New City Manager

Mr. John, you are amusing. I am to provide substance about Doug Adkins or my support, when city council and a very select committee chose him? You need to head down to Boca Raton and smoke a few more with Robert Plant.

Ms. Moon, you have published the minutes with the voucher votes. Put up or shut up.

Mr. Self, please run for council or get on a selection committee in the future if you want to put in place selection criteria. Doug Adkins was clearly the best candidate or he would not have been selected. If not mistaken, two council members have JD's, one, a finance degree from a top 5 business school, another, a PHd, and the last, a Masters. They exceeded your academic standards. Doug Adkins has a JD.

The city should give him a 12-15 year contract, and I would not be surprised with it isn't a very long-term agreement. He deserves every penny he gets paid.     

It's immaterial who may think that Doug A. is a good guy or whatever. The issues are: 1) is he experientially and academically suited for the position; 2) does he have a desirable temperament, communication and consensus building skills to be the city's CEO; and, 3) what are the results (good and bad) relative to his last five years of city employment?

Relative to having a plan for Middletown, because he may have one, is it suited to the needs of the city? How does he propose to introduce new policies and program activities to expeditiously and economically to bring vitality to our declining city? Again, how does said plan differ from the program activities and results (good and bad) that he implemented since 2009? The proof is in the pudding!

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

Still tap dancing I see....The question was where did the vouchers come from then?

“If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” 
― Adolf Hitler

 

“What luck for rulers that men do not think.” 
― Adolf Hitler

Ms. Moon, NO one on council voted for the added vouchers. You have the burden of proof to show the minutes, and you can't! This is why the forum is taken as full of crackpots. 
Hmmm...No Mr. Factguy I do not have the burden of proof to show you anything in my computer...ZERO...I believe all this burden of proof stuff clearly belongs to that expensive ex HUD attorney that City Hall hired to take down HUD.
Humm…so you are now saying that city council acting as MPHA never approve ANY increase of vouchers over this 5 year period nor did they approve the yearly Annual Action Plan to HUD during this same 5 year period.? So all these vouchers just showed up on the steps of City Hall one morning along with a big check that they cashed the check and ??????
Well hells bells you should have been able to win that big HUD case in a matters of hours with all this proof.
Well now that I think on this maybe not…because I’m sure HUD does have copies of all these signed records that Middletown can’t seem to find.

But I do find it strange that the City of Middletown does not have the minutes to all these MPHA meeting and yet they have all the Middletown Park Board minute to the date it was organized in the early 1800’s.

wow--this factguy troll is disappointing
I expected a real exchange backed by data
all we get is taunting and insults
but that is what you do when you try to defend the indefensible
remember readers--this type of posting is usually a smokescreen to distract from something seriously gone wrong in the control room!
things must be in even more turmoil @ Donham!
besides if THIS freak is the best that they have to sacrificially throw at us, then it must be a mess in the bunker

factguy is a fraud--he has no facts
and has been incredibly wrong on so many of "his" positions
no wonder why the town has deteriorated to swap shops, fast food and dollar stores

how far from the former downtown area do you have to drive to buy a tomato, potato, head of lettuce or a pound of hamburger, factguy?
but you don't have to wander over a block to buy heroin, meth, pack of blunts or a direction card, do you?

yessir--that "art" theme has worked wonders--even Mr.Walden(the quality artist) is gone now. And Buck's 24-hour diner is now the busiest venue in the neighborhood (good job, Tim!)

so factguy--why did the S Main re-paving stop @ 9th?
Same for the fake street lights?
And why do we still need the old street lighting with them?
I didn't think that was to be part of the plan.
Have the assessments started yet?
If so, how many are in arrears?
How about some facts?

FactGuy:

"I love it when Mr. Vet types in all caps, and YELLS! That's right bud. You know when you have a direct hit, right bud."

FYI, I HAVE EXPLAINED WHY I TYPE IN CAPS. LONG AGO, SOMEONE SUGGESTED THAT I DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE STATEMENTS FROM OTHERS POSTED AND MY RESPONSE TO THAT STATEMENT. NOT YELLING, JUST FOLLOWING A SUGGESTION BY MAKING AN EASIER READ FOR THOSE INTERESTED.

Perplexed.

If it is Adkins or the others you have suggested, they need to grow up and stop the adolescent behavior while demonstrating they can communicate on an adult level. Hardly the behavior of a potential city manager. More like a juvenile needing to be taken out behind the woodshed. Just stirring the pot and abrasive so far with no attempt at discussion.....which, of course, results in a combative, abrasive response. We can all give as well as receive. So be it. We shall do battle with those who are blind to the truth and in denial as to the reality of the city's situation. I enjoy the rush. Sadly, they all learn nothing....even with proof to support this forum's claims. If this is their idea of a town that is run correctly, they have no idea how to assess the situation.

The Middletown City Council is also the legal entity commonly known as the Middletown Public Housing Authority (MPHA). Comprehend?

 Not one voted for raising the vouchers. Show me the money....minutes. You can't, no research will find the vouchers were raised. They must have pulled a massive paper shredder truck after the vote was taken and shredded them. I love it when Mr. Vet types in all caps, and YELLS! That's right bud. You know when you have a direct hit, right bud. 

You show me the minutes...What's the matter...to lazy to do your own research....PROVE ME WRONG!
I love it when all you City Hall folks come on this blog and call me out.....but you never have the proof to back up your mouth. 
HUD rules state that all increases have to be approved by MPHA.

Factguy...Boy you really are dumb as a box of rocks. City Council Members are the board of MPHA
They all voted on the additional vouchers.

Factguy wrote: Mr. Viet Vet doesn't like money grabbing lawyers, nor politicians, and wants to fire everyone in the city building but police and fire. He hates politicians. But, did you know he ran for office years ago? And he hates politicians because of it. He wants to cut back vouchers by a 1,0000, or at least for the past year, but now just wants no more increases. Next week, he will want them gone.  He wants accountability. Everyone he described is what Doug Adkins will deliver. But, Mr. Vet also hats money grabbing lawyers, so as Doug Adkins is a lawyer, just like Dan Picard, Joe Mulligan, and Noah Powers, he dislikes them 9add Marcia Andrew), because they are money grabbing attorneys. Moving on, he cites ruin as a noun or verb, but no reference to 'ruiner' a word that doesn't exist. Mike Presta agrees with middletown29, Steve Dillman took a hit upon city hall and downtown one more time, by working to bring in Dollar General near the downtown area. For shame huh. Vivian Moon credits the forum for additional asphalt in Middletown. Doug Adkins had Main Street paved to be a significant entrance to the restoration and pride taking place downtown, that many bash. It has also been said many times, Doug Adkins were of criminal nature, and yet he is not incarcerated, no charges were defined, and he just received a promotion. Are the hallucinations from natural or man made substances. Whatever is being smoked in the peace pipe, creates crazy thoughts and bizarre ideas.

WELL, SO FACT GUY WANTS TO VERBALLY SPAR WITH US. GOOD FOR HIM. LET'S DO IT BUD ONE STEP AT A TIME.......

"Mr. Viet Vet doesn't like money grabbing lawyers, nor politicians, and wants to fire everyone in the city building but police and fire"

LET'S CLARIFY FGUY. WHO DOES LIKE MONEY-GRABBING LAWYERS AND POLITICIANS. SOME ARE THE LOWEST DREGS OF SOCIETY AS TO MORALS, CLASS AND THE TRUST FACTOR. DAM RIGHT I HATE POLITICIANS AND YEAH, I RAN FOR OFFICE DECADES AGO. TRIED TO REPLACE THE OFFICE HOLDERS WHO WERE MAKING A CAREER OF SITTING ON THEIR HANDS AND SHOWING UP AT ELECTION TIME, BOTH LOCALLY AND AT THE STATE LEVEL. IMAGINE THIS, THE STATE POSITION IN QUESTION WAS MANNED BY A WELL KNOWN NAME IN MIDDLETOWN, WHO, AFTER HIS TERM LIMITS WERE OVER, WAS REWARDED WITH A FAT CAT JOB IN COLUMBUS WITH THE INSURANCE COMMISSION. HE GOT THAT JOB BY WRITING LEGISLATION TO PROTECT THE STATE INSURANCE INDUSTRY FROM LAWSUITS BY COMMON PEOPLE. NEOPOTISM AT IT'S BEST AND A CLASSLESS MOVE.

OH, AND NOT FIRE EVERYONE IN THE CITY BUILDING, JUST ALL MANAGER/DIRECTOR/CITY MANAGER LEVELS AND THOSE WHO WOULD SUPPORT THEM. LEAVE THE WORKING PEOPLE ALONE. THEY DESERVE A BREAK. AFTER ALL, THEY HAVE TO TOLERATE THE MANAGEMENT THEY HAVE TO WORK FOR AND I WOULD IMAGINE THAT'S ENOUGH PAIN FOR THEM TO ENDURE.

"Everyone (EVERYTHING I ASSUME) he described is what Doug Adkins will deliver"

SPECULATION ON YOUR PART FGUY. HOW IN THE HELL DO YOU KNOW THAT? THE MAN HASN'T EVEN STARTED (NOR OFFICIALLY TAKEN THE JOB AS YET)

"He wants to cut back vouchers by a 1,0000 (1000), or at least for the past year, but now just wants no more increases. Next week, he will want them gone."

A LITTLE HIGH ON THE NUMBER ISN'T IT? ACTUALLY, I HAVE NEVER LIKED VOUCHERS, SECTION 8 NOR THE GHETTO MAKING PROGRAMS THAT THE CITY OFFICIALS HAVE TAKEN UPON THEMSELVES TO CREATE. IDEALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALL SECTION 8 GONE BUT KNOW THAT WON'T HAPPEN. THIS CITY DOESN'T NEED ANY MORE POVERTY, CRIME NOR IMAGE DAMAGE AND THE "LOW INCOME-SECTION 8" IMAGE ATTACHED DOESN'T DO THIS TOWN ANY FAVORS.

"But, Mr. Vet also hats money grabbing lawyers, so as Doug Adkins is a lawyer, just like Dan Picard, Joe Mulligan, and Noah Powers, he dislikes them 9add Marcia Andrew), because they are money grabbing attorneys"

MORESO THAN JUST BEING LAWYERS, I DISLIKE THEM FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO THIS CITY. THEY ARE INEPT IN THEIR JOB DUTIES ADMINISTERING TO THIS CITY RUBBER STAMPING EVERYTHING THEY ARE TOLD TO ENDORSE. THEY ARE ALSO LIKE SHEEP, HAVING NO INDIVIDUAL ABILITY TO THINK ON THEIR OWN BUT RATHER PREFER TO CHOOSE WHAT TO DO AND SAY BY THOSE BEHIND THE SCENES. THEY IGNORE THE WISHES OF THE MAJORITY AND CATER TO THEIR LITTLE INNER CIRCLE BUDDIES. PUPPETS. THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH TO GET THEM ALL RUN OUT OF TOWN.

WHILE WE"RE ON THE SUBJECT OF NEOPOTISM AND NOAH POWERS, HOW ABOUT THE CURRENT JUDGE AND FORMER CITY COUNCIL MEMBER GETTING HIS SON THE OLD HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR'S JOB SHORTLY OUT OF COLLEGE. HE CERTAINLY HAD ALOT OF PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE IN HR TO LAUNCH RIGHT INTO A DIRECTORS SLOT DIDN'T HE? NICE LITTLE BIT OF THE OLD BEHIND THE SCENES, YOU SCRATCH MY BACK AND I'LL SCRATCH YOURS/KEEPING IT ALL IN THE FAMILY SITUATION IN THE CITY BUILDING EHH. BET THE POSITION WASN'T EVEN ADVERTISED EITHER. HOW CONVENIENT.....HOW DISGUSTING.

"Moving on, he cites ruin as a noun or verb, but no reference to 'ruiner' a word that doesn't exist"

GOOGLE IT BUD AND PLACE THE WORD RUINER IN THE BOX. IT WILL LEAD YOU TO SEVERAL SITES WHICH WILL EXPLAIN THE DEFINITIONS. SO EASY EVEN A CITY SUPPORTER CAN DO IT.

I LIKE THIS FROM FGUY.....

"Doug Adkins had Main Street paved to be a significant entrance to the restoration and pride taking place downtown, that many bash."

NO, DOUG ADKINS WAS TOLD THAT MAIN ST WILL BE PAVED BY THE POWERS THAT BE ON S. MAIN ST. ARE YOU THAT NAIVE TO THINK HE MADE THAT DECISION? HE KNOWS NOT TO ANGER THE POWER PEOPLE ON S. MAIN ST. BESIDES, MULLIGAN AND KOHLER ARE HIS BUDDIES, AREN'T THEY? PART OF "KEEPING IT ALL IN THE FAMILY" AGAIN.

"Doug Adkins were of criminal nature, and yet he is not incarcerated, no charges were defined, and he just received a promotion"

NOT SO FAST ON HIS EXONERATION. THERE IS EVIDENCE THAT HE COULD HAVE VIOLATED THE LAW IN SOME INSTANCES. IF SO, AND IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO SOME, HE COULD STILL BE CHALLENGED. AS TO THE PROMOTION.....A JOKE FGUY. ALREADY PRE-PLANNED AS TO HIS SELECTION. HE RECEIVED THE PROMOTION BY DEFAULT AS HE WAS ALREADY A MEMBER OF THE CITY BUILDING TEAM ALONG WITH LAP DOG LES RUNNING POINT AND THE OUTSIDER CANDIDATES WERE NOT SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED TO BEGIN WITH. THIS HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT HERE ON THIS FORUM.

KEEP DRINKING THE CITY-MADE KOOL_AID AND HAVING THAT SUNSHINE PUMPED .....EVERYONE NEEDS TO HAVE A FANTASY MOMENT.......AND, LET'S FACE IT, YOUR FAITH IN THE CITY LEADERSHIP IS JUST THAT BUD.