Sunset Pool
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Topic: Sunset Pool
Posted By: randy
Subject: Sunset Pool
Date Posted: Nov 02 2010 at 6:06pm
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I think we as musa readers and bloggers we should find away to keep this pool open ------------- Call me for a www.CameraSecurityNow.com" rel="nofollow - www.CameraSecurityNow.com quote 513-422-1907 x357 |
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Posted By: Smartman
Date Posted: Nov 02 2010 at 6:34pm
| I agree Randy! Since the Thatcher Estate is will to work with Cincy State, maybe they could make a donation to repair and open the pool. Instead of the money going to the city, maybe the funds could go to a committee to run the pool and keep the city out of it. Just a thought. I would like to see it open for the kids, I have my own pool but there are many in town that do not and would enjoy it. jmo |
Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: Nov 02 2010 at 8:48pm
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Waste of time and money. No amount of donations will keep that pool open even if they pull a rabbit out of the hat and fund it for one year, what then? It'll close in year two.
Kids will turnout in ever declining numbers. The whole thing is a waste of effort.
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Posted By: randy
Date Posted: Nov 02 2010 at 9:13pm
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Bill, why do you say this would be a waste of time and money? I believe Middletown needs a pool and something needs to be worked out so we can keep it. Why not spend less money on buying old buildings (to demo or give away) and spend some money on the last pool in this town. ------------- Call me for a www.CameraSecurityNow.com" rel="nofollow - www.CameraSecurityNow.com quote 513-422-1907 x357 |
Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: Nov 02 2010 at 9:25pm
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Randy, I spent much of my youth there. Fond memories. But fewer kids were using it every year, and can we afford it? Council just talked tonight about deficit spending...where are we going to find the $$?? I actually think some expenses -- like demos -- are in our best financial interest long term.
And they were talking about only having it open 8 weeks. That's all? What is it, The Jug? I would think 3 months would be the goal.
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Posted By: TudorBrown
Date Posted: Nov 03 2010 at 1:50am
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Every time I drove by Sunset (last time it was opened) it was packed. The problem is the admittance price is way to low. Go by the splash pad, and watch all the kids and their parents run up and give the ice cream man $5 and $10 dollar bills. Germantown pool: Daily rates for ages 2 and younger are free for residents and nonresidents, individuals are $4 for residents and $6 for nonresidents. Middletown pool: Children - $2.50; Adults - $3.00. |
Posted By: rngrmed
Date Posted: Nov 03 2010 at 12:13pm
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I've thought for a while the rates should be raised. I am curious about how many people attend. The pool managers should have records of how many people attend and if the rates are consistent or are dropping off. I'm also curious if a water park similiar to Splash Moraine could survive in the area. Or even if we have the acreage to bring it to fruition. I know the Beach is close by and that would be competition, not to mention Splash Moraine. Could be used for mulitple things like the Beach as well. Sledding and ice skatinig in the winter.
May not be feasible, but just a thought.
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Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: Nov 03 2010 at 1:22pm
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I believe the reports are that attendance at Sunset dwindled from about 10,000 in 2000 to about 6000 last time it was open.
As far as a water park, I would be surprised if it could survive at a price point needed to succeed here. And have you seen most of the people at the Smith Park splash pad? It's a fright.
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Posted By: Hermes
Date Posted: Nov 03 2010 at 3:02pm
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Just let people go swimming at Smith park.
I've swam in plenty of ponds as a kid. Dump it full of chlorine and let'em have at it ! ------------- No more democrats no more republicans,vote Constitution Party !! |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Nov 03 2010 at 3:31pm
Now Hermes, you can't go a dumpin' chlorine in Smith Pond. There's fish in there and fishermen who want to catch them. The fishermen must buy a license, providing big time revenue for the city for operations. There's duck whammy to worry about. That can't be too sanitary. There's three-eyed giant carp and people have probably dumped their pet paranahees in there and they'd be a choppin' on some little kids who want to swim. 
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Posted By: Hermes
Date Posted: Nov 03 2010 at 8:02pm
Vet - I wouldn't eat anything I catch out of Smith pond anyway. 
And by the time they dump a load of chlorine in there won't be anything left to bite or nibble the kiddies.
One old pond I use to swim in had a water moccasin that chased us every time we jumped in. That darn snake hated us. ------------- No more democrats no more republicans,vote Constitution Party !! |
Posted By: TudorBrown
Date Posted: Nov 04 2010 at 2:28am
Lets just say it isn't exactly "Browns Run Country Club"...   |
Bill wrote:Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: Nov 04 2010 at 6:27am
| That picture is tame compared to some of the monstrous 300 pound mamas I've seen there, covered in tattoos, with their cigarettes and junk food. |
Posted By: vannestmom
Date Posted: Nov 04 2010 at 10:42pm
 i think that it would be a grate idea if somebody would donate money to open up this pool. some people on here are crazy talkin about 2.50 per person!!! that would mean for me and my kids 15 dollars a day?!?!?!? also how can me and my kids get their and enjoy the pool?!?!?!? that is the prolem!!!! nobody has that kind of money!!! somebody should give money or perhaps the city could give back and re open the pool for the PEOPLE!!!!
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Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: Nov 05 2010 at 7:30am
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Shhh! Quiet everyone, if you don't respond to vannestmom maybe she'll go away. Since the MJ website turned off comments she has nowhere to go.
6 kids (bunch of different Dads) -- check
Section 8 recipent -- check
lazy & entitled -- check
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Posted By: vannestmom
Date Posted: Nov 05 2010 at 10:52am
 Bill, u would like me to go away wouldny u? just like everyone else and the city leaders trying to make us go away!!! u dont want to talk of the issues you just want to generalize. and u dont have to worry about my kids and who their dads r!! ------------- "think before you judge" |
Posted By: vannestmom
Date Posted: Nov 05 2010 at 10:54am
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and another thing what is so funny about that picture posted? not all of us can join richie country clubs! ------------- "think before you judge" |
Posted By: What A City
Date Posted: Nov 05 2010 at 11:08am
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Bill.... vannestmom must be someone posing as a welfare, Section 8 recipient just to fire up the working, taxpaying people who support this out of control social cluster of a program. I would imagine most legitimate Section 8 people would be too embarassed to post some of the information about their life that vannestmom has posted in the past. To admit to 6 kids with different dads and to have no shame in taking all the handouts that this poster has stated, apparently with no shame at all, is a bit hard to believe as being legitimate. IMO, the person on the other side of this name is just playing games because they know it touches a nerve with the working people who are being forced to support SOME- not all, of the parasites who sponge off the taxpayers.
Want to create jobs and save some money? Hire and train Section 8/welfare/social program auditors to visit each and every social program users house, unannounced, to check for legitimacy for drawing a paycheck off the public. Those who are bogus, are immediately dropped from the programs and either go to work and help themselves or starve. Would be nice to see some of the spongers receive a wake-up call on behalf of the working people. Got your crap together vannestmom....there will be an auditor at your doorstep in a few days.
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Posted By: vannestmom
Date Posted: Nov 05 2010 at 12:44pm
u see bill and randy thats what u and all the others want to believe about me. i never once said anything about my childrens father. u all just put all people into your little narrow view of the world if their not like u.!!!! everytiome i try and add to the debate you all slander me!!! all i was doing was trying to add my opinin to this topic. I cant help it if my questions scare you. i lik this town it is the rich snobbie peolpe that i can do w/o!!!!!! ------------- "think before you judge" |
Posted By: randy
Date Posted: Nov 05 2010 at 7:01pm
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Vannestmom, I am not sure why you mentioned me in your last comment, I have never said anything about you EVER!!! I will tell you right now that if you and Bill do not watch your words towards eachother and other posters. You will see just how quick your no longer welcome to post here. I could careless if you are on section 8 or how many kids you have. This is a free forum but it is not a mud slinging forum.
So before you post about me, (when I said nothing about you) make sure you read what it says just below my name. ------------- Call me for a www.CameraSecurityNow.com" rel="nofollow - www.CameraSecurityNow.com quote 513-422-1907 x357 |
Posted By: vannestmom
Date Posted: Nov 06 2010 at 1:14pm
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randy, i do apologize to you i dont know y i put your name in my post. i meant to put some one else in I appreciate you having my back against bill. i appreciate u not judging me bc i have a large family like bill does. he doesnt no me. he doesnt knowmy life! all i wanted is for the pool to staty openmfor the kids of middletown. my economic background should have nothing to do with that. ------------- "think before you judge" |
Posted By: randy
Date Posted: Nov 06 2010 at 1:20pm
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No harm no foul!! ------------- Call me for a www.CameraSecurityNow.com" rel="nofollow - www.CameraSecurityNow.com quote 513-422-1907 x357 |
Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: Nov 06 2010 at 1:49pm
| vannestmom, I'm all too familiar with the material you used to post on the MJ, most of which would infuriate many on this board, so excuse me if I'm not too sympathetic. |
Posted By: vannestmom
Date Posted: Nov 06 2010 at 2:43pm
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Bill I dont ask for your sympathy. i dont think i have ever posted anything that would be considered to stir up things. people always just assume and judge me. unless of course my mere existene and financial status makes you mad. y do people get so mad when they dont agree with other people opinions? my opinion counts just like yours only i aint rich so you look down on. ------------- "think before you judge" |
Posted By: What A City
Date Posted: Nov 06 2010 at 6:14pm
Warning! Warning... Disclaimer comment........the opinion listed below is all speculation on my part. I do not know vannestmom and am guessing she is on assistance. IF..IF you are truely a mother of six kids with different fathers and IF....IF you are receiving financial aid from welfare, Section 8 or any other government program and IF...IF you are able to work but do not BECAUSE you have had 6 kids that you "must" stay home to take care of, THAT is what infuriates working people vannestmom. You mentioned that you are glad Chick-Fil-A is returning as you looked forward to taking your kids there. Given the price of these sandwiches and realizing how many kids you say you have, I would imagine that can be a fairly hefty food bill. How are you affording a house, paying some of the utilities, feeding and clothing all those kids, and still finding money to eat there on government assistance, AKA worker financed assistance? THAT'S what bothers us working people in case you didn't understand our displeasure with ABLE- BODIED people on assistance.Find a relative to watch the kids and go to work. Do you earn the money you receive or do you rely on the work of others for you existence? If you are truely needy, that's another issue. IF....IF you are drawing off assistance, think of all the people, each morning, that get up at 5AM while you're sleeping in and go to work to just to have money taken out of their checks to take care of people like you. How about the people who are on their way to work on the midnight shift just as you are turning off your lights to go to bed for the night. Have you ever been in the situation they are in? Give it some thought next time you get that freebie check in the mail., that is, IF you are getting assistance. Oh, and none of us are what would be classified as rich. Most of us are just middle-class working people paying the bills, living within a budget and trying to make ends meet in a rotten economy. You can drop the "looking down at me" crap. We struggle at times in our own way too. JMO |
Posted By: Hermes
Date Posted: Nov 06 2010 at 6:29pm
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I think it would be very nice if the Thatcher estate would donate money for the pool.
Lord knows the Thatcher's made enough money around this town to spread a little butter on everybodies bread. ------------- No more democrats no more republicans,vote Constitution Party !! |
Posted By: tomahawk35
Date Posted: Nov 06 2010 at 9:34pm
| I beginnihg to think that someone is trying to jerk our chain with this vannest posting, The spelling and run together words seems very phony like someone is trying their best to deplict the image of some uneducated poor hillbilly on welfare.. Too much poor stuff is revealed which isn't really in line with the our discussion on city matters. Me thinks I smell a clown. Like the Great One says,just my opinion. |
Posted By: vannestmom
Date Posted: Nov 07 2010 at 11:51am
tomahawk there it is again. just bc someone dont agree with u u try to make tham out to be phoney!!!!
all i am saying on this site is that not everyone is able to get to a pool and it would b nice if there was a way to open that pool up for the people!! y does that make me a clown? u are just on here just so smart and educated more than others arent u? i hope it makes u feel good to make fun of others. u just seem so insecure making fun and tring to act smart.  ------------- "think before you judge" |
Posted By: tomahawk35
Date Posted: Nov 08 2010 at 10:36pm
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Posted By: vannestmom
Date Posted: Nov 09 2010 at 9:33am
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yes i read it!!! you try and others try to act like people in middletown that arnt like u arent real!! jsut bc my opinions are diff doesnt make me phoney!! u r so smart tomahawk i wish we all could b like u! ------------- "think before you judge" |
Posted By: LMAO
Date Posted: Nov 09 2010 at 12:06pm
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Seems the city can find money to tear down buildings but cant find a way to keep the pool open? Maybe the Mayor could ask his buddy Mr.McCoy to have AK contribute again. |
Posted By: tomahawk35
Date Posted: Nov 09 2010 at 11:32pm
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Posted By: tomahawk35
Date Posted: Nov 09 2010 at 11:43pm
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Posted By: tomahawk35
Date Posted: Nov 09 2010 at 11:45pm
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Posted By: vannestmom
Date Posted: Nov 12 2010 at 1:22pm
i dont have any idea what u r talking about.  ------------- "think before you judge" |
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Date Posted: Nov 17 2010 at 3:06am
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Posted By: midres
Date Posted: Nov 17 2010 at 10:06am
| Just a thought. If anyone has ever been to Keehner Park in West Chester, then you know what a really nice venue they have for, virtually, any kind of performance. The amphitheater is wonderful and quite simple in design. And... there is a very nice play area for children. Also, there is very ample parking. Perhaps the city and our school board could come together and develop something similar utilizing both Sunset Park and the Roosevelt School properties. This area is really quite central in our city and easy to get to. When concerts were held there, they were always very well attended -- from all factions in town. Parking was a hassle but this could be alleviated with the addition of the Roosevelt property. Like I said, it's just a thought but, perhaps, a land swap or some other deal could be worked out between the city, the schools, and the Parks Department. |
Posted By: midres
Date Posted: Nov 17 2010 at 10:08am
| One thing that I neglected to add was that such a large area might provide adequate space for a very nice splash pad. This would be one way to satisfy the need for a refreshing water play area in the summer time. |
Posted By: gemneye70
Date Posted: Nov 17 2010 at 10:19am
| Good idea midres...and thanks to others who actually chose to discuss the pool post...the rest of the bs was uncalled for and getting kind of old. I hate having to scroll thru 27 posts of rants and raves, name-calling, etc to actually see what those interested in the subject have to say...take the rest to another thread. |
Posted By: Bocephus
Date Posted: Nov 18 2010 at 2:07am
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Popcorn anyone? |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Jun 07 2011 at 6:39am
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City mulls razing pool
It’ll cost $70K to remove Sunset Pool as council faces projected $3.7M budget shortfall. With demolition looming, Wood said it will be “the end of an era” for a city that’s supported public pool access since 1928 when Sunset Pool opened. Douglass Pool was converted to a splash pad in 2008 using an AK Steel grant THE STATEMENT BELOW IS WHAT IS SAD AND DEVASTATING FOR THE CITY. EVEN MORE DISGUSTING IS THAT MOST OF THIS WAS INVITED IN BY THE CITY LEADERS AND THEIR GHETTO PROGRAMS. WHY? PER CAPITA INCOME OF $19,838......NO ONE CAN LIVE A DECENT LIFE NOR HAVE ANY HOPE AT ALL ON THIS INCOME. THESE PROGRAMS WERE ALL APPROVED BY SOME PEOPLE MAKING HIGH FIVE AND SIX FIGURE INCOMES. THEY HAVE NO SCRUPLES NOR MORAL CHARACTER OR THEY WOULD NEVER HAVE DONE THIS TO THIS CITY. Given that Middletown has a large low-income populace — the city has an estimated per capita income of $19,838 according to the U.S. Census — Wood said he believes City Council is ignoring the needs of its residents “Hypocrisy is that Weatherwax Golf Course is (out of) town and serves middle-aged white men and is subsidized $100,000 by the city. It is open in good years and bad, rain or sunshine,” Wood said. “As I have said many times it seems the city is more interested in serving people who like to golf then kids who need a place to go for the summer — which is the demographics of Middletown.” AMEN MERRILL. JUST LET THE POOL BE FOR RIGHT NOW. IT'S NOT HURTING ANYTHING SITTING DORMANT. BOTTOM LINE.....THE CITY ALWAYS MANAGES TO FIND SOME "HIDDEN FUNDS" TO START THE PROJECTS THEY ARE INTERESTED IN. IN THIS CASE, WE HAVE TWO MONEY-LOSING VENTURES.....THE GOLF COURSE AND THE POOL. ONE MONEY DRAIN IS OVERLOOKED AND THE OTHER MAY GO AWAY. THEY PICK AND CHOOSE...IT IS NOT UNBIASED. IT IS NOT LOGICAL. IT IS FOR THE "FRIENDS OF THE CITY". THEY ARE DISGUSTING. |
Posted By: middletownscouter
Date Posted: Jun 07 2011 at 8:03am
| The absolute hyprocrisy in having $80k set aside to demolish the pool but not having $20k to operate it. Absolute crap. If you've got $80k, you have money to operate the pool for 4 years! |
Posted By: middletownscouter
Date Posted: Jun 07 2011 at 9:40am
I am not a lawyer, but I'm wondering if there might be grounds to file an injunction barring the city from demolishing the pool on the basis that the decision to do so is:
Any pro-pool lawyers on here feel like doing a pro-bono solid for the residents? Unfortunately, the folks most affected by this decision are the ones who cannot afford to spend money on legal representation. |
Posted By: LMAO
Date Posted: Jun 07 2011 at 10:26am
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Can bitch and moan all we want but till we the taxpayers say enough is enough and get rid of the spineless people that run this city it will and never change.Its funny how they can find money to fill it in but cant find money to operate it. |
Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: Jun 07 2011 at 11:06am
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I agree totally with Mr. Wood and his reference to "hypocrisy". $100,000 for middle-class golfers but not a dime for kids, while asking AK Steel to allow $18,000. to be diverted from their gift to the city. Perhaps MMF? What sheer madness. When its hot, kids swim, when its cool and overcast, they don't. The tend is simple to figure. I recall swimming there when it was .50, about $2.00 with today's inflation.
Middletown's leadership has shown again what its focus is upon: the existing older citizens, the 'lifers', and not the up and coming young adults. This is a city of 48,000. More imporatnt for the public to have access to Weatherwax while city loses tens and hundreds of thousands annually. With gas $4.00/gal, more kids staying home than driving up and down the highway. It simply shows the horizon for city planners and leaders is about a year or two, to take care of their friends, and no vision for the future. Cincinnati State left for dead, or put on hold at least until next fiscal year for state entities, July 2012, while paying for moth balling, and a failing effort. Pratt making $70,000 to play host for the illuminati of Cincinnati State while they hire a Boston firm to help them kill the deal---enginnering in Middletown, culinary arts, flat growth, but land locked? What a mess.
What a shame city asking nearly 80% of money that would fund a year city with-held, to be diverted elsewhere. Don't tri-atheletes that ride bikes also swim as part of training? Bike path important, pool not, golf couse scared, pool and kids, get lost. Sad.
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Posted By: 409
Date Posted: Jun 07 2011 at 11:19am
| This may still be a ploy to build an $80,000 dog park by Judy and Sam. That would be crap! As stated previously, the Roosevelt/Sunset Park area could be made even better as the economy allows. |
Posted By: middletownscouter
Date Posted: Jun 07 2011 at 11:22am
| They could easily buy the Roosevelt school property and convert that into their precious dog park. No need to demolish Sunset Pool. |
Posted By: LMAO
Date Posted: Jun 07 2011 at 11:36am
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No need but are "Spineless" council feels the need once again to say hell what the community thinks.I wish at times I was as smart as them.
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Posted By: 409
Date Posted: Jun 07 2011 at 11:38am
| I'd rather see a dog park elsewhere. As I stated in another thread, flood part of the football/track area for ice skating in the winter. We used to skate on Smith Pond and later the Sunset tennis courts were flooded in the winter. There could be plenty of parking available. Someone (Spider?) also mentioned an ampitheater. Lots of possibilities as economy allows. |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Jun 08 2011 at 6:58am
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Journal story......Sunset Pool will
be demolished
The city will move forward with plans to demolish Sunset Pool. Bad move IMO. Just store it. It is not necessary to demolish it in it's location. It is not like it is in the way of new housing development. It is not in the way of the Sunset Park functions. It will not cost the city any sizable amount to sit dormant until all scenarios have been explored. It would appear this is a knee-jerk reaction by council as some seem to take pleasure in seeing anything and everything bulldozed with the resulting vacant lot remaining with no potential use on the horizon. If we could start seeing some activity on the buildings that have already been demolished, might be a different thing, but I would imagine that most of what has been knocked down, will stay a vacant lot for years (decades) to come. They are looking for every nickel and dime to offset the 3.7 mil budget deficit. Here's another $70-$80 thou spent that could be added to the pot. JMO |
Posted By: middletownscouter
Date Posted: Jun 08 2011 at 8:34am
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I wanted desperately to be at the council meeting last night to speak out against this idiocy, but could not. In the journal's article they quoted Ms. Gilleland as saying, "We will begin the project, but if more people show up next time (to speak against demolition) it could change.”
If packing council chambers with pro-union folks can force council to not do something, packing the chambers with pro-pool folks could force them to change their mind as well. |
Posted By: Smartman
Date Posted: Jun 13 2011 at 6:43pm
| If we have the money to demolish the pool, why not operate it? Let one of the booster groups at the high school man it as a fundraiser? I would support that even though I have a pool. Im sure the near by residents would support that rather than to smell dog S%#*! jmo |
Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Jun 13 2011 at 9:11pm
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Can't they just fill the pool with mothballs?
Are they already out of mothballs?
Has anyone seen the utily and other expenses for the newly taxpayer-purchased properties?
Wow--mothballs must be lousy insulation.
The only choice is back to starving this beast into submission and re-building(somewhere other than the former downtown area) from the ground up. Time to break them--vote NO on everything!!!
I actually believe that C St will eventually come in a limited manner--maybe only to Greentree?
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Posted By: middletownscouter
Date Posted: Jun 14 2011 at 9:06am
| Today's Journal just hits home the truth about how things are viewed at the city building. They've spent about a MILLION dollars in the last five years on the golf course for the well off, and try to tear down the pool and complain about paying out for the splash pad operations that cost WAY less (I believe the operating costs for the pool had it been open over the last five years would have been maybe $125k? based off previous operating numbers given) but are used by the majority of the population who are lower income. |
Posted By: LMAO
Date Posted: Jun 14 2011 at 9:43am
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IF ARE SPINELESS LEADERS HAVE MONEY TO THROW AWAY ON THE GOLF COURSE THEY HAVE MONEY TO KEEP SUNSET.I PRAY EVERY NIGHT THAT EACH ONE THAT OCCUPIES THOSE SEATS ARE VOTED OUT IN THE NEXT ELECTION. THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING BUT LIED TO THE PEOPLE OF MIDDLETUCKY AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO UNTIL THE PEOPLE STAND UP TO THEM.
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Posted By: Upper90
Date Posted: Jun 14 2011 at 11:08am
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Obviously I would like Sunset to be open again but does not look like that will happen. For just a few bucks more and a short drive you can go here, it is really fun and worth every penny. http://www.ci.miamisburg.oh.us/index.php?id=45&option=com_content&task=view There is sand volleyball as well. It is great for kids of all ages because you can stand as a parent and watch multiple areas at once. |
Posted By: LMAO
Date Posted: Jun 14 2011 at 12:22pm
I say most of the people dont have transportation to go up there.What needs to be done is someone needs to wake the spineless council memebers up.There caught up in a fantasy world.
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