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    Posted: May 22 2014 at 7:53am
Re: PN & OTH,

Hear, hear!!!
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Yes PN you've said it very deplomaticly I on the other would like to see Dean do some investigating on his own or I'm sorry but if it gives you a headache thenTURN IT OFF. IMO
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Dean,
As much as I liked your comments on "Vote For levy" I think you crossed the line on this one. Now, you have indeed jumped into this HUD mess. As far as Doug Adkins is concerned there are people who have much much against him that is justified and I wouldn't say from my understanding of their opposition to him that they are necessarily "grinding an axe".  In recent years there has been a lot of corruption and many of us know of it first hand. I was challenged once to bring proof otherwise it was just hearsay. Well, the problem is that those who commit political corruption have families. So, some of us refuse to take it to court even though we know we have the evidence and strong cases but we cannot in good conscience do it because they indeed would do some jail time and pay some money that would negatively impact their families as they have hurt citizens  families for many years.
           Otherwise, I think that those like you who want to put a lid on it for a month and have just recently come to the forum should not put a lid on it any longer and should get involved as soon and as thoroughly as possible and as quickly as possible. Thats' what makes democracy work and thats' what makes this great forum work.
         If this talk is giving some people headaches my recommendation is to take two baby aspirins and then do your homework like involved citizens and don't be apathetic any longer regarding our local government. We should have heard from you long before this.
         The devil we know has done more than enough to hurt this city and its taxpayers in many ways and is far more dangerous than any  "devil" we might get otherwise.
         City hall may not be infatuated with Doug Adkins. It could very well be that under the circumstances they are too weak to get rid of him. I hope not and they will soon do the right thing.
         Dean, maybe it is not a migraine you have. Maybe, your political consciousness is coming alive and its a new line of thinking you're getting involved with. I hope so. Thank you for your post and please keep on.
         Paul Nagy
         
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 I don't mean to jump into this HUD mess, but I would like to make some points associated with observation.
It seems there are few people who have an axe to grind with Doug Adkins. For all I know, or others, maybe its justified, maybe its not. But, I have a confession. This talk about going to jail, wrongdoing, breaking the bank on legal fees, and transfer to another county of HUD vouchers or to keep them, is giving alot of people a serious headache.
 
If you don't know anymore than " I heard it from someone", "an insider told me this", or "rumor has it", its gone, could you just put a lid on it for a month or so? It just seems pretty darn clear city hall likes Doug Adkins, and many times, the devil you know, is better than the devil you don't.
 
My migraine would be appreciative. 
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I think this is beginning to come clear, if Dougie convinces council we didn't do any thing wrong then council will give him a green light to continue this path with HUD. Doug worked for the gov't so he knows how slow it's works so how convenient for Dougie he'll have job security. Boy, he sure can spin it can't he. IMO
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SWOH75 - All that Vivian and Nelson (in all of his incarnations here) seem to do is post hearsay/gossips/rumors.  Until I see proof of wrong-doing in print, I'll reserve judgement on the HUD matter.  

Posted: 7:00 p.m. Tuesday, July 9, 2013

MIDDLETOWN

HUD finds ‘deficiencies’ in Middletown’s action plan

By Michael D. Pitman

Staff Writer

    MIDDLETOWN — The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development has rejected Middletown’s plan to eliminate more than 1,000 subsidized housing vouchers — also known as Section 8 — over the next five years because the proposal failed to meet the federal agency’s statutory or regulatory requirements, officials said.

    HUD informed the city of its decision in a June 13 letter that outlined five “substantive” deficiencies within the city’s five-year and annual plan. A recurring criticism of the plan from HUD was that the city had not done enough to consider the impact of the voucher reductions on low-income families with children, minorities and persons with disabilities or to fully justify their actions.

    The federal housing agency made several recommendations about how city officials could address the identified deficiencies and gave them until mid-August (roughly 60 days) to make corrections and respond back.

    The letter, which was presented to City Council members Tuesday, comes as HUD is preparing for a three-day visit to Middletown next week for a Civil Rights Compliance review of the city’s Section 8 program.

    City Council and administrators have argued that Middletown has more low-income, subsidized housing per capita than any city in Ohio, and that it is putting a strain on city services and negatively impacting Middletown’s image and economic development efforts. Section 8 housing accounts for 14.3 percent of Middletown’s total housing stock. City officials proposed cut of 1,008 vouchers would bring that number closer to 10 percent, which they maintain is ideal.

    Most council members interviewed Tuesday by The Journal said they weren’t surprised by HUD’s response and said they still support efforts to curb the number of Section 8 vouchers by 60 percent. But Councilman A.J. Smith, who has been a constant dissenting voice on the issue, said he still believes the city should stop the reduction attempt.

    “What I want to see is the (Middletown Public Housing Agency) is being run efficiently and effectively, and it’s serving those folks that it’s supposed to serve,” Smith said. “No more and no less; and that’s not what we are doing right now.”

    Smith said he would rather have the Butler Metropolitan Housing Authority take over the city’s Section 8 program so it can give voucher holders more piece of mind, and city staff can focus its time on other things. The city’s 1,662 Section 8 vouchers is nearly double the combined number of Section 8 vouchers in Butler County.

    In August 2012, HUD had a review of the city’s Section 8 program, and in September 2012, the agency asked the city for an action plan “given the extremely low leasing percentages and virtual absence of a waiting list.” The city only had 89.3 percent of its vouchers filled and the federal requirement was to have 95 percent of them filled.

    HUD also wanted an action plan to address the city’s late and undocumented housing inspections.

    The latter of the two plans requested was sent to HUD in December after it was approved by the Middletown Public Housing Agency, which consists of the seven-member City Council. HUD, which “disapproved” the five-year and annual plan, sent its response on June 13 citing the five deficiencies and suggested remedies to the city’s 6-page action plan.

    The former of the two plans was submitted to HUD in October after the MPHA voted 6-1 to support the plan authored by Community Revitalization Director Doug Adkins. The plan states the city needs to eliminate more than 60 percent of its vouchers over the next five years, which was reflected in the five-year and annual plan.

    HUD spokeswoman Donna White offered no comment beyond the June 13 letter saying, “At this point, the letter speaks for itself.”

    City Manager Judy Gilleland said staff is working on a response “and will provide it in a timely manner.” She offered no comment specific to the letter.

    The June 13 letter from HUD “shows that we have some work to do” in making the city’s case for its stance, said Mayor Larry Mulligan.

    “HUD has its mission to fulfill, which is certainly important, and we’re trying to focus on the needs of the Middletown community and all of our citizens and to strike that balance to support and sustain without crippling the entire city,” the mayor said. “It’s a careful balance and that’s a message we have to work with HUD to fully explain.”

    Vice Mayor Dan Picard said he is “concerned” about the letter, but doesn’t regret the city’s direction in eliminating 1,008 vouchers.

    “I am very concerned about what’s going on, the potential costs and it’s something we need to stay on top of,” he said. “I think we’re doing what we have to do, and I hope that we get to the point where we want to be, and I have confidence we can. I’m just concerned what it’s going to take to get there.”

    The city’s costs in attempting to essentially give back Section 8 vouchers to HUD, Picard said, will be significant. Outside counsel has been retained to prepare for the Civil Rights Compliance review by HUD next week, and staff has spent countless hours in responding to HUD’s correspondence.

    The city’s Section 8 program receives about $10 million from HUD, which is tied to the number of vouchers held by the city. Millions of dollars are paid to Section 8 landlords. Only a few hundred thousand dollars goes to the city, which is split with Nelson & Associates which manages the program.


UNMATCHED COVERAGE

The Middletown Journal has been the only consistent news agency covering the debate between the U.S. Housing and Urban Development and the city of Middletown about reducing 1,008 Section 8 vouchers.

PLAN DEFICIENCIES

The letter cities five “deficiencies” of the plan and have provided suggested remedies:

·                       MPHA must examine its actions and its impact on families with children, minorities and persons with disabilities. Of the 1,662 vouchers, 675 are designated for the non-elderly disabled population and only 417 of those are issued. HUD is requesting records that outline actions taken by the city to further fair housing and any impediments the city have experienced.

·                       The MPHA’s mission statement “does not adequately address” the mission for serving the needs of low income, very low income and extremely low income families for the next five years. Any mission statement must include how the city will service the needs of families that fall into these classifications during that time frame.

·                       The MPHA’s goals and objectives do not address serving low income, very low income and extremely low income families over the next five years. The city needs to include how it will service the needs of the families during that time frame.

·                       The city did not identify the housing needs of low income, very low income and extremely low income families, including the elderly, families with disabilities, households of various races and ethnic groups, and other families on the Section 8 waiting list. The city needs to provide that data.

·                       Because housing needs were not identified, stating the “MPHA does not anticipate opening the waiting list due to be over leased and over budget authority” is not accurate. The city needs to provide a strategy to service the housing needs of the city.

Council reactions

Middletown City Council members react to the HUD letter that spells out five deficiencies with its five-year and annual plan, which outlines its intent to reduce 1,008 Section 8 Housing Choice vouchers from the MPHA program.

Mayor Larry Mulligan: “The bottom line is, it shows that we have some work to do yet to explain our case and our rationale for it. HUD has its mission to fulfill which is certainly important, and we’re trying to focus on the needs of the Middletown community and all of our citizens and to strike that balance to support and sustain without crippling the entire city.”

Councilwoman Anita Scott Jones: “I’m not surprised by anything that was in there (the letter). HUD has its job to do and I trust that if there is something that we need to do that (Community Revitalization Director) Doug (Adkins) and all of those involved will do it.”

Councilwoman Ann Mort: “It’s another step in the process. We are trying to work our way down that process and I’m sure not too many folks have asked to go in the other direction.”

Councilman A.J. Smith: “I’m not surprised. This is exactly what I anticipated, which is why I didn’t support it (in October).”

Vice Mayor Dan Picard: “I m very concerned about what’s going on, the potential costs and it’s something we need to stay on top of. I have no regrets at all (in MPHA’s decision). I think we’re doing what we have to do and I hope that we get to the point we want to be, and I have confidence we can. I’m just concerned what it’s going to take to get there.”

Council members Josh Laubach and Joe Mulligan could not be reached for comment.

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Time out.

Lots of folks playing smash mouth on Vivian Moon.

Doug Adkins is the one who declared the city of Middletown to be 54% or more in poverty to spread NSP funds.

He wants the vouchers to be reduced, but the administration to stay in place in Middletown.

A city has 54 % or greater in poverty, and the smash mouth players are chasing Vivian Moon.

So 5 % that make greater than 100,000 annually are in an uproar, Middletown has poverty, and want the vouchers lowered to get rid of the low lives.

Look in the mirror.

You see a reflection. Its a hypocrite.

  
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In all matters pertaining to HUD, the City Council is always considered the applicant for the City of Middletown. Thus, it is inconceivable that City Council members from 1999-2005 were unaware of these requests for additional HCV units.
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Start by contacting the City Clerk to obtain minutes of City Council meetings from 1999-2005. Therewith you can find pertinent City Council actions on forthcoming HUD applications for additional HCV units. Again, according to your research, most of these actions took place between 1999-2005. Marty Kohler may also have these records.
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Perplexed indicated he knew the vouchers came from Neil and Olson, and not Kohler, and I assume he was in a position as an employee, to know.
I error on the side of facts.

No No Acclaro
I believe the HUD documents that requested the increases in vouchers that I saw were signed by 
Neil Barille, Angela Tucker and Marty Kohler...
Olson may have signed off at the bottom as City Manager
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City staff most responsible for the unwarranted escalation of HUD Housing Choice Vouchers are: Ron Olson (City Manager), Neil Barille (Planning Director and Angela Tucker (Community Development Coordinator). However, Marty Kohler did tell me on several occasions how the expanded Section 8 program was rejuvenating and stabilizing Ward 2. You may be surprised to hear me say this, but, it is the truth. Marty was on staff only when the last Housing Choice Vouchers were requested by the city and approved by HUD.

Thank you Perplexed
I believe this statement brings us full circle in our discussion of the Section 8 Program.

Has the Section 8 Program DEVISTATED the City of
Middletown as Mr. Adkins has stated?

Or has the Section 8 Program rejuvenated and stabilized Ward 1 and Ward 2?

If City Hall had been frugal and used the HUD funds in the areas of greatest need would we even be discussing this program and these areas today?

Or has the Section 8 Program become the whipping post for City Hall because of their failed plans, wasteful spending and lack of leadership over the past 15 years?


When it comes to other plans and expenditures of CDBG and HOME funds prior to 2007, my sentiments are well known and documented.

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Originally posted by acclaro acclaro wrote:

<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">Respectfully.... you said he/she supported Adkins, that was untrue.

Perplexed indicated he knew the vouchers came from Neil and Olson, and not Kohler, and I assume he was in a position as an employee, to know.

I error on the side of facts.




"Respectfully.... you said he/she supported Adkins, that was untrue."

NO, I SAID HE SUPPORTED THE INNER SANCTUM AS A GROUP, NOT CITING ADKINS IN A SINGULAR FASHION. ADKINS JUST HAPPENS TO BE THE FOCAL POINT IN THIS DEBATE. PERHAPS MY POST WAS UNCLEAR AS TO INTENTIONS. IF SO, THAT IS MY FAULT.
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Originally posted by spiderjohn spiderjohn wrote:

Hold on, SWO---IMO Marty K has been on the wrong side of many issues for close to 20 years.
He, along with last admin/commissions/councils, is very much to blame. His historic and former downtown area plans haven't produced much, have discouraged many possible businesses, and wasted millions in local taxpayer $$.

And personally, I like the guy. Just disagree with the direction he prefers for the city.
+ I ? How he originally spent the grant $$ when he was in charge. Time for a lot if changes around here regardless of who becomes the next city manager.

So--where is Mtown29?
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STILL WANT TO QUESTION WHICH SIDE OF THE FENCE SW IS ON? SW'S COMMENTS SEEM TO TAKE THE SIDE IN SUPPORT OF THE CITY BUILDING GANG, DON'T THEY?
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Respectfully.... you said he/she supported Adkins, that was untrue.

Perplexed indicated he knew the vouchers came from Neil and Olson, and not Kohler, and I assume he was in a position as an employee, to know.

I error on the side of facts.

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Originally posted by swohio75 swohio75 wrote:

Furthermore, no proof of illegal wrong-doing or misappropriation by Marty Koehler has ever been presented here, just bitter feelings by Vivian that he wouldn't give her money for her little cemetery vault project.

Perhaps Marty is guilty of good intentions gone bad with the expansion of section 8/vouchers.





ACCLARO...SPIDERJOHN....STILL THINK SW ISN'T IN DEFENSE OF THE CITY GANG? HERE'S A SHOT A VIVIAN, WHO WANTED NOTHING MORE THAN TO TAKE CARE OF AN AGING CEMETERY WITHOUT INCURRING THE WRATH OF THE CITY LEADERS. SW TAKES THE SIDE OF KOHLER, EVEN WITH HIS TRACK RECORD OF CITY DAMAGE PRESENTED HERE ON THIS FORUM. READ SOME OF THE PAST SW POSTS AND YOU DECIDE HIS SIDE OF THE FENCE HERE.
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Perplexed; were any city council members aware the latest request for section 8 vouchers were made, and misled the public by stating they did not authorize them? If so, whom? 
Acclaro
All this information can be obtained by requesting copies of the MPHA meeting minutes for the dates that I have already provided on this blog. I would assume that council members had to vote on all these increases during those meetings if you need proof.


Neil Barielle sold his house on Windridge Court for $200,000. to a firm that rents out property. Over the years, it had tenants including one that was a child molester. For the past year, it has sat empty, with grass 3 feet tall, and a swimming pool cracked and filled with stagnant water. It hasn't been rented in nearly a year. So much for poetic justice and prophecy associated with an "economic director."
Need to call Doug’s office and give address of this home and demand that this property be cleaned up.

Laura Williams needs to bring down her dead ash trees before someone has a tree fall on them while driving on Rosedale.   

Need to call Doug’s office and give address of this home and request that the dead tree be removed.

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Perplexed; were any city council members aware the latest request for section 8 vouchers were made, and misled the public by stating they did not authorize them? If so, whom?

Neil Barielle sold his house on Windridge Court for $200,000. to a firm that rents out property. Over the years, it had tenants including one that was a child molester. For the past year, it has sat empty, with grass 3 feet tall, and a swimming pool cracked and filled with stagnant water. It hasn't been rented in nearly a year. So much for poetic justice and prophecy associated with an "economic director."

Laura Williams needs to bring down her dead ash trees before someone has a tree fall on them while driving on Rosedale.  

      
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City staff most responsible for the unwarranted escalation of HUD Housing Choice Vouchers are: Ron Olson (City Manager), Neil Barille (Planning Director and Angela Tucker (Community Development Coordinator). However, Marty Kohler did tell me on several occasions how the expanded Section 8 program was rejuvenating and stabilizing Ward 2. You may be surprised to hear me say this, but, it is the truth. Marty was on staff only when the last Housing Choice Vouchers were requested by the city and approved by HUD. When it comes to other plans and expenditures of CDBG and HOME funds prior to 2007, my sentiments are well known and documented.
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Hold on, SWO---IMO Marty K has been on the wrong side of many issues for close to 20 years.
He, along with last admin/commissions/councils, is very much to blame. His historic and former downtown area plans haven't produced much, have discouraged many possible businesses, and wasted millions in local taxpayer $$.

And personally, I like the guy. Just disagree with the direction he prefers for the city.
+ I ? How he originally spent the grant $$ when he was in charge. Time for a lot if changes around here regardless of who becomes the next city manager.

So--where is Mtown29?
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Furthermore, no proof of illegal wrong-doing or misappropriation by Marty Koehler has ever been presented here,
SWOH 75
I have never stated on this blog that Marty Kohler did anything illegal…If your going to attach me you better be able to….PROVE IT

 just bitter feelings by Vivian that he wouldn't give her money for her little cemetery vault project.
No SW he promised me CDBG grant money for the vault and then lied about it…You need to get your facts straight. And this has nothing to do with his other actions.

Perhaps Marty is guilty of good intentions gone bad with the expansion of section 8/vouchers.
PLEEZEE…Not another city or county in the state of Ohio has every requested this additional number of Section 8 vouchers…PROVE ME WRONG

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You couldn't be more wrong.  Based on the Bank One deal, I don't believe Adkins should be named city manager.  Nor do I think Landen should be either.  That doesn't mean others outside the city don't think he has the qualifications to be city manager.  
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Well where was all your outrage several months ago when Mr. Adkins did the very same deal, the same way with the
Masonic Temple that was donated to Art Central? A building owned by City Hall with a value of over $5,000, that was not appraised, nor was it put up for public bid…AS REQUIRED BY LAW. Maybe you need to do your research.

All that Vivian and Nelson (in all of his incarnations here) seem to do is post hearsay/gossips/rumors.  Until I see proof of wrong-doing in print, I'll reserve judgement on the HUD matter.  
HUD has stated that MPHA had missing records and was not in compliance….that means wrong doing has occurred. If you are looking for a transcript of the meetings those are private and we may never know what really happened…only the final outcome of the case. 
If you think I’m sooo wrong…jump on it SW…prove my research wrong…with your own hard facts.
 
I am fully in agreement that Howington is the best candidate of the five, from what I can tell based on what has publicly been made available.   Still, I think a more non-traditional candidate/turn-around expert would be a better fit. 
At least we agree on something 

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Furthermore, no proof of illegal wrong-doing or misappropriation by Marty Koehler has ever been presented here, just bitter feelings by Vivian that he wouldn't give her money for her little cemetery vault project.

Perhaps Marty is guilty of good intentions gone bad with the expansion of section 8/vouchers.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote processor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 20 2014 at 4:53pm
Acclaro,
Not only should all be outraged, and a group of individuals should be help accountable but we need to support our city leaders in their endeavor to significantly reduce the number of section 8 vouchers in the city. It is a huge mess, caused by our city leaders, but at least they've woken up and are now trying to reduce the vouchers. Unless the city has signed a contract with HUD then screw HUD and their money. Let them complain and take us to court. I don't know of any constitutional law that would give HUD the right to tell a city what to do.

It's not like the city has done a good job spending HUD's money anyway.

The place to hold the city leaders accountable is at the ballot box.
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Full agreement with Acclaro here, and see SWOhio as a sensible person not totally in love with what goes on around here.
Let's don't attack and act like the Donham aristocrats. We will have a new city manager soon, hopefully followed by many admin changes.
Then we can concentrate on changing our mayor and council. Should be an interesting meeting today.
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