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Hi Spider,

Its good to see that there is still an "honest" voice posting on this board. You have a much stronger stomach for the BS than I do, thus I just check in periodically.

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I have nothing new or more to say about Section 8.
HUD will never set precedence and reduce the number of vouchers in
Middletown

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Is that a promise Vivian?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote spiderjohn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan 30 2013 at 9:10am
thanx goose
glad 2 c that u r still out there
don't b so shy!
 
the bs comes from everywhere, and is pretty easy w wade thru without getting 2 messy
 
I very much appreciate Ms.Moon's effort and informative postings
glad that she is not intimidated by the dark side of our city
 
we need more like her to  bring openness/honesty/transparency
we don't have 2 always agree
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GG,

It is recollection that the letter from HUD to the City gave the city 3 options: 1 Show a reduced need for S8 vouchers, which the city most likely can not do. 2 transfer the program to BMHA. While this may have an immediate affect on the number of vouchers in Middletown, over time you may see some reduction in vouchers. 3 bring the number of vouchers in use in Middletown to 95% or face legal action.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote over the hill Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan 31 2013 at 10:41am
Well, Pacman, You didn't have any trouble understanding the violations or the options. Why is city council so blind that they want to follow Doug Atkins down the Primerose Path to distruction. Has Ms Gilleland forgotten her name is at the top of the page as EXCECUTIVE ADMINISTRATOR of the program. She too may have egg on her face.   
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Wonder what Mr Faulkner was talking about with the water bills and section 8 voucher holders. Was there fraud by the city demanding voucher holders to pay bills that have nothing to do with the program or there unit seems that judy and doug got uneasy real quick when he brought it up anybody know anything about this?
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Journal story....

MIDDLETOWN HOUSING

Middletown to HUD: We’re going to reduce Section 8 vouchers

MIDDLETOWN —
Middletown officials aren’t backing away from their five-year plan to reduce the city’s complement of Section 8 housing vouchers by more than 1,000 despite objections from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development.

Doug Adkins, the city’s director of community revitalization, said HUD officials “have their own issues to deal with beyond us.” Adkins was referring to HUD Secretary Shaun Donovan’s recent testimony before Congress about the impact of the across-the-board federal spending cuts — known as the sequester — on Section 8 vouchers.

Donovan testified the March 1 sequestration “would have devastating effects on homelessness and on other vulnerable groups that HUD works with on housing needs across the country.”

“They would anticipate 125,000 vouchers would be losing funding almost immediately,” Adkins said. “We may be off their radar for a little while.”

THAT'S IT? THAT'S THE REASONING HERE? WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO AGGRAVATE HUD BECAUSE THEY ARE DISTRACTED AND WE MAY BE OFF THE RADAR FOR AWHILE? WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE ARE BACK ON THEIR RADAR DOUG?

I LIKE THIS PART.....

City officials contend Middletown has more Section 8 housing per capita than any other city in Ohio. Section 8 vouchers account for 49.8 percent of all subsidized housing and 14.3 percent of all available housing in Middletown, officials say. Too much Section 8 can impact the overall image of the city and hinder progress and economic development, they say

YA GOTTA BE KIDDIN' ME!!!! DUH. HOW LONG HAVE WE ALL BEEN SAYING THAT THE SUPERSATURATION OF THE CITY OF SECTION 8 WOULD AFFECT THE IMAGE, INCREASE CRIME, ETC???? NOW......NOW, THESE CLOWNS IN THE CITY BUILDING COME OUT WITH "TOO MUCH SECTION 8 CAN IMPACT THE OVERALL IMAGE OF THE CITY"??? HELL, THEY ARE THE ONES WHO INVITED ALL THIS CRAP IN HERE FOR THE ALMIGHTY FED DOLLARS THAT IT WOULD BRING. GOOD LORD! THESE PEOPLE MUST GO.

Section 8 landlords and other supporters of the program argue drastically cutting vouchers will have more of a negative impact on the city than officials think

Because of all the jobs lost in recent years, Tracy said the need has increased. And until the need is reduced, the vouchers shouldn’t be reduced

NO TRACY. THE REASON YOU AND THE OTHER LANDLORDS DON'T WANT IT STOPPED IS BECAUSE IT'S A MONEY-MAKER FOR YOU AND YOU, LIKE ANYONE ELSE, DON'T WANT TO SEE THE MONEY TAP TURNED OFF. MERCY.
I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over.
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Middletown officials aren’t backing away from their five-year plan to reduce the city’s complement of Section 8 housing vouchers by more than 1,000 despite objections from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development.
But, but, but I thought Mr. Adkins assured us that City Hall was in full compliance with HUD rules.

”Adkins said. “We may be off their radar for a little while.”
Mr. Adkins, not only are you on their radar, you are now in the very cross hairs of HUD.

City officials contend Middletown has more Section 8 housing per capita than any other city in Ohio. Section 8 vouchers account for 49.8 percent of all subsidized housing and 14.3 percent of all available housing in Middletown, officials say. Too much Section 8 can impact the overall image of the city and hinder progress and economic development, they say.
Hmmm…I must not understand what City Hall really wants. They wanted all this HUD money to fill the city coffers and the kiddies to fill the schools…but they don’t want to spend the money in the areas of greatest needs…but they want Section 8 out of the city…but they want to keep all the money.

Section 8 landlords and other supporters of the program argue drastically cutting vouchers will have more of a negative impact on the city than officials think.
This is the same statement that HUD made to City Hall several years ago. This is why HUD would not reduce the number of vouchers.

Because of all the jobs lost in recent years,
Tracy said the need has increased. And until the need is reduced, the vouchers shouldn’t be reduced.
Once again this is the same statement that HUD made several years ago.
If City Hall wants Section 8 vouchers reduced then they need to go to work and bring some businesses into the area.

But once again our City Leaders are much to busy with “Their Vision” and “Their Downtown” and “Their Fake Gas Lights” (also know as future Champaign Funds)

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If people on the East End of town could sell their houses tomorrow for what they are worth we would need to hire an extra policeman just to direct traffic for all the 5,000 moving vans trying to get onto I-75. 

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I know in the Ayrshire neighborhood, there has been a lot of people buying foreclosures recently, and flipping them. 801 Dover Ave, 5120 Phillip Ct., & 500 Boylston St are currently being flipped. Let's hope these investments in flipping houses results in a better Middletown.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pacman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb 21 2013 at 9:11pm
Mr Adkins,

Move along with your plan. It seems to be the only hope of Middletown ever having a chance of reducing it's S8 vouchers.

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This whole S8 thing is like shuffling the deck chairs.  The real question is - how can demand for houses, either through ownership or non-S8 renters, be increased? And how can more employment be created?
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Bill,

This city will never create 1662 jobs in a reasonable amount of time to have any effect on S8.

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Pacman, You don't have to create 1662 jobs to have an impact on the health of the city. There are elderly and disabled people holding those vouchers,too.If our "community revitilation" director was actually trying to "revitilize" our city instead of concentrating all his attention on fighting sec 8, maybe he could think out side of the box and acually do some good for our city with fresh ideas for bringing JOBS to our city same for Ms G and all of city council! IMO
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pacman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb 28 2013 at 7:37pm
You are right OTH, we actually need more than 1662 jobs to bring this city out of it's decline.  The problem is where and how will we find these jobs in this city?
I am referring to jobs that pay more that $15 per hour not the minimun wage jobs.

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I can't think of ANY city lately,that has created 1662 jobs,and certainly not $15 an hour ones,but 200 would be a mircle in this city.I'd be thankful for ANY we could get to come to this town with a desent pay.
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