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Topic: So Spider.....Just Curious....
Posted By: Pacman
Subject: So Spider.....Just Curious....
Date Posted: May 04 2010 at 7:10pm
Hey Spider, so why did you bring up the Public Safety fund rather than the person that was originally going to bring it up?Big%20smile
 
Nice Plug for http://www.middletownusa.com - www.middletownusa.com by the way.



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Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: May 04 2010 at 7:53pm
huh?


Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 7:16am
Was asked to do so by a friend.
Thought it to be a great opportunity to plug this place, and mention the Public Safety ballot issue language.
As you noticed, it pretty much allows the city to do what they want with the $$$
 
After the Butler Co. "hacking" snafu, does anyone REALLLY trust local election results?
Did anything happen, and if so, exactly what?
 
Levys passed--open yer wallets(empty or not--the billing will follow).
 
Uhhhh-no one voted locally.
No one cares enough to funxtion as a proper citizen?


Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 11:40am
I did not vote as I am getting out of this dreadful city. I knew the apathy would be enough the "movers and shakers" would roun up the votes easily, with such dreadful turnout. Its the smart folks in Springboro and West Chester that shut down the status quo. Hell, even the library passed, so the homeless have more time to linger now. Barge, don't waste your time, F,B,T been pulled in to take the seat of Mr. Armbruster, so you can forget about any possibibility of winning that. Next, look fr 2.25% taxes. Nice reward for the $250KK wasted on F,B,T. Now move him into A's chair. This was not an affirmation of trust, it was an affirmation of apathy. Even saw Price over at MUM mingling, probably pulling in votes from the students to stuff the box. Now Rasmussen in the a 7 year deal as he "studies" what needs to be done. Who cares, I'm out of here, tired of the backwoods politics, but at least Nenni got crushed. Nancy Nix must be so depressed on that occurrence. All that will be left in Middletown will be the senior citizens. Too many sitting on the sideline, letting others pull the string. Thank God I got my tax valuation reduced by $40 Kk, look forward to those "Left Behind" in capping the annual 4%.     


Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 3:54pm

wow acclaro---hate to see you leaving town again just as we begin the turnaround! Just remember to pay the property taxes on your "for sale" home! Don't be so f'n negative. At least you can take better advantage of the local library!

Hated to see Mr.Nenni go down, especially to the sos.  But Paul didn't run a very effective campaign since his core issue didn't really connect. with the masses. Watch Jolivette end up with Carpenter's old job.
 
Meet the new boss--same as the old boss


Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 4:21pm
s, my house has ever been for sale (again) and  always pay my taxes---and you? You fipped to the dark side rapidy. People who voted just were the "lifers", those who get the kickbacks or think they control the city. You are outta yer mind sj, i you think Tom Allen doesn't have this wrapped up. Read the Miamian, class of 89, Best Attorney rating, speciality- education. Who got $250KK for the land grab? Did they threaten to boycott your business sj? What a city of Oz Middletown is. Now they have the at large group in place, see you AJ and Josh.        


Posted By: Smartman
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 4:33pm
Hey acclaro, When you want to go? Hell I will even rent a U-Haul and may drive for you!!! Let us know the date and we will have a big party!!!! Big%20smile


Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 4:51pm
Smartman, the "smart" ons got out o Middletown a long time ago, Dr. Watson, son of the Denny' Lumber store owner, so many others. Hell, I tol you the levy woul pass, about the only property owners are those that voted, and Miletown just keeps on the sam path. My father was a univerity President but there is nothing about this levy which entered into my calculus. Too many likyou who wanted others to spread the cost. Still won't fill schools though, or make a dent in performance, because the othe problem hasn't gone away. Any admissions officer will tell you a 4.0 at Middletown is treated like a 3.0 at the private schools, so take that next trip to Myrtle Beach knowing that fact. The problem in voters is too many on section 8 could care less about voting. Your side scooped up the senior citizens, the MUM students, and the retirement village. I assure you Smartman, my mind about Middletown was made up 20 plus years ago where it was going. Haven't missed a mark yet. Go high five Tyus and the others who pulled the miracle off. The "outsiders" know Middletown is nothing but public sector employees protecting public servant employees.      


Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 5:08pm

Wow acclaro--if I didn't associate you as being a level-headed thinker, I might judge you to be somewhat bitter about yesterday's very predictable results.

Yer gal Carpenter won, so your Republican demi-gods from West Chester still rule the county at will.
I keep waiting for your conservative Republicans to save us. Why didn't that happen when GW was our ruler with his sidekick yer boy Mr.Boehner?
 
We have one lawyer on Council, that might be enough, though I met Mr.Allen during my very short tenure working for the school levy. Nothing not to like about the guy. Don't be surprised if him not being appointed is the trade-off for Mr.Barge also not making it.
 
Actually, since Mr.Barge was the ONLY person caring enough to run against Mr.A, and ran a clean campaign, I say he DESERVES the nod until the next election.
 
I could live with Mr.Hoffman beig appointed--will learn more about the other young fellow businessman(I heard that he turned in a very impressive application).
 
Lighten up my online friend!
There were no surprises yesterday!
sos--nothing has changed!


Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 5:32pm
spider, I didn't vote yesterday, and would not have voted for CC. She couldn't be any worse than those three amigos who drift aimlessly. County Health Department gutting a fantastic nursing Director because she made a Board member mad about them not coming to his house for the swine flu shot. Butler Cty a joke, and I never mingle with the "clan" of RHINO'S. You are absolutely correct on the results; this was an easy call, the same as every election. Its the same technique as "bundling" for $$$ in campaigns. The Ball group just "bundles" better. Barge has no chance o winning, none. Allen has got the seat won. Young gun, 89 Miami grad, although comical you mention West Chester- his Middletown office associates with the FBT group in West Chester. No bad feelings, as you said, this was a no brainer. Hell, the 2.25% increase will pass. The Vets, others, just don't know the trick of "bundling" for smiles to get the numbers out. And the "c's" get those big family numbers out with absentee ballots, the college kids. So, victory decided always by those who don't pay taxes, as it was, as it is, as it will be sj. And the beat goes on. Right on my man, status quo marches on...until bankruptcy hits within 5 years. It cn't be sustained, it keeps new comers away, but entitlement, as you said, its a "beast" that won't be denied. The feeding continues. Cheers..        


Posted By: Smartman
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 6:08pm

acclaro, now you have pissed me off. My daughter has a 4.275 gpa and is a junior. Our mailbox is filled everyday with college offers from D1 and D2 schools because of her acedemic success received at MHS. No where does it say that because the school says you have a 4.275 we understand that to be a 3.0. You are an ass. And yes I will take another Myrtle Beach trip with those students. This group represents Middletown the way it should be represented. We have travelled all over the country with this group and I am honored to be with them.

Maybe Middletown can move forward when your complaining ass is gone. Make no mistake I will drive your U-Haul where ever you want. Leave and never return!  Clap
 


Posted By: Smartman
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 6:15pm
By the way Spider,,,Thanks for your support! Smile


Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 7:36pm
Smartman- you are a pompous know it all who made no argument to support the levy other than your Myrtle Beach trip. I had two kids that went through 1) William and Mary 2) Davidson. You couldn't carry my skates to the ice rink, let alone move my furniture. Now ask the admissions cousnelors about Fenwick, Summit Country Day, MVS, and they all know the caliber of those schools. They also know MCSD well. The fact a man can become so angry shows the ease of cruise control at MHS. You have no composure and attack, because you think you are entitled, and special. You did the same nonsense on the Middletown Board. You exemplify the Middltown mindset, and the very reason parents would rather pay to keep their kids out of MHS. I did, and my ya's were much better because of it. You are a really intellectual type Smartman, and the type of individual Middletown should be proud.       


Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 7:54pm
wow, this is ugly.


Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 7:57pm
as for the Myrtle Beachers, as I said before my niece was in the group and is not an "A" student.  She has not had to develop good study habits and i fear will be toast if and when she goes to college.  Great kids don't always make good students.


Posted By: Smartman
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 8:46pm
Bill as for your neice,,,maybe she is not an a student,,,some on the trip were not. But they represented themselves and Middletown with honor and pride. Kudos to you neice and the rest of the students.
 
acclaro,,,what planet are you from? I was never on school board.Brag all you want you ass!!! Could care less where your kids went to school , or where yo daddy was a college president! That was RETS TECH,,right? All I am saying is take your pot shots at city councel,,,school board,,,I really dont care, God knows they need it,,,BUT DONT EVER DOUGHT THAT THERE ARE GOOD,,,NO GREAT STUDENTS IN THE SYSTEM,
 
NOW WITH THAT IN MIND GET THE HELL OUT OF TOWN AND GO SPEW YOUR CRAP SOMEWHERE ELSE.
 
Watch out Bill,,,it might get uglier!!
 
Beer is on me when acclaro the ass leaves town!!!!Angry


Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 8:54pm
Bill, there are good students in every district. I can tell you most "good students" from MHS that tackle Fenwick "run back as fast as they can" from Fenwick to safe haven of MHS, lasting less than a year. I had a nephew and niece who graduated with > 4.0 GPA's at MHS, 18 on ACT's and ended up as teachers. They get buried in homeowrk at Fenwick, I know that for a fact. My son cruised at W & M, as he had th rigor of doing 5-6 hrs of homework each night. They won't get that at MHS. But, as sj said, it is what it is, and as expected. Middletown now has the majority of its residents as public servants. They know how to bundle the voters, and the other side, just can't get 10 to attend a mgt. No acrimony from me, I see a Smartman every day in Middletown, its the backbone of the fabric. Can't be changed, and too tired of trying. But, you won't attract abuyer in a city awaiting to max 4% tax increases as the decline continues, and the expectations so low. I mean, Rev. Tyus high-fiving Dr. Rasmussen, when he put his own property in foreclosure. But, it doesn't matter, it will always be what it is. No change, just life long residents living in the past. Payroll made up of public sector entities, each supporting the other. Stuck in quicksand, but for the lifers, the greatest city in America.    


Posted By: Smartman
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 8:59pm
Thought you wre leaving acclaro? BYE!!!! I would rather see many of my type than arrogant assholes like you in town. SO BYE NOW!!!!  Censored


Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 9:08pm
come on people!!!
fighting amongst ourselves only plays into the hands of the puppet masters!
you ALL know about "divide and conquer"!
don't lose sight of the target-don't play into their hands--don't make it easy
 


Posted By: Smartman
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 9:32pm
You are right Spider. Lets move on.


Posted By: Pat
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 11:48pm
Sorry, this is  not ending just yet.  Acclaro, you are an a--!  Agree with Smartman all the way.  And if you're so smart (like u keep telling us you are) why in the heck ,when you predicted M-town's demise 20 yrs ago didn't you get the heck out of here?  Sure has taken you an awfully long time!
 
And by the way, Smartman is correct.  Have a 4.0+ student at MHS and got in the best schools in the region and with their top academic scholarship offers.  Got in all their top tier honors programs at each school,also.
 
You are so ignorant and won't admit it.  You have no clue at all what MHS is like.  How many classes have you attended their in the last, say 2 years???  How may times have you even been in the high school in the last few years???  Sorry, Acclaro, for once you are going to have to admit you are wrong (hard to do, huh?).
Smartman is correct, there is a huge group of top-notch students that would rival any top-notch students from anywhere around.  Yes, even your beloved Fenwick.  My child went to Rosedale and Vail with many of them before they went to Fenwick.  My child has had hours of homework everynight, believe me.  My child has taken and passed the national AP exams with 4 and 5's.  So you can take your "perceptions" of MHS and put them to rest.  They are wrong!
 


Posted By: Pat
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 12:15am
Bill, got a ? for you.  Where are your neice's parents?  Why aren't they helping her develop good study habits and be a better student?  Do they not care if she succeeds in college?


Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 6:26am
Pat, that's a good question.  I think long ago they realized she was made of "C" student timber, like her father, and gave up pushing too much.  Sadly, MHS hands out Cs and Bs like candy so she has never had to do much to get by.
 
These arguments are a bit endless.  Of course there are a handful of top notch students at MHS, as there are in any school, but my guess is that they perform because of their own talent and motivation, not anything that MHS does necessarily.  The top 5% are fine, it's the other 15-20% that could be molded into college student material but have not had to develop good study habits.  They're not going to get pushed at MHS unless they are the ones pushing themselves.  many probably feel like they're fine with their B grades and then realize when they get to college they actually have to work hard...something they were not trained to do.


Posted By: Smartman
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 11:19am
Bill,,,What planet are your from? Go to MHS and do some obervation, then come back and tell us that students are not encouraged to do better.


Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 11:49am
Smartman, reverse role playing- I'm you and Pat. "All you duba** that voted for the levy just don't have a clue how to formulate a rationale opinion. You vote for the levy because you think you got the brightest kid in the room, when, if you can make it to school daily, will graduate with a 3.4 GPA at MHS. What a** you are. In a private school, your kids would be churned out like butter, burning the candle until 1 am, struggling to make a 2.8, and being outgunned by kids that their parents were owners of major companies, docs, attorneys, Partners at Bain, Presidents at P & G. If you don't like that objective individuals have had it with the incompetence of Middletown, then leave, Take that 4.28 GPA and leave the city. Quit having others give you the AP class, the violin instruction, pay for it yourself in a private school. 20% of the kids drop out, and this levy does nothing for them or making a CI and Excellent. You idiots bash anyone that doesn't agree with you. Its not debate, its argument. You reflect Middletown, not the thinkers in West Chester and Springboro, that organize and demand better results with less. By the way, you idiots, Franklin graduated a 4.95 GPA student about 5 years ago, both parents non college educated, and pulled a 20 on the ACT. Fenwicj averages a 25, MIVS a 28. And Smartman, its DOUBT not DOUGHT. I make alot of fast typing errors, but having a 4.28 stduent in the family, you should have command of the language."
 
Why did I stay- simple. To give my kids the right to go K-12 in one school, without a relocation. I have five generations of teachers in Middletown and a father in law who gave 40 + years to the city, but that doesn't mean I don't see the mess that has been caused. Its nothing but a city of lifers. No new migration of homeowners, and this levy will do absolutely nothing to raise performance. The city gets what it deserves- unthinking people who are well adapt to complacency. Its what ruined the city and the schools, but you still haven't figured it out.    


Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 12:30pm
[QUOTE=acclaro]spider, I didn't vote yesterday, and would not have voted for CC. 
 
Acclaro - if you did not vote yesterday - you have no right to complain.
 
My daughter also has a 4.0 GPA at Middletownas a freshman, and I see what she does.  There are always going to be good and bad at every school.  But there is no reason to go on like you have making it sound like any kid that goes to Middletown is a failure.  I have nieces and nephews that have received scholarships based on their GPA at Middletown.  I also graduated from  a private school - that does not make someone a better person or guarentee a better score on a test.  
 
The kids in Middletown need to see the parents get involved in their kids academics.  I know alot of kids that have great support and do well.  However with the amount of Sec 8 in Middletown - you tend to see that their are a lot of students that do not have the same support.  But that does not mean that you have any right to downgrade all the kids that are in that school. 
 


Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 12:43pm
Bobbie, your logic and comment is flawed. I did not vote as I knew the levy would pass. You are also flawed what the levy was about. It is not about getting standards up, but protecting the AP, extra curricular programs for the top 10%. The drop rate has been 20% for years, and the levy will do nothing to improve performance. The focus is on the 1) sports program 2) extra-curricular activities including AP. You made the distinction of section 8- how will that continuation and increase in numbers positively affect the school? It won't. And the irony of your commentary is its exactly the rationale the school district has been using for its failure- the lower demographics you state they don't get the support. So the cycle continues, as the two are intertwined. You also missed my other point---there are bright kids in every school district in the US. We aren't debating the top 10%, which is pretty easy to obtain in MHS, didn't AJ Smith pull a 3.76 and why is he not in college? The debate is the other 90% which are impacting the CI rating. That's what the issue is, but the focus is really on the AP classes, sports, and protecting union wages. That's ALL this levy was about. Nothing more, nothing less.  


Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 1:38pm
Acclaro - I really do not know what school you went to - but you can not comprehend what you read.  My point had nothing to do with the levy.  My point was to you, about dismissing everyone because of bad.  That is not the case.  You basically said that if you went to Middletown your 4.0 was really only worth 3, and that is how colleges perceive it.  Bring out your proof of this statement (not your assumptions) then we can battle points here.  You have no right to dismiss these kids that have  work hard. 
 
As for I did not vote because I knew it would pass.  This really shows ignorance beyond belief.  You can stand up for what you think here on this forum - but you will not take the time to stand up an vote for what you believe.  What is that teaching your kids.  That their voice does not matter. 
 
I think you are the one that is flawed.


Posted By: Hermes
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 1:53pm
Gees...I'm always a day late and a dollar short.
 
Everyone could have voted the way I did, straight democrat (and I'm a registered republican) and thats another argument altogether.
 
acclaro...I wish you had voted but I understand why you didn't. My moto, "Just Say NO !!" (special thanks to Nancy Reagan) If the echelon want it I say no, if they don't want it I say yes.
 
Did my vote even count since they didn't ask me to sign a party pledge statement ? Ermm


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Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 1:57pm
Bobbie, I do not comprehend your point, and I'm not certain you do as well. For voting- I have never missed a vote in my life; I knew 1) the levy would pass- read my posts a month ago saying so 2) I knew who would party primaries. Therefore, there was no value in voting. The next vote to be passed will be the 2.25% tax increase, that will pass, maybe they'll ease it just to 2.0%. As for proof, 96% of Fenwick kids go to colege, 98% of MVS kids go to college. Neither has a dropout rate. Of those who go to college, >80% graduate, and with a 3.0 GPA or better. How many 3.75 GPA MHS grads 1) graduate from college. You miss the point of debate, and I don't have time to argue. As for the schools that know the difference at the admissions ofice level between MHS and a college prep school, try calling Williams College, Middleberry, Swathmore, Davidson, The University of the South, Furman, Lake Forest College, Rice, Dule, Vandy, Princeton, Washington and Lee, Wahsington University (to name a few). Sorry Bobbie, you argue, I debate. Point made- levy was about the top 10% keeping extra curricular activities to be competitive, not about improving the school for all those attending.   


Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 2:47pm
hey---acclaro is just another piece of what makes this site the place to be!
He has a lot of good concepts and insight.
Don't always agree with each other, however we don't have to always agree.
We can learn a lot more from our "adversaries" and differing opinions than we can from our similar-thinking friends.
 
Acclaro ain't going anywhere any time anyway because he won't be able to sell his home either.
He should probably buy a fire sale home on Curryer or Shadow Hill.
 
Come on--the levy passed.
Appreciate the majority thinking, and make friends with everone who lost as a part of the minority.
Now is the time to win them over instead of driving a stake through them.
Besides--all that happened was a renewal levy was passed.
Discipline has not improved, test scores have not improved, and public opinion is no longer needed by school admin. I spent time with them. If you REALLY think that they are wide open to differing outside views on THEIR system--think again. The gun is now to THEIR heads. Produce quickly or be quickly replaced.
The public has come through--now time for the system to follow through on their end of the situation.
 
A teacher pay freeze should only be the beginning of long range changes.
Benefit changes should be the trade-off for any future pay rate changes, which should also be determined by drastically improved results.


Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 3:11pm
sj, keep me advised if you know of a good fire sale on Thorn Hill. Listen, I'm not upset at all on the levy, as we said, this was predicatbble, we know that. I've got nieces and nephews that teach. I was simply advocating the business and rationale point of view, not the emotional "Middle Pride" thing. No harm, no foul. The beast feasts. Next comes the 2.25% increase. All the pieces together; at large council, apathy among the voters, "bundling of votes". It will pass easily. Memo to Ms. Gilleland---Get the 2.25% on the November ballot. It will pass easily. Heck, the library levy passed with flying colors. No surprises on my end. sj, tell John to let me know when a nice fire sale comes up on Thorn Hill. A few on DaVinci or maybe the one next to Laura could be bought for $225,000. BTW, Marty Stewwart wil be great at MUM this week!  


Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 3:31pm
I wonder if the pay freeze will actually occur since it sounded like a simple verbal agreement.  Probably followed by a wink wink and promise to make up for it with a 6% raise in year 2.


Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 4:12pm
lol acclaro--Marty Stuart should be excellent, though not creating much buzz.
Not my thing, but might go.
Am working with the new man taking over the MU-M series next year.
Same person who runs the enormously popular MU-H series.
First two shows so far will be Doc Watson and Arlo Guthrie.
Hoping to liven it up with a few things from this century to follow:
Blues?
DEVO?
Bela Fleck?
Chris Thile?
What would everyone like?
 
if I ever move, it would probably be to another spot on my same street.
One place on Shadow Hill that I like(nfs), and two on Curryer.
A friend just bought a fire sale home on Da Vinci.


Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 4:47pm
sj, the house on the corner is pretty nice (Curryer). I know he started around $375 Kk 5 years ago, and is probably around $240KK, but right on WWGC as you know. I like the white one one the left near Pratt's old place. Did the saltbox on DaVinci finally sell (right side? I'm waiting on Dr. Scott's place, with the tennis court built in. Strange layout (narrow, but a nice home. 


Posted By: Hermes
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 5:59pm
Spider - you missed something when you said "come on-the levy passed" this was 2, and I repeat,2 levies bundled into one. I think a lot of people over looked that point. Had it been one levy renewal it probably would not have been a big deal, but 2 in one ?
 
And Bill I agree with you, I think the pay freeze was a gimick and I think I stated that once. The tactic there would be to agree with it until fall then pass out a really nice raise and a really nice bonus to the new super.
 
We only need to look at Lakota and see that things are difficult for everyone. Lakota voted it down because they knew they couldn't afford it, and if they can't afford it neither can we. (yes I know the setup there was different than here)
 
Like a lot of people in the Lakota district said, "these levies have to stop or at least be brought under control".


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Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 7:18pm
Hermes--I had dinner at Dewey's and dessert at Graeter's in West Chester last night.
Place was packed and traffic was at a standstill.
If that is "having it tough", then we are having it "REALLY TOUGH" around here.
 
I understand your thinking and "feel your pain".
I hope that the annual 3% raise pattern is broken.
If I was wrong on this issue, I will say so, and work harder to make it right somehow.
You didn't see or hear about me out partying and celebrating at any victory party.
Just a short break from "starving the beast" and please don't think that my contradiction doesn't bother me.
I came out of it all thinking that the BOE and new super actually will listen more than the Admin.


Posted By: Pat
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 2:21am
Acclaro, you're too easy to debate...you shoot holes in your own arguement and make my point!
 
1.APclasses-do u even know what they are?  How much do they cost the district?
 
2.Twenty yrs. ago u predicted M-town's demise and u want outta here and your rationale for staying is so u're kids could stay in the same place for K-12.  Thought they went to private school.  So why did you stay?
Let's see 20 yrs. ago and your kids are in college or graduated..let's do the math..thought u took statsIII and calclll...but guess u don't know basic math!  And ur thinking of buying another house here. 
save yourself.  WC or Springboro would love another resident.  So what if it takes 10 yrs. to sell the house. Quality of life is more important and u are one unhappy person with a self esteem problem.
 
3. Fenwick, Miami Valley= higher ACT/SAT scores.  Wlhy?  Going to school with docs, CEO's kids...hmmmm, so socioeconomics does matter.  Glad u saw the light
 
4.  A self-proclaimed expert on the  schools, politics, the city...hey, u've got all the answers.  M-town needs nothing more than u!
 
5.  Oh, and by the way, my child got accepted at 3 of the schools on ur great school list and in their honors programs,too, along with their top academic scholarship offers!
 
6.  Do u have any idea why the private schools have a higher college acceptance and college graduation rate?  And, no it is not what u have stated previously.
 
7.  Rule #1 if ur gonna debate, know ur subject inside out and clearly by reading ur posts u give urself away!
 
8.  Sorry bud, M-town is too full of  people like you, the know-it-all types and self-proclaimed experts.  Think about putting the 'ol house up for sale.  5 yrs or 10 yrs to sell and take a little loss on it...sure u don't need the proceeds to buy ur next house in your nirvana WC or Springboro.  U'll be a lot happier!!!
 
9.  You can't even get the MHS dropout rate correct!
 
10. Smartman, Bobbie and myself have kids at MHS and know the quality education they receive there, are involved in our kid's education and frequent the school regularly.
 
And, then there is you...........
 
 Who knows when u've been in MHS,  I'm sure it's beneath you,but somehow magically u know exactly what goes on there and what the problems and solutions are....................
 
Very interesting, very, very interesting................................................................................................................................................................................


Posted By: Smartman
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 5:15am
My question is, My daughter get info from all the schools on acclaro's elite list except 1. acclaro can you tell us where Dule University is?


Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 11:30am
I DOUGHT (lol) IT is in Raleigh, its in Durham SM. They require a 30 or above; others need not apply- same with Vandy.
Clown


Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 12:19pm
So what is your connection to know that these schools are not excepting Middletown students, or are saying they are less qualified as a 4.0? 


Posted By: Dead man walkin'
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 1:13pm
Originally posted by spiderjohn spiderjohn wrote:

I doubt that Mr. Allen will be chosen, despite him being a very nice/cool guy(don't y'all love it when I say that?). We don't need him quickly rolling over to support the dark side, which I would expect him to do. Mr.Barge probably won't get it either because of his leanings the other direction. I doubt that Mr.Hoffman is that interest, but why would he apply?
Maybe the other fellow is worth a look--remember it will take 4 votes to get the job, so someone is going to have to jump ship. Actually I prefer the 6-member Council, which requiares a clear 4-2 majority to pass anything. Anyone who watches or attends the sessions of the current goup can detect the obvious-------
these people actually don't like each other. And the Admin and citizens are being held hostage.

"4 seek open 1st Ward seat” the headline in The Journal sez.

No one will actually get a real look.  The so-called "movers-and-shakers" have already decided who they want, since their preferred puppet (the widow of a councilman) delined.
 
If the truth be known, who actually did “seek” the seat, and who did the local power brokers themselves seek out to “install” into the seat? Who was “sought out” but had the integrity to refuse to take part in this fraud? Will that person (who had the integrity to refuse their pressure to “volunteer”) have enough character to “blow the roof” off this fraud, Mr. SB?

How about it, AJ, Josh and ASJ? They need at least ONE of your votes to pull off this possibly felonious con job. Which one of you will sell out?



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"Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil" (Psalm 23)



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