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Topic: Historic code 1210
Posted By: Mike_Presta
Subject: Historic code 1210
Date Posted: Sep 07 2010 at 6:24pm
HOORAY FOR MR. LAUBACH!!!
 
For pointing out the hypocrisy  of proposed code 1210 (and the local "history buffs") regarding the HISTORIC Pioneer Cemetery!!!


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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012



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Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Sep 07 2010 at 7:05pm
HOORAY FOR MR. LAUBACH!!!
For voting AGAINST the business and commerce-killing "Main Street Program"!!!

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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012


Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Sep 07 2010 at 7:17pm
Mr. Laubach Clap.   I hope those of you who were ready to throw Mr. Laubach under the Bus during the Pendleton Issue take note of todays meeting.Thumbs%20Up


Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Sep 07 2010 at 7:27pm
Pacman: Agreed!!!
 
But a pox on the five council members who pulled the sneaky maneuver of adding this piece of legislation to the agenda tonight without notice, and thereby avoiding any possible dissent from the citizenry.
 
It should also be pointed out that this legislation can be applied to ANY property in the city by the new Historic commission, and is NOT limited to property in the historic districts!!!


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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012


Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Sep 07 2010 at 7:39pm
Below is a copy of an email that I sent to each and every member of Council last week regarding this misguided legislation:
 

Lady and Gentlemen of Council:

As I wrote previously, I am deeply concerned with the proposed new City Ordinance 1210 concerning the "Historic Commission".

In a nutshell, I believe that the new ordinance is poorly written, vague in its duties and definitions, Draconian in nature, overly severe in its penalties, unconstitutional, misleading in its true intentions, and improper under our City Charter.

I have attached for your consideration, a copy of the ordinance, in MicroSoft Works word processor format, with my many comments interspersed in indented paragraphs within the ordinance. I beg your attention to, and consideration of, these comments.

I strongly urge you not only to vote "NO" on approving this new ordinance 1210, but also to begin the process of revoking the existing Ordinance 1210.

Thank you in advance for your kind time and attention to this matter.

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CHAPTER 1210

HISTORIC PRESERVATION

1210.01 PURPOSE AND INTENT

City Council hereby declares as a matter of public policy that the protection, enhancement, and perpetuation of Landmarks and Historic Districts is necessary to promote the economic, cultural, educational and general welfare of the public.

The protection, enhancement, and perpetuation of Landmarks and Historic Districts is NOT “necessary” to promote the economic, cultural, educational and general welfare of the public. These things may be “desirable” in the subjective view of many people, including myself, but they are not “necessary”! If that were an absolute truth, then no new community could ever promote “economic, cultural, educational and general welfare” since they would not have the “landmarks and historic districts” that were “necessary” to do so. This statement is simply false, and can be proven to be false!

Inasmuch as the identity of a people is founded on its past, and inasmuch as the City of Middletown has many significant historic, architectural, and cultural resources which reflects its heritage, this act is intended to:

(a) Protect and enhance the Historic Landmarks and Historic Districts which represent distinctive elements of Middletown’s historic, architectural, and cultural heritage;

(b) Foster civic pride in the accomplishments of the community in the past;

(c) Stabilize and improve property values of designated Landmarks and Districts;

Isn’t the real purpose of this entire piece of legislation “to stabilize and improve the property values for the property owners in or near these districts” which are, for the most part, in transitional neighborhoods, and to impose their will and subjective perceptions upon the rest of the citizenry?

(d) Protect and enhance Middletown’s attractiveness to visitors and the support and stimulus to the economy thereby provided;

(e) Insure the harmonious, orderly, and efficient growth and development of Middletown; and

This is an entirely subjective observations and has no place in a law! In fact, this is true of most of this section 1201.01!!! How can we base a law on a completely subjective “purpose and intent???

(f) Provide a review process for the continued preservation and protection of Middletown’s historic resources.

1210.02 DEFINITIONS

(a) Alteration – Any act or process that changes one or more of the exterior architectural features of a building or structure, including, but not limited to the erection, construction, reconstruction, or removal of the building or structure.

(b) Addition – Any act or process that changes one or more of the exterior architectural features of a building or structure by adding to, joining with or increasing the size or capacity of the building or structure.

(c) Applicant – Any person, association, partnership or corporation who or which applies for a Certificate of Appropriateness in order to undertake the erection, construction, reconstruction, or removal of the building or structure.

(d) Building – For purposes of this chapter, any structure created for the support, shelter, or enclosure of persons, animals, or property of any kind and which is permanently affixed to the land.

(e) Certificate of Appropriateness – A certificate issued by the Historic Commission indicating that a proposed change, alteration, addition or demolition of a historic building or structure within a Historic Landmark or Historic District is in accordance with the provisions of this chapter and the adopted design guidelines.

Mark my words: They will try to use this to get INSIDE private homes!!! This is a dangerously slippery slope!!! Also, what EXACTLY are the “adopted design guidelines”??? Are these the terribly expensive and unnecessary “Heritage” specifications???

(f) Change – Any alteration, addition, demolition, removal or construction involving any property subject to the provisions of this chapter.

(g) Construction – The act of constructing an addition to an existing structure or the erection of a new principal or accessory structure on a lot or property subject to the provisions of this chapter.

(h) Demolition – Any act or process that destroys in part or in whole any building or structure.

(i) Historic Commission – The board or commission established under the provisions of this chapter.

(j) Historic District – Any area designated by ordinance of the city which may contain within definable geographical boundaries, buildings, structures, or sites of historic, architectural or archaeological significance.

(k) Historic Landmark – Any individual site designated by ordinance which contains within definable geographical boundaries, buildings, structures, or sites of historic, architectural or archaeological significance.

(l) Historic Structure – Any building or structure which has historic, architectural, or archaeological significance and has been designated according to the provision of this chapter. This designation is based on the significance of a property to the history, architectural, archaeology or culture of the community, state or nation. It may be achieved in several ways:

(1) Association with broad patterns of our history, events, or activities

(2) Association with important persons

(3) Distinctive physical characteristics of design, construction, workmanship or form

(4) Potential to yield information important in history or pre-history.

These parameters are absolutely and insanely too broad and too subjective!!! Please read it! Associated??? Potential??? This includes virtually ANYTHING they want it to include and should be rejected summarily!!!

(m) Owner – the owner or owners of record of a Historic Landmark or property contained within a Historic District.

(n) Preservation – The act or process of applying measures necessary to sustain and retain the original historic form, integrity and materials of a historic property.

(o) Preservation Guidelines – Those standards found in the current issue of the publication “Historic Preservation Plan” of the City of Middletown as adopted by the Historic Commission.

What is and where is this “plan”??? It would now be included by reference into our codified ordinances!!! Does anyone know for certain what we are getting into? What other documents does this “plan” incorporate by reference??

(p) Reconstruction – the act or process of depicting, by means of new construction, the form, features, and detailing of a non-surviving site, landscape, building, structure or object for the purpose of replicating its appearance at a specific period of time and in its historic location.

(q) Rehabilitation – The act or process of making possible a compatible use for a property through repair, alteration, and addition while preserving those portions or features which convey its historic, cultural, or architectural values.

(r) Restoration – The act or process of accurately depicting the form, features, and character of a property as it appeared at a particular period of time by means of the removal of features from other periods in its history and the reconstruction of missing features from the restoration period. The limited and sensitive upgrading of mechanical, electrical, and plumbing systems and

other code-related work to make properties functional is appropriate within a restoration project.

1210.03 HISTORIC COMMISSION

(a) Establishment and Composition.

(1) In order to execute the purposes declared in this chapter, there is hereby created a commission to be known as the Historic Commission for the City of Middletown.

(A) The Historic Commission shall consist of a minimum of eight members,

all residents of the City, and every attempt shall be made to include the following areas of expertise:

(i) A registered architect;

(ii) A professional landscape architect, historian, archaeologist, or city planner;

(iii) A person whose education and experience qualify him or her in building construction;

(iv) A member of the Middletown Historical Society.

(v) An attorney;

(vi) Electors of the City: (a) one elector who neither resides nor owns property in a designated historic district or a zoning district which requires approval of the Council for alterations and/or modifications; and, (b) one elector from each historic district or zoning district which requires approval of this Council for

alterations and/or modifications, who shall reside or own property in such district.

There should be a MINIMUM of an EQUAL number from outside historic districts and zones. There are what, FOUR historic districts and zones??

(vii) A member of the Planning Commission.

(2) The Historic Preservation Administrator, appointed by the City Manager from the Planning Department, in addition to other duties, shall serve as Secretary to the Historic Commission.

(b) Additional qualifications: All members shall have, to the greatest extent practical, interest and proficiency in historic preservation, reconstruction, rehabilitation and restoration.

What about somebody just to look out for the citizenry??? An “ombudsman” type person??

(c) Appointment and Terms. Historic Commission members shall serve for a term of four years. Terms shall be staggered with at least two members having expiring terms each year. Historic Commission members shall serve without compensation.

(d) Organization. The Historic Commission chair and vice-chair shall be elected from and by the members at the first meeting of each calendar year. A simple majority of members shall constitute a quorum for all meetings.

(e) General Powers and Duties. The Historic Commission shall have the following powers and duties, in addition to those otherwise specified:

(1) The Historic Commission shall conduct a continuous survey of all areas, places, structures, works of art, or similar objects in the City which the Commission has reason to believe are or will be eligible for designation as historic sites, landmarks or districts.

This is entirely to broad and subjective!!! Now “all” areas are included as are “works of art”!! So, are we to assume that all “history buffs” that will be appointed to this commission will also be qualified “art critics”??? Aren’t we getting into some pretty specialized areas here??? And “similar objects”??? What in the world are “similar objects“??? This is a LAW, and here we are, under “powers and duties” giving them control over “works of art and SIMILAR OBJECTS”!!! Isn’t “art” in the eye of the beholder??? This could be ANYTHING!!! This is a TERRIBLE law, and subject to all sorts of abuse!!!

(2) The Commission shall work for the continuing education of the residents of the City in regard to the archaeological, historical, and architectural heritage of the City and the historic sites and historic districts designated under the provisions of this chapter. It shall keep a register of all historic sites and historic districts.

(3) The Commission shall provide a public forum for the review of nominations of

areas, places, structures, works of art, landmarks or similar objects within the City to the National Register of Historic Places of the U.S. Department of the Interior. Review shall include the relationship of the proposed nomination to the Historic Preservation Plan of the City and any other consideration which may be relevant to the proposed nomination. Such nominations may be generated from the Commission or from any other source.

(4) Approve or disapprove Certificates of Appropriateness in accordance with the provisions of this ordinance.

(5) Adopt and periodically modify the Historic Preservation Plan as the general

policy for designation of Historic Landmarks and Historic Districts and for the issuance or denial of Certificates of Appropriateness.

1210.04 HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADMINISTRATOR

(a) The City Manager shall appoint a Historic Preservation Administrator from within the Planning Department to serve in addition to other duties.

(b) The Administrator shall enforce the regulations of this chapter in accordance with the administrative provisions herein.

(c) The Administrator shall issue Certificates of Appropriateness in accordance with requirements set forth in this chapter and shall take any other action authorized by this chapter to insure compliance with, or prevent violation of, its provisions.

1210.05 DESIGNATION OF A HISTORIC LANDMARK OR HISTORIC DISTRICT

(a) Criteria. In considering any area, place, structure, work of art or similar object in the City as a historic site or historic district, the Historic Commission shall apply the following criteria:

(1) The structure or site's character, value or significance as part of the

development of the City, the State or the United States;

(2) Its location as a site of a significant historic event;

(3) Its identification with a person who significantly contributed to the

development of the City;

(4) Its embodiment of distinguishing characteristics of an architectural style or

type;

(5) Its exemplification of the cultural, economic, social or political heritage of

the City;

(6) Its relationship to other distinctive areas or structures designated for

preservation;

(7) Its unique location or singular physical characteristic representing an

established and familiar feature of the City; and

This is entirely too broad!! EVERY single point in the city, indeed in the universe, is, in fact a “unique location” and should not qualify it for any special designation! Remember, this is “legislation”. This is making these words a “LAW”! To allow a group who has a self-proclaimed “interest and proficiency in historic preservation, reconstruction, rehabilitation and restoration” to declare each and every “point” in the city a “historic landmark” simply because it is a “unique location” will be to invite graft, corruption, and underhanded deal-making and extortion throughout the city.

(8) Its inclusion of prehistoric and/or historic archaeological sites or other

important representations of previous cultures.

1210.06 PROCEDURES FOR DESIGNATING HISTORIC LANDMARKS AND

HISTORIC DISTRICTS

The Historic Commission shall propose designations of any area, place, structure, work of art or similar object in the City as a historic site or historic district, and shall thereupon take the following actions:

(a) Recommendations Required. The Historic Commission shall advise the Planning Director of the proposed designation and secure from the Director a recommendation with respect to the relationship of the proposed designation to the Master Plan of the City and the Historic Preservation Plan. The Planning Director shall give an opinion as to the effect of the proposed designation upon the surrounding neighborhood and an opinion and recommendation as to any other planning consideration which may be relevant to the proposed designation,

together with a recommendation of approval, rejection or modification of the proposed designation. Such recommendation shall be submitted in written form by the Historic Commission, along with its recommendation concerning the proposed designation.

PLEASE read this!!! It is pure gobbledygook. The Commission “advises” and “proposes” to the Planning director (PD) who then “recommends” an “opinion” and another “opinion” and “recommendation” together with a “recommendation” of a “proposal”. After that, (finally) a written “recommendation” is submitted (but to whom???) by the commission along with another “recommendation”??? And someone proposes to enact THIS as a LAW??? PLEASE!!!

(b) Notification of Owner and Notice of Public Hearing.

(1) The Historic Commission shall then notify the owner of such property of

the proposed designation. Whenever possible, the Commission shall secure the

owner's written consent for submittal of the proposed designation, together with

its recommendation of findings of fact.

Whenever possible??? Are we still in America??? Please consider the following copied exactly from the Ohio Constitution, § 1.19 Inviolability of private property (1851):

“Private property shall ever be held inviolate…”

(2) In the event that such owner refuses or declines to give his written consent

to the proposed designation, the Historic Commission shall schedule a public

hearing on the proposed designation, setting forth a date, time and place and

causing written notice to be given by certified mail to the owner or any person

having a legal interest of record in such property being proposed for designation.

The Commission shall cause a legal notice to be published in a newspaper of

general circulation in the City ten days prior to the hearing, setting forth the

nature of the hearing, the property involved, and the date, time and place of the

scheduled public hearing.

(c) Conduct of Hearing and Notification of Decision. The Historic Commission shall conduct the public hearing as provided and shall provide an opportunity for all interested parties to express their opinions under such rules as the Commission shall adopt for the purpose of governing the proceedings of the hearings.

So, what does this mean?? The “commission” can allow this “in favor” of their view to speak for an hour each, but opponents just 30 seconds??? Will opponents be made to use a foreign language??? Will commissioners be allowed to shoot rubber bands at the opponents as they speak??? Can the commissioners interrupt at will??? Can opponents be charged a fee to speak??

You will be creating a commission that creates its own rules and pretty much does as it pleases throughout the city!!!

The Commission shall determine if any or all of the criteria listed in Section 1210.05 have been met.

Well, EVERY single piece of property in the city has both a “relationship to other distinctive areas” (1210.05(6)) and a “unique location” (1210.05(7)), so every piece of property in the city meets at least two of “the criteria”!! Doesn’t that make this a mere formality which will result in a decision in the commission’s favor in each and every case??? This is absurd!!!

The Commission shall then make a decision regarding the proposed designation, in writing, within thirty days after the initial hearing date and shall notify the owner or any person having a legal interest in such property, as well as other interested parties who request a copy. The Commission shall state in its recommendation findings of fact that constitute the basis for its decision and shall transmit such recommendation concerning the proposed designation to the Middletown City Council.

(d) Action of City Council. The City Council shall give due consideration to the

findings and recommendations of the Historic Commission, as well as such views as may have been expressed by persons participating in the public hearing before the Commission, in addition to the recommendation of the Planning Department, in making its determination with respect to

the proposed designation of any areas, places, structures, works of art or similar objects as historic sites or historic districts. The City Council may, at its discretion, hold public hearings on any such proposed designation, whether such designation is proposed with the consent of the owner or after public hearings before the Commission. The City Council may then designate by

ordinance areas, places, structures, works of art or similar objects as historic sites or historic districts.

(e) Notification of Designation. As soon as is reasonably possible, the Historic

Commission shall notify the Chief Building Official of the official designation. The Commission shall also send by certified mail a certified copy of the designation ordinance to the owner and

any person having a legal interest in such property.

(f) Record of Designation. The Historic Commission shall direct the Law Director to cause a record of such designation to be filed with the County Recorder.

1210.07 CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS

(a) Certificate of Appropriateness Required. No person shall carry out any exterior alteration, restoration, reconstruction, demolition, new construction or moving of a Historic Landmark or property within a Historic District, nor shall any person make any material change in appearance of such property, its light fixtures, signs, awnings, windows, siding, roof, doors, shutters, sidewalks, fences, walls, retaining walls, steps, paving, or other exterior elements which

affect the appearance and cohesiveness of the Historic Landmark or Historic District, without first obtaining a Certificate of Appropriateness from the Historic Commission. No permits for zoning, building or demolition shall be issued without first obtaining a Certificate of Appropriateness.

Don’t we already have a City DEPARTMENT and a city BOARD for these matters??? Through exactly how many hoops must one jump in this ‘business friendly” city??? This seems to be just one more attempt to prohibit businesses (other than arts and crafts) in Middletown!!!

Ordinary repair and maintenance of a building or structure which does not change or alter the appearance of the building or structure will not require a Certificate of Appropriateness. A Certificate of Appropriateness is not required for interior modifications to a building or structure that are not visible from the exterior of the building or structure unless otherwise prohibited in

section 1210.10(a)(6).

Taken literally, this includes anything that is visible through the doors and windows of a structure. This includes nearly the ENTIRE interior of most homes in Middletown. I told you they would be getting INSIDE our private homes!!!

(b) Criteria for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness. In considering an

application for a Certificate of Appropriateness the Historic Commission shall apply the following criteria:

(1) Properties which contribute to the character of the Historic District shall

be retained, with their historic architectural features intact and altered as little as

possible;

(2) Any alteration of an existing property shall be compatible with its historic

character, as well as with the surrounding district;

(3) New construction shall be compatible with the district in which it is

located. In determining compatibility the Historic Commission shall consider the

following:

(4) The general design, character, and appropriateness to the property of the

proposed alteration or new construction;

(5) The scale of the proposed alteration of new construction in relation to the

property itself, surrounding properties, and the neighborhood;

(6) The texture, materials, and color and their relation to similar features of

other properties in the neighborhood;

(7) The visual compatibility with surrounding properties, including proportion

of the properties façade, roof shape, and the rhythm of spacing of properties on

streets, including setback; and

(8) The importance of historic, architectural, or other features to the significance of the property.

1210.08 CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION PROCEDURE

(a) Submission of Application. Applications for a Certificate of Appropriateness shall be submitted to the Historic Preservation Administrator in a form specified by the Administrator. Plans shall include detailed and accurate designs, elevations, photos of the property, material samples, specifications and other related material.

Please read this carefully!!! This is an unusual and cumbersome burden to place upon property owners. It adds to the TIME and expense of enlarging or updating what may be YOUR property!!!

 

(b) Review of Application. Upon receiving a complete application for a Certificate of Appropriateness, the Historic Preservation Administrator shall transmit copies of the application to the Historic Commission and to abutting property owners. Within 14 days of receipt of the application by the Commission, the Commission shall convene to consider the approval of the request. Abutting property owners will also be notified regarding the time and place of the meeting.

Now we are getting to the crux of this entire matter!!! IF this ordinance, and the Commission, is all about history and historical appropriateness, why should the adjoining property owners be concerned or have a say in the matter??? Either the exterior alteration, restoration, reconstruction, demolition, new construction or moving of the structure is historically appropriate, or it is not!!! That is what this commission claims to be judging. The abutting property owners OPINIONS should make no difference. This is not supposed to be a zoning hearing, or any other hearing of any sort!!! So what IS this ordinance all about??? Is it “historical appropriateness”??? Or is it neighborhood cliques trying to “rule the roost” and discriminate against those who may not, in their view, “fit in”???

(c) Action by Historic Commission.

(1) The Historic Commission shall take action to approve, deny, or approve with

modifications within 45 days of receiving the application. The Commission may hold a public hearing regarding the application if adjoining properties are affected by the proposed alterations. All decisions of the Commission shall be in writing and the findings and determinations of the Commission to approve, deny or approve with modifications along with the reasons for said decision shall be reflected in the minutes of the meeting. Meeting minutes shall be filed with the Clerk of City Council. Notice shall be sent to the applicant also outlining the basis for the decision.

(2) Effect of Inaction. If no action is taken by the Historic Commission on an

application for a Certificate of Appropriateness with 60 days after receiving the

application, the Certificate shall be deemed issued.

(d) Validity of Certificate. Certificates of Appropriateness shall be valid for one year after which time the owner must re-apply if he/she still wishes to undertake work on the property.

1210.09 HARDSHIP CRITERIA AND PROCEDURE

(a) Application for Demolition. An applicant whose Certificate of Appropriateness for a proposed demolition has been denied may apply for relief on the grounds of hardship. In order to prove the existence of hardship, the applicant must establish that:

(1) The property is incapable of earning a reasonable return, regardless of whether that return represents the most profitable return possible; and

It is entirely unconstitutional and, in practice, impossible for this body to decide what might be “the most profitable return possible” for any particular property. This certainly smacks of the appearance of attempting to force the sale of properties at fire sale prices to investors more friendly with members of the Commission!!! This is another great argument not only AGAINST this ordinance, but FOR the abolishment of the present Commission on Landmarks and Historic Structures.

(2) The property cannot be adapted for any other use, whether by the current owner or by a purchaser, which would result in a reasonable return; and

It is entirely unconstitutional and, in practice, impossible for this body to decide what might be “a reasonable return” for any particular property. This certainly smacks of the appearance of attempting to force the sale of properties at fire sale prices to investors more friendly with members of the Commission!!! In fact, the ordinance in this case even mentions “a purchaser!!! This is entirely inappropriate, certainly unconstitutional, and is another great argument not only AGAINST this ordinance, but FOR the abolishment of the present Commission on Landmarks and Historic Structures.

BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS appointed by City Council have NO BUSINESS getting involved in the profit motives of private property owners!!!

Is the object of this ordinance the appropriateness of historic structures, or the business, property value preservation, and investment strategies of local property owners???

(3) Efforts to find a purchaser interested in acquiring the property and preserving it have failed.

(b) Application for Alteration. An applicant whose Certificate of Appropriateness for a proposed alteration has been denied may apply for relief on the grounds of hardship. In order to prove the existence of hardship the applicant shall establish that the property in incapable of earning a reasonable return regardless of whether that return represents the most profitable return possible.

(c) Hardship Application Procedure.

(1) After receiving written notification for the Historic Commission of the denial of a Certificate of Appropriateness, an applicant may commence the hardship process. No building permit, demolition permit or zoning permit shall be issued unless the Commission makes a finding that a hardship exists.

(2) The applicant must file an application in writing to the Historic Preservation

Administrator outlining the reasons for the hardship request.

(3) The Historic Commission may hold a public hearing on the hardship application at which an opportunity will be provided for proponents and opponents of the application to present their views.

(4) The applicant shall consult in good faith with the Historic Commission, local

preservation groups, and interested parties in a diligent effort to seek an alternative that will result in preservation of the property. The Commission may impose a waiting period not to exceed sixty days in order to seek alternatives prior to making a decision regarding an application for alteration and not to exceed six months for an application for demolition. During the waiting period, the Commission and the applicant shall undertake continuing discussions for the purpose of finding a means to preserve the structure, site or area involved or explore other alternatives for requested alteration of structures.

(5) If the Historic Commission and the applicant cannot agree on a means of

preserving the structure through a demolition hardship appeal, within ninety days after the start of the waiting period, the Historic Preservation Administrator shall request that the Planning Director obtain approval and the Director shall have the authority to order necessary appraisals of the market value of the land and structures, if any, comprising the real estate on which the proposed demolition is to be done. The appraisal shall then be referred to the City Manager who shall, within fifteen days after the designated six-month

waiting period, transmit the application, the appraisals, his recommendation relative to the advisability of immediately purchasing such real estate and the status of the fund from which the purchase money is to be appropriated, to the City Council.

So, how long, in total, must someone with a willing buyer be made to wait while the bureaucracy grinds on before a transaction can be completed??? Do any of you think a property sales contract can be had with that long of a contingency and is that fair to private property owners??? Do any of you realize how drastically business conditions can change in SEVEN MONTHS??? Why is the City considering getting back into the real estate business, and worse yet, the “historic property” real estate business???

Will this ordinance be referenced as “The Sorg Mansion Ordinance”???

 

 

(6) Within twenty days of the receipt of the application and the report of the City

Manager, the City Council shall determine whether or not the immediate acquisition of such property is in the best interest of the public. In the event of an affirmative decision, the City Council shall direct the City Manager to take the necessary steps for immediate acquisition. In the event of a negative decision, the City Council shall either direct the Issuance of a Certificate of appropriateness, in accordance with applicable law, or, on the basis of the public's best interest, deny the Certificate.

(7) All decisions of the Historic Commission shall be in writing. A copy shall be sent to the applicant and be filed with the Clerk of City Council. The Commission decision shall state the reasons for granting or denying the hardship application. If the application is granted, the Commission shall approve only such work as to alleviate the hardship.

So, now this will also be the “Historic Commission and Board of Hardships”???

1210.10 MINIMUM MAINTENANCE STANDARDS

(a) Maintenance. Nothing in this ordinance shall be construed to prevent the ordinary repair and maintenance of any exterior architectural feature of a Historic Landmark or Historic District property which does not involve a change in design, material, color, or outward appearance.

Hold the phone!!! Didn’t Mr. Kohler state that there was NO PROHIBITION on colors??? I guess we don’t speak the same language!!!

No owner or person with an interest in real property designated as a Historic Landmark or property

within a Historic District shall permit the property to fall into a serious state of disrepair so as to result in the deterioration of any exterior architectural feature which would, in the judgment of the Historic Commission,

Once again, this is very broad and subjective!!!

produce a detrimental effect upon the character of the Historic Landmark or Historic District as a whole or the life or character of the property itself. Examples of such deterioration include:

(1) Deterioration of exterior walls or other vertical supports;

(2) Deterioration of roofs or other horizontal members;

(3) Deterioration of exterior chimneys;

(4) Deterioration of exterior stucco, siding, trim, brick, stone or mortar;

(5) Ineffective waterproofing of exterior walls, roofs, roof drainage systems,

foundations, including broken or damaged windows and doors;

(6) The permanent removal of interior architectural features or fixtures to the extent that the value of the property is diminished to make rehabilitation or restoration financially infeasible;

(7) The accumulation of rubbish and debris;

(8) Any condition as to cause fire or explosion or to provide a ready source of fuel to augment the spread or intensity of fire or explosion arising from any cause;

(9) Failure to adequately secure a building or structure to prevent vandalism or

destruction of a property; and

Here is a good example!!! The Mayor’s property was recently vandalized and damaged. That is a fact. On his part, was there a “failure to adequately secure a building”??? Of course not, but actually, that is a purely subjective judgment call, and if he was someone “out of favor” with this particular group, it could have gone the other way. Of course, with this ordinance, there is no venue for APPEAL!!!

(10) Inadequate maintenance of yards and gardens as to detract from the

aesthetic qualities of the area, site or structure and its adjacent surroundings.

(b) Inspection of and Notice to Repair Sub-standard Buildings or Structures. The Historic Commission shall direct the Historic Preservation Administrator, in conjunction with the Chief Building Official, to investigate and inspect, within thirty days after initial notification, any building which in its opinion may be a substandard historic building, and after inspection the Administrator shall relay his findings to the Commission. If after inspection it is found that such

building is substandard, the Administrator shall give written notice to the Commission and owner of record or person responsible for the property, or if unable to effect such notice by posting on the premises, stating in what respects the building is substandard, and setting forth the repairs, alterations or improvements to such building required to correct such substandard conditions or preserve the building, and a reasonable period of time in which the required work shall be done. Such notices shall also inform the owner or person responsible that the Administrator's and Chief Building Official’s findings will be subject to the review and hearing before the Commission at a time and place set by the Commission. The Commission shall give written notice to the owner of

record or person responsible thereof of the time, date and place of such hearing and give public notice of the same. Such hearing shall be held not more than thirty days after the issuance of the Administrator's notice.

Who will be responsible for assuring that these standards will be administered evenhandedly??? All of downtown is in a “Historic District” thanks to the folly of this group, and many of the buildings, including city-owned buildings and buildings owned by “friends” of history lovers are being maintained in a “substandard manner” and many have been vandalized. Will these be the first to feel the wrath of this Commission???

1210.11 HEARING ON SUBSTANDARD BUILDINGS OR STRUCTURES

At the hearing referred to in Section 1210.10(b), the Historic Commission shall review the findings and orders of the Historic Preservation Administrator and Chief Building Official and shall determine whether such findings are true and correct within the meaning of this chapter. If the Commission concurs with their findings that the affected structure is substandard, the Commission shall further determine whether the Administrator's orders for corrections are reasonable and necessary to accomplish the purposes of this chapter. The Commission shall have the power in connection with such hearings to administer oaths and

affirmations, examine witnesses and receive such evidence as may be presented on behalf of any party or interest. Based upon such evidence, the Commission shall issue its own order affirming, reversing or modifying the order of the Administrator.

So, the Commission will administer oaths. Have all of the members of the Commission themselves taken the oath of public service???

1210.12 EFFECT OF ORDER OF COMMISSION AND NOTIFICATION

An order of the Historic Commission shall bear the same consequence as if issued by the Historic Preservation Administrator. The findings and orders of the Commission shall be transmitted to the owner or person responsible for the affected building not later than thirty days following the date of the hearing and decision.

This ordinance creates ipso facto public officials of the Historic Commissioners, a “Board of Czars”, so to speak!!! I believe that it takes an amendment to our City Charter to do this. I may be wrong, but, while these people may be “public figures”, these people are NOT “public officials“!!! Their orders CAN NOT carry the weight of law!!!

1210.13 REMEDIES OF THE HISTORIC COMMISSION UPON NON-COMPLIANCE AND ADDITIONAL POWERS

(a) Failure to comply with order. If the owner or person responsible for the affected property fails to comply with a final order to repair, alter, preserve or improve property, the Historic Preservation Administrator and the Chief Building Official, by such means and with such assistance as may be available to them, are hereby authorized and directed to cause such property to be repaired, altered or improved, and the costs thereof shall be recovered by the City in a

manner provided by law.

Hold the phone!!! The Czar, based on his subjective judgment, can order someone to IMPROVE their safe, secure, legal property…or the City will do it and expect to recover the costs??? Who are we trying to kid??? This is over the top!!! Heads should roll if this passes!!!

(b) Vacant or unoccupied structures. Regarding any property that is unoccupied or vacant, the Historic Commission, upon review may, where appropriate and necessary, order the following:

(1) That service of water, gas or electricity be terminated;

Are you people TRYING to get sued??? Why in the world would you want to do this, other than to try to RUIN someone’s property while they are away??? Whoever is writing this stuff is OUT of Control and needs to be dismissed ASAP!!!

(2) That all accumulations of flammable or combustible rubbish or debris be removed from the premises by the owner or person responsible for the building;

(3) That all windows, doors and other openings in such buildings be locked,

barricaded or otherwise secured by the owner or person responsible for the building; materials and methods used for securing buildings and affecting the exterior appearance of the building shall require a Certificate of Appropriateness issued by the Commission. Costs incurred by the City where the owner or person responsible for the building fails to comply with such orders shall be due to and collectible by the City.

1210.14 SEPARABILITY

If any section, subsection, paragraph, sentence, clause or phrase of this chapter is declared invalid by any court of competent jurisdiction, the decisions of the court shall not impair the remaining portions of this chapter, which shall continue in full force and effect.

1210.15 CONFLICTS OF LAW

Where a provision of this chapter is found to be in conflict with a provision in any other law, the provision that establishes the higher standard shall prevail.

1210.16 PENALTIES AND EQUITABLE REMEDIES

Whoever violates or fails to comply with any of the provisions of this chapter is guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree and shall be fined not more than seven hundred fifty dollars ($750.00) or imprisoned not more than ninety days, or both. A separate offense shall be deemed committed each day during or on which a violation or noncompliance occurs or continues.

$750/day plus 90days/day equals $6,000 and TWO YEARS in prison if one delays EIGHT DAYS in complying with the orders of the Czar!!! Just for your reference, this is HIGHER FINE than the maximum fine for any 4th or 5th degree FELONY in the state of Ohio. It is also a LONGER prison term than any 4th or 5th degree felony in this state. It is a longer prison term than most 3rd degree felonies and many 2nd degree felonies!!! In fact, it pretty much has to be a violent or repeat offense to get you 2 or more years in Ohio…or else you have to refuse to paint your “historic fence post” the correct color for 8 days!!!

Do we even get a day in court…or does “the commission” just come and whisk us away in the middle of the night???

Notwithstanding the provisions of section 1210.10 hereof, in the event any alteration, change or permanent removal is made on any property that has been designated a Historic Landmark or Historic District, in violation of any of the provisions of this chapter, the City may institute appropriate proceedings to prevent such unlawful alteration, change or permanent removal.



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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012


Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Sep 07 2010 at 7:49pm
Especially note that, under section 1210.03 (e)(1) "general powers and duties", it states:

"...The Historic Commission shall conduct a continuous survey of all areas, places, structures, works of art, or similar objects in the City..."

Contrary to what the mayor and the law director tried to indicate, this legislation covers ALL property in the city, including YOURS, not just the "historic districts", as they would have you think!!!


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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012


Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Sep 07 2010 at 8:17pm

The Middletown Cemetery was established May 20, 1827 and is one of the most historic sites in Middletown. The little Gothic Vault was built about 1870 and is older than the majority of the homes on Main Street.
The cemetery was declared historic
February 6, 2006
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All research, restoration plans and quotes that I submitted to the City in 2005 meet the current historic standards.





Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Sep 07 2010 at 8:35pm
Well, read the new Ordinance 1210, Ms. Moon!!
It certainly appears that the City Manager is subject to a $750 fine and NINETY DAYS in PRISON for every day that she fails to bring the vault into its full restored glory!!!  It is now THE LAW!!
 
PS:  According to the new ordinance, financial hardship is NO  EXCUSE!!!


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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012


Posted By: Hermes
Date Posted: Sep 07 2010 at 10:22pm

1210.16 PENALTIES AND EQUITABLE REMEDIES

Whoever violates or fails to comply with any of the provisions of this chapter is guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree and shall be fined not more than seven hundred fifty dollars ($750.00) or imprisoned not more than ninety days, or both. A separate offense shall be deemed committed each day during or on which a violation or noncompliance occurs or continues.

This section sounds more like they will take your property because you'll be in prison,lose your job and can't pay to begin with or do what they demand ! There is no way in hell this would hold up in court,outside of Middeltown because we all know that any court in Middeltown will rule to the city favor.
 
I see lots of law suits coming down the pike and it's not going to be pretty.


Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Sep 08 2010 at 12:05am
Please consider the following copied exactly from the Ohio Constitution, § 1.19 Inviolability of private property (1851):

“Private property shall ever be held inviolate…”

It certainly seems to to thumb its nose at the Ohio Constitution!!



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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012


Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Sep 08 2010 at 7:26am
Well Pac- IMO, Mr. Laubach should have been thrown under the bus on the Pendleton vote as they all should have been. I applaud Ms. Scott-Jones and Mr. Laubach for their efforts to resist this "historic" nonsense. Thumbs down to Picard, Mulligan, Becker and the lawyer....as usual. Rubber stamp everything the city presents to them without questioning a darn thing. Some representation we have.


Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Sep 08 2010 at 7:29am
Mr.Laubaugh seems to have woken.
However we have lost what little we had in Mr.Smith. The rest of Council is terrible on their best day.
 
The historic commission legislation was totally un-necessary. Look at the Sorg Opera House,Sorg mansion, and  many of the S Main St.homes(and the deteriorating Highland district) to see that they have no real control.
 
Yes--the Pioneer Cemetary should be the first real test of this legislation. 


Posted By: Rhodes
Date Posted: Sep 08 2010 at 7:44pm
I understand why a neighborhood would want to form some type of HOA to protect the look of the area, but it shouldn't be something approved by the votes of 5 people. I think this ordinance is not legal and would not hold up in court. I believe you have to have a certain percentage of an area in agreement before creating new laws governing that area.

Do these laws apply to only new owners after the law has passed? Are previous owners grandfathered in? Doesn't this discriminate against the owners in historic areas compared to homeowners in other parts of town? Is there some new federal law that allows open discrimination of property maintenance based on the likes/dislikes of the current city administrators?

Has anyone contacted the ACLU or any other organization? I can't wait until the first person is attacked under this scam of a law and it has to play out through the courts.

This is what happens when middle class people want to pretend to be important.


Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: Sep 08 2010 at 8:20pm
"This is what happens when middle class people want to pretend to be important. "
 
Exactly.  It's people who want to live in homes that were thought of as "mansions" for the city elite in 1940 but doing so at today's reduced prices.  They are probably toasting tonight with the plastic wine cups.


Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: Sep 09 2010 at 9:18am
IMO - this will cause issues for anyone in these designated areas trying to sell their home.  As it will restrict what you can do with a property. 


Posted By: What A City
Date Posted: Sep 09 2010 at 9:46am
Wonder how the folks in the newly established area of the Highlands Historic District feel about their status now? Wonder how Jeff Michel and other initiators feel about this (if they care at all) ? Think there may be some angry people living around the old hospital area about now?


Posted By: Mtown
Date Posted: Sep 09 2010 at 1:11pm
Mr. Presta

You conveniently fail to complete your quote of the Ohio Constitution, so I will do it for you...

§ 1.19 Inviolability of private property (1851)

Private property shall ever be held inviolate, but subservient to the public welfare.


Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Sep 09 2010 at 6:14pm

Mtown:

Please explain what a “change in design, material, color, or outward appearance” of my private property has to do with the “public welfare”.

And if I should desire to demolish a structure on my private property, why should that be any business of the Historic Commission, or anyone else??? What would that have to do with the “public welfare”????

Kindly explain how forcing me to IMPROVE my safe, secure, legal property has anything to do with the “public welfare”.

Also explain how unilaterally turning off the electricity to my safe, secure, legal property (and thereby subjecting it to damage by freezing, vandalism or other external forces) if I should choose to take a two or three month extended vacation have anything to do with the “public welfare”!!!

I could go on, Mtown, but I will not, because you will not be able to logically and reasonably address these issues. I quoted the part of the Ohio Constitution Bill of Rights that was appropriate to my point: the inviolability of private property rights!!! I did not quote the remainder because I do not dispute the remainder.

However, this Ordinance 1210 has absolutely NOTHING to do with the “public welfare”. It has ONLY to do with a small GANG of people attempting to FORCE their desires on the remainder of the city, and to keep all other citizens whom they feel do not “fit in” OUT of their neighborhoods!!!

It is a piece of DISCRIMINATORY, RACIST, ANTI-PROGRESSIVE legislation, conceived in hatred, and fostered by elitism.

It will be thrown out in court the first time someone has the means to properly challenge it!!!



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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012


Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Sep 09 2010 at 6:25pm

Mtown:

You also failed to complete the quote of § 1.19 !!! Please allow me to do it for you!!!

 

Private property shall ever be held inviolate, but subservient to the public welfare. When taken in time of war or other public exigency, imperatively requiring its immediate seizure or for the purpose of making or repairing roads, which shall be open to the public, without charge, a compensation shall be made to the owner, in money, and in all other cases, where private property shall be taken for public use, a compensation therefor shall first be made in money, or first secured by a deposit of money; and such compensation shall be assessed by a jury, without deduction for benefits to any property of the owner.

 

So, there you have it, IN ITS ENTIRETY!!!

There is nothing about forcing folks to paint their homes “Williamsburg blue”. Nothing about “certificates of appropriateness”!!! Nothing about imprisonment for failing to comply with the subjective wishes of a “History Czar”!!! Nothing about peeking though windows!! Nothing about bans on demolition, or modification, or additions, or vinyl siding, or any of the nonsense in this Ordinance 1210.



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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012


Posted By: Paul Nagy
Date Posted: Sep 09 2010 at 6:27pm
Bravo Mike and AMEN! 
Paul Nagy


Posted By: rngrmed
Date Posted: Sep 09 2010 at 10:18pm
I truly wonder if some of the original owners of these historic homes would have upgraded their homes over the years. 


Posted By: Mtown
Date Posted: Sep 10 2010 at 4:02am
Mr. Presta

I simply completed the sentence that you failed to in your original quote. The section of the Ohio Constitution you quoted has to do with the taking of private property for purposes of public use.

Historic Districts are not a "taking" of private property.


Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Sep 10 2010 at 4:23am
Originally posted by Mtown Mtown wrote:

Historic Districts are not a "taking" of private property.
Sorry, Sir, but within the context of certain sections of this Ordinance 1210, they amount to a "regulatory taking" of private property!  But don't believe me!!  What do I know.
 
However, PLEASE read my next post on this matter.  Perhaps you will believe one of the most brilliant legal minds in the country!!!


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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012


Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Sep 10 2010 at 4:25am

Middletonians, there are entire sections of this code 1210 which dictate that it shall be the Historic Commission or the Historic Commissioner, and not the owner of the property, who shall decide things such as whether the “property is incapable of earning a reasonable return, regardless of whether that return represents the most profitable return possible” or whether “property cannot be adapted for any other use, whether by the current owner or by a purchaser, which would result in a reasonable return”!!! The Commission can even FORCE a property owner to sell their property if the Commission does not like the LEGAL use for which the owner wishes to use the property, and they can deny the owner his legal right to petition for a variable use permit.

Now, I know this is illegal. I KNOW that this is a “”government’s intrusion on a landowner’s property rights”!! I KNOW that this is a “regulatory taking that deprives him of all economic use of the property.” and I KNOW that this is unconstitutional!!! How do I know, you ask??? Well, just read this:

“Within the land use context, there are two types of per se takings The first is a direct encroachment on the land "which subjects it to a public use that excludes or restricts dominion and control of the owner over it." In the traditional eminent domain situation, the government's action physically seizes or exclusively appropriates a landowner's property for a public purpose and, therefore, it is clear that the governments appropriation of the landowner's property constitutes a compensable "taking" within the meaning of the United States and Ohio Constitutions.

The second type of per se taking is when there has been a "regulatory taking." In some instances, the government's action does not directly appropriate or invade a landowner's property. Rather the government's intrusion on a landowner's property rights occurs by regulation of the property. For example, if a municipality zones a particular parcel so as to preclude certain uses of a property, the landowner may allege that there has been a "regulatory" taking that deprives him of all economic use of the property.

Thus, in order to state a claim under a per se taking theory, a plaintiff must allege that there has been either a physical invasion of his property or a regulation depriving him of all economic viable use.”

Now, folks, those were not my words!!! Those were the words of one of the most brilliant legal minds in our nation!!! Those were the words of our very own City Law Director, Attorney Leslie S. Landen, Esquire!!!

Yes, folks, Attorney Leslie S. Landen, Esquire, City Law Director, has made the above argument to the Ohio Supreme Court on behalf of the City of Middletown!! He has provided the very argument necessary for this law to be ruled unconstitutional!!! Of course when he made this argument, he (and the City) were on the other side of the issue from where any aggrieved property owner will be who runs afoul of the Historic Commission or any of their cronies.

So, now this begs the two following questions:

  1. How could LAW DIRECTOR Landen have allowed such a flawed ordinance to possibly have come before council???
  2. How could two fine legal minds such as ATTORNEY Dan Picard and ATTORNEY Tom Allen possibly have voted in favor of such a flawed ordinance without the least bit of discussion???

Didn’t these three legal eagles even read this ordinance??? We know that they had it in front of them at least twice, during the first and second readings, as required by law!!!

We know that Council Members (and Attorneys) Picard and Allen also had it emailed to them by this citizen, with the items questioned above HIGHLIGHTED and with comments regarding this very issued interspersed!!!

So, what say ye, councilmen/Attorneys Picard and Allen??? Was Law Director Landen in error when he made the above argument to the Ohio Supreme Court…or was he wrong in allowing this flawed ordinance to go before council for a vote???

It must be one or the other!!! He cannot be both “for” and “against” the very same argument!!!


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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012


Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Sep 10 2010 at 4:38am
So, you see, my friend--there can, indeed, be a "per se taking" allowed under this ordinance.  This Ordinance will allow "regulatory takings" which our esteemed City Law Director has argued to the Supreme Court of this State of Ohio do, indeed exist in this state!  And such "Per se, regulatory takings" when they occur, can demand the very same legal consequences as "direct encroachments" on the land.
 
Les Landen has so stated, so it MUST be true!!! Big%20smile Big%20smile Big%20smile


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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012


Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Sep 10 2010 at 4:46am
Originally posted by rngrmed rngrmed wrote:

I truly wonder if some of the original owners of these historic homes would have upgraded their homes over the years. 
Well of course they would have, Ranger!!
The orignal owners were brainy, conservative successful industrialists, unlike the screwball wingnuts that own the joints now and just want to "play" like they are better than the rest of us.
Another big difference is that the original owners would have upgraded (and actually did upgrade) those places with THEIR OWN MONEY, and not tax money confiscated from the working poor!!


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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012


Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Sep 10 2010 at 5:52am

Now, getting back to you, my good friend Mtown:

You see, the rest of §1.19 of the Ohio Constitution that YOU “conveniently forgot” (your words, not mine) to quote, listed examples of the types and times of public exigencies wherein it was proper for “per se takings,” whether “direct” or “regulatory” in nature, of private property for public use. NONE of the examples given were ANYTHING like the conditions contained in ordinance 1210 nor were any of the examples given so narrowly  beneficial  numerically in scope to “members of the public” as the number being benefited by the types and times described in ordinance 1210.

In other words, this ordinance was much more broadly and loosely written, but benefits only a few!!!
 
And I mean all of the foregoing with all due respect possible for me to muster to the pinhead who authored it!!


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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012


Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Sep 10 2010 at 7:39am
What about the 5 pinheads whot couldn't wait to approve this ordinance?
Or Mr.Picard, who couldn't bring the vote quickly enough?
 
These people have become dangerous.
A true threat to the community.


Posted By: danpicard
Date Posted: Sep 10 2010 at 7:40am
Mr. Presta:
 
This ordinance only applies to "Historic Districts or Historic Landmarks".  Tell me exactly which section of the ordinance states that it  applies to "any" property in the City.
 
Dan Picard


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Posted By: Rhodes
Date Posted: Sep 10 2010 at 8:14am
I think it's time to bring in the ACLU.


Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Sep 10 2010 at 9:05am
Originally posted by danpicard danpicard wrote:

Mr. Presta:
 
This ordinance only applies to "Historic Districts or Historic Landmarks".  Tell me exactly which section of the ordinance states that it  applies to "any" property in the City.
 
Dan Picard

Mr. Picard:

For one place:

1210.03(e)(1) e) General Powers and Duties. The Historic Commission shall have the following powers and duties, in addition to those otherwise specified:

(1) The Historic Commission shall conduct a continuous survey of all areas, places, structures, works of art, or similar objects in the City which the Commission has reason to believe are or will be eligible for designation as historic sites, landmarks or districts.

My comments (included in my email to ALL council members, dated Thu, September 2, 2010 2:16 am):

 This is entirely to broad and subjective!!! Now “all” areas are included as are “works of art”!! So, are we to assume that all “history buffs” that will be appointed to this commission will also be qualified “art critics”??? Aren’t we getting into some pretty specialized areas here??? And “similar objects”??? What in the world are “similar objects“??? This is a LAW, and here we are, under “powers and duties” giving them control over “works of art and SIMILAR OBJECTS”!!! Isn’t “art” in the eye of the beholder??? This could be ANYTHING!!! This is a TERRIBLE law, and subject to all sorts of abuse!!!

For another place:

1210.05(a) Criteria. In considering any area, place, structure, work of art or similar object in the City as a historic site …

For another place:

1210.05

(6) Its relationship to other distinctive areas or structures designated for preservation;

(7) Its unique location or singular physical characteristic representing an

established and familiar feature of the City; and…

My comments (included in my email to ALL council members, dated Thu, September 2, 2010 2:16 am):

This is entirely too broad!! EVERY single point in the city, indeed in the universe, is, in fact a “unique location” and should not qualify it for any special designation! Remember, this is “legislation”. This is making these words a “LAW”! To allow a group who has a self-proclaimed “interest and proficiency in historic preservation, reconstruction, rehabilitation and restoration” to declare each and every “point” in the city a “historic landmark” simply because it is a “unique location” will be to invite graft, corruption, and underhanded deal-making and extortion throughout the city.

And one of the most egregious of all:

1210.06 PROCEDURES FOR DESIGNATING HISTORIC LANDMARKS AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS

This section, in its entirety, deals with designating additional properties, and/or districts as “historic“, EVEN AGAINST THE OWNERS’ WISHES!!!

Haven’t you even read this thing yet, man???

How could you vote on it without reading it???

Scroll up in this very thread!!! See my post of 07 Sep 2010 at 7:39pm !!!

I posted the entire Ordinance, exactly as I emailed it to you, with my comments to the most offensive sections!!!



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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012


Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Sep 10 2010 at 9:08am
So sure, it only applies to "Historic Districts or Historic Landmarks".  BUT IT GIVES THEM THE POWER TO DECLARE ANYTHING THEY DAMN WELL PLEASE A HISTORIC DISTRICT OR LANDMARK!!!
 
Sheesh!!  I can't believe that you didn't know what you were voting for!!!
 
 


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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012


Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Sep 10 2010 at 9:11am
Attorney Picard:
Did ya notice all of the stuff they included by reference???
Do ya have ANY IDEA what all of that stuff is???


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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012


Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Sep 10 2010 at 9:23am

Mr Picard:

Do you know
what the “Historic Preservation Plan” and the “adopted design guidelines” are???  No?? Well, YOU just made the entire city subject to these things, at the whim of this History Czar, and the "Historic Preservation Administrator"!!
Oh, Ya didn't know we had a "Historic Preservation Administrator"???  YOU just created one with this ordinance!!!  Where will we get the money to pay this guy, (and guess who they have in mind for this PAID poisition!!!) 


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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012


Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Sep 10 2010 at 9:37am
Oh, and Mr. Picard, just in case you didn't see it.  Do you recall Kohler standing up there with a straight face on August 17, saying that there was NOTHING in this ordinance about picking colors???
 
Well, I direct your attention to section 1210.10(a), which states, in part:
Nothing in this ordinance shall be construed to prevent the ordinary repair and maintenance of any exterior architectural feature of a Historic Landmark or Historic District property which does not involve a change in design, material, color, or outward appearance
 
I guess you didn't read that part, either!!!
 
If these posts sound like I'm angry, it's because I'm angry!
 
YOU let the PEOPLE down!!!


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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012


Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Sep 10 2010 at 9:38am
I won't wait on your reply, because I doubt that you will have one!!

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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012


Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Sep 10 2010 at 9:43am
Mike
You are correct.
The Middletown Cemetery was declared historic in February 2006
Historic cemetery law covers these items; buildings, vaults, sculpture, tombstones, fences, water features, trees, plants, and even ground cover.


Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Sep 10 2010 at 10:01am

Mike

Isn't this the same argument of law that we made for the large number of newer homes (infill properties) that were going to be included in the Highlands Historic District?
Didn't Marty assured them that it would NOT have any effect on their property?....hmmmmmm


 



Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Sep 10 2010 at 12:20pm
Mr.Picard
Thank you for your prompt and courteous reply. I hope you stick around to participate in constructive discussion on this site. Maybe you could explain your reasoning for supporting this ordinance and the need to bring the vote immediately last Tuesday.
Also--your thoughts on the Pendleton arrangement and the Main St.Project.
The Main St.Project was approved Tuesday, however I have never really understood what was approved, or what this project is actually going to accomplish.
 
It is a HUGE step for you to come here.
Few do so for long.
I hope that you will be treated with proper respect, and recognized for your willingness to serve.


Posted By: Rhodes
Date Posted: Sep 12 2010 at 2:54am
I finally had the chance to watch some of last Tuesday's city meeting. I guess it's ok to call someone out in the video since they spoke at a public meeting.

There was a man that spoke as a resident of South Main, he said his is Dan Gawron. Did anyone else see this? Aside from the fact that he came off a little psychotic, did he actually think he was being persuasive? Somebody told me this guy had an old dying tree in his front yard several years ago. There was a large hole in the bottom of it where it was rotting. Instead of doing the proper safe thing and removing the tree, he actually took brick and mortar and filled in the large hole. Surprise, surprise, the tree still died and had to come down. I guess curbside trees are historic too.

These are the people that make fun of us posters on MUSA?


Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Sep 12 2010 at 6:16am
Of course many people saw him.
 
I am unsure of the point he was trying to make.  He seemed to be equating opposition to Ordinace 1210 to mayhem in the streets and hog-raising in the city and advocacy of abandonment of speed limits. 
 
I suppose if he did not read the ordinance any more carefully than some of the attorneys that hang around city hall did, that would be an easy mistake to make.  After all, many who do not know me at all accuse me of being an art-hater and anti-history zealot.
 
Oh well, ignorance is bliss.
 
I may not agree with what he had to say, but I certainly defend his right to say it.  I actually hope that he speaks more often during Citizens' Comments.  Perhaps next time he will defend some of our city officials specifically and by name!!!


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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012


Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Sep 12 2010 at 9:39am
Hey--finally a crazy person at the podium that has not been associated with MUSA.
That was pretty amazing entertainment--might make a good Councilmember!
Or a plum spot on the Historic Property Repressive Committee.


Posted By: angelababy
Date Posted: Nov 01 2010 at 11:35pm

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Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Nov 10 2010 at 4:26pm
Mr. Picard:
I hate to say "I tild you so", but I told you so!!!
Originally posted by Mike_Presta Mike_Presta wrote:

Originally posted by danpicard danpicard wrote:

Mr. Presta:
 
This ordinance only applies to "Historic Districts or Historic Landmarks".  Tell me exactly which section of the ordinance states that it  applies to "any" property in the City.
 
Dan Picard

Mr. Picard:

For one place:

1210.03(e)(1) e) General Powers and Duties. The Historic Commission shall have the following powers and duties, in addition to those otherwise specified:

(1) The Historic Commission shall conduct a continuous survey of all areas, places, structures, works of art, or similar objects in the City which the Commission has reason to believe are or will be eligible for designation as historic sites, landmarks or districts.

My comments (included in my email to ALL council members, dated Thu, September 2, 2010 2:16 am):

 This is entirely to broad and subjective!!! Now “all” areas are included as are “works of art”!! So, are we to assume that all “history buffs” that will be appointed to this commission will also be qualified “art critics”??? Aren’t we getting into some pretty specialized areas here??? And “similar objects”??? What in the world are “similar objects“??? This is a LAW, and here we are, under “powers and duties” giving them control over “works of art and SIMILAR OBJECTS”!!! Isn’t “art” in the eye of the beholder??? This could be ANYTHING!!! This is a TERRIBLE law, and subject to all sorts of abuse!!!

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We will now have this gang at the Historic Commission deciding an issue (the use of “multicolor car hoods from junk yards for siding”) which is clearly in violation of our city's Planning and Zoning Ordinances in an UCC zone, under the guise of "art"!!!
 
Or will we???  We had TWO attorneys vote in favor of this MIS-GUIDED ordinance, which was reviewed and approved by our City Law Director!!!  Make sure that this "gang" follows the letter of the law!!!
 
I hope that the intelligent council members watch this closely!!!


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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012


Posted By: Storm Ahead
Date Posted: Nov 12 2010 at 9:34am

1210.03(e)(1) e) General Powers and Duties. The Historic Commission shall have the following powers and duties, in addition to those otherwise specified:

(1) The Historic Commission shall conduct a continuous survey of all areas, places, structures, works of art, or similar objects in the City which the Commission has reason to believe are or will be eligible for designation as historic sites, landmarks or districts.        ????????

I think their observation glasses got fogged up. There is a mighty fine school building being torn down as I type this!


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