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The cost of physically moving a Fortune 1000 doesn't cost but a rounding error off  a fraction of 1% of net income. Its also a tax write-off at 100%. Armco moved, AKS moved, and there is now redundancy not only at Dearborn but Mansfield. So, there are not only no concerns on physical move expense, but benefit, as West Chester doesn't have the added space needed.

If the big picture, West Chester didn't offer any advantage for AKS. If they were to move, for a true uptick to stock, they would have done what they planned before, and that was to head to the northeast to the media market. There aren't a handful of analysts and investors that know West Chester is a suburb of Cincinnati. Taxes are of benefit to recruit talent, but TIF's and tax abatements address that issue. They have an interest in being by the east end of 75. Plenty of land there for lease or custom build for 500 employees. One of negative benefits of West Chester is the Marriott is always full occupancy, so their employees out of town, and clients, stay downtown in Cincinnati and in Dayton, so the net gain was not what was imagined.

Regarding ANWR, that is already a protected reserve and Congress will never allow the additional acres to be protected. Less than 10% of Alaska is privately owned. Take Alaska out of the equation, just polispeak but nothing will be added as a federal park or reserve in acres.

Have had lunch with Governor Steve Besher twice in last 6 months at Merrick Inn in Lexington. They have been looking for a bundled deal since November for pipeline and a large infrastructure project. Found it with bridge problem and the politicians in two border states to pull it off. Speaker of House, Head of Senate, benefit of Ohio in Ohio. Going to happen.

United Healthcare- Optum is moving by end of February, and growing faster than any UHC group. Blue Ash had it wrapped up because they want location to be 45 minutes from central spot, but east Middletown office space has emerged as a strong contender. Same with Aetna. There's also talk of a small landing strip being build east end, on land where white house has been sitting for years, west of new subdivision and Bishop Fenwick.           
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Yep-time tho throw the BS flag....
Think the folks at whatever institution you're in need to adjust your meds or at least tighten up the sleeves on your jacket so you can't reach the keyboard. They are doping you up with some kind of rainbow and unicorn crap that is preventing you from seeing the reality of this city.
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While you seem well versed in these topics, I think you're throwing a whole lot of __ against the wall and claiming something will stick. 
The Brent-Spence will involve tolls, not 100% fed dollars for that.  Are you saying there is significant fed money along with the tolls?......You still haven't stated why AK would be attracted to 75 & 122 other than land.  No hotel there either.........and why would Aetna or UHC want to be even further from Cincy proper?
 
The fact that an area throws itself into consideration for these possibilities means nothing.  Besides, much like the L.A. market vis a vis the NFL, the companies may like throwing Middletown out there as a relocation possibility just to cut the best deal for a location closer to Blue Ash, Mason, Cincy, etc.
 
I will commend you for livening up this board with some interesting mixture of facts, wishes, conjecture...
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The outcome of these events is southwestern Ohio, and Middletown will be gaining benefit from them. For decades, the US spent $10 Bb a month in Iraq, and you are doubting a deal between Obama, McConnell, Boehner, Paul, Kasich, and Besher working on a deal with the pipeline and infrastructure to actually do legislation? Amazing.

I haven't heard any developer, individual, or company, ever say anything negative regarding east end Middletown, off interstate 75. Middletown knows its tax rate has to change to bring business to east end. Tax abatements are there, and companies are moving to get them.   
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Didn't see your post Bill. As part of the DoD (Defense) funding cuts, WPAFB is gaining from other base closings. P & G is moving its national logistics site north of Dayton, and Costco built a new site of Wilmington Pike that has opened explosive growth in the Dayton proper area. Dayton proper is experiencing more growth than Cincinnati. 75 north has no room for expansion until you are in the Monroe/ Middletown area. Therefore, Middletown is now an attractive market east of 75. AKS left for taxes, not Wall Street benefit. No relocation for executives.    
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Still not buying it.

I guess if AK was actually making money I could potentially buy your rounding error theory. Tax write off means the gov't pays at most 35% and AK still pays 65%. However, the only legitimate reason to move is in order to make more money. How is moving to Middletown going to help them with this? The stock analysts don't care where your headquartered, they care whether or not the company is making money.

What redundancies at Mansfield? It's just a plant and has only been a plant for 20 years.

The Marriot isn't always full and there are two new hotels being built as we speak.

The following WSJ article could shed some light on Obama and Alaska. Apparently he's not asking congress....just doing it. Kinda been his modus operandi recently.

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Amy Harder
Jan. 25, 2015 2:58 p.m. ET
The Obama administration is moving this week to designate areas of Alaska off limits to oil and natural gas drilling in its latest effort to bolster its environmental legacy.
The Interior Department announced on Sunday that it was proposing to preserve as wilderness nearly 13 million acres of land in the 19.8 million-acre Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, including 1.5 million acres of coastal plains that is believed to have rich oil and natural gas resources.
Later this week, the department also is slated to propose a draft offshore leasing plan that is expected to include more limits on future oil and gas production in Alaska.
The efforts are drawing a strong rebuke from congressional Republicans.
Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R., Alaska) vowed to fight the administration’s moves from her positions heading both the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee and the appropriations subcommittee responsible for funding the Interior Department.
“It’s clear this administration does not care about us, and sees us as nothing but a territory,” Ms. Murkowski said in a statement Sunday after speaking by phone with Interior Secretary Sally Jewell on Friday. “But we will not be run over like this. We will fight back with every resource at our disposal.”

A polar bear keeps close to her young along the Beaufort Sea coast in Alaska’s Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. The Obama administration is proposing to designate nearly 13 million acres in the refuge as wilderness. PHOTO: REUTERS
While setting aside lands as wilderness requires congressional approval—something this administration is unlikely to get with both chambers controlled by Republicans—the proposed move puts the area into a state of de facto designation as wilderness and would prevent drilling, an Interior Department spokeswoman said.
Alaska’s oil and gas production has dropped nearly 75% since its peak in the 1980s. North Dakota surpassed Alaska two years ago as the nation’s second-largest oil producer, behind Texas.
The Interior Department is expected to block parts of the Beaufort and Chukchi seas off the coast of Alaska for oil and gas development as part of the offshore leasing plan it releases every five years, said Robert Dillon, a spokesman for Ms. Murkowski.
This proposal, to be presented this week, isn’t expected to affect current plans to drill in the region by Statoil , Shell Oil Co. and ConocoPhillips , though the long-term impacts are unclear, Mr. Dillon said.
According to the Interior Department, more than seven million acres of Arctic National Wildlife Refuge are listed as wilderness, which is the federal government’s highest designation of protection. Oil and gas drilling is prohibited in the refuge based on a law passed in 1980, and Sunday’s announcement would provide another layer of protection.
“Pristine, undisturbed, it supports caribou and polar bears, all matter of marine life, countless species of birds and fish,” President Barack Obama said in a video message Sunday. ”And for centuries it’s supported many Alaskan native communities, but it’s very fragile.”
Sunday’s announcement is the latest in a series of steps the Obama administration has taken in the last couple of months to protect the environment, address climate change and regulate the nation’s oil and natural gas industry, particularly in and around Alaska.

The Philip Smith Mountains in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska in the summer of 2010. PHOTO: ALASKAPHOTOGRAPHICS/CORBIS
In another video message posted in December, Mr. Obama said he was indefinitely blocking any oil and gas drilling in Bristol Bay, in Southwestern Alaska. That announcement was relatively noncontroversial compared with the news this week. Companies aren’t currently drilling in the 32.5-million acre region and don’t have a lot of interest in doing so.
The Interior Department also is expected to propose in the coming weeks new drilling regulations tailored to the harsh weather conditions of the Arctic.
On a broader front, the Interior Department’s five-year plan is expected to offer a window into how supportive the Obama administration will be of new offshore drilling.
The last time the administration issued such a plan, the onshore boom of shale oil and natural gas hadn’t yet fully developed. Experts and lobbyists following the proposal say the administration could open up areas along the East Coast because policy makers from those states, such as Virginia, support such a move.
Also, earlier this month, the Environmental Protection Agency announced plans to regulate for the first time methane emissions from the oil and gas sector.

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There is no drilling allowed in any federal park or reserve. The additional land Obama discusses in ANWR is already protected. To purchase the additional land, Congress would pay for it, authorize it, through legislation. Congress is controlled by GOP. Check.

Stalemate with Keystone Pipeline (GOP) and infrastructure (Obama). Unions support KP, environmentalists don't. Bridge project is compromise at cost of 2 weeks in Iraq, between KP and infrastructure (bridge, road expansion, exits, union work). Two heads of Congress in Kentucky and Ohio, last term for McConnell. Win-win. No tolls.

AKS. No one can walk from Marriott to AKS headquarters without wetting a suit with sweat or puffing after 20 minute walk. Highway access is king. There is a lease buyout with AKS which is not cost prohibitive. Middletown has to offer tax abatements, but that doesn't appear to be a deal breaker. The traffic heading south off West Chester exit is a nightmare daily, and a major source of accidents. Takes 15-20 minutes to get from exit to 275. Not worth it for AKS, UHC, others. UHC moving, AKS negotiating. Maybe lobby Mr. Adkins to get a TIF and 0% tax on east end for annexed property, because these two, and others, are leaving West Chester. 
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Originally posted by Factguy Factguy wrote:

The outcome of these events is southwestern Ohio, and Middletown will be gaining benefit from them. For decades, the US spent $10 Bb a month in Iraq, and you are doubting a deal between Obama, McConnell, Boehner, Paul, Kasich, and Besher working on a deal with the pipeline and infrastructure to actually do legislation? Amazing.

I haven't heard any developer, individual, or company, ever say anything negative regarding east end Middletown, off interstate 75. Middletown knows its tax rate has to change to bring business to east end. Tax abatements are there, and companies are moving to get them.   


Now wait. Your post here states that the interest is on the EAST side of I-75. If you read back through your posts, you referred to "a 5 to 7 mile buffer of interest" WEST of I-75. Which is it?

I distinctly remember this as I responded with a concern about the many former brownfield industrial locations and the cost of cleanup before usage west of I-75.

Factguy, I appreciate your input here although much that you offer is above my pay grade as to the underlying activities, internal behind the scenes mechanisms such as dinner conversations with politicians, back room backslapping while wheeling and dealing for projects between states, and business/political/corporate strategies as they intertwine. This is uncharted discussion for some of us here as we operate in the arena of small town USA city affairs doing verbal combat with the city supporters and crucifying city leaders for their ongoing blunders. Really small potatoes compared to the more national agenda you seem so familiar with.

The nature of this conversation you bring to the table allows you to have a degree of advantage over some of us. Right now, we are playing your chosen game in your arena using your rules and are at a disadvantage as we are not familiar with and do not operate in the levels with which you refer. Therfore, we cannot verify that you are a credidible information source.

I am interested in your take on Middletown though. Your thoughts indicate you could easily sum up the situation in this city including your assessment on the damage that has been done, what mistakes have been made to allow this city to be in the condition it is in and some of the solutions you might offer to initiate improvements......not that any leaders would listen mind you.
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The 75 corridor east end (north) was referenced in context of Aetna, UHC, and AKS. They all want an exit off the interstate as they have presently. That was the reference to east end or annexed Middletown. The west end of 5-8 miles, is the interest and opportunity for brownfield space, which the billions of dollars in infrastructure expenditures will create footprints of businesses associated with the expansion of additional traffic heading north and south on 75 and the ancillary routes (exits) which will be provided through the federal funding.

Middletown is exceptionally placed for its location associated with both the West Chester moves already in progress, and the added expansion of the bridge for 75 intersecting Kentucky and Ohio. For the past years, downtown leaders and shareholders have focused upon a master plan, road map if you will, that strategically targets both the develop in the east end and west end. Key to the strategy was the placement of the middle school to be closer to the interstate to capture those that will work on the east end and west end, that have previously been leaving to other areas. The revision of the codes and ordinances is absolutely necessary as it is well known by many, as written, businesses encounter resistance and obstacles that don't allow the city the nimbleness needed to compete with West Chester and other areas. The city recognizes the past errors made by council in allowing too much section 8 within city limits compared to a percent allocated for the region.

Now, the pieces are in place, ordinances are being fixed, major business development campaigns launched, throughout the city, downtown, west end, east end, in schools, in neighborhoods, in reputation. The plan will be made public for paving all roads. If successful in getting AK back, and UHC and Aetna in, and others, with the added dollars made available for the bridge expansion, the city is in a position as good if not better since the 1940's, to move forward. The future is bright, even brighter than the past.      
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Factguy:

"Now, the pieces are in place, ordinances are being fixed, major business development campaigns launched, throughout the city, downtown, west end, east end, in schools, in neighborhoods, in reputation. The plan will be made public for paving all roads. If successful in getting AK back, and UHC and Aetna in, and others, with the added dollars made available for the bridge expansion, the city is in a position as good if not better since the 1940's, to move forward. The future is bright, even brighter than the past"'

Don't see the "pieces in place", "ordinances being fixed" nor "major business development" that you speak of. The downtown is in limbo with little progression, the schools are as anemic as they have been since the 80's. The West End by the river needs alot of help. Really not much there to entice any activity. The East End has the potential but progress has been squandered by past and current city leaders as they have ignored the potential this area has. The roads????? Down to the gravel in places. At best, new shocks, struts and tiebars every three years. Forget wheel alignment. Reputation and image??? Gonna take a long time to remove the tarnish placed on the city the last 4 decades and will not be fixed in the short term. People wanting to locate here? Nope, the city is losing population.

The "future is bright"? You and the city leaders can say it until you pass out. Gotta show us something to back your optimism. Words and fancy slogans just don't cut it. Never did.

It might be better than the 40's if all suggested happens for some. But, for me, it won't touch the 60's when this city was really prosperous, people seemed happy. City government seemed to make sound decisions, there was work to be had that provided a decent standard of living, there was entertainment and crime was under control. The downtown was vibrant and filled, especially on Saturdays. The schools were top-notch and respected in the area. Middletown High actually had some decent competitive sports. You name the subject, it was better then than now.

Middletown has always been in the "middle of it all" as to location. Why, all of a sudden, are businesses, politicians and others you mention now noticing it? What has, all of a sudden, happened to peak interest in this city? I find that questionable and would tend to be a tad bit gun shy on my enthusiasm to buy into this theory.
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You can't possibly think City Manager Doug Adkins didn't know the odds were 75% or better of bringing those 1,000 jobs to Middletown and the federal funding for the Brent Spence Bridge to announce his goal for making Middletown an All America City by 2020?  
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Factguy: You better check with "Trotwood". He claims AK will be shut down to build the new Cin/Day International Airport, which will be the driver for the "brighter future" downtown!!!

(His fantasy has about the same chance as yours.)
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Originally posted by Factguy Factguy wrote:

...Two heads of Congress in Kentucky and Ohio, last term for McConnell. ...
Have you informed Senate Majority Leader McConnell that this is his last term yet???
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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He did me. He has no intent of being Senator Byrd (deceased) of WV and holding office post 80. 
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Originally posted by Factguy Factguy wrote:

... For decades, the US spent $10 Bb a month in Iraq, and you are doubting a deal between Obama, McConnell, Boehner, Paul, Kasich, and Besher working on a deal with the pipeline and infrastructure to actually do legislation? ...
First, this is a non sequitur. Second, do you ever follow the REAL WORLD news?

"Following the humbling defeat suffered by Democrats across the board on Tuesday, Obama decided to seek authorization from Congress to escalate the war against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria."
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Let me help you reach the conclusion you reference as disjointed. Funding the bridge at the federal level will not be an issue to secure GOP votes. After the votes are made and funding approved, Dems get infrastructure project, GOP gets KP, and Kasich gets a VP slot he desires. Southwestern Ohio gets bridge expansion, local individuals avoid tolls, money for exits off 75, and 71, and Middletown sees growth.  City Manager Adkins and Mayor Mulligan are aware of the events planned.   
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Originally posted by Factguy Factguy wrote:

Let me help you reach the conclusion you reference as disjointed. Funding the bridge at the federal level will not be an issue to secure GOP votes. After the votes are made and funding approved, Dems get infrastructure project, GOP gets KP, and Kasich gets a VP slot he desires. Southwestern Ohio gets bridge expansion, local individuals avoid tolls, money for exits off 75, and 71, and Middletown sees growth.  City Manager Adkins and Mayor Mulligan are aware of the events planned.   
And what does any of this have to do with the war on terror...or the price of eggs in China???
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Factguy, I have to admit your reasoning makes sense on what you have indicated, including what is occurring at at least Optum (UHC), as I know that entity very well, and enjoyed recently the CEO of the Mayo Clinic on air with Charlie Rose discussing the 20 year joint data analytics models they built for predictive healthcare forecasting. I also have spoken to a few folks at AKS including Reich who made a passing comment a move back to Middletown could happen.

What I have difficulty in comprehending or believing, is the city would proactively be on top of any of these events.

Lastly, on Optum, at least in December, I was informed the plans were to move to Blue Ash in property near Ethicon. They also have the 0% tax rate which they had in West Chester, and for Middletown to make a play so suddenly, well...if so, Doug Adkins has done an excellent job of proactively acting.    
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Factguy = Doug Adkins?
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acclaro, the timing of the 2020 goal is suspicious, no?
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Neil, 2020 goal suspicious? Apparently so. Hope is a tease, designed to prevent us from accepting reality.

FG = Mitt Romney.
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all sounds good, though another distraction(positive for a change!) to change the topic from the smaller, localized issues that have disappointed everyone by their being ignored/de-emphasized for so long.

Water manes breaking everywhere on streets that are crumbling/have crumbled--had to detour from Magnolia(a mess) to Glenmore(bigger mess) due to a break in order to get to the coffee shop yesterday

Millions disproportionally spent trying to revive the former downtown area

plunging property values due to many reasons discussed

you get it--Vet can take over from here.....

Still--thanx for the info and livening it up without degrading anyone, factguy!
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Water mains are breaking all over Ohio, power out on Nantucket, snow in northeast. Middletown's problems no different than any in the state or nation. The great depression hit Middletown just as hard as it hit the country. Companies leave communities, others fill the void. We now have lots of coffee shops for variety. It could be worse. - Marty   
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Originally posted by Factguy Factguy wrote:

Water mains are breaking all over Ohio, power out on Nantucket, snow in northeast. Middletown's problems no different than any in the state or nation. The great depression hit Middletown just as hard as it hit the country. Companies leave communities, others fill the void. We now have lots of coffee shops for variety. It could be worse. - Marty   


Ahh c'mon Factguy, Middletown is certainly different from any in the state or nation. The RECESSION of 2008 hit Middletown just as hard as it hit the country, but the country as a whole has been recovering at a much faster pace.

The fact is, Middletown's problems were here way before this last recession... since the 70's and haven't been dealt with head on by any city leader era since then, including the current one. Many companies have left town with only a few to replace them, some, paying only a fraction of the wages of those who left. The "fill the void" companies you refer to have not graced the city's entrance in enough numbers to make a difference.

Surrounding communities seem to solve their issues in a reasonable amount of time through leadership problem identification, focus , problem solving techniques, logic, common sense and actual action toward remedies. Middletown leadership, on the other hand, appear to have no ability whatsoever to follow the problem solving paths explained here. They constantly waste money with nothing accomplished. They don't have a clue what this city really needs and fail miserably in the prioritization of the basics needed by this city. They do, however, waste money on hand selected projects benefiting their pals with total disregard for the wants and needs of the general public.

Middletown doesn't progress because we have inept, mis-focused private agenda people at the helm who do not care whether the city keeps pace with the norms of operation in other cities or not.

Observe the news from Lebanon, Mason, West Chester, Springboro, Franklin and other communities. None of these towns seem to have the degree of ineptitude in getting things done that Middletown always encounters. Hell, even Hamilton is getting their act together as to development, town direction and are focusing on city identification and what and where they want to be in the future......and they are accomplishing their goals as they go along. Not Middletown. We seem to be constantly stuck in neutral as far as accomplishments and you just know, that sooner or later, there will be an obstacle that will stop a project dead in it's tracks along the way. Middletown never fails to fail and everything city leaders touch turns into a cluster.
I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over.
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