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    Posted: Oct 20 2008 at 2:33pm
Anything else the Dems and Liberals want to Socialize in this country, should we all bow and call him Czar Obama.  These kind of measures are dispicable in a supposed free country.Censored
 
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SHOULD Barack Obama win the presidency and Democrats take full control of Congress, next year will see a real legislative attempt to bring back the Fairness Doctrine - and to diminish conservatives' influence on broadcast radio, the one medium they dominate.

Yes, the Obama campaign said some months back that the candidate doesn't seek to re-impose this regulation, which, until Ronald Reagan's FCC phased it out in the 1980s, required TV and radio broadcasters to give balanced airtime to opposing viewpoints or face steep fines or even loss of license. But most Democrats - including party elders Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry and Al Gore - strongly support the idea of mandating "fairness."

Would a President Obama veto a new Fairness Doctrine if Congress enacted one? It's doubtful.

The Fairness Doctrine was an astonishingly bad idea. It's a too-tempting power for government to abuse. When the doctrine was in effect, both Democratic and Republican administrations regularly used it to harass critics on radio and TV.

Second, a new Fairness Doctrine would drive political talk radio off the dial. If a station ran a big-audience conservative program like, say, Laura Ingraham's, it would also have to run a left-leaning alternative. But liberals don't do well on talk radio, as the failure of Air America and indeed all other liberal efforts in the medium to date show. Stations would likely trim back conservative shows so as to avoid airing unsuccessful liberal ones.

Then there's all the lawyers you'd have to hire to respond to the regulators measuring how much time you devoted to this topic or that. Too much risk and hassle, many radio executives would conclude. Why not switch formats to something less charged - like entertainment or sports coverage?

For those who dismiss this threat to freedom of the airwaves as unlikely, consider how the politics of "fairness" might play out with the public. A Rasmussen poll last summer found that fully 47 percent of respondents backed the idea of requiring radio and television stations to offer "equal amounts of conservative and liberal political commentary," with 39 percent opposed.

Liberals, Rasmussen found, support a Fairness Doctrine by 54 percent to 26 percent, while Republicans and unaffiliated voters were more evenly divided. The language of "fairness" is seductive.

Even with control of Washington and public support, Dems would have a big fight in passing a Fairness Doctrine. Rush Limbaugh & Co. wouldn't sit by idly and let themselves be regulated into silence, making the outcome of any battle uncertain. But Obama and the Democrats also plan other, more subtle regulations that would achieve much the same outcome.

He and most Democrats want to expand broadcasters' public-interest duties. One such measure would be to impose greater "local accountability" on them - requiring stations to carry more local programming whether the public wants it or not. The reform would entail setting up community boards to make their demands known when station licenses come up for renewal. The measure is clearly aimed at national syndicators like Clear Channel that offer conservative shows. It's a Fairness Doctrine by subterfuge.

Obama also wants to relicense stations every two years (not eight, as is the case now), so these monitors would be a constant worry for stations. Finally, the Democrats also want more minority-owned stations and plan to intervene in the radio marketplace to ensure that outcome.

It's worth noting, as Jesse Walker does in the latest Reason magazine, that Trinity Church, the controversial church Obama attended for many years, is heavily involved in the media-reform movement, having sought to restore the Fairness Doctrine, prevent media consolidation and deny licenses to stations that refuse to carry enough children's programming.

Regrettably, media freedom hasn't been made an issue by the McCain campaign, perhaps because the maverick senator is himself no fan of unbridled political speech, as his long support of aggressive campaign-finance regulation underscores. But the threat to free speech is real - and profoundly disturbing.

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On the other hand, Pacman, do you know the odds of being a Democrat and calling in on 700 WLW and to the Bill Cunningham show and receiving a fair amount of time and consideration to make your point? I listen to Cunningham, and Mike McConnell on WLW, as well as other Republican Conservative shows. I also watch Fox news at times just to see what the "other side" is thinking and up to. In war, it's good to know what the enemy is thinking. Whether radio or television, if you call to offer an opposing viewpoint, you are rendered basically censored by the show's host. They all are arrogant, know-it-all egotists who insist their opinion is correct. Based on this, I don't bother calling in. It is a no-win situation to discuss issues with them. This, however, does not mean that I agree with a "Fairness Doctrine" of requiring a Dem program to every Repub program. It would be interesting to incorporate a Dem side to the discussion to the current Repub programs with respect given to both sides. That would be new and refreshing and almost unbias.
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Hey Vet I can't help it that the DEMs can't put together a decent Radio show.  And I guess you would call MSNBC fair and balanced to the right......hahahahaha that is a good one.  No one should be silenced simply because the other side is incapable of mounting a decent opposing view, that is the Dems problem and they should work on that instead of resorting to censorship or demanding that a station give them equal time sorry that is just plain wrong.
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Pacman- No, I wouldn't call MSNBC fair and balanced to the right. I think they are skewed to the left. Same with CNN only further to the left. Fox is skewed to the right. From what I've seen, there are no news shows that are unbias. So, I listen to all of them and form my own opinion with the truth somewhere between all three of them. Your comment about the Dems not being able to mount a decent opposing view indicates that you are prone to tunnel vision on your views. I bet you watch Fox News and Fox News only, which limits your ability to form an unbiased opinion concerning your politics. I already told you that I disagree with enforcing the Fairness Doctrine which means I agree with you on the subject of requiring equal time. Both parties have many flaws and are out of touch with the people in many areas. To state that one party is INCAPABLE of offering a decent opposing view will continue the polarity that we currently have in society. Repubs AND Dems alike refuse to budge on their stance causing the friction between people in this country to the point where it is out and out hatred for one another. It's a shame- don't want to do it, but I'm ready to play the hate game if necessary.
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Sorry to disappoint you Vet but yes I tend to watch Fox News most of the time but I also watch MSNBC and CNN.  Yes I am Conservative and lean to the Right, but there are also many times when I totally disagree with the Right.  The problem with the Left is that so many as so far left it borders on the ridicules, such as what they call the Fairness Doctrine, ACORN, Giving tax rebates/cuts to people who don't even pay any taxes, Amnesty, allowing Illegals to vote, it goes on and on and on.  Persoanlly I see no sense in playing the hate game as it gets you what......nothing.  You want to hate the Right why?  Because they want to have an election free of fraud and want only legally registered voters to vote.  Because they don't want to hand out Tax rebates to people who don't pay taxes.  Because they don't agree with Amnesty for Illegals.  Because they are not RAH RAH Unions.  Because their health care plan differs from the Lefts.  Because they What?   I don't exactly Call reid and Pelosi strong leadership in the Democratic party and that is much of the Lefts problem.   I would much rather play the commonsense game which many Politicians severly lack.  Commonsense and working for the good of the Country as a whole....Holy Crap what a concept.  As long as Dems want to hate hey we will stay where we are for now.
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Pacman- I don't "hate" the Right.You say that the Left is so far left it borders on the ridiculous. How about your right wing religious fanatics? Aren't they just a little too much for even the Right wing? I agree with the Repubs on owning guns, capital punishment, cracking down on illegals, anti- out of control unions, no freebies to people who can work, etc. etc. Reid and Pelosi are worthless and an embarrassment to the Dem party. Kind of like your Dan Quayle, the Senator who solicited in the Minnesoto airport bathroom(can't remember his name), and others. Your party has had their fair share of worthless members also. I keep saying it is not all one sided but your posts indicate that it is. Let's try this- is there any Repub members that are as worthless as the Dems that you condemn? Your last statement says it all- " As long as DEMS want to hate hey we will stay where we are for now". That's EXACTLY what I'm talking about. You have indicated that only DEMS are capable of hating. In your thinking, Repubs are incapable of throwing out any hate, by your statement. That sir, is ridiculous and, with all due respect, narrow-minded.
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If the US Gov. was an employee, and any of us the employer, would you give that employee added responsibility based on their past performance?

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There they go again, stepping on my constitutional right of free speech. I predict that if Pelosi is successful in her endeavor to quiet talk radio there will be consequences that would surprise the entire political spectrum.
 
Perhaps radios should be against the law since they are so biased. lol
 
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arwendt I would have fired them by now.
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Vet how about:
 
Ted Stevens----Bridge to Nowhere man
John McCain----Amnesty for everyone man, I have never cared much for McCain. 
Susan Collins---Am I a liberal or a Conservative
Olympia Snowe-Am I a liberal or a Conservative Twin
Chuck Hagel---Should have been a Liberal.
 
Hey Vet is there a Conservative web site to rival the Daily Kos.
 
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And you wonder why we Conservatives sit here and shake our heads in amusement:
 

Protester Attempts to Handcuff Karl Rove for 'Treason'

Wednesday, October 22, 2008

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SAN FRANCISCO — 
An anti-war protester confronted former Bush administration aide Karl Rove while he spoke at a San Francisco mortgage bankers' meeting.

A statement by the group Code Pink identified the woman as 58-year-old Janine Boneparth, who tried to handcuff Rove in what she called a citizen's arrest for "treason."

Rove, who was speaking Tuesday at the Mortgage Bankers Association's annual convention, elbowed Boneparth away as she was escorted off the stage.

In total, five Code Pink members were removed from the hall during Rove's appearance. The organization says none of the five women were charged.

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New instructions on the way. Got some bad advice from a programmer yesterday. Imagine that, a software engineer just making stuff up as he goes. Humf.

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So I got the Albert Einstein version yesterday....hahahahahahahaha.Big%20smile
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