358269325?ref=br_tf

 

and like the page to show support of your constitutional freedoms in Ohio.

 

please don't hesitate to tell me your opinion as

 

Brevity is the soul of wit  

 and with out laughter over the kinks in society anarchy might prevail.

and that's the rest of the story , good day ( Paul Harvey 1946)

A week ago, I began this topic. To my amazement, the juxtaposition of each side of Phase Two of school project for the Middletown system has been carved, deeply dissected, and presented in a crystalized fashion.

I was leaning NO, but after reading the posts of many, with apologies to names I am unfamiliar, my family and I will be voting a resounding YES to the levy May 6. For myself, and many others which fall into supporting the levy category, we are driven by the words of writer Thomas Paine, whom some who share an “anarchist” philosophy, may have read many of his books, including Common Sense, and others which fueled independence from the British monarch. As Paine said: “One good schoolmaster is more use than a hundred priests.”

Schooling is critical in shaping minds of the future. It is an act of benevolence to support those attending school today, as parents supported the schools when I was growing up, as did parents before those parents. Every child deserves our support, financially, emotionally, and enthusiastically.  

The district project began over a decade ago, and to pull back from funding schools at this fork in the road would harm not only the district, students, and Middletown, but our economy and reputation. Our city has taken some severe hits over time. But, we can’t just throw in the towel, raise our hands in exasperation, and say to ourselves and our neighbors, “it’s over, shut er down.”  By delaying the levy support, even five years, would move the district drastically behind its neighboring communities.

Dissenters have said: “come now, that’s parity, just spending money to keep from falling deeper behind”.  I say, so what! We must not fall further behind, or we are biting our nose to spite our face.                           

Some of raised objections that Vail is too historic to tear down, and must be saved. The building was iron clad, “bullet-proof”, as I have read many discuss car repairs and maintenance. It is evident all around us history is important and protected. The old courthouse in Hamilton will cost hundreds of thousands to restore. For many, its’ worth the investment. There is a difference in a building like Vail, and its’ memories, former athletes risen to glory, former students that rose to prominence, and a new building. A significant difference.

New schools have modernization, ease of expansion, and reduce expenditures that add little to nothing to the instruction of education. A middle school used by kids making the transition from innocence to raging hormones, deepening voices, advanced curiosity, and transition to dating, dances, and serious competitive athleticism creates wear, tear, and abuse. Remember your first try behind an MG or VW bug trying to use a clutch, the manual standard. You have vivid memories of missed gears almost stripping gears, the worn tires, and the sweaty palms as you rolled back on a hill awaiting the red light to change to green. That’s what these middle schools have endured, and withstood, over several generations. We don’t withdrawal from progress, future updates, enhancements, because we are stuck in the past.

There are many reasons to vote this critically important levy down, and there are as many reasons to continue forward. Both cases have been presented. When you step into the booth, or send in the absentee ballot by MAY 6^TH, ask yourself two simple question. Did you have the support of parents when you were in school funding the system you attended, and did that education lay the foundation for your success today, your livelihood, and ability to make good decisions throughout your life. Secondly, will voting NO serve benefit to you as a resident in the community, as others looking to invest in Middletown, to move to function as residents, students, and working professionals, or will you cast a protest vote to change a system, or because you think you went through the district when K-12 scrutiny wasn’t in place, and district report cards were not measured on every possible level.

Be a gladiator, get in the coliseum, and vote with a clear conscious.                                    

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please don't hesitate to tell me your opinion as

Brevity is the soul of wit   /  and with out laughter over the kinks in society anarchy might prevail.

and that's the rest of the story , good day ( Paul Harvey 1946)

Think out side the box ,  synergistic integration  like the La Quitna inns commercial

Abolish the property tax for the school system!! its unconstitutional !!

Vote no on may 6 if you want to START making a change in the current system!!

 

Visit

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Middletown-Ohio-Vote-NO-on-Issue-3/784089358269325?ref=br_tf

 

and like the page to show support of your constitutional freedoms in Ohio.

 

please don't hesitate to tell me your opinion as

 

Brevity is the soul of wit  

 and with out laughter over the kinks in society anarchy might prevail.

and that's the rest of the story , good day ( Paul Harvey 194

I too would like to thank Ms. Andrew for her contributions on this forum. I wish the city council, Doug,Judy and Les could be as forth
coming and informative. Ms. Andrew, you supply us with facts and truths we don't get that from city administrators. It's refreshing and appreciated.

Marcia Andrew wrote: ... Heck, even Mr. Presta joined the committee!   (ha ha, no offense Mr. Presta, we definitely appreciated your time and input -- my point is this shows we were not excluding people who would not agree with some pre-ordained outcome). Mr. Presta commented on here about his participation in the committee process a year and a half ago or so when it wrapped up its re-evaluation of the the master plan.  My recollection is that, while he was disappointed that more people on the committee did not share his views or his emphasis on minimizing the price tag, he felt he was given time to state his thoughts.  The people on the facilities committee and the people who attended the open forums ranked the various alternatives, and the top 3 were brought to the BOE for consideration.   Originally the Verity property had been chosen as the site for a new high school.  Then, when input from the community indicated they wanted to keep the current high school at the high school and renovate it, Verity was chosen as the site for a new middle school.  The BOE approved that plan.  Then, there was a public outcry against that location for a middle school.  This led the facilities committee to re-evaluate again, and find a way that a new middle school could be built on the same campus as the high school, and the majority of people were happy with that solution.  (btw, the cost to renovate Verity would be 80% of cost of building a new building the size of Verity, and we need a middle school double the size of Verity).   ...

Ms. Andrews: