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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Posted: Oct 27 2015 at 10:06am |
Factguy By your above
statement, do you think these landlords have filed petty lawsuits against City
Hall that have no merit? Just because you
and City Hall do not want any Section 8 in If you really want
the Section 8 areas of the city to improve then maybe you need to ask Mr. Adkins
and Council to use the HUD CDBG money for “the areas of greatest need” as it
was intended and not city pet projects.
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Factguy
MUSA Resident Joined: Dec 07 2009 Status: Offline Points: 217 |
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Mr. Self, in most communities, you would have done your job, been appreciated, and gotten good reviews. Middletown is a different animal. Don't let it erode your being, it just ain't worth it. Look at the federal Hardest Hit Funds Program, used to help states and homeowners. The state took the bulk of those funds and gave them to the counties to be used for political benefit. That program failed, just like general community revitalization failed. If there is any benefit, they took out a few houses which lowered supply, but supply still exceeds demand by a wide margin in Middletown. Put Middletown in the past, as it just isn't worth worrying about the city. Citizens and businesses deserve what they are getting by letting the activities erode to a point climbing out of a hole is just as hard as climbing Mt Everest w/o an O2 tank. A doc can't worry about the patient that won't quit smoking, refusing to take medicine, or unwilling to exercise to knock off 100 pounds to control the blood pressure. Don't worry about a city that doesn't care if it hit the skids years ago. just as a parent can't control the vices an adult child may have including serious addictions. I disagree with you only in my belief, Adkins has tried to turn the section 8 situation around by too many vouchers flooding Middletown by Marty Kohler.
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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OK Mr.Self--u moved here for a job with city admin, and used your expertise to assist operating housing/revitalization.
Yer thinking did not sit well with the past maneuvering, so the powers cut you out. Yer bad feelings and resentment are understandable. You have posted here many valuable/interesting activities that certainly raise ?s about how our admin has operated. For those efforts we can be thankful. Hardly anyone here defends what has gone on in the past, and most find it to be very disturbing. However, what has happened is old news, and we can only attempt to right the ship from here on out. Also, there are many other serious situations facing the community. A lot of good people want to change things as quickly and effectively as possible. We can learn from the past, and forge ahead, hoping to make it a little better each day. No one on musa hired u--no one on musa fired u u r free to think and post whatever u want about it, and how youview pretty much anyone. And everyone is free to do the same. I respect yer right, my right and everyone else's right to do same. Some time eventually u have to move ahead to the next phase. Re-hashing the ugliness helps no one(maybe it helps you). This will all play out, and not very well for the city. If ripping on me(or anyone else) eases your anger, then go for it. nbd my way--my time here is winding up, and it has been one great ride. I guess that u have to have been here for half a century or so to understand the difference in our current community climate and the sadness/unhappiness that is felt by many. Most honestly do understand yer frustration
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Perplexed
MUSA Citizen Joined: Apr 22 2009 Status: Offline Points: 315 |
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Factguy, aside from demolishing hundreds of homes and quite a few commercial plus industrial buildings, please tell us just what has been accomplished in the realm of Community Revitalization in the past six years?
For starters, are residential property values in Ward 2 and parts of Ward 1 now stabilized from their past downward trend? Has property rehabilitation and reinvestment occurred there? What do building permits show to document this? Regarding so-called "Downtown" revitalization, what is the net result of the City's involvement in redevelopment? Many deals have been struck, public funds expended, etc. What are the results? Relative to the Manchester Inn and Sonshine Building, I recently learned from a frequent contributor to this blog that: 1) the proposed redeveloper (Mr. Grau), never proposed to be much more than a project manager; 2) project funding was purportedly to come from unidentified local sources; and, 3) no concrete construction plans, specifications and costs were provided. How can senior City staff claim to have gone through an exhaustive RFP/Q process without the most basic of information provided by Mr. Grau? Now, he is the owner of these two structures and has no plans to proceed. What about all of the other "Downtown" projects? There's been much hullabaloo about proposed redevelopment, benefits to the City, etc., etc. What is the result of the litany of "deals" that the City has made with C-State, etc.? Say what you want about me, I met many nice Middletonians during my four years there. I continue to feel badly for them and others who endure the lack of fully transparent government and multiple missed opportunities to address crucial problems. Oh, as Neil Barille forgot to mention, Marty Kohler should have been included in the list of personalities involved in much of what I discovered during my time in Middletown. |
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Factguy
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Regarding the federal case in Cincinnati, its two landlords charged with crimes, that sued over their personal rights. Its easy to pull up for those accessing PACER. If anyone desires, will post procedural history.
HUD did not do anything to Middletown, than move the program. They also are not helping nor acting as witnesses to the two landlords filing suit. No one charged, insurance company paid all legal fees. HUD knows one of the landlords involved in the litigation has a tenant lying to Butler Metro about being a relative to an individual on section 8 vouchers when the party is not, and doesn't care, even though its a violation of federal law and a lifetime ban of the voucher. For HUD, the more the merrier on section 8, as with illegal aliens, its a way to get more democratic votes. Nelson Self, move on. The city eats people up and keeps many who nod their head and do absolutely nothing productive are protected. They don't care about you, you should not care about them. Reliving the past does no one good, and to alter the city perception of itself won't change the view of those who think Middletown is one of the best cities in the country to reside. Even a mom's house in Missouri and thinking how much crime is destroying St. Louis is better than lamenting on what contributions were made to the city as an employee, when only you really care. Most know Alice in Wonderland resides at Donham. Insults and talking about fallacies in ward 1 and 2 doesn't help your legacy. If Anita Scott Jones doesn't fight for them or notice a problem, just a suggestion, neither should you. She gets paid to do it, even meagerly as a council person, you don't.
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Perplexed
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Mr. Barille or Whomever -
My posts focus upon waste, indifference, incompetence, etc., more than anything else. The past history of HUD programs administration involves much, much more than the City's lack of a legitimate loan servicing program. Think of the lost opportunities to renew neighborhoods in Wards one and two. You fail to mention Homeownership Promotion activities that were significantly expanded during my stay. In one year almost 80 first-time homeboyers were assisted in purchasing homes. Almost 300 families were assisted via pre-purchase Home Buyer Education classes. Most of the 80 first-time buyers undertook minor to major rehab of their newly purchased homes. There's much, much more. When HUD funds are wasted by the City it further expedites the decline of Middletown. Take off your blinders Mr. Barille. |
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SEEKING THE TRUTH
MUSA Resident Joined: Oct 17 2012 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 62 |
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That questions is not a fair question because the program is not and was not the city of Middletown's to reduce. Steve if elected would not have any power over the program. Thats a question for the city manager he has his own blog ask him and FYI I would think that this would be a topic that he would steer clear of.
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Neil Barille
MUSA Resident Joined: Jul 07 2010 Status: Offline Points: 238 |
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Nelson,
The extent of any post you have ever submitted on this forum includes the following words in some order: HUD, Judy, Dougmeister, Fuchs, Ginger, owner-occupied, rehab That's about it.
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Perplexed
MUSA Citizen Joined: Apr 22 2009 Status: Offline Points: 315 |
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Mr. Dillman -
Once again you indulge in baseless character assassination without the benefit of any knowledge. Here are a few accomplishments of mine for you to try hard to grasp. 1) Owner-Occupied Housing Rehab Program Revolving Loan Fund -- I discovered a total lack of loan servicing for this sizable fund. I was told by my staff that the Finance Director and Planning Director had written off roughly $300,000 in repayable loans around 2003. Furthermore, I was told by staff that another $300,000 plus in similar loans were written off by him and a member of the Finance Department in 2006. Upon my arrival in 1/2007, I discovered that most of the remainder of the portfolio was significantly in arrears. I am the one who inherited a mess and instituted measures to straighten things out. 2) Owner-Occupied Housing Rehabilitation Program Guidelines and Procedures -- the two of my staff members most familiar with this program prior to my arrival, provided what little was left of so-called "RETIRED HOUSING REHAB APPLICATION FILES." After much searching, I discovered that staff had been using guidelines and procedures that included such things as refinancing credit card or other consumer loan debt into their rehab loan packages. One example was a City employee who owned a home on 8th Street. In her case, some $28,000+ in personal debt was refinanced along with the cost of housing rehab. This account was already significantly in arrears. The house was declared unsuitable for occupancy and demolished. How's this for proper use of taxpayer's funds? There are many other irregularities and deficiencies that I tried to resolved. My actions were perceived by Judy Gilleland as detrimental to my supervisor. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Stevie! |
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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Lol--I wish that I had that kind of power, and I know a hell of a lot more about what has gone on around here than what I post on muss
U did little for this town, even though you were paid by the citizens U couldn't stand up to anyone or anything There is much more going on in this community outside of city govt |
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Perplexed
MUSA Citizen Joined: Apr 22 2009 Status: Offline Points: 315 |
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I did not run away Mr. Dillman. I was forced out by Ginger Smith at the direction of Judy Gilleland. It's because of sanctimonious and egotistical people like you that the average Middletonian has very little, if any, say in how the city is administered. Your ego is quite enormous. You don't know nearly as much as you pontificate on this blog.
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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Typical self-centered vindictive nonsense from you.
I have said nothing positive at any time about the HUD mess, and have criticized every aspect of it since LONG before you spent your 5 minutes here. I have ?ed who was involved and how the funding was used. But u r too blinded by your hatred of your own situation U ran away like a coward and have hidden behind numerous screen names ever since Doug A didn't create this mess He tried to fix it and cover it Didn't work--did it? I am capable of moving on and trying to help with a few situations around here Life goes on guy, maybe not so well for u, but it will for the rest of us You ran away--let it go Worry about yourself |
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Perplexed
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Spider, it wasn't too long ago that you were praising the efforts of the Dougmeister for straightening out the city's HUD-funded programs. By doing so, you carelessly slammed a former city employee who did much to unveil many of the dirty little secrets about waste, inefficiency, etc. This person may have been forced out by senior city staff, but, they are still concerned about the questionable condition of the city and the welfare of the citizenry.
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Spider - "Personally I have more of an interest in where/how the funding was used."
Spider, how the HUD funds were used over the years should be available from the city....however....HUD has stated that when the MPHA Section 8 program was transfered to Butler and Warren county many of these records were missing and that is also what got Mr. Adkins and Miss Judy in trouble with HUD. |
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spiderjohn
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could one of u actually produce or lead us to any court records or schedule concerning any of this? It should surface eventually if anything is going to happen.
can't change the past, but hopefully we can have a "brighter future"(lol) Section 8 is everywhere(definitely here!). It has played a part in our situation. Personally I have more of an interest in where/how the funding was used. |
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Vivian Moon
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Seeking the Truth
The citizens of Middletown need to know what really happened over the past five years and the price tag...LET THE GAMES BEGIN. |
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SEEKING THE TRUTH
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That is not true either the case has been moved to Federal Court and is getting ready to start let the finger pointing begin. As for the old city council that was involved in the fruad and misrepresentation of the MPHA program. The people of this city need to look at the past 5 years and think what they want for the next five. I say replace them all.
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over the hill
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 19 2012 Location: middletown Status: Offline Points: 952 |
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Smartman. I agree that the program is missed used by many, but again I say for you to lump ALL landlords together as bad landlords not taking care their properties is being unfair and shortsighted. JMO
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Smartman
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jun 14 2008 Status: Offline Points: 299 |
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Over the Hill, I'm not surprised at all. I know many of them. In my business I get to know them. As people I like them. Not a fan of section 8. Don't misunderstand, I feel that there is a need for it. But the system is abused. We have 2nd and 3rd generations in section 8. Its a way of life. Most of the landlords put very little into those properties. They always look for the cheapest way, and sometime put the tenant's lives in danger by the way they do repairs. I've seen this personally. I am a manager at a big box home improvement store. I just want someone who has no interest in the program on council.
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over the hill
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I guess smart man thinks all landlords are the scum of the earth. I guess he'd be surprised to know some of our city's most influential people are also landlords.
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Vivian Moon
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Smartman
No need to apologize to me. We all need to cast are votes for the people we believe will do the best job for the community. I'm planning on going to meet the new canidates for city council on Oct. 24 to learn more about their future plans for Middletown before I cast my vote.. |
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Vivian Moon
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Miss Vivian -
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Smartman
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I know Vivian. Still I have a hard time respecting anyone that milk's the system and tries to use their position for favors. I will never support r Bohannon. I do not support the section 8 program or the landlords. And more importantly someone that tries to use their position for favors. His disrespect to the AD of Middletown HS Friday night was enough for me.
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Vivian Moon
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Smartman
City Council members no longer have any authority over any HUD Section 8 programs in Middletown. |
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Perplexed
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Miss Vivian -
It wasn't too long ago that The Dougmeister publicly proclaimed, "give me the power and I'll get things done." We can also remember him cavalierly praising the capabilities of Nelson & Asociates plus the Inspection Group being just what was required to straighten out the HUD Housing Choice Voucher (Section 8) program. And what about the $250,000 Section 8 software program that was purchased by the city at The Dougmeister's urging? Both he and the City Council learned a painful lesson in that The Dougmeister was not more powerful and influential than HUD. His policies and plans were a costly failure. |
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