Give your opinion on the 3-C Rail Plan
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Topic: Give your opinion on the 3-C Rail Plan
Posted By: Pacman
Subject: Give your opinion on the 3-C Rail Plan
Date Posted: Sep 30 2009 at 2:50pm
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Posted By: Rail Fan
Date Posted: Sep 30 2009 at 4:29pm
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My vote is to first begin stabilizing both the Social Security and MediCare programs that are going broke partially due to previous Congressional raiding of these trust funds.
In my opinion, high speed rail service is not a high priority for the State of Ohio. My preference is to stimulate "real" private sector jobs via miscellaneous incentives.
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Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Sep 30 2009 at 5:27pm
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Pacman The 3-C Rail Plan is a flawed plan because they have already stated that it would not even break even...more wasted tax payers money. The 3-rail Plan if and when it ever stops in Middletown will only take people and their money away from Middletown to all the new Casinos that are going to be built here in Ohio...but the good thing is the money will be staying in Ohio. |
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Sep 30 2009 at 6:09pm
Vivian you don't have to convince me, I am not a proponent of a rail system doing much of anything for Middletown. Those that think the tourists are just going to line up to come to Middletown, I have a house I'd like to sell you in the Third Ward.
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Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Sep 30 2009 at 9:42pm
Pac: Even more ludicrous is the belief of City Hall that people will be lining up to ride these trains to DOWNTOWN Middletown as a "DESTINATION"!!! 
Other than possibly to attend a meeting, has anyone ever heard ANYONE state that they wanted to visit DOWNTOWN (specifically) Middletown as a DESTINATION???
(I will grant that some may have for MidFests, but those three days per year hardly justify year around train service, and more likely the "destination" would be near I-75, where more motel rooms are available on those days.) ------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012 |
Posted By: rngrmed
Date Posted: Oct 01 2009 at 1:15am
Mike you forgot the days in the summer when we have Broad Street Bash..
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Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Oct 01 2009 at 6:15am
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Broad Street Bash is the one bright spot that we've had lately. However, that is simply not enough to make Middletown a tourist destination, and certainly not enough to draw people by the trainload to a station over a mile (and it would have to be more, as the existing location is not viable) away.
I admire what the Broad Street Bash group has accomplished, and wish them continued success. I also hope that they don't step on the wrong toes and get squashed by the self-appointed illuminati of this town. ------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012 |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Oct 01 2009 at 6:54am
Hey! Whoa! Midfest- Broad St. Bash- small taters'. Don't forget the Balloon Fest with all 70,000 people in attendance. Have we not learned anything here? Let's not make the fatal mistake of leaving Ann Mort out of the conversation and not mention her name and give her due credit.  I agree with all who think this is not worth the price to administer. And I don't see how, once/if implemented, it will have a dramatic impact on this city. Nothing to "get off" the train for in this town.(unless it's to visit the Hydraulic Canal on a 90 degree summer day in "full aromatic bloom" or a "ye old horse and buggy" tour of the vacant shops in ye old downtown Middletown as the "vision" is explained to the patrons) Don't understand the city leaders position on this.  I made a comment on the survey that the rail system would be phased out in future years or greatly reduced in service area with stations being closed over time as interest waned. In the meantime, a massive amount of taxpayer money would have been wasted that could have gone into infrastructure/roads in the state. As with casino planning or any high dollar planning, did the pro rail system proponents ask the states that had this system how it's working for them, while comparing similar demographics? IE- Can't compare a rail usage plan for New York-Chicago-LA and apply it to Ohio usage. I would think the situations in both are totally different. Just don't see it benefitting Middletown a great deal. The only riders getting on/off will be the few commuters that work in Dayton and Cincy. Most will continue to drive. Don't see alot of people coming into town to do business as there aren't that many high profile companies in town to do business with. JMO
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Posted By: Hermes
Date Posted: Oct 01 2009 at 12:16pm
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Unlike the east coast where people live in upstate NY or somewhere and ride the trains everyday to work riders in Ohio will no doubt be occasional. If the train was local and ran a route like a bus then you might see some major ridership. A route from Cincinnati to Hamilton to Middeltown and back again different times of day might do something. (or it might not) But the proposed plan sounds more like a Disneyland ride than anything. With the occasional sightseer out for a day trip.
I see it as a major waste of tax payer money and a quicker way for DC to drive us into total economic collapse.  ------------- No more democrats no more republicans,vote Constitution Party !! |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Oct 01 2009 at 1:01pm
Hermes, the bus route just implemented from Midd. to Hamilton and back would give us an indication of the ridership between the two cities. Haven't heard too much about the amount of usage from this new bus route since it was started. Perhaps the reason we haven't heard much about it is because it isn't going as planned. Alot of noise from officials when things are introduced but it gets real quiet if they aren't successful. Funny how that works.  Kinda like the city leaders big plans for the downtown area and then when nothing happens, the big plans are silenced apparently in the hope that people will forget. Can you all say Paducah (sp) Kentucky trip? Who's fooling who here?
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Posted By: Hermes
Date Posted: Oct 01 2009 at 2:15pm
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Vet - good point I had forgotten about that bus route. But your right too that if something doesn't work as planned it's swept under the rug.
Instead of city leaders working out plans based on the success of other cities why not base it on the FAILURES of other cities and then do the opposite or do something different ? If you do it based on others success all your doing is copying what they did right ? Then if they fail in the future so do we because it was copied.
 I need a nap. ------------- No more democrats no more republicans,vote Constitution Party !! |