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Mike_Presta
MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483 |
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Posted: May 22 2014 at 7:53am |
Re: PN & OTH,
Hear, hear!!!
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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over the hill
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 19 2012 Location: middletown Status: Offline Points: 952 |
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Yes PN you've said it very deplomaticly I on the other would like to see Dean do some investigating on his own or I'm sorry but if it gives you a headache thenTURN IT OFF. IMO
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Paul Nagy
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jan 11 2009 Status: Offline Points: 384 |
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Dean,
As much as I liked your comments on "Vote For levy" I think you crossed the line on this one. Now, you have indeed jumped into this HUD mess. As far as Doug Adkins is concerned there are people who have much much against him that is justified and I wouldn't say from my understanding of their opposition to him that they are necessarily "grinding an axe". In recent years there has been a lot of corruption and many of us know of it first hand. I was challenged once to bring proof otherwise it was just hearsay. Well, the problem is that those who commit political corruption have families. So, some of us refuse to take it to court even though we know we have the evidence and strong cases but we cannot in good conscience do it because they indeed would do some jail time and pay some money that would negatively impact their families as they have hurt citizens families for many years. Otherwise, I think that those like you who want to put a lid on it for a month and have just recently come to the forum should not put a lid on it any longer and should get involved as soon and as thoroughly as possible and as quickly as possible. Thats' what makes democracy work and thats' what makes this great forum work. If this talk is giving some people headaches my recommendation is to take two baby aspirins and then do your homework like involved citizens and don't be apathetic any longer regarding our local government. We should have heard from you long before this. The devil we know has done more than enough to hurt this city and its taxpayers in many ways and is far more dangerous than any "devil" we might get otherwise. City hall may not be infatuated with Doug Adkins. It could very well be that under the circumstances they are too weak to get rid of him. I hope not and they will soon do the right thing. Dean, maybe it is not a migraine you have. Maybe, your political consciousness is coming alive and its a new line of thinking you're getting involved with. I hope so. Thank you for your post and please keep on. Paul Nagy |
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Dean
MUSA Resident Joined: Apr 15 2014 Status: Offline Points: 162 |
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I don't mean to jump into this HUD mess, but I would like to make some points associated with observation.It seems there are few people who have an axe to grind with Doug Adkins. For all I know, or others, maybe its justified, maybe its not. But, I have a confession. This talk about going to jail, wrongdoing, breaking the bank on legal fees, and transfer to another county of HUD vouchers or to keep them, is giving alot of people a serious headache.
If you don't know anymore than " I heard it from someone", "an insider told me this", or "rumor has it", its gone, could you just put a lid on it for a month or so? It just seems pretty darn clear city hall likes Doug Adkins, and many times, the devil you know, is better than the devil you don't. My migraine would be appreciative.
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over the hill
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 19 2012 Location: middletown Status: Offline Points: 952 |
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I think this is beginning to come clear, if Dougie convinces council we didn't do any thing wrong then council will give him a green light to continue this path with HUD. Doug worked for the gov't so he knows how slow it's works so how convenient for Dougie he'll have job security. Boy, he sure can spin it can't he. IMO
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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SWOH75 - All that
Vivian and Nelson (in all of his incarnations here) seem to do is post
hearsay/gossips/rumors. Until I see proof of wrong-doing in print, I'll
reserve judgement on the HUD matter. Posted: HUD finds ‘deficiencies’ in |
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Neil Barille
MUSA Resident Joined: Jul 07 2010 Status: Offline Points: 238 |
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I know nothing. I see nothing.
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Cooper
MUSA Resident Joined: Apr 25 2014 Status: Offline Points: 62 |
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Time out.
Lots of folks playing smash mouth on Vivian Moon. Doug Adkins is the one who declared the city of Middletown to be 54% or more in poverty to spread NSP funds. He wants the vouchers to be reduced, but the administration to stay in place in Middletown. A city has 54 % or greater in poverty, and the smash mouth players are chasing Vivian Moon. So 5 % that make greater than 100,000 annually are in an uproar, Middletown has poverty, and want the vouchers lowered to get rid of the low lives. Look in the mirror. You see a reflection. Its a hypocrite. |
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Perplexed
MUSA Citizen Joined: Apr 22 2009 Status: Offline Points: 315 |
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In all matters pertaining to HUD, the City Council is always considered the applicant for the City of Middletown. Thus, it is inconceivable that City Council members from 1999-2005 were unaware of these requests for additional HCV units.
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Perplexed
MUSA Citizen Joined: Apr 22 2009 Status: Offline Points: 315 |
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Start by contacting the City Clerk to obtain minutes of City Council meetings from 1999-2005. Therewith you can find pertinent City Council actions on forthcoming HUD applications for additional HCV units. Again, according to your research, most of these actions took place between 1999-2005. Marty Kohler may also have these records.
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Perplexed indicated he knew the vouchers came from Neil and Olson, and not Kohler, and I assume he was in a position as an employee, to know.
I error on the side of facts. No No Acclaro I believe the HUD documents that requested the increases in vouchers that I saw were signed by Neil Barille, Angela Tucker and Marty Kohler... Olson may have signed off at the bottom as City Manager |
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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City staff most responsible for the unwarranted escalation
of HUD Housing Choice Vouchers are: Ron Olson (City Manager), Neil Barille
(Planning Director and Angela Tucker (Community Development Coordinator). However, Marty Kohler did tell me on
several occasions how the expanded Section 8 program was rejuvenating and
stabilizing Ward 2. You may be surprised to hear me say this, but, it is the
truth. Marty was on staff only when the last Housing Choice
Vouchers were requested by the city and approved by HUD. |
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VietVet
MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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"Respectfully.... you said he/she supported Adkins, that was untrue." NO, I SAID HE SUPPORTED THE INNER SANCTUM AS A GROUP, NOT CITING ADKINS IN A SINGULAR FASHION. ADKINS JUST HAPPENS TO BE THE FOCAL POINT IN THIS DEBATE. PERHAPS MY POST WAS UNCLEAR AS TO INTENTIONS. IF SO, THAT IS MY FAULT. |
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I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over.
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VietVet
MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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STILL WANT TO QUESTION WHICH SIDE OF THE FENCE SW IS ON? SW'S COMMENTS SEEM TO TAKE THE SIDE IN SUPPORT OF THE CITY BUILDING GANG, DON'T THEY? |
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I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over.
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acclaro
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2009 Status: Offline Points: 1878 |
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Respectfully.... you said he/she supported Adkins, that was untrue.
Perplexed indicated he knew the vouchers came from Neil and Olson, and not Kohler, and I assume he was in a position as an employee, to know. I error on the side of facts. |
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'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill
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VietVet
MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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ACCLARO...SPIDERJOHN....STILL THINK SW ISN'T IN DEFENSE OF THE CITY GANG? HERE'S A SHOT A VIVIAN, WHO WANTED NOTHING MORE THAN TO TAKE CARE OF AN AGING CEMETERY WITHOUT INCURRING THE WRATH OF THE CITY LEADERS. SW TAKES THE SIDE OF KOHLER, EVEN WITH HIS TRACK RECORD OF CITY DAMAGE PRESENTED HERE ON THIS FORUM. READ SOME OF THE PAST SW POSTS AND YOU DECIDE HIS SIDE OF THE FENCE HERE. |
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I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over.
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Perplexed; were any city council members aware the latest
request for section 8 vouchers were made, and misled the public by stating they
did not authorize them? If so, whom? |
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acclaro
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2009 Status: Offline Points: 1878 |
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Perplexed; were any city council members aware the latest request for section 8 vouchers were made, and misled the public by stating they did not authorize them? If so, whom?
Neil Barielle sold his house on Windridge Court for $200,000. to a firm that rents out property. Over the years, it had tenants including one that was a child molester. For the past year, it has sat empty, with grass 3 feet tall, and a swimming pool cracked and filled with stagnant water. It hasn't been rented in nearly a year. So much for poetic justice and prophecy associated with an "economic director." Laura Williams needs to bring down her dead ash trees before someone has a tree fall on them while driving on Rosedale. |
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'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill
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Perplexed
MUSA Citizen Joined: Apr 22 2009 Status: Offline Points: 315 |
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City staff most responsible for the unwarranted escalation of HUD Housing Choice Vouchers are: Ron Olson (City Manager), Neil Barille (Planning Director and Angela Tucker (Community Development Coordinator). However, Marty Kohler did tell me on several occasions how the expanded Section 8 program was rejuvenating and stabilizing Ward 2. You may be surprised to hear me say this, but, it is the truth. Marty was on staff only when the last Housing Choice Vouchers were requested by the city and approved by HUD. When it comes to other plans and expenditures of CDBG and HOME funds prior to 2007, my sentiments are well known and documented.
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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Hold on, SWO---IMO Marty K has been on the wrong side of many issues for close to 20 years.
He, along with last admin/commissions/councils, is very much to blame. His historic and former downtown area plans haven't produced much, have discouraged many possible businesses, and wasted millions in local taxpayer $$. And personally, I like the guy. Just disagree with the direction he prefers for the city. + I ? How he originally spent the grant $$ when he was in charge. Time for a lot if changes around here regardless of who becomes the next city manager. So--where is Mtown29? Screen name change? |
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Furthermore, no proof of illegal wrong-doing or
misappropriation by Marty Koehler has ever been presented here,
Perhaps Marty is
guilty of good intentions gone bad with the expansion of section 8/vouchers. |
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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You couldn't be more wrong. Based on the Bank One
deal, I don't believe Adkins should be named city manager. Nor do I think
Landen should be either. That doesn't mean others outside the city don't
think he has the qualifications to be city manager. |
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swohio75
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jun 13 2008 Status: Offline Points: 820 |
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Furthermore, no proof of illegal wrong-doing or misappropriation by Marty Koehler has ever been presented here, just bitter feelings by Vivian that he wouldn't give her money for her little cemetery vault project.
Perhaps Marty is guilty of good intentions gone bad with the expansion of section 8/vouchers. |
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processor
MUSA Resident Joined: May 07 2013 Status: Offline Points: 151 |
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Acclaro,
Not only should all be outraged, and a group of individuals should be help accountable but we need to support our city leaders in their endeavor to significantly reduce the number of section 8 vouchers in the city. It is a huge mess, caused by our city leaders, but at least they've woken up and are now trying to reduce the vouchers. Unless the city has signed a contract with HUD then screw HUD and their money. Let them complain and take us to court. I don't know of any constitutional law that would give HUD the right to tell a city what to do. It's not like the city has done a good job spending HUD's money anyway. The place to hold the city leaders accountable is at the ballot box. |
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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Full agreement with Acclaro here, and see SWOhio as a sensible person not totally in love with what goes on around here.
Let's don't attack and act like the Donham aristocrats. We will have a new city manager soon, hopefully followed by many admin changes. Then we can concentrate on changing our mayor and council. Should be an interesting meeting today. |
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