VOTES FOR LEVY

I'm glad I voted against the levy. The only thing people cares about is sports. I have never voted for a school tax levy in Middletown and never will.

Ms. Moon: I have no clue. I don't have any affiliation with the schools, other than being a resident. just 1chmoore.

chmoore
Since Verity School is in the wrong neighborhood and MSB will be needing money why hasn't this property been
placed on the open market and sold?
This is a total waste of taxpayers money to let this school just sit and rot away.

Now that the planning and design of the new middle school will be underway, it would be nice to get the assurance from the board and superintendent that several "treasures" will be incorporated in the new/remodeled buildings. Among these are the statues of Abe and George, and the stone "wisdom sayings" on the exterior of the building (auditorium, gym, etc.). The statues should be easily moved. NO ONE should personally profit from these unique items. No "backroom deals," no "handshake purchases," no "silent"---or even public---auctions of these. On this topic, I am MORE than just 1chmoore.

Vet I do agree with you on most of your points about taxes and holding people responsible. However I had to split with you on this issue mainly due to the fact that the community, does have an obligation to provide a decent place for education, much like we had when we went to school. True we may not of have had A/C and internet when we went to school, but they are a fact of life now. Much like the community also needs to provide support, services and a building to it's senior citizens, which I also voted for. 

chmoore1 wrote: VV: First off, I think that I always replied. Never tried to avoid it. 2nd: You have no idea how I've supported the system through my life. I need not--and will not---go into details. Good catch on the capitalization---since it's a deviance from my norm.   I did it for effect, since I saw the need to "yell"; apparently you don't get it unless I yell. I have nothing against the Senior Center and its levy. I wanted to use that as an example of how we all can't get what we want all the time. Hopefully for the last time, I find value for my contribution (tax money) in having a new building over a 100 year-old, inefficient building that has no option at this point than getting older and more outdated. By the way, the OSFC states that if costs over 2/3rds (66%) to renovate, rather than build new---if they are participating in the construction costs---they recommend new. Without a long discussion about the process to convince the OSFC otherwise, it is extremely difficult to do that. Cincinnati Public has done that with several buildings, but had to pay a lot more for all of the LFIs (locally funded initiatives). Perhaps with the new middle school being built, the board will agree to alternatives to demolition of dear old MHS/Vail/MMS. A qualified buyer was never found for Roosevelt; it didn't work well years ago for Maple Park, Sherman and "old" Amanda. just 1chmoore--still retired, not Smartman or Marcia, and still have an opinion.

Ok, you have addressed the on-going discussion of "do we build new or do we renovate". You got what you wanted there. Now, third (or fourth time, who's counting anymore), the question is asked of you.....

WHY DID YOU VOTE YES ON THE BOND LEVY KNOWING THE LACK OF PERFORMANCE ISSUES OF THIS SCHOOL DISTRICT AND KNOWING THAT THE LAST BOND ISSUE FOR THE ELEMENTARIES HAVE PRODUCED NOTHING IN RETURN?....IE- WHY DID YOU WANT TO REWARD THIS DISTRICT KNOWING THERE HAS BEEN ONLY STAGNATION IN EDUCATING THE KIDS HERE?

IF THE FIRST BOND LEVY PASSAGE PRODUCED NO IMPROVEMENT, WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO REPEAT THE FAILURE WITH THIS BOND LEVY? WE ALL ARE GOING TO GET NOTHING FOR OUR MONEY IF THE FIRST LEVY IS ANY INDICATOR OF THINGS TO COME, RIGHT? WHY KEEP HONORING EVERY REQUEST WITH A REWARD GIVEN TO A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T SHOWN ANY PROGRESS? ISN'T THERE ANY ACCOUNTABILITY ATTACHED TO YOUR WALLET?

I'M USING CAPS BECAUSE I'M YELLING BECAUSE YOU DON'T GET IT BY THE WAY.

Simply a falsehood on the petition per ORC. It is not cumbersome.

It does nothing to alter LFI, as they aren't funded by the state.

The issue was economics and value add, not history.

Taking 1.5 Mm out of local economy for a school and upgrade, is so illogical, when the local economy is bleeding.

Klinger does survey, spin the cash around, and the results will be the same in 10 years.

Too impatient to await a few years to a better match.

Madness.

VV: First off, I think that I always replied. Never tried to avoid it. 2nd: You have no idea how I've supported the system through my life. I need not--and will not---go into details. Good catch on the capitalization---since it's a deviance from my norm.   I did it for effect, since I saw the need to "yell"; apparently you don't get it unless I yell. I have nothing against the Senior Center and its levy. I wanted to use that as an example of how we all can't get what we want all the time. Hopefully for the last time, I find value for my contribution (tax money) in having a new building over a 100 year-old, inefficient building that has no option at this point than getting older and more outdated. By the way, the OSFC states that if costs over 2/3rds (66%) to renovate, rather than build new---if they are participating in the construction costs---they recommend new. Without a long discussion about the process to convince the OSFC otherwise, it is extremely difficult to do that. Cincinnati Public has done that with several buildings, but had to pay a lot more for all of the LFIs (locally funded initiatives). Perhaps with the new middle school being built, the board will agree to alternatives to demolition of dear old MHS/Vail/MMS. A qualified buyer was never found for Roosevelt; it didn't work well years ago for Maple Park, Sherman and "old" Amanda. just 1chmoore--still retired, not Smartman or Marcia, and still have an opinion.

Hey, you did respond!! Good for you ch.

Now to the debate, argument, anger, resentment, annoying comments, irritation, smart-a-- comments....anything you want to call it......

ch:
"almost as annoying as your BS about "6 of 26 indicators"...."
WELL, HELL CH, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT ANYMORE, CHANGE THE DAM THING TO REFLECT BETTER NUMBERS. JUST STATING A FACT OF LIFE FOR YOUR LOUSY SCHOOL SYSTEM. IT'S A MESS BUT THE BLIND SUPPORTERS IN DENIAL APPARENTLY THINK IT'S JUST PEACHES. IF THE NUMBERS STAY THE SAME FOR YEARS, WHAT ELSE CAN YOU SAY? MERCY.

ch:
VAIL NEEDS TO BE REPLACED!!!!!! NOW, CH, YOU USED ALL CAPS HERE. STOP SCREAMING AT US..... I BELIEVE THAT WAS MENTIONED BY EITHER YOU OR ONE OF YOUR BUDDIES MONTHS AGO.

REPLACED HUH? BUILDING NEW IS THE ONLY OPTION FOR THE PRO-LEVY GANG. (EVEN THOUGH BUILDING NEW SCHOOLS A FEW YEARS AGO HASN'T DONE JACK SQUAT AS TO IMPROVEMENT)

ch:
"Oh, now I want it saved. Don't tear it down. I peed there in 1966. It's historic

BY GOD, I DID PEE THERE IN 1966! IT IS HISTORIC BUT THAT MEANS NOTHING IN THIS TOWN. DIDN'T WITH ROOSEVELT SCHOOL NOR ANY OF THE ELEMENTARIES. WON'T NOW WITH VAIL EITHER. HATE TO SEE WADE E. MILLER GO MOST OF ALL. NOW THERE IS HISTORY IN THAT GYM AND IT IS A FINE PLACE TO WATCH B_BALL. GOT CHARACTER UNLIKE THE NEWER GYMS BUILT IN THE LAST 20 YEARS.

ch:
To answer your statement: I am retired. Even with "limited funds" as you say, I can still spend $10.00/month on the schools. I know, not all property owners can afford $10/month, but since I choose to spend that on our schools, that's what I want to do.

A NOBLE CAUSE CH. NICE OF YOU TO STILL HAVE FAITH IN YOUR SCHOOL SYSTEM, DESPITE THE POOR STATE OF AFFAIRS WITH PRODUCTION OF A QUALITY PRODUCT. I SUPPOSE ONE CAN STILL CHOOSE TO SUPPORT A LOSER.

ch:
even though I'm retired---what's my ROI (another what's my one of your annoying phrases) from the Senior Citizens' levy that was passed against my approval, and costs me $6/month? $6/month or $10/month---I want my money to go to schools---not to support a "failed" senior center facility

CH, IF I HAVE TO SUPPORT YOUR SCHOOL LEVY, THAT YOU SO TREASURE, TO BE FAIR, SHOULDN'T YOU SUPPORT THE LEVY THAT I BENEFIT FROM? THE ROI IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THOSE WHO INVEST AND WANT SOME TYPE OF DECENT RETURN. CERTAINLY YOU OWN STOCKS AND HAVE SOME SORT OF PORTFOLIO. MOST RETIRED OR APPROACHING RETIREMENT DO. SURELY YOU WANT SOMETHING FOR YOUR MONEY BESIDE A FANCY NEW BUILDING WITH AN INNER LAYER OF FUTILITY DON'T YOU? ALL OF US HAVE RECEIVED NOTHING, NOT DIDDLY SQUAT, AS TO A REWARD FOR THE 45 MILLION YOU APPROVED (I VOTED NO THEN ALSO). JUST AS THE SENIOR CENTER IS YOUR FOCAL POINT OF DISGUST, SO TOO, SO FAR, FOR MY FAMILY, THE SENIORS CENTER, WITH THEIR SERVICES, HAVE IMPRESSED ME MORE FOR MY TAX CONTRIBUTION THAN THE SCHOOLS HAVE DONE IN 3 DECADES OF LEVY APPROVALS. AT LEAST I HAVE SEEN MY SENIOR LEVY MONEY USED TO ACTUALLY IMPROVE THE LIVES OF PEOPLE, WHILE MY LEVY MONEY FOR THE SCHOOLS HAS ONLY RESULTED IN A STAGNATED POOL OF FAILURE.

HAVE YOU BEEN TO THE SENIOR CENTER? DO YOU KNOW THE SERVICES THEY PROVIDE BESIDES THE ACTUAL ACTIVITY INSIDE THE FACILITY SUCH AS THE SOCIALIZATION, THE GAMES AND THE HOT MEALS PROVIDED? WE USE NONE OF THOSE THINGS BECAUSE I CAN'T TAKE MY WIFE OUT DUE TO AN EMERGENCY SITUATION HAPPENING AT ANY TIME, BUT WE CERTAINLY HAVE BENEFITTED FROM THEIR OUTSIDE SERVICES. IF YOU EVER LOSE YOUR MOBIL INDEPENDANCE, YOU MAY BENEFIT ALSO AT SOME FUTURE DATE.

ch:
I want my money to go to schools---not to support a "failed" senior center facility. No discussion on that topic here, is there?

NOPE, EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE A CHOICE. LIKEWISE, I DON'T WANT MY MONEY TO GO TO THE "FAILED" SCHOOLS AND WILL SPONSOR THE SENIOR'S CENTER.

ch:
Once again, it's "annoying" to have to justify why I voted for the levy---I've explained it enough: VAIL NEEDS TO BE REPLACED and the "no" voters have no way to address that. If you do, EXPLAIN IT; TELL US WHAT YOUR PLAN IS, BESIDES WAIT UNTIL IT'S 100 YEARS OLD AND IN WORSE CONDITION. "6 of 26 indicators":

WHEN THE "6 OF 26 INDICATORS" FIASCO IMPROVES, IT WILL GO AWAY. PERHAPS SINCE YOU ARE A SCHOOL SUPPORTER, YOU COULD JOIN THEM AND SUGGEST WAYS TO IMPROVE THOSE NUMBERS. I'M BETTING YOU HAVEN'T MADE AN ATTEMPT TO HELP THEM BUT ARE TIRED OF HEARING THAT THEY HAVEN'T MADE PROGRESS. HELP YOUR SCHOOL BUDDIES SOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS CH. REMEMBER, YOU ARE A BIG SCHOOL SUPPORTER. TIME TO SHOW JUST HOW DEDICATED YOU ARE.

ch:
Once again, it's "annoying" to have to justify why I voted for the levy---I've explained it enough: VAIL NEEDS TO BE REPLACED

BUT CH, THIS IS ALL YOU HAVE SAID. IE- THAT VAIL NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. YOU HAVEN'T MADE AN ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS THE OTHER AREAS I HAVE ASKED YOU TO TALK ABOUT. AGAIN, FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME, WHY DID YOU VOTE FOR THE SCHOOL LEVY GIVEN THE POOR SCORES, THE POOR INDICATORS, THE DECLINING ENROLLMENT, THE OHIO SCHOOL RANKING TOWARD THE BOTTOM OF THE 612 SCHOOL LIST, THE KIDS BOLTING FOR OTHER DISTRICTS AND THE POOR EDUCATION QUALITY PRODUCED AS PERCEIVED BY PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE DISTRICT. NO ONE COMING INTO THE DISTRICT BUT PEOPLE STREAMING OUT. .....ALL OF THESE THINGS YOU HAVE FAILED TO ADDRESS OR ARE INTENTIONALLY AVOIDING BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO ANSWERS.

ch:
FIRED UP AND READY TO GO!" It is annoying, isn't it?

BUT NOT AS ANNOYING AS WATCHING PEOPLE VOTE FOR A LEVY, SWALLOWING EVERYTHING THE SUPERINTENDENT, THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THE TEACHERS SAY HOOK LINE AND SINKER. THOSE WHO BUY THEIR CRAP ARE GULLIBLE, TO SAY THE LEAST.

THE BALL IS IN YOUR COURT.

Untrue on maintenance, it included about .5 mil for maintenance within the 4 mil.

But the point on the next levy as to when, is accurate. The city and district will have them coming. A $500,000 property in Scottsdale Az is taxed at about 1700./ annually. A 160,000 house in Middletown is taxed at about 3500., from all the little pizza taxes, many who own NO property pass.

As for your comments on ethics, try $100,000 in donations by the school vendors for parties for parents, tee shirts, and campaign material. Of course, the hubris and disregard for the ordinance that manifested the planting of signage weeks prematurely. Add to it misrepresentation they were getting $40,000,000. for $55,000,000., when they got nothing in Phase 1, and the actual % of state contribution would have increased to nearly 40% in state match, and within 3-4 years out, if the levy failed.

These are significant and serious violations of Ohio Election laws, and those a school board and school district must avoid. I understand formal complaints have been registered at the Ohio Elections Commission. 

 

Here is a very unethical item that I am certain occurred:

spider:

"Only seems to polarize people and entrench them towards their position"

AND POLARIZED WE ARE.

spider:

"Occasionally the "lawyer" in the lady comes on a little hard,"

STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH IS WORSE.....LAWYERS, JUDGES OR POLITICIANS.

spider:

"Time to make this work. New and improved facilities, followed by increased enrollment, improved academic performance and a cleaner community image. Anything less will be viewed as a failed plan imo:

DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH IF PAST HISTORY IS ACCURATE. THE LAST BATCH OF NEW FACILITIES HAVEN'T PROVEN TO BE WORTH THE 45 MILLION SPENT. THE SPARSE INDICATORS MET, THE POOR PROFICIENCY SCORES, THE CONTINUAL DECLINING ENROLLMENT AND THE GENERAL DOWNTRODDEN IMAGE FROM OUTSIDERS HAS BEEN WITH US FOR DECADES. SERIOUSLY DOUBT ANY CHANGE WILL COME IN THE NEXT DECADE EITHER. JUST NEW SCHOOLS PRODUCING LOUSY RESULTS. THE BUILDINGS ARE CHANGING FROM OLD TO NEW, BUT THE END PRODUCT OUT THE DOOR IS STILL LOW QUALITY.