New Mall Area in the Works which do you prefer
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Topic: New Mall Area in the Works which do you prefer
Posted By: Pacman
Subject: New Mall Area in the Works which do you prefer
Date Posted: Jul 22 2009 at 6:56am
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Posted By: Hermes
Date Posted: Jul 22 2009 at 11:51am
Regardless of the plan the "city leaders" will find a way to destroy everything in their path. "They" are the ones who abandoned downtown in the first place,"they" helped the hospital to leave,"they" are helping business to locate on the east side,"they" are emptying city coffers. Secede the land back to Warren County and watch how fast it grows and prospers.
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Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Jul 22 2009 at 12:00pm
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Hermes the Hospital left, geez where the hell did it go I just spent two days there got out yesterday and it is gone already damn!!!!!
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Posted By: gemneye70
Date Posted: Jul 22 2009 at 12:08pm
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I like 2 and 3, but think #2 is more realisitic.
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Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Jul 22 2009 at 12:22pm
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I'll go along with that gemneye70 except do away with the Traffic Circles in all of the plans, hard enough driving in a straight line when it snows here sometimes as it is, don't need any additiona hazards.
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Jul 22 2009 at 12:32pm
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As stated before, I don't agree with using ANY of this land for conference centers, residential, artsy district stuff or low end retail. This is one of the very few locations with decent size (56 acres), that offers shovel ready site/location and all amenities to make something worthwhile out of it. Don't waste this opportunity on residential (we've already got an excess of foreclosed/unwanted/abandoned properties), low pay retail (won't provide decent job opportunities for the citizens and plays into and adds to the "we're a poor town" mentality), no conference centers, artsy theatre themes that will not contribute one thing toward what we need the most - DECENT PAYING JOBS THAT ATTRACT THE PROFESSIONAL ELEMENTS OF SOCIETY!!! These technical upscale jobs will bring in revenue, PERHAPS, PERHAPS, he said, provide a customer base for the realtors for home sales (probably in the "nicer" parts of town with the income levels of these proposed jobs), perhaps- perhaps he said- provide a larger customer base for the existing businesses in town and BEGIN to create some money flow in town as, hopefully, extra spendable income will be provided. JOBS- not restaurants, not more fast food, not conference centers, not more housing, not fru fru "civic/arts"- JOBS JMO
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Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Jul 22 2009 at 12:57pm
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"DECENT PAYING JOBS THAT ATTRACT THE PROFESSIONAL ELEMENTS OF SOCIETY!!!"
Yes who will all live in West Chester, Mason, Springboro, Dayton and Monroe, Lakota, Liberty Township, etc. etc. and spend their money there. No amenities means no new residents. Hell what is it about 75%, not sure of the exact number, of the Police and Fire Dept, don't even live in Middletown. If you want to remain just the Poverty, Section 8, Public Housing City that we are thought of by others keep ignoring what attracts new residents, the professionals, as you call them to town. It ain't to get on the Section 8 list
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Posted By: Smokey Burgess
Date Posted: Jul 22 2009 at 1:06pm
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What does it tell you when the top echelon of the City's Community Revitalization Department live in Mason, Lebanon and Hamilton respectively??
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Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Jul 22 2009 at 1:34pm
Alternative 1: A Partial Anchor Retention
This alternative proposes a redevelopment concept that retains portions of the existing Towne Mall with at least one anchor. The site design is revised to allow for the redevelopment of the frontage of the site with new outlot developments and improved design features including a boulevard, multipurpose recreation paths, landmark features and a central /park plaza area to accommodate outdoor venues and activities.
Key recommendations include:
1. Retain existing anchor building and retrofit the structure for a “grand” entrance on a plaza on the south side of the building to incorporate it into a new retail development that fronts onto a new landscaped boulevard.
2. Create a plaza and outdoor gathering space to provide a terminal vista for the axis oriented to increase visibility for the retail development from Ohio 122 that would also include landmark features in plaza design.
3. Establish a new large format entertainment or destination use like a movie theater to serve as a recreational draw to the site and support the retail development.
4. Provide small format retail spaces as part of the site redevelopment. Businesses should be oriented toward the south and incorporate opportunities for outdoor space associated with uses.
5. Encourage development with restaurant or hospitality uses. This location could support office, research facilities, restaurants, or retail. If a hotel is established in this area it would be best supported with an event venue like a convention/conference center on the other portion of the site.
6. Provide a large public open space to create a vista running north-south to improve visibility from Ohio 122 to the reformatted retail. Include facilities in the open space for outdoor events like concerts, farmer’s markets, and festivals as well as walking and biking. Use this area to serve as a key pedestrian and bike connection in the center of the site.
7. Encourage a large format cultural destination use that will employ signature architecture. Appropriate uses in this location include a college branch location, performing arts theater, conference center, or a large format research or office complex. A destination lodge could also be an appropriate use of this portion of the site.
8. Promote development of additional small and medium format retail to support the reformatting of Pendleton Circle into a landscaped thoroughfare rather than an access drive. This would allow the Sears store to maintain dual entrances from the north and south facades.
Alternative 2: A New Urbanist Town Center
Alternative 2 proposes to clear the site of the Towne Mall and create a new urbanist-style town center with a new site design and building configurations.
The proposed concept includes a central intersection that effectively divides the site into quadrants. This alternative also includes a pedestrian component that extends out of the study area to the northeast to Dixie Highway.
The alternative is pedestrian oriented and should be designed with human scale architectural features. The central uses should be a vertical and horizontal mix of retail, restaurant, office and services with potential upper story residential, based on market demand. Buildings should be of a moderate scale, but include multiple floors. The site should also accommodate civic or destination uses.
Key recommendations include:
1. Encourage compact small scale multi-family residential development, well buffered from adjacent commercial/retail uses.
2. Create a dual purpose open space to buffer residential development from service areas and provide stormwater management facilities.
3. Include small scale freestanding structures to accommodate retail, office and service uses, or possible hotels, near the perimeter of the site. Buildings should be oriented to the new internal streets.
4. Encourage vertically mixed-use structures with pedestrian friendly architecture that create the feel of a traditional main street district. The buildings could accommodate retail, service, office and residential uses. Parking should be provided in rear parking lots or in structured parking.
5. Encourage a unique or destination use that features signature architecture: Potential uses include a conference center, branch college, civic building, performing arts theater, research and development facility or destination lodge.
6. Develop a well landscaped boulevard as a central access street for development, include street trees, decorative lighting and furniture to accommodate pedestrians and bicyclists. Orient entrance ways and street level activities toward this boulevard.
7. Provide well landscaped surface parking lots and additional screening between parking lots and Ohio 122.
8. Create multi-purpose open spaces such as plazas and small parks where events such as farmer’s markets, concerts or festivals could be held, and daily activities, like outdoor dining areas or recreation, can be accommodated.
Alternative 3: Mixed Use Lifestyle Center
Alternative 3 proposes a redevelopment of the site into quadrants. The front two quadrants would be dedicated to medium and large format retail with outlot sit-down restaurants. The rear and east quadrant would be dedicated to destination uses or hospitality and office, with opportunity for a small conference center and adjacent hotel. The northwest quadrant would be dedicated to a mix of townhouses and multi-family housing into a traditional style neighborhood. All of the quadrants would be centered around a central roundabout with a park or green.
Key recommendations include:
1. Create a residential neighborhood to accommodate townhouses and multi-family residential in a traditional neighborhood format. Allow for on-street parking and individual garages. The neighborhood should have screening along the southern portion of the quadrant.
2. Create a central park and green focused around a square or roundabout, to add a focal point to the site and provide open space for the residential and hospitality uses.
3. Create landscaped boulevards with lawns, street trees and sidewalks or multi-use paths.
4. Encourage a business-class hotel/conference center with extensive landscaping of the site.
5. Encourage a medium to large format cultural destination use that will employ signature architecture. Appropriate uses in this location include a college branch location, performing arts theater, conference center, or a large format research or office complex.
6. Allow for one or two large format retail uses between 40,000 to 80,000 square feet to anchor a shopping center. The rear facades may face Ohio 122, but landscaping should be used to soften the view, and the facades should be completed of high-quality materials on all four sides to present a finished appearance to the road.
7. Allow for outlot development for restaurants, and encourage sit-down restaurants or outlot retail.
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Posted By: swohio75
Date Posted: Jul 22 2009 at 2:05pm
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Regardless of how you may or may not feel about the current situation at the Towne Mall and the city's leadership in making long-term decisions about its future, everyone should have an opinion/preference.
I'd vote for #2 because I believe, after reading the Master Plan for Renaissance, it fits with the vision of the area east of 75.
A multi-unit housing developement--both owner occupied and renter occupied--would be a good fit so long as it is a unique product not currently found in the Middletown market (i.e. townhomes, brownstones, loft-style). This might draw a new type of home-buyer to the area. I know some of you will continue to argue about additional housing, but I stress it must be a product currently not found in the market.
Plus, additional housing within walking distance to this development will only further strengthen retail/entertainment in the area.
#2 seems most urban; option #3 feels too suburban.
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Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Jul 22 2009 at 2:16pm
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SwOhio the only problem with 3 as it is now would you buy or rent a property that overlooks basically the backend of Meijer's, even with screening it would not be the most pleasing of views for any upscale or medium scale type of housing.
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Posted By: swohio75
Date Posted: Jul 22 2009 at 2:22pm
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Sorry. I had to edit my post. It's option 2 I like best. Wrote the post in a hurry and the four squares threw me off :)
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Jul 22 2009 at 2:45pm
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Pac- do you really think that the "amenities" proposed here (ie conference centers, housing, art center, restaurants,fru fru, etc,) is going to attract more professionals to this city than the actual jobs? I still contend that this Towne Mall site needs to be developed to attract professionals, not more transparent crap. We've only got one shot at this and we must do it right because after all this crap that is being proposed is in place, we will still have not used this site for it's best purpose. Do you not think that a certain percentage of the professionals that did work in this city, wouldn't choose to live close by? Middletown has nice homes that are now dirt cheap to purchase as opposed to higher West Chester, Mason and Springboro prices. They may spend the bulk of their money in these outlying communities but the city will still be collecting taxes from their paychecks and they still will patronize some of the local stores out of convenience. Yes, I agree about the welfare city image created by the overabundance of Section 8. Need to get rid of most of that at the same time we are trying to change the job outlook. If you don't want to try to upgrade the town by attracting more influential people to it, it will remain the welfare town the leaders are trying to make it. Kick 'em out of leadership roles, purge the Section 8, clean up the trashy areas, fix the frickin' roads and get some upscale residents in here by providing professional jobs for them. JMO
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Posted By: Hermes
Date Posted: Jul 22 2009 at 2:49pm
Pacman wrote:
Hermes the Hospital left, geez where the hell did it go I just spent two days there got out yesterday and it is gone already damn!!!!! |
The hospital moved while you were flirting with all those nurses ! 
Pay attention Pacman !!
------------- No more democrats no more republicans,vote Constitution Party !!
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Posted By: Hermes
Date Posted: Jul 22 2009 at 2:59pm
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I'm with Vet on the attraction for some type of business park or office building. We need the income tax base and the jobs. Who is going to shop in a fancy mall if they have no job and no money ? Monroe has beat us to the punch on the mall situation,the mall is a mute point. Retail in this economy and in Middletown is a waste of time. We have lost Kmart and you want to build more retail ? Won't work,can't work. Before you build a strong army you have to have soldiers. Get the soldiers then go out and conquer.
Or as a last resort SECEDE THE LAND BACK TO WARREN COUNTY AND START ALL OVER.
------------- No more democrats no more republicans,vote Constitution Party !!
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Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Jul 22 2009 at 3:23pm
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Geez Hermes you are talking Kmart here basically the bulk of town won't loose any sleep over it. There is Retail and then retail. You all need to move and see what is going on outside of the world of Middletown. There is definitely more to life and the world than what Middletown currently offers. It will be 10 years before this town catches up education wise to be able to staff any hi-tech venture from local residents. In the mean time while you blow off the retail, the movie theaters, the restaurants, the shopping, the amenities the young adults are moving on and not looking back.
Retail in Middletown is such a hard sell because of your Income and Poverty level. Move Income up and Poverty down and a whole new world of retail opens to you.
You need to look at more than just one dimension here. You start on the East end and move on down 122 until you re-build what use to be a booming town. Move out/redo these old dilapidated Strip Malls and buildings, etc. You have a whole downtown area that can be built into Urban Housing setting at some point and then it will stand a chance of surviving, but it will not be the Artsy center that many want. You need to avoid the Chinese fire drill mess that you have over where Applebees is and do it right this time not half-assed as has been done in the past.
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Jul 22 2009 at 3:48pm
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Pac- the high tech ventures will be staffed by out of town managers, scientists, professionals. The technician/non-ptofessional ranks will more likely be staffed by locals in town. Not enough talent in Middletown alone to staff in the manager, scientists ranks. You mention "Move income up and poverty down and a whoel new world of retail opens to you". Doesn't "moving income up" encompass what I am suggesting- ie getting more professional jobs in town? The congestion around Applebee's. Yes , it's a cluster as to traffic pattern and ease of traffic flow. Do we really need more restaurants around this area as has been proposed as your Applebee's observation suggests? "You all need to move and see what is going on outside of the world of Middletown"--- I get out of Middletown and what Middletown offers everyday as I work in Dayton. I'm aware of life outside of this town. Maybe that's why I'm so frustrated with the condition of this city.
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Posted By: lrisner
Date Posted: Jul 22 2009 at 4:43pm
And what private money is going to pay for all this?
Any more Middletown City tax money for development when the streets are falling apart and I move to Mason and my existing House can become part of Middletown's Section 8 inventory!
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Posted By: Hermes
Date Posted: Jul 22 2009 at 6:35pm
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Well how come nobody wants to talk about seceding the east side to Warren County ?
I think thats best idea ! If we can't succeed in growth then lets try it in down sizing.
------------- No more democrats no more republicans,vote Constitution Party !!
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Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Jul 22 2009 at 7:35pm
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Someone help me understand all of this!!!
The City of Middletown has spent $13,000 of taxpayers' money on a consultant (consultants usually tell you what YOU tell them to tell you) to tell the City that Towne Mall should be an artsy-fartsy center with lots of green space, walking trails, and bike paths. Now the City will try to TELL the OWNERS of this PRIVATE PROPERTY how to conduct their own business, or else the CITY will legislate them into doing what they want. In the meantime, our "BOOMING" downtown is morphing into an artsy-fartsy district with lots of green space and walking trails and bike paths, but City Hall thinks that we need TWO artsy-fartsy districts with lots of green space, walking trails and bike paths.
Have I got all of this right???
How do I get back to the SANE side of the "looking glass"???
------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Posted By: lrisner
Date Posted: Jul 22 2009 at 8:22pm
Mike_Presta wrote:
Someone help me understand all of this!!!
The City of Middletown has spent $13,000 of taxpayers' money on a consultant (consultants usually tell you what YOU tell them to tell you) to tell the City that Towne Mall should be an artsy-fartsy center with lots of green space, walking trails, and bike paths. Now the City will try to TELL the OWNERS of this PRIVATE PROPERTY how to conduct their own business, or else the CITY will legislate them into doing what they want. In the meantime, our "BOOMING" downtown is morphing into an artsy-fartsy district with lots of green space and walking trails and bike paths, but City Hall thinks that we need TWO artsy-fartsy districts with lots of green space, walking trails and bike paths.
Have I got all of this right???
How do I get back to the SANE side of the "looking glass"??? |
That is my whole point. The only way they can have any real influence on the Property is by throwing enough of our Tax dollars at it until the Property owners want to be on board.
I'm still mad about the PAC deal, and Tony Mac said it was a "Home Run".
Home Run, my a**!
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Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Jul 23 2009 at 6:28am
Mike "Now the City will try to TELL the OWNERS of this PRIVATE PROPERTY how to conduct their own business"
Mike I can’t believe they have wasted $13,000 on a plan for a PRIVATE PROPERTY BUSINESS OWNER when they can’t even come up with a working plan for their own property and their historic downtown business district. Yet our power happy City Hall thinks they know what is best for this prime retail spot. Did you notice he kept using the word PARTNERSHIP...yep our money is getting ready to go down another drain.
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Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Jul 23 2009 at 4:59pm
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Exactly, Ms. Moon!!!
Our City Hall thinks that they are the EXPERTS on EVERYTHING, but they don't even get the simple concept that they do NOT own PRIVATE property!!!
------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Jul 23 2009 at 5:16pm
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I have to chuckle as I lay here in the Atrium Hospital, I tried to surf on over to the City of Middletown's web site at http://www.cityofmiddletown.org - www.cityofmiddletown.org and the hospital's internet service has blocked access to the City's web site, "Your organization's Internet use policy restricts access to this web page at this time."
But anyways if you go to http://www.citofmiddletown.org - www.citofmiddletown.org you will see in the City Managers report for 7-21-09 I believe that a presentation is going to be made to Council about what the City is going to do, try to do with the Downtown area. No specifics but that a plan has been formulated. Anyone around here have anyone ask them what they would like for Downtown?
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Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: Jul 23 2009 at 5:26pm
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My understanding is part of the downtown area would be revitalized with the train depot reopening for the Cleveland Cinn train. However I really don't know who would stop there and feel safe to walk downtown to the gold stores or to the gas station that gets robbed all the time.
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Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Jul 23 2009 at 5:53pm
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I agree Bobbie the Train situtation for now and the forseeable future is a red herring as far as an abundance of tourists coming to town. In the beginning is going to run 2-4 trains a day, depending on usage. The trip will take 6 hours on a good day supposedly. Which probably means 6-8 hrs.
Now just how many people are going to be rushing to Middletown from Cinc or Cleveland or points inbetween as a tourist. Forget the myriad of other questions, City transportation, hotels, restaurants, attractions in downtown, etc. I just don't get it.
Now down the road when and if they add service to say Dayton and Cincy for workers then maybe you will have a higher ridership, how many I have no clue. If Middletown gets the stop it will be a blip on AMTRAKS map and a very small one at that.
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Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Jul 23 2009 at 6:05pm
Pacman wrote:
I have to chuckle as I lay here in the Atrium Hospital..."
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Pacman:
If there is any way that I can be of assistance, PLEASE feel free to call.
------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Posted By: Impala SS
Date Posted: Jul 23 2009 at 6:31pm
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Pacman> Are you going to be ok? If there is anything I can do just let me know. I cant do much but i will do what i can.
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Posted By: tomahawk35
Date Posted: Jul 23 2009 at 11:25pm
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There probably will be alot of people rushing to Middletown on the train from Cinn.,Dayton,and Clev. so they can sell or pawn all of their stolen property to the many pawn shops that make up most of the downtown businesses. I bet they are hoping that the train stops here. Only Middletown would furnish them with transportation.
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Posted By: Ima B. Lever
Date Posted: Jul 24 2009 at 1:40am
Ninety percent (90%) of our government in Middletown is half (50%) sensible??   Go figure!!  
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Posted By: ashkicker
Date Posted: Jul 24 2009 at 8:43am
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Pacman,
Why do you cite the Police and Fire personnel's choice of residence? Let me in on your thinking.
Ashkicker
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Posted By: gemneye70
Date Posted: Jul 24 2009 at 10:55am
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They should put a bass pro shoppe where the mall is now.
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Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Jul 24 2009 at 11:21am
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Did anyone go to the meeting last night at MUM Downtown?
Can you give us a report on what was discussed?
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Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Jul 24 2009 at 11:30am
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My thinking is that I was surprised so few Police/Fire personnel actually reside in the city limits.
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Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Jul 24 2009 at 11:33am
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Mike and Impala I am back out of the Hospital, lets see if I can make it more than one day this time.....thanks for the offer Mike.
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Posted By: Ima B. Lever
Date Posted: Jul 24 2009 at 2:01pm
THE QUESTIONABLE PROBABILITY OF ECONOMIC REDEVELOPMENT IN MIDDLETOWN??    WALL STREET JOURNAL - BUSINESS - JULY 20, 2009
Commercial Loans Failing at Rapid Pace
By LINGLING WEI and MAURICE TAMMAN
U.S. banks have been charging off soured commercial mortgages at the fastest pace in nearly 20 years, according to an analysis by The Wall Street Journal. At that rate, losses on loans used to finance offices, shopping malls, hotels, apartments and other commercial property could reach about $30 billion by the end of 2009.
The losses by regional banks on their commercial real-estate loans will be among the most watched details as thousands of banks report second-quarter results over the next two weeks. Many of the most troubled banks have heavy exposure to commercial real estate. So far, 57 banks have failed this year.
The $30 billion estimate is based on financial reports filed by more than 8,000 banks for the first quarter. The trend continued as a handful of major banks reported second-quarter results, including Goldman Sachs Group Inc., J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. and Bank of America Corp. Regional banks tend to have higher exposure to commercial real estate than these big financial institutions.
The commercial real-estate market, valued at about $6.7 trillion, represents 13% of the U.S.'s gross domestic product. But the recession and scarce credit are pushing more commercial developers and investors into default. Meanwhile, property values continue to decline, and banks are required to record a loss on any troubled real-estate loans where the appraised value falls below the amount owed.
Delinquencies on commercial mortgages held by banks more than doubled to about 4.3% in the second quarter from a year earlier, Foresight Analytics estimates. Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D., N.Y.), who heads the House's Joint Economic Committee, said she is working with Treasury Department officials on a plan to try to head off rising defaults on commercial mortgages before they cascade into a crisis.
In contrast to home loans, the majority of which were made by about 10 lenders, thousands of U.S. banks, especially regional and community banks, loaded up on commercial-property debt.
Ironically, small banks appear to be much less aggressive in recognizing losses than their bigger brethren. According to the Journal analysis, the largest banks, with assets of more than $100 billion, saw charge-offs roughly quadruple last year, while losses at many medium-size banks grew at a much smaller rate of 120%.
One monument to both the excessive froth of the real-estate boom and the morning-after headache setting in for lenders is the landmark Equitable Building, rising 33 stories above downtown Atlanta.
In 2007, San Diego real-estate firm Equastone LLC paid $57 million for the office tower and took out a $51.9 million mortgage from Capmark Bank, a Utah-based unit of Capmark Financial Group Inc. in Horsham, Pa. Equastone planned to expand the tower and attract a tenant with pockets deep enough to rename the building.
Shortly after the purchase, the economic slump pushed vacancies higher and rents down. In April, Capmark Bank foreclosed on the building after Equastone defaulted on the debt.
In June, the Equitable Building was sold in a foreclosure auction for $29.5 million, 43% less than the original loan amount. And the buyer? It was 100 Peachtree Street Atlanta, a company formed by Capmark Bank for the purpose of acquiring the building. There were no other bidders.
Steven Nielsen, Capmark Bank's chief executive, said the mortgage was written off to the "estimated value" of the building. He wouldn't specify the size of the related charge-off on Capmark's books. Property-tax records show the building was valued at about $44.8 million at foreclosure, which would equal a $7.1 million loss for the bank.
Some bankers say they feel growing pressures from regulators to take losses on commercial real-estate exposure as a way of reducing the possibility of a catastrophic hit later.
"We recognize losses as quickly as any bank, partly because bank regulators dictate that," said Ed Garding, chief credit officer at First Interstate Bank, of Billings, Mont. More than 40% of the bank's loans are in commercial real estate, but according to the Journal analysis, annualized charge-offs in 2009 would be just 3% of its nonperforming commercial mortgages as of the end of 2008. That compares with an average of 34% for all U.S. banks.
Mr. Garding said the commercial real-estate market has held up relatively well in First Interstate's markets in Montana and Wyoming. Meanwhile, "we're strongly collateralized so the loan doesn't result in a loss," he added.
Among other banks with notably low charge-offs: Based on the Journal study, annualized write-offs this year would be only 9% of all nonperforming commercial mortgages at a Wachovia Corp. unit in Charlotte, N.C. A spokeswoman at Wachovia declined to comment.
At New York Community Bank, a New York State-charted savings bank, that ratio would be a meager 2% in the first quarter. Ilene Angarola, director of investor relations at New York Community Bancorp., the bank holding company, credited the bank's strong underwriting standards. "Even though we have seen a decline in property values, our loan-to-value ratio is conservative enough that we haven't experienced anywhere near the degree of the charge-offs our peers have experienced," Ms. Angarola said.
Some analysts, meanwhile, worry that banks aren't sufficiently recognizing losses on their commercial real-estate loans, thereby exposing themselves to bigger losses later. According to Deutsche Bank AG, since the beginning of last year, the amount of charged-off commercial mortgages as a percentage of such debt outstanding has ranged from a high of 3.2% to as low as 0.3%.
"Net charge-offs to date have been highly inadequate," said Richard Parkus, head of commercial mortgage-backed securities research at Deutsche Bank. "This is clearly a problem that is being pushed out into the future."
How aggressively regulators respond could help determine how long the commercial-property market remains mired in turmoil. "If banks are allowed to bury problem loans away in their portfolios for years via massive term extensions, this is likely to be a very long process," Mr. Parkus said.
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Posted By: gemneye70
Date Posted: Jul 24 2009 at 3:33pm
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I like the idea someone had about using the towne mall area as a research center...I lived in Indianapolis where there is IUPUI...a joint school between Indiana University and Purdue...someone should appraoch UD, Wright State, UC and Miami about doing something like that...they could focus on green technology, transitioning from old technologies like steel to high tech industry, and ways to help old cities and towns attract industry, jobs, high income population, while also dealing with growing HUD housing...
Succession should happen from the Warren County line to the city limits on the east with the option of certain lots of land owned by those of us on here to be included regardless of where they are located. We could call in Georgetowne...could make an agreement with the schools in Warren county to accept our children.
Last, since non of what I said above will happen, MUM should increase their presence in downtown and then we pray that one of us wins the lottery and injects private monies into it to fix things up...
BTW, I hope to attend the Bash 29 Jan to see the Websters...I hear they are good...and they play music more my taste then what they usually have.
Last thing...I promise. Does anyone think a Baskin Robbins would be a good business for someone to open in town? Say, somewhere over by walmart or in or close to the mall if and when they fix it up?
Sorry, I ramble...
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Posted By: gemneye70
Date Posted: Jul 24 2009 at 3:35pm
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One final comment...I love the idea of Brownstones anywhere...if I could sell my house I would buy one.
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