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I've heard that at least four of the five city council members are required to vote in the affirmative if the rezoning request is to pass?  I'm also told that one city council member is steadfast in their opposition to this measure.  What do you or your sources say about this SWOhio75 or SpiderJohn?
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lol--I have no sources whatsoever on Council or in Admin
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You're way too modest, Steve.
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I have no inside understanding of hour Council or Adkins feels on the subject
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lol nelson--I might rate slightly above Vet, mom and you, but not sure
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The Sunday, 10/15/17, Journal News has a new full page ad opposing the zoning change for Kettering Medical. It contains a list of supporters who are mainly doctors and others who are directly dependent on Atrium for a lively hood. In total they are a very small elite group making a desperate attempt to keep Kettering from providing the rest of Middletown’s citizens with an affordable, full service hospital.

We need people to speak up in support of the Kettering Medical Facility rezoning during the Public Hearing at the Council Meeting on Tuesday 10/17/17. This is very important to Middletown if you want a hospital that will accept your insurance and serve your healthcare needs!!!

The “endorsement ad” makes some statements which neglect to tell the “whole truth” on several points and even seems to twist the facts to suit their purpose.

First they claim that the new hospital “stood with Middletown and stayed local.” The truth is … Atrium originally wanted to build out of town, and would have, except Middletown gave Atrium the land east of I75 and sold $195 million in bonds to build the hospital here. After all this generosity, Atrium refused to retain the name, Middletown Hospital, and required that the old hospital be demolished as part of the “deal.” The city of Middletown provided all the infrastructure (water, sewer, storm water sewer and roadway) all free of charge as a bribe to keep the new hospital in Middletown. Kettering Medical is asking for NO FAVORS, NO MONEY and NO HELP from Middletown. Instead they want to CONTRIBUTE TO Middletown … jobs and a full service hospital recognized by major insurance companies.

Next, they claim that when Atrium was built, there was a need for “expansion” (larger capacity?) of the hospital. The whole truth is … the old Middletown Hospital which Atrium replaced had about twice the number of beds in the new section (and probably 4 times the number of beds if you include the old section of the Middletown Hospital). Thus the expansion was actually a downsizing. And the new hospital proudly promised there would be 1000 new jobs … but the truth is they eliminated 1000 jobs. Now they are contradicting their original claim to need an expanded hospital by claiming that our city is not large enough to support a second hospital. Can’t have it both ways!!!

Next, they claim that Atrium supports local schools, but in truth those local schools receiving Atrium’s support are Franklin/Warren County schools, and NOT Middletown/Butler County schools!!!! The city of Middletown has to pay Franklin school district for the loss of property taxes due to Atrium’s non-profit status. Remember the big fight with Franklin school district about Middletown trying to force students in the area surrounding Atrium north east of the Rte122 and I-75 intersection? The state of Ohio settled that in favor of Franklin and labeled Middletown’s action an attempted money grab.

Atrium, will soon, no longer have an agreement with United Healthcare (and perhaps Anthem) and may not even be in negotiations to come to an agreement. Additionally, United Healthcare has questioned the quality of care and the high prices charged at Atrium. They have sent letters to their insured, advising them to seek new doctors associated with a hospital other than Atrium.

Before being admitted at Atrium, patients whose insurance may not be accepted there, are asked to sign a form stating that they will be personally responsible for paying Atrium’s high priced bill (which also makes the patient responsible for any charges that are over and above what their insurance might pay). Some of those patients could easily be bankrupt by a potentially expensive hospital stay … which could cost $100,000 or so. Seems a bit like extortion.

There are multiple reasons why Atrium has mostly empty beds (poor quality care and high prices, the major ones) and that’s a result of their own short sighted, self-serving mismanagement. Atrium beds are empty because Middletown citizens have found it necessary to go out of town to seek quality care under their insurance plans. They are actually unable to use Atrium. This is the very reason that we need Kettering’s “new beds” that Atrium is so desperate to turn away.

How can Council, in good conscience, justify turning down the zoning change for Kettering?

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Journal-News FRONT PAGE Oct. 16 2017:

Hospital’s expansion plans worry Premier”

Premier, Atrium’s parent company, is so worried about having to face stiff, healthy competition that they are pulling out all stops to try keep it at bay!!! What’s really ludicrous about their position is that they say that providing more and better healthcare options for the Middletown community is a bad idea. Maybe it’s a bad idea for Atrium but it’s the best thing that could happen for the Middletown area.

The Journal article barely mentions the fact that Atrium is not able to adequately serve the Middletown area with basic healthcare because they do not accept insurance from the major insurance companies that serve most of the local citizens. They are actually trying to keep Kettering Medical from making a major investment in Middletown, bringing in new jobs and growth. If that presents a problem for Atrium, that’s Atrium’s problem. They might just be forced to provide services equal to the competition and learn to accept insurance!!!

Having healthcare services clustered in the designated Renaissance area was part of the city’s plan for Middletown. Compare it to clustered explosion of growth in competing healthcare facilities in West Chester along I-75!!! Why not Middletown??? If Kettering is able to locally supply Middletown with insured healthcare, patients will be no longer need to leave Middletown to receive care. That means we would retain not lose healthcare dollars in Middletown.

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Originally posted by whistlersmom whistlersmom wrote:

Next, they claim that when Atrium was built, there was a need for “expansion” (larger capacity?) of the hospital. The whole truth is … the old Middletown Hospital which Atrium replaced had about twice the number of beds in the new section (and probably 4 times the number of beds if you include the old section of the Middletown Hospital). Thus the expansion was actually a downsizing. And the new hospital proudly promised there would be 1000 new jobs … but the truth is they eliminated 1000 jobs. Now they are contradicting their original claim to need an expanded hospital by claiming that our city is not large enough to support a second hospital. Can’t have it both ways!!!

Wrong again.  MRH had 310 beds.  Atrium reports to have 328 beds. I do believe when Atrium came online it had less than 300 beds, but just slightly.  It does appear the number has increased.

I am happy to site my sources...if you would do the same.

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SWOhio75 -

Thanks to the very, very considerable research and inquiry of a respected, long-term MUSA participant, much of what's stated on this blog is derived from city department information, a couple of courageous local elected officials, and the recognition of successful municipal government community revitalization practices happening elsewhere.

There's nothing wrong with encouraging senior city staff to re-assess their questionable priorities, policies, plans and programs to produce the highest/best uses of limited city funds for lasting, cost-effective outcomes.  Many citizens await the oft-proclaimed revitalization of the Goetz Tower, former Rose Furniture Building, former Montgomery Ward Building, vacant land plus the former Woodworking Shop within the 1300 block of Central Avenue plus Vail Avenue, vacant land near the Norfolk Southern Railroad tracks (Duncan Oil Deal), former First National Bank Building, etc., etc. 

The latest research indicates that there's only $330,000+ left in the Downtown Fund and $95,000+ in the UDAG fund.  Since CDBG funds are utilized mostly for the city's Code Enforcement activities, that source of investment capital is no longer available.

You might consider speaking with Sam about these matters.
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Oooops!  How could I possibly have forgotten to include the Manchester Inn plus the Snider Building to this list of potential projects?  Ermm
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I believe that MRH’s newer sections had about 368 rooms, all of which had at least 2 beds and some of which had 3 beds; making the total capacity well over 700 beds! which is more than twice the beds at Atrium!

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Has anyone noticed that the entire Atrium/ Kettering matter has ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION AT ALL in the 10/17/17 Journal-News after Kettering abandoned their zoning request yesterday afternoon? (The reason for that might be very interesting!)  Maybe Kettering will be making other plans for a hospital at a nearby location along or near I-75 close to Middletown.  In that case, Atrium and the city of Middletown will be vulnerable to their competition and will probably lose more of the healthcare market share and tax revenue.


Mayor Larry Mulligan deserves major credit for loosing this and other opportunities to improve Middletown’s dire social-economic condition. Mulligan, under the “guidance” of city manager, Doug Adkins, has too often used our taxpayer’s money to the city’s detriment.


A change in leadership on city council will be required in order to attain a fair and honest local government which will represent all of Middletown instead of a select few. If no resignation(s?) is forthcoming, then the time may be ripe for a recall petition. This change, if successful, ought to be followed with the selection of a new city manger who will hold the city’s best interest above his own.


Unless a majority of Middletown’s taxpaying voters come out in support of making necessary changes in our city government, we will suffer many more years of abuse.

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Originally posted by swohio75 swohio75 wrote:

https://citymanagermiddletown.com/2017/10/17/kettering-health-network-rezoning-request/



Because we were directed to a supporting site concerning Kettering, and, having read the explanation, does not make it so as told by the city manager. With the lack of truthful, open, honest communication from this city government, it makes it extremely difficult to know what is correct. We are a forum of doubters and for good reason. We do not necessarily believe what is told to us by city hall. We are not that gullible. Some will throw themselves on the sword for the city leaders and believe anything they are told. Most of us are not that foolish.

I still do not know why the city leaders didn't welcome Kettering with open arms unless they were intimidated by Atrium's medical influence in town. Good paying jobs. Possibility of some quality people locating to Middletown instead of the rubbish we seem to attract. The creation of a competitive medical choice situation for the people of this city. The addition of another medical facility along the Union Rd. corridor. A possibility of Kettering Medical offering more diversity for medical procedures, testing and outpatient services. A possibility of people who have insurance that Atrium won't take receiving medical services from Kettering instead, and, of course, the great benefit of more medical facilities close to home that will be used in greater numbers by an aging Baby Boomer population.

No reason what so ever to have denied any Kettering Medical facility proposal IMO. Another blown opportunity by this so-called "business friendly" city. When they can demonstrate just how friendly this town can be, they screw that up too. Seems to me that everything the city building touches, they screw up. Sad to see.   
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I might know what's going on.  That facility they built in Franklin on 73....is an identical footprint to this one.  You wanna bet that Franklin will welcome them with open arms to do literally ANYTHING in their city?  You betcha!  They're smart.  We're.....well our leaders are....not so much.

Once again we lose out to our surrounding communities due to One Donham's arrogance.  When will they realize we've given away the store to Monroe, Franklin, etc.......and start thinking about the real future of this city?

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excellent point bud bob--+ Kettering takes my(and a lot of others') insurance
I will have no problem going there first, and on to Sycamore if necessary
I don't see why council is against this, siding with Atrium vs the large majority of citizens/health care
time for change next month imo!
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Originally posted by buddhalite buddhalite wrote:

I might know what's going on.  That facility they built in Franklin on 73....is an identical footprint to this one.  You wanna bet that Franklin will welcome them with open arms to do literally ANYTHING in their city?  You betcha!  They're smart.  We're.....well our leaders are....not so much.

Once again we lose out to our surrounding communities due to One Donham's arrogance.  When will they realize we've given away the store to Monroe, Franklin, etc.......and start thinking about the real future of this city?

Bob
The Franklin facility is not on the scale of what's being built in Middletown. The Franklin facility is a $10 million, 12-bed emergency center. It is 12,000 square feet with about 40 employees. 

The Middletown facility is a 67,000-square-foot medical center (5x the size of the Franklin facility)  that will offer a full-service emergency department, outpatient lab and imaging services and medical office building for physician practices. It is also expected to create over 100 jobs.

I am not saying they won't expand in Franklin.  However, their existing property does present challenges from an expansion standpoint.

The good news is this is a large development and a big investment by a company on a dilapidated piece of property in an area that has seen anemic growth at best.  
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Hmmm.....you may very well be right - but I stand firm that we're gonna lose out to our neighbors to the north and south until this city wakes up!

It's gonna take some of us to rise up run!

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Originally posted by spiderjohn spiderjohn wrote:

time for change next month imo!
Oh - is that why I saw a couple of Mulligan campaign signs on your front lawn? Wink
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lol--they pay me for the locations--always take the $$
what is your yard sign rate?
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No yard signs here. 
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SWOhio75, thanks for the Mulligan yard sign sighting.  How ironic?
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ironic? hardly--don't read in to this as meaningful
hey politicians--my yard is for sale!

I really like Mrs.Mulligan's thinking towards our school system--I will vote for Todd Moore and her
Council--I have no hope for them--major disappointments imo
I will vote for Ami Vitori and probably one other--maybe Joe since he has to listen to my thinking while we play golf weekly--I like Dora but not a fan of anything Joe or she has done while serving + I want Council to open up discussion at their meetings instead of privately prior. Time could be saved during pre-meeting instead of during meeting, + giving interested citizens more insight in to individuals' leanings and reasoning.

Yes--I am capable of having real constructive friendly conversations with most of these people.
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Oh Spider- Feel free to support whomever you'd like.  I don't judge. 

Honestly, I am missing Anita Scott Jones these days!

Tal has been a good addition. Ami will make a good addition as well.

 

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If I actually thought I could rent my yard, I would.....that's an interesting thought.  Makes me wish I had a corner lot somewhere....

I'm kinda fence sitting on for whom to vote.....SW, do you care to expound on why Ami would be a good addition?

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