Cincy State IV
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Topic: Cincy State IV
Posted By: Richard Saunders
Subject: Cincy State IV
Date Posted: May 24 2012 at 6:37pm
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<font size="5" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Culinary programs losing money at Cincy State Culinary programs, the crown jewel at Cincinnati State Technical & Community College, lost $217,000 last year and are facing a major restructuring. http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20120524/NEWS0102/305240086/-217K-deficit-prompts-review-Cincy-State-s-culinary-programs - Story Here |
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Posted By: 409
Date Posted: May 24 2012 at 6:44pm
From MJ:
Cincy State to offer new social media coursesStaff Report 5:45 PM Thursday, May 24, 2012 CINCINNATI — Cincinnati State Technical & Community College will offer new classes in social media this summer. The Institute for Social Media at Cincinnati State will offer seven classes this summer at its Workforce Development Center in Evendale, and four of them are new. All courses will be three hours. The new classes include: • Advanced LinkedIn Workshop from 8:30 to 11:30 a.m. on June 22. The course will teach advanced features that make LinkedIn important in both business-to-business and business-to-customer situations. Students must have an established LinkedIn account. • Using LinkedIn to Find your Next Job from 6 to 9 p.m. on June 25. As LinkedIn is the world’s largest online professional network, students will learn how, according to Kaitlin Madden of CareerBuilder.com, the site “can be a job seeker’s golden ticket.” Students must have a LinkedIn profile more than 80 percent complete. • Advanced Facebook Workshop from 8:30 to 11:30 a.m. June 29. This course will teach advanced features of Facebook to reach target markets, including creating promotions, contests and ads; using custom tabs; and community page management. • Strategy & ROI Workshop from 8:30 to 11:30 a.m. July 20. This course will teach how to align social media strategies and objectives, and learn the power of selecting metrics and incorporating return on investment principles into overall strategies. The following established courses will also be offered this summer: • Introduction to Social Media and Social Media Tools from 8:30 to 11:30 a.m. June 15. This introductory course is designed to provide a foundation social media, and will teach the most popular tools, such as Twitter, LinkedIn and blogs, and how to measure results. • Case Study Workshop from 8:30 to 11:30 p.m. June 27. This course will use examples of how social media strategies using case studies, best practices and experiences from classmates. • Content Creation Workshop from 8:30 a.m. to 11:30 p.m. July 13. This course will teach how to find and re-purpose content and identify what content is most appropriate. Depending on individual needs, students may purchase one class or purchase a bundle of two or more of the social media classes. Classes can be purchased for $69 each or packaged as the following: • Two classes for $129: Advanced LinkedIn and Advanced Facebook; or Strategy & ROI and Case Study Workshop • Four classes for $229: Introduction to Social Media, Advanced LinkedIn, Advanced Facebook, Content Creation • Six classes for $339: Introduction, Advanced LinkedIn, Advanced Facebook, Content Creation, Strategy & ROI, Case Study Workshop To enroll or more information, visit http://www.workforcecincinnati.com/training-and-career-development/social-media/ism - www.workforcecincinnati.com/ism . |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: May 25 2012 at 6:53am
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Richard, thank you so much for posting this link. It is my understanding that Maybe now the City will stop the spin about this subject. Downtown So now what will City Hall do with the big white elephant in the middle of the room known as the Manchester Inn? |
Posted By: greygoose
Date Posted: May 27 2012 at 4:02pm
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You are just a little ray of "sunshine". If I had an attitude like yours, I don't think that I would get out of bed in the morning. Its like you are rooting for bad things to happen to the city.
How can you possibly know if a culinary school will come to our city or not. You can't! |
Posted By: tomahawk35
Date Posted: May 27 2012 at 11:13pm
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Her attitude is spot on, it's these goofy ones that thinks this dump of a town is moving forward. I have lived in many towns in the US and this town is the worst of the worst.
I know, why don't I move, well just like I tell anyone who says that buy my house and I will dance out of this dump.
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Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: May 30 2012 at 4:28pm
Thatcher family establishes
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Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: May 30 2012 at 4:41pm
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Greygoose -You are just a little ray of "sunshine". If I had an attitude like yours, I don't think that I would get out of bed in the morning. Its like you are rooting for bad things to happen to the city. How can you possibly know if a culinary school will come to our city or not. You can't! No, I’m not rooting for bad things to happen to the city…they have already occurred. Ask any business person in this town and they will tell you the same thing. Where will the needed restoration money for the Manchester Inn come from? |
Posted By: greygoose
Date Posted: May 31 2012 at 5:17pm
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Viv,
I have no idea where the funding would come from but I wouldn't and couldn't honestly make the statement "Middletown will NOT be getting a culinary school". Who knows, maybe Mr. Thatcher's estate will fund it. In my personal opinion, there are better options than the Manchester. It would cost too much to renovate. |
Posted By: 409
Date Posted: Jun 12 2012 at 10:11pm
From MJ:
Cincinnati State to offer co-op program at Middletown campusBy http://www.middletownjournal.com/services/staff/332293.html - Eric Schwartzberg , Staff Writer 8:39 PM Tuesday, June 12, 2012 When it opens this August, Cincinnati State’s Middletown campus will have ways for area businesses to build their workforce and keep current employees up-to-date in their fields. The downtown campus will offer co-op programs for students and businesses in various fields, including humanities and science, business technologies, health and public safety and its Center for Innovative Technologies. “Co-op really is the cornerstone of what we do at Cincinnati State,” said Andrea Feld, co-op coordinator for Cincinnati State’s Center for Innovative Technologies . “From day one, co-op was built into the curriculum and really an essential part of the learning and certainly of the degree. Students coming out of the program ... have actual, real live work experience to list on their resume as a graduate.” A co-op is a way to try out an employee in a low-risk manner, Feld said. Co-ops are paid positions where businesses are the instructors and the workplace is the classroom. “If things don’t work out, then you’re not in the position where it’s going to cost you to do this all over again,” she said. “When it does work out, everybody benefits.” Joe Roberts, Cincinnati State’s business technologies co-op coordinator, said the co-op program allows businesses to find students who are technically trained and full of energy. “We have a whole population of students of different ... needs and wants,” he said. “You get a chance to look at all of them and you may find that diamond in the rough.” The college also will use its Workforce Development Center to develop a customized workforce training program for a company’s employees, including industry-accepted certificates to increase sales and productivity. The center will identify course and program offerings to keep managers and employees current and competitive. “We’re thrilled to come up to Middletown,” said Dennis Ulrich, the center’s executive director. “I think everyone agrees that this is a great economic engine to bring Cincinnati State up and be the spark plug to fire up the area again and bring students and businesses and organizations to Middletown.” Andy Veldhuis, a recruiter for E Technologies Group, said Cincinnati State Middletown’s offerings are “great for Butler County.” “I think it’s really important that we develop a work force,” he said. “This gives kids coming out of high school an opportunity to develop some real skills.” |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Jun 13 2012 at 6:20am
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Sounds like a logical program to offer. Not a new program. They do this at the high school level don't they?
"When it opens this August, Cincinnati State’s Middletown campus will have ways for area businesses to build their workforce and keep current employees up-to-date in their fields". August is coming quickly. What's the latest enrollment figures? Haven't heard anything from Cincy State Middletown as to commitments so far. Wonder if they'll have 200 by opening day? Received an advertisement in the mail promoting CS and dates to sign up for classes. |
Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Jun 13 2012 at 6:31am
------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012 |
VietVet wrote:Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Jun 13 2012 at 11:28am
No classes listed. Just time and dates to sign up for classes. It was in post card form. |
Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: Jun 13 2012 at 11:33am
| Maybe at registration there simply be Monte Hall and Door #1, #2, and #3. |
Posted By: swohio75
Date Posted: Jun 13 2012 at 1:06pm
Last enrollment count I read was 80. But that's been weeks ago.
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Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Jun 13 2012 at 5:33pm
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Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Jun 15 2012 at 4:13pm
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Dear Cincinnati State Middletown Community Relations Committee: Many times I have been asked for a list of course and degrees being offered in Middletown and the document attached is comprehensive (and nice looking). This should be available shortly (if not already) at the Fast Track Saturdays and other events in Middletown where Cincinnati State has a presence. http://mail.aol.com/36451-111/aol-6/en-us/mail/get-attachment.aspx?uid=28396343&folder=OldMail&partId=5&saveAs=middletown_8_5x11_viewbook_6142012.pdf - http://mail.aol.com/36451-111/aol-6/en-us/mail/get-attachment.aspx?uid=28396343&folder=OldMail&partId=5&saveAs=middletown_8_5x11_viewbook_6142012.pdf large download
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Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Jun 16 2012 at 4:48am
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Food for thought……. |
Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: Jun 16 2012 at 10:39am
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May I ask a simple question? Why is anyone worrying or even caring of Cincinnati State has 20 or 20,000 students? You all know there are colleges and universities all around the area. MUM has a presence, so Cincinnati State has to elevate its game. Just because 20 students sign up, doesn't mean 20 students will stay for 2 years to earn an Associates degree. Who cares for God's sake. Public colleges and universities are non profits, they aren't in the business money. Everyone I have spoken is most upset and surprised culinary isn't coming...I thought that was PT's dream?. That was the crown jewel and that will be in Cincinnati. A little uplift assistance in tuition as a lost leader isn't going to sustain 3500 students. What is it many are missing? The fact C State was just brought in to focus and shield all the $$$ being spent downtown. Middletown bought a franchise. Do you not realize how much competition in higher education there is between Blue Ash, Lebanon, and Dayon, let alone Cincinnati? You don't even have to take an ACT to get into MUM, same for C State. That's why that fast track enrollemnt is nothing but being a warm body, a GED, and you are in. Just like MUM. You don't have to nail a 33 on the ACT to get into MUM. You don't even to have it on file or take it. The standards are low. That's there purpose. To set the hook, that gives a kid a chance, to knock out 20 credit hrs, to then transfer over to Oxford. Can we ll please stop the Mission Impossible measurement as to when 3500 or 5000 students will be enrolled. They won't. They are vacuuming up a few that quit before, trying round 2. But until I see 500 PhD's moving in town, with incomes of > $150,000. and ready to buy houses, who cares! Gee....this is getting old. Middletown bought a franchise, C State prints brochures, and students decide if they are going to take a class, need a class, and if State is better than UC Blue Ash, elsewhere. But you know what? It sure has made MUM defensive. They are wasting so much taxpayer money on watering their lawn that now looks like a golf fairway, (hmmm....maybe they are making a golf course on their lawn), everyone should b asking who is paying that water bill. They keep their sprinkler on 24/7 all over campus. Middletown must be loving that cash cow, or maybe the city gave them a break, and MUM thinks they retain students because their grass is greener, than the asphlat and crumbling rock downtown. You know the saying---the grass is always greener on the other side. MUM is testing the hypothesis. You must drive by, and you'd swear their grass all over camus (and the wasted water), is all golf fairways. Is the US Open being played there? Hey sj, the doc on House and his Blues Copper Band coming to MUM Au 23, that will be a good gig. Let it go on C State numbers. You are chasing the tail wagging. It wasn't about student numbers, its about $$$ flowing into Main, and that's the franchise in action churning fed $$$. What the heck...all C State does is print out ads and pay for radio commercials that aren't working, let them. Well, I'm off with my sand wedge hitting 90 yards, all over the green, lush, front alwns of MUM, its public, and I'm planting 4 flags I got from Brown's Run groundskeeper to practice my chipping this grand FD weekend. Cheers! ------------- 'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill |
Posted By: greygoose
Date Posted: Jun 16 2012 at 6:10pm
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May I ask a simple question?
Why is anyone worrying or even caring of Cincinnati State has 20 or 20,000 students? You all know there are colleges and universities all around the area. MUM has a presence, so Cincinnati State has to elevate its game. Just because 20 students sign up, doesn't mean 20 students will stay for 2 years to earn an Associates degree. Who cares for God's sake. I care and don’t understand why a resident of Middletown wouldn’t care.Public colleges and universities are non profits, they aren't in the business money. Everyone I have spoken is most upset and surprised culinary isn't coming...I thought that was PT's dream?. It was his dream. I think that it will eventually come but the renovation costs at the Manchester couldn’t be cost justified at this time. .That was the crown jewel and that will be in Cincinnati. A little uplift assistance in tuition as a lost leader isn't going to sustain 3500 students. It will according to a third party consulting firm (an entity with no bias or ax to grind) . What is it many are missing? The fact C State was just brought in to focus and shield all the $$$ being spent downtown. Middletown bought a franchise.Yes. Do you not realize how much competition in higher education there is between Blue Ash, Lebanon, and Dayon, let alone Cincinnati? You don't even have to take an ACT to get into MUM, same for C State. That's why that fast track enrollemnt is nothing but being a warm body, a GED, and you are in. Just like MUM. You don't have to nail a 33 on the ACT to get into MUM. You don't even to have it on file or take it. The standards are low. That's there purpose. To set the hook, that gives a kid a chance, to knock out 20 credit hrs, to then transfer over to Oxford. I believe that their standards are different because it is not intended for your typical graduating high school senior. Many of their students are older, have a job and even a family. They are more concerned making a better living for themselves (and I applaud them for it). . Can we ll please stop the Mission Impossible measurement as to when 3500 or 5000 students will be enrolled. They won't. Not according to Maguire Associates, and they specialize in it .They are vacuuming up a few that quit before, trying round 2. But until I see 500 PhD's moving in town, with incomes of > $150,000. and ready to buy houses, who cares! I do. You don’t have to have a PhD and $150K income to be a contributing citizen.. Gee....this is getting old. Middletown bought a franchise, C State prints brochures, and students decide if they are going to take a class, need a class, and if State is better than UC Blue Ash, elsewhere. But you know what? It sure has made MUM defensive. They are wasting so much taxpayer money on watering their lawn that now looks like a golf fairway, (hmmm....maybe they are making a golf course on their lawn), everyone should b asking who is paying that water bill. They keep their sprinkler on 24/7 all over campus. Middletown must be loving that cash cow, or maybe the city gave them a break, and MUM thinks they retain students because their grass is greener, than the asphlat and crumbling rock downtown. You know the saying---the grass is always greener on the other side. MUM is testing the hypothesis. You must drive by, and you'd swear their grass all over camus (and the wasted water), is all golf fairways. Is the US Open being played there? Hey sj, the doc on House and his Blues Copper Band coming to MUM Au 23, that will be a good gig. Let it go on C State numbers. You are chasing the tail wagging. It wasn't about student numbers, its about $$$ flowing into Main I’m OK with that too., and that's the franchise in action churning fed $$$. What the heck...all C State does is print out ads and pay for radio commercials that aren't working, let them. Well, I'm off with my sand wedge hitting 90 yards, all over the green, lush, front alwns of MUM, its public, and I'm planting 4 flags I got from Brown's Run groundskeeper to practice my chipping this grand FD weekend. Cheers! ------------- "If you always do what you always did, you'll always get what you always got" |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Jun 17 2012 at 8:25am
Creating job skills goal of
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Jun 17 2012 at 9:09am
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Mr. Pitman and the Journal are really pumping the sunshine aren't they? Never ending saga on the development of CS. To date, 142, ehh? Initial goal of 200 by August........might make it. Long term goal of 3500 over 5 years, right?......umm, might be a stretch. The kids don't appear to be beating down the doors to attend, do they?
Like the downtown development, time will tell whether the city leader's plans have any credibility with their CS idea. One thing for sure......doesn't seem to be any question concerning support for Mulligan, Kohler and other notable characters in this town in having their area receive special attention....... gas lights, new pavement....and not enough people to object to stop them. Not enjoyable to watch all of this develop as the majority of city residents are left out.....again. |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Jun 29 2012 at 2:40am
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Posted By: TonyB
Date Posted: Jun 29 2012 at 7:56am
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Guaranteed if Cincinnati State takes a loss on the downtown branch this year, it will be closed! |
Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: Jun 29 2012 at 9:00am
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TonyB, you have made many excellent points to date. On this one, I disagree. And only because Cincinnati State has so little invested. The city purchased in essence a franchise for C State. HEP is buying the infrastructure. The curriculum and manner the 'hybrid' course has been discussed, it is difficult to determine how much, if any, class time will be in Middletown. Therefore, I cannot see thi being much of a driver of anything significant downtown. Because State schools are of course, not in the business to make money, and C State invested little to nothing, they'll probably keep this moving forward for 3-5 years. It also reflects as Dr. Owens stated early in the game, that they had no money to expend, that the deal was entirely on Middletown and HEP. If Middletown and HEP can make it happen, C State will provide the classes. I was in Harrison last weekend, and C State has a very nice aeronautical school at the local airport associated with aircraft maintenance and repair. I would encourage the city to offer that program at Hook Field. That is a program with some teeth, the others---too much 'me too' with MUM.
------------- 'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill |
Posted By: swohio75
Date Posted: Jun 29 2012 at 11:09am
That's a great idea!
For informational purposes only, there is a recent TV Middletown Cafe episode featuring the man in charge of the CS Middletown campus if anyone wants more details.
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Posted By: TonyB
Date Posted: Jun 29 2012 at 1:28pm
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acclaro, that's why I say they'll close if they lose money, because they have so little invested. While it won't really help their bottom line all that much, it will appear to trustees that they are trying to keep their costs contained. HEP can walk away and leave Middletown holing the bag on the entire deal. Maybe they won't close if they lose money the first year but if they under perform for 3 years, it will definitely go the way of the dinosaur! |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Jul 02 2012 at 6:10am
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From todays Middletown Journal
Texas-based Metal Coaters is making $18 million worth of renovation and interior improvements to its metal coil coating plant at 2400 Yankee Road, Hamet said. Cincinnati State’s office renovation of 2 Main Street is scheduled to be completed this summer at a cost of $3.5 million.
Where did this 3.5 million dollar number come from for the CG&E building?? |
Posted By: greygoose
Date Posted: Jul 02 2012 at 8:43am
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Ms. Viv,
If I'm not mistaken, these funds would be provided by the developer, the Massachusetts-based "Higher Education Partners". GG ------------- "If you always do what you always did, you'll always get what you always got" |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Jul 02 2012 at 8:05pm
So the city is not taking the hit this time by providing the 3.5 mil rehab money.....HEP is. Ok, wonder what the agreement is between CS and HEP that would lock CS in and allow HEP to recoup it's money? HEP just isn't going to throw 3.5 mil into a building for a temporary occupancy of CS for a few years and call it a good investment, right? |
Posted By: greygoose
Date Posted: Jul 04 2012 at 5:18pm
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So the city is not taking the hit this time by providing the 3.5 mil rehab money.....HEP is. Ok, wonder what the agreement is between CS and HEP that would lock CS in and allow HEP to recoup it's money? HEP just isn't going to throw 3.5 mil into a building for a temporary occupancy of CS for a few years and call it a good investment, right?
VietVet, I can’t begin to tell you that I know the content of their agreement. I would assume that they have as much protection as Cincinnati State was willing to give them and my guess is that it was minimal. My assumption is that HEP is making their investment based upon the numbers provided by the third party consulting firm as to the school’s probability of success (which was good). My “feel” on the situation is that Cincinnati State’s involvement was contingent upon their risk being “almost” non-existent. GG ------------- "If you always do what you always did, you'll always get what you always got" |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Jul 16 2012 at 4:08pm
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LEGISLATION ITEM 4 RESOLUTION NO. R2012-18 A RESOLUTION TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO APPROPRIATIONS FOR CURRENT EXPENSES AND OTHER EXPENDITURES OF THE CITY OF COUNTIES OF ENDING FUND & DOWNTOWN FUND) NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED by the City Council of the City of Section 1 The following sums are hereby appropriated from the East End Fund of the City to accounts of the City for the purposes herein described as follows: FROM: Unappropriated East End Fund (Fund #480) $729,051.00 TOTAL EAST END FUND $729,051.00 TO: Accounts of 990 (480.990.54400) $729,051.00 Section 2 The following sums are hereby appropriated from the Downtown Improvement Fund of the City to accounts of the City for the purposes herein described as follows: FROM: Unappropriated Downtown Improvement Fund (Fund #481) $35,000.00 TO: Accounts of: 600 $25,000.00 603 $ 7,000.00 TOTAL DOWNTOWN IMPROVEMENT FUND $35,000.00 604 $ 3,000.00 Section 3 The Director of Finance is hereby authorized to draw his warrants on the City Treasurer for payments from any of the foregoing appropriations upon receiving proper certificates and vouchers therefore, approved by the Board of Officers authorized by law to approve the same, or an ordinance or resolution of the City Council to make expenditures provided that no warrants shall be drawn or paid for salaries or wages except to persons employed by authority of and in accordance with law or ordinance. Section 4 All legislation inconsistent herewith is hereby repealed. Section 5 This resolution is declared to be an emergency measure necessary for the immediate preservation of the public health, safety and general welfare, to wit: to assure that sufficient monies are appropriated to meet anticipated expenses from these funds for the remainder of the present year. __________________________________ Adopted: __________________________ Attest: ______________________________ Clerk of the City Council H:/law/leg/2012 leg/r Approp East End & Downtown Funds.doc For the Business Meeting of S T A F F R E P O R T TO: Judy Gilleland, City Manager FROM: Denise Hamet, Economic Development Director PURPOSE To authorize a supplemental appropriation of $35,000 to the Downtown Improvement Fund, #481. BACKGROUND and FINDINGS The Downtown Improvement fund budget includes ongoing building maintenance, property tax, and related costs. Last year, when we budgeted for these buildings, we agreed to mothball the 1. We will see funds going back into the account when our property tax exemption requested is approved. A representative of the Butler County Property Tax Auditor confirmed our documents are being processed, and that we should be able to achieve exemption for the buildings and a refund of taxes paid (excluding special assessments) Downtown Improvement Fund Supplemental Appropriation Request relating to the period occurring since purchase. This will probably occur sometime in the remainder of the year. 2. We have requested Higher Education Partners (HEP) to put the utilities in their name. Our current proposal to HEP is to transfer the utilities as of 3. We will deposit into the account the payments for the building purchased by HEP. The closure of the sale is anticipated to occur soon. The current agreement with HEP calls for the payment of the $200,000 will be completed by ALTERNATIVES None. OTHER CONSIDERATIONS None. The unappropriated balance in the Downtown Improvement Fund will be reduced by $35,000. FINANCIAL IMPACT RECOMMENDATION Staff recommends City Council approve the Supplemental Appropriation to the Downtown Improvement Fund (fund number 481) in the amount of $35,000. CONFORMITY TO CITY POLICY This project is consistent with the City’s 2005 Master Plan and falls under Objective ED2: “Establish an economic development entity with the authority and accountability to effectively attract and retain jobs and businesses”. EMERGENCY/NON EMERGENCY Emergency. We do not want to exceed the appropriated amount for the account. DEPARTMENTAL CLEARANCES Law Department Finance Department |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Jul 17 2012 at 7:07am
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After reading this resolution I find that for one of the few times in my life I’m speechless. Here is the link to the Downtown Fund 2012 http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ohcmiddl/DowntownFund-2012.htm - |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Jul 17 2012 at 11:20am
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Ms. Viv states.....
"Classes for Cincinnati State start in about 45 days. ….and now we are informed that we still DO NOT HAVE a signed contract for this deal and that City Hall is still paying the utility bills on this building while it is being remodeled. ….that City Hall will not receive payment until 2-15-2013?" So, for clarity, the city is allowing CS/HEP to occupy the former CG&E building, even though they haven't received payment for said premises. Occupancy of the building starts in 45 days with CS classes and the city will not receive any money for the sale of the building until Feb, 2013 AND, the city is paying utilities during the renovations, on a building that was "sold" to HEP? And how many out there would allow this to happen if they were handling this particular deal? No pay, no occupancy and we sure as hell aren't going to pay your utilities on a building you own. To date, has the city gotten anything out of this in their favor? |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Jul 17 2012 at 2:03pm
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To date, has the city gotten anything out of this in their favor? ..Vet Vet NO!....HEP nor Cincy State have invested one penny in this deal.
Why would you let CS-HEP start the restoration without a signed final contract and a check in the palm of your hand. I thought Ms Judy was to finish this deal in May? |
Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: Jul 17 2012 at 2:49pm
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If HEP had an ounce of business acumen, they would lease the buildings for three years from the city, and NEVER buy them, avoiding paying property tax. The city doesn't pay property tax, and that saves HEP cashflow, if they have a brain---maybe they do, maybe they don't. By awaiting until February, the city is allowing them enough time to claim their % of the revenue they take from the 100 students that will attend C State in the fall, if it is that many. I think it will be more like 70. Their break-even (BE) pt is 3500. HEP would be foolish to sign anything more than 3 years, and to only lease the buildings, never buy them. As the city continues to act like a landlord, their shift on the burden of the residential property owner increases. Nancy Nix gleefully helps the city out with their non taxable status, but its the residents whom absorb this extra tax burden in deficit. MEMO TO HEP: Your shareholders in pe don't want you buying buildings, lease them, let the city not pay taxes, you lease, and wait for 3 years to see how close you are to the 3500 BE position. ------------- 'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill |
Posted By: greygoose
Date Posted: Jul 17 2012 at 7:20pm
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I would be more than happy to allow someone to make $3,000,000.00 worth of improvements on my property without a contract. If they walk, the improvements are mine. I don't see the risk as unmanageable.
However, I would be really surprised if there aren't executed contracts at this point in the game. GG ------------- "If you always do what you always did, you'll always get what you always got" |
Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: Jul 18 2012 at 9:41am
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I believe if there is a delay, it is associated with the city obtaining the low interest rate loan through HUD for the improvements. The city may need to have it in their name until the work is completed to obtain the loans, and then pass it through to HEP. Either way, its not associated in the least HEP is resisting moving forward, its associated I assume, with the renovation stage.
------------- 'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Jul 18 2012 at 10:18am
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Acclaro |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Jul 18 2012 at 10:31am
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BTW did you notice that not one City Council Member said a word about transferring another $35,000 into the Dontown Fund to cover the expenses of the CS-HEP project? |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Jul 20 2012 at 1:29pm
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Posted: 12:16 p.m. Friday, July 20, 2012 Board of regents OKs new Cincy State health degree
Staff Report CINCINNATI — The Ohio Board of Regents has given Cincinnati State Technical & Community College approval to offer an associate’s degree in http://www.middletownjournal.com/news/news/local/board-of-regents-oks-new-cincy-state-health-degree/nPzBb/## - That action marks a final step in the development of a program that is designed to meet employer needs in what is projected by the U.S. Department of Labor to be an area of high
demand, according to the school. The program — which will start this fall — will provide graduates with the necessary skills to find positions in hospitals, health care systems, physicians’ offices, pharmaceutical and
biotechnology companies, insurance and managed care providers and other providers. It will also be integrated with a Health Information Technology program offered at Miami University’s branch campuses, so that students might pursue a bachelor’s degree in the same field. http://www.middletownjournal.com/news/news/local/board-of-regents-oks-new-cincy-state-health-degree/nPzBb/## -
The new health program will be offered in online, and in traditional and hybrid classroom formats. It will also be available at its new Middletown campus which classes start Aug. 29.
“This is a good example of how we want Ohio’s higher education system to work for students, families and business,” said Board of Regents Chancellor Jim Petro. “There will clearly be a demand
for trained workers at all levels in the health information technology field. Cincinnati State and Miami University are working together to offer the necessary education and training in a smart, cost-effective way.” Cincinnati State President O’dell Owens said the new http://www.middletownjournal.com/news/news/local/board-of-regents-oks-new-cincy-state-health-degree/nPzBb/## - “We need whole new skill sets to support the medical professional today,” he said. “At the same time, we’re finding that our students have different approaches to learning those skills.”
The program, co-chaired by Cincinnati State faculty Bob Nields and Cindy Kneip, will offer two majors: Healthcare Programming and Systems Analysis and Healthcare Informatics.
“This is an exciting program for us because while it builds on our historic strengths, it’s a new field with enormous growth potential,” said Monica Posey, Cincinnati State Academic Vice President.
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Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Jul 21 2012 at 2:53pm
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From The Cincinnati Enquirer: Spending decisions
irk Cincy State staff Teachers: Administrative
costs have gotten too high CLIFTON — O’dell Owens said he
needed to spend more to build up student retention, marketing and information
technology at Cincinnati State Technical & Community College. But that has him at odds
with teachers who see administrative spending going up and faculty spending on
the decline. “Cincinnati State needed
some people in different spots,” Owens said. “I’ve been very conscious about
the people we’ve hired.” In the two years since
Owens left the Hamilton County coroner’s job to become president of Cincinnati
State, administrative spending has jumped 14.5 percent to a budgeted $8 million
for the 2013 fiscal year that started July 1. Spending on support staff
also has increased, including the low-level hiring of Owens’ daughter. During
the same period, spending on full-time teachers dropped 3.5 percent to $14.4
million. The numbers come at a
critical time for Cincinnati State. The college already is cutting about $7.3
million to balance this year’s budget, in part by freezing 27 open positions. If enrollment drops more
this fall, more cuts will be needed. Enrollment this spring was 10,168, down 7
percent from the same period last year. Owens said he has
approved five new faculty jobs for humanities alone. But after a bitter strike
by faculty in 2011, teachers take exception to increasing administrative
spending. “I really do think you
know something about an organization’s priorities by the way it works the
budget,” said Geoff Woolf, chairman of the English and Literature Department
and chief negotiator for the American Association of University Professors
chapter. “I’m not opposed to the college doing what it has to do to be a
flexible, stable organization, but there has to be a sense of balance.” The buildup is not a
surprise. Even before Owens took over at Cincinnati State in September 2010, he
announced plans to build up marketing and retention programs to try to raise
the college’s profile and keep more students on campus. “The faculty’s always
going to have concerns,” Owens said. “They do care about the academics and they
would like to see more full-time faculty positions.” Hires on the
administrative side include: • $144,000 a year for
Chief Information Officer David Hickey in February. The college currently hires
an outside firm for those services and will save about $125,000 this year by
bringing that in-house, it says. “Everything we do in this
school gets touched by IT,” Owens said. “How do you have a school that’s moving
to more online courses without a vice president of IT?” • $97,000 a year for
Martino Harmon, the new executive director of student retention, in May. Owens
said improving the 46 percent first-year retention rate is his top priority. Harmon’s salary is
covered by federal money coming with a huge grant from the Labor Department. “I’ve said I want to
orient the budget around retention,” Owens said. “By holding onto more
students, I’m effectively recruiting more students.” • Local celebrity chef
Jean-Robert de Cavel was hired before Owens arrived at $100,000 a year as
chef-in-residence at Cincinnati State’s Midwest Culinary Institute. Owens has
cut his salary to $60,000 but says the visibility is well worth it. “I look at Jean-Robert as
part of marketing,” Owens said. “He’s part of the brand.” • Owens’ daughter Morgan
also was hired May 2011 as a coordinator in Cincinnati State’s marketing
department at $38,000 a year. Owens said he did not even know his
daughter, a Miami University graduate, had applied for a job and once he was
told about it he sought an opinion to make sure it didn’t violate Cincinnati
State’s policies. ------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012 |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Jul 21 2012 at 3:56pm
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The City of |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Jul 21 2012 at 5:59pm
Gonna start classes in Sept or Oct? Only 120 students so far? Projected start up number was what, 500 or is that too high? Kinda lagging behind on almost every item Viv has listed. Think it will all come together in time? Or, is this going to be another city attempt at fostering failure because it wasn't thought out thoroughly? Another city "knee-jerk" attempt at doing something to breath life into a dormant downtown (and, the real reason..... maintain property values at the Mulligan and Kohler estates of course)  Is this destined to go the way of Lake Middletown, Bicentennial Commons, City Centre Mall, and all the other clusters the city leaders have come up with?
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Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: Jul 21 2012 at 6:47pm
the real reason..... maintain property values at the Mulligan and Kohler estates of course) 
------------- 'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Jul 25 2012 at 6:22am
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Today's Journal...update on CS....
Cincy State ready to move in next month CINCINNATI — One month out from opening its first branch campus in Butler County, Cincinnati State Technical & Community College officials say they are right on track. School officials are set to move into the Cincinnati State Middletown building at 1 N. Main St. by Aug. 14 — a date that’s been revised since the city of Middletown and school signed contracts with contractor and school financier Higher Education Partners. Some items are being moved into the building’s second floor, said Carla Chance, Cincinnati State executive vice president of facilities to the school’s board of trustees Tuesday afternoon. And over the next few weeks, more items will be gradually moved in. “We are where we need to be by the end of July,” she said. And while moving into the buidling is on target, enrollment is ahead of schedule, said Cincinnati State Director of Admissions Gabriele Brockermann The school has reached its Aug. 1 goal of 100 admitted students a week ahead of schedule, Brockermann said. As of July 24, she said 103 have been admitted and 95 have registered. Wait a minute!.....perhaps our first glitch.... Though the goal is 100 shy of the school’s 200 students enrolled by Aug. 29, school officials believe they’ll achieve it, said Jean Manning, vice president of Marketing and Communications. “Historically speaking, August is your busiest month with enrollments because so many people wait till the last minute (to enroll),” she said. “We think it’s going extremely well, and with the help of all the Middletown community we look for great success,” said Cincinnati State board of trustee President Cathy Crain We shall see, MS. Crain, we shall see. Now, a hundred kids in that big old ex-CG&E building is going to look a bit deserted, isn't it? Forget the other two mothballed buildings or the Manchester. Looks like the city will be the owners on those for years to come. What about the old Seniors Center? When shall we see that put to good use? Admin. offices down the road perhaps? 3500 kids looks a long way off about now, doesn't it? |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Jul 25 2012 at 8:09am
Cincy State ready to move in next month
By http://www.middletownjournal.com/staff/michael-d-pitman/ - - Michael D. Pitman CINCINNATI — And as much as a buzz that’s been created since Cincinnati State signed its contract with Higher Education Partners — and the city sold the building to HEP — there’s been an equal amount of excitement of the board. |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Jul 25 2012 at 8:41am
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Vet In the early stages of this deal City Hall stated that more than 500 Middletown students were attending CS-Cinn Campus and they projected that that would be the start up enrollment at CS-Middletown Campus. Then about a year ago the number changed to 200.
CS-HEP are only going to remodel three floors of the CG&E building for the Aug 2012 startup. All other improvements on the buildings will be completed as the enrollment increases over the coming years. We still do not know how many of the 103 students will be online students. Don’t forget that CS-HEP said 3,500 students is the break ever number for this project. City Hall has millions of dollars invested in this deal with no break even number in sight…. |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Jul 25 2012 at 10:32am
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CITY MANAGER’S REPORT Some members of staff and I toured the facility last week. Many improvements have been made to the building that will bring modern classrooms to downtown. The Construction is scheduled to be completed sometime in the next month.
The Ohio Board of Regents has given That action marks a crucial final step in the development of a program that is designed to meet employer needs in what is projected by the U.S. Department of Labor to be an area of high demand. The program at It will also be integrated with a Health Information Technology program offered at “This is a good example of how we want Cincinnati State President O’dell M. Owens, a physician, said the new degree program – and the way it will be taught – demonstrates how information technology is changing both medicine and education. “We need whole new skill sets to support the medical professional today,” Dr. Owens said. “At the same time, we’re finding that our students have different approaches to learning those skills.” The Health Information Technology program at The program, co-chaired by Healthcare Programming and Systems Analysis. This will focus on the application of software development and analysis within the health care industry, and train graduates for jobs as software developers or analysts who support healthcare software applications. Healthcare Informatics. This will provide students with the knowledge and skills to understand, “mine,” analyze, report and support healthcare data throughout the continuum of care. “This is an exciting program for us because while it builds on our historic strengths, it’s a new field with enormous growth potential,” said Dr. Monica Posey, Academic Vice President at Because of its long history of placing students in clinical rotations, and because of its work with the Health Careers Collaborative of Greater Cincinnati, Dr. Posey said, faculty and staff at the College have maintained a solid understanding of workforce demands and the technological changes that are transforming the industry. In particular, she said, national and regional studies show that the industry is moving rapidly to incorporate new development in the information technology field into both clinical care and efforts at cost-effectiveness, improved patient access to their records and the like. According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, she noted, employment in the health information technology area is projected to increase by approximately 20 percent through 2018. Research cited by the Regents suggests that salaries for workers in starting positions have potential to be between $34,000 and $44,000 annually. Dr. Posey said initial enrollment is projected at approximately 25 full-time and 20 part-time students. Both the |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Jul 25 2012 at 11:49am
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CITY MANAGER’S REPORT
July 25, 2012 The construction on the Cincinnati State project is in progress and looking great! Some members of staff and I toured the facility last week. Many improvements have been made to the building that will bring modern classrooms to downtown. The Construction is scheduled to be completed sometime in the next month. I'M SURE IT LOOKS SPIFFY MS. GILLELAND. WITH 103 KIDS SO FAR AND PERHAPS 10 OR SO CLASSROOMS, NOT TO MENTION THE KIDS THAT WILL NOT BE ATTENDING, PREFERRING TO DO CLASSES ON-LINE, IT'S GONNA LOOK A LITTLE DESOLATE IN THOSE CLASSROOMS, ISN'T IT? WHAT, PERHAPS A 3:1 STUDENT/ TEACHER RATIO PER CLASS? THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE MORE INTEREST THAN THAT BY NOW. THIS IS ALOT OF SELF-PROMOTION AND HIGH HOPES FOR SUCH A SLOW START. I'D BE A TAD BIT CONCERNED IF I WERE THE CS PEOPLE, HEP AND THE CITY. BEST CASE SCENARIO FOR THEM AT THIS POINT IS THAT THEY COME OUT OF THIS WITH EGG ON THEIR FACE. WORST CASE, OF COURSE, IS THE MONEY EXPENDITURE ISSUES. HOPE IT PICKS UP FOR THEM. OTHERWISE....... |
Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: Jul 25 2012 at 1:16pm
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It will be great when they come. ------------- 'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Jul 25 2012 at 1:57pm
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Acclaro |
Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: Jul 25 2012 at 3:50pm
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It will be great when they come.. ------------- 'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill |
Posted By: Stanky
Date Posted: Jul 25 2012 at 6:56pm
| I'm confused. Who is paying the renovation costs to the building? I thought that was HEP? |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Jul 25 2012 at 8:22pm
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Stanky |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Jul 27 2012 at 9:13am
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NEWS FLASH!!!! |
Posted By: arwendt
Date Posted: Jul 27 2012 at 1:22pm
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That might explain why I seldom see anyone in there actually working. ------------- “Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power.” Benjamin Franklin - More at my http://wordsoffreedom.wordpress.com/ - Words of Freedom website. |
Posted By: Middletown29
Date Posted: Jul 28 2012 at 5:03pm
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You folks, Vivian et al are goofs.
The work is nearly finished. Why don't you belly achIng MUSA posters get a life. You are all such a bore? |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Jul 28 2012 at 6:19pm
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Middletown29 - You folks, Vivian et al are goofs. All this while City Council is telling the public
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Jul 28 2012 at 6:43pm
Midd29.....the resident agitator on the forum. A master at stirring the pot, attempting to take everyone's blood pressure up a notch. Not gonna work. If we are such boring people here, why do you stay in touch? If you don't approve of what we say here, why waste your time? Read the Journal for your information. They seem to publish only good news (and what they are told to print by the MMF and their hand puppets). Good luck with that by the way. Your interests are better served hanging out with the "intellectuals" running the city. You enjoy defending the city people don't you. A sad thing to see in a person..... resistant to facts, unable to see reality and fed crap while enjoying the taste......just like all the other fools who follow the inner circle nonsense. |
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Jul 28 2012 at 10:09pm
I'm still stuck on the $169,000 to recruit 100 students. That is almost $17,000 per student. Didn't CS think to send a Marketing representative to all the local High Schools to do some recruiting? This would have probably only costs in the area of $5,000-$7,000. PACMAN  |
Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: Jul 29 2012 at 9:17am
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At a major University, lets say UC or Miami, it is not unrealistic to have 100 students in one online class, with the professor living at home, maybe on campus once a week, in Cincinnati or Oxford. Lets take those 100 students and the cost. They have each taken different classes, different majors. So, they will have, lets say, 15 different classes, maybe 3-5 if they are lucky, taking the same class, in other words, the curriculum is diluted. So, do you think Cincinnati State is going to bring 10-20 professors up to Middletown, to teach 3-5 students in a class? So, do the students enrolled in Middletown really drive to Cincinnati where the combination makes economic sense, or are the 100 forced to take a core class, maybe English Composition, online, with a prof popping in once a quarter. That's the addional overhead consideration for Cincinnati State. Another one bites the dust, and another one bites the dust, Another one....another one...bites the dust. ------------- 'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Jul 29 2012 at 11:28am
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Cincy State on track for August opening Staff Writer MIDDLETOWN — When Cincinnati State Middletown opens next month, school officials are confident they’ll meet their 200-plus student http://www.middletownjournal.com/news/news/local/cincy-state-on-track-for-august-opening/nP5hg/## - As of Thursday, 101 students have been admitted (and 95 of those students have already registered) into the Middletown branch of Cincinnati State Technical & Community College, and 204 applications
are in the process to be reviewed. The downtown location is currently undergoing renovations and officials hope to have staff moved in on August 14.
Because of Cincinnati State Middletown’s Fast Track Saturdays — the one-stop-shop to complete the admissions process in a day — “we expect a very, very high percentage of them to be admitted,
” said Cincinnati State spokeswoman Jean Manning of the pending applicants. “We are hitting all of our benchmarks, and we are anticipating that we will be at our goals,” she said. “We’re helping them to push through the admissions process very quickly.”
The new campus for Cincinnati State — which is Butler County’s first community college — will expand the access to higher education, said Jeff Ortega, Ohio Association of Community Colleges
director of public affairs. “This is a major initiative for Cincinnati State,” he said. “ This campus will be such a benefit and resource for the people and students in the Middletown area.”
Most of the students being admitted to Cincinnati State Middletown will enter either the pre-business administration or http://www.middletownjournal.com/news/news/local/cincy-state-on-track-for-august-opening/nP5hg/## -
While there are solid numbers of admitted and prospective students, Manning said how many teachers will be needed is not as clear yet.
“Until we have everyone admitted and registered, and we know how many course sections we need to fill, we won’t have a complete number,” she said.
The number of full-time and adjunct professors won’t be known until closer to the opening date, Manning said. The school is still receiving a lot of applications from people in the Middletown
area seeking a teaching position. Many support and administrative staffing hires are in place, however, Manning said. To date, there are 11 full-time and four part-time positions that have been filled, including the director and
assistant director of the Middletown campus. Though the complete staffing levels won’t be finalized until next month, how much will be spent on personnel was approved by the Cincinnati State board of trustees last month when they adopted
the fiscal year 2013 budget. More than $1.2 million is expected to be spent on personnel at the Middletown campus, and nearly 40 percent will be spent on the faculty. Most of the faculty will be adjunct, or part-time,
teachers. Nearly 32 percent of the projected personnel budget — the largest portion of the projected personnel budget — is planned for adjunct faculty. The projected Cincinnati State Middletown budget shows school officials anticipate $1.55 million in revenues for the first school year. The school is projected to bring in more than $900,000
in tuition and fees and more than $460,000 for its workforce development programming. That is 89.5 percent of the projected revenues in the first school year at Cincinnati State Middletown. Cincinnati State Middletown budget Cincinnati State’s board of trustees recently approved its fiscal year 2013 budget. Here’s Cincinnati State Middletown’s budget:
Total Revenues $1,550,685.00 Total Personnel Expenditures $1,202,343.00 Total Operating Expenditures $274,500.00 Source: Cincinnati State Technical & Community College FY 2013 budget |
Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: Jul 29 2012 at 12:08pm
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Enough already!!!! Fast-tracking an application? If you breath, and have graduated with a GED, or high school diploma, you are accepted, no ACT required. MUM exactly same. Not quite Harvard standards. $900,000 in revenue divided by 200 students equals $4500 per student. Average cost per course is $700, so typical student takes 5 classes a year, and about 3.5 yrs to graduate with a two year degree. How many drop out after a semester (Ohio now off quarter hrs, all semester)? First community college in Butler Cty? I thought MUM and MUH had been around for 3-4 decades, with two yar associates degree programs. More individyals applying for adjunct professor titles than students, ratio 10X. Next. ------------- 'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Jul 30 2012 at 6:13am
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"The projected Cincinnati State Middletown budget shows school officials anticipate $1.55
million in revenues for the first school year. The school is projected to bring in more than $900,000 in tuition and fees and more than $460,000 for its workforce development programming. That is 89.5 percent of the projected revenues in the first school year at Cincinnati State Middletown" "The school is PROJECTED to bring in $900,000 in tuition and fees. Was this figured on the original 500 student enrollment or the now projected, but not met as yet, 200 students? Where does the figure stand if only 103 participate? Cincinnati State Middletown budget Cincinnati State’s board of trustees recently approved its fiscal year 2013 budget. Here’s Cincinnati State Middletown’s budget: Total Revenues $1,550,685.00 Total Personnel Expenditures $1,202,343.00 Total Operating Expenditures $274,500.00 Source: Cincinnati State Technical & Community College FY 2013 budget Kinda tight isn't it? No allowance for unseen expenses. |
Posted By: Middletown29
Date Posted: Jul 30 2012 at 6:44am
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Pacman
When starting a new program or product you are advertising to raise awareness of the new program/product and begin capturing market share. No advertising program pays for itself right a way Acclaro MUM and MUH are not "community colleges". |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Aug 01 2012 at 6:20am
Actually, if you were around in 1966, MUM was touted as a community college by the press, the city and the university. I was at the dedication in the Middletown Marching Band and attended the first year and a half it was open. |
Posted By: Middletown29
Date Posted: Aug 02 2012 at 6:31am
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Vet
MUM is not a community college regardless of what you might have heard in 1966. |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Aug 02 2012 at 9:32am
Ok Midd29. For the sake of putting too much into a discussion that means nothing in the overall scheme of things, I'll agree with you. The Journal, the city leaders and Miami U. were feeding all of us a load of crap back then. Fair enough. |
Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: Aug 02 2012 at 10:05am
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M29 is stuck on semantics. MUM is a community college. By definition, a community college offers up to an Associates Degree. MUM offers an Associates Degree, several disciplines. Cincinnati State is a community college. MUM also offers a BA/ BS, and Masters degrees, including the MBA. If you want an Associates Degree, there is no difference between Cincinnati State nor MUM. If you want a 4 year degree, only MU can provide that. Community colleges have been in Butker county for nearly 50 years. No more, no less, just facts.
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Posted By: Middletown29
Date Posted: Aug 02 2012 at 6:02pm
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MUM is a regional campus of Miami University not a community college as is Cincinnati State
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_Ohio |
Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: Aug 02 2012 at 6:11pm
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M29, MUM and MUH and MWC are really community college feeders into Miami Oxford. One can get an Associates Degree at MUM and MUH, just like Cincinnati State. I believe you miss the point----a community college focuses upon a two year Associates Degree. That's MUM and MUH. If the student prefers, they also can of course continue on, getting a 4 yr degree, just like UC Blue Ash and their other site an hr outside Clifton. And like Cincinnati State, all a students needs to do to be accepted at MUM or MUH, is a high school degree, or GED, no testing, no ACT, 2.0 GPA.
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Posted By: Marianne
Date Posted: Aug 03 2012 at 2:57pm
Actually, Acclaro, very few students relocate from MUM or MUH to MUO. It's a relatively low percentage (perhaps less than 20%?), so I wouldn't exactly call the Regionals feeder schools to MUO. |
Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: Aug 03 2012 at 4:16pm
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Good point Marianne. I know then, that small % are those that fast-track after the 20 hrs in a semester, that weren't accepted into MUO, to MUO, after a semester at MUM. 20 hrs, 2.0, and your in the big leagues at MUO, even with a 2.5 high school GPA, 20 ACT. It must be the fast trackers that move on to MUO. I believe MUM still offers associates degrees correct? ------------- 'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill |
Posted By: Middletown29
Date Posted: Aug 04 2012 at 7:42am
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acclaro
Moses could come down from the mountain and make a positive declaration about Middletown and you would pick at something or find fault in it some way. Why are you ALWAYS so negative? |
Posted By: Marianne
Date Posted: Aug 06 2012 at 10:58am
Acclaro, When students relocate varies significantly, so I think you're incorrect in your assumption. Some students might relocate after a year, but others only relocate after several years when they absolutely must in order to complete their four year degrees. Although some four year degrees can be completed at the Regionals, most offered by Miami require students to relocate. Those that relocate aren't necessarily students who didn't get accepted by MUO. In fact, I would bet that most students who do relocate to the Oxford campus weren't students who initially applied there. Also, students can take courses at the Oxford campus and still be Regional students. To answer your question: The Regionals offer a variety of degrees, including two year degrees, but there has been a significant effort to increase 4 year degree programs, and I imagine a situation in several years when more students earn 4 year degrees at the Regionals than 2 year degrees. It's not the case yet, but I believe it will be. |
Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: Aug 06 2012 at 1:58pm
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Thank you Marianne, I personally have the highest regard for MUM and MUH, and of course, Oxford, where I have six generations of direct grads, wife, father. grandfather, G-grandfather, et al. Compared to MUO's $1500 hr vs MUM 25--275. credit hr or so, can't beat the price difference. ------------- 'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Aug 09 2012 at 5:32pm
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Cincinnati State names its first director for Middletown campus Staff Writer MIDDLETOWN — Cincinnati State has named its first director for the downtown Middletown campus. Michael Chikeleze, associate dean in the Business Technologies Division at Cincinnati State Technical & Community College, will be the inaugural director of the campus. Middletown resident Judy Bober was named the assistant director. “We’re trying to work smart, and we’re trying to be good stewards of our resources,” said Cincinnati State President O’dell Owens. “We’re fortunate to have someone with Michael’s abilities in-house, and even more fortunate to have such a strong support staff to help him carry out his duties.” Initial enrollment at Middletown is expected to be around 200 students when it opens Aug. 29. There will be 13 associate degree programs and five certificate programs offered at Cincinnati State Middletown, as well as the school’s full range of online programs. In the next five years, school offiicials expect to have more than 3,000 at the downtown campus. Chikeleze was hired at Cincinnati State in 2007 as an instructor in Business and Law Management. Since 2009, he has served as associate dean in the Business Technology Division. He will continue to serve as associate dean at the main campus while he serves as the Middletown campus director, which he started this past Monday. Bober has been a job coach at Buckner Employment & Service Training, and before that she was the executive assistant to the late Perry Thatcher, the former Middletown businessman, philanthropist and city council member. Thatcher had envisioned Cincinnati State coming to Middletown before he died in 2010. Bober is also an advisory board member of Downtown Middletown YMCA, recording secretary for the Downtown Alliance and participates in a number of Middletown civic organizations. |
Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: Aug 09 2012 at 7:54pm
If I hear one more reference about Thatcher and his "vision":
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Posted By: Smartman
Date Posted: Aug 09 2012 at 8:42pm
| Nice bit of research Viv!!!! Those of us that get the paper read the article. Guess you have no opinion on the matter. |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Aug 10 2012 at 6:13am
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"Bober has been a job coach at Buckner Employment & Service Training, and before that she was the executive assistant to the late Perry Thatcher, the former Middletown businessman, philanthropist and city council member. Thatcher had envisioned Cincinnati State coming to Middletown before he died in 2010.
Bober is also an advisory board member of Downtown Middletown YMCA, recording secretary for the Downtown Alliance and participates in a number of Middletown civic organizations." OK, I'M READING BOBER'S CREDENTIALS AND I DON'T SEE WHERE HER EXPERIENCE MAKES HER A CANDIDATE AS AN ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR A COLLEGE CAMPUS. NOW, IS SHE REALLY QUALIFIED TO DO THE JOB IF THE DIRECTOR ISN'T AROUND OR IS THIS JUST A REWARD FOR THE CINCY STATE CONCEPT AND EXECUTION DUE TO HER INVOLVEMENT WITH THATCHER? BEING AN ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT FOR THATCHER, A JOB COACH AND A SECRETARY FOR AN ORGANIZATION AND AN ADVISORY BOARD MEMBER DOESN'T MEET THE CRITERIA FOR A CAMPUS DIRECTOR DOES IT? WILL THERE BE A POSITION FOR SHERRY GARRETT, THATCHER'S DAUGHTER, SOMEWHERE IN THE CINCY STATE HIERARCHY DOWN THE ROAD? DID BOBER HAVE ANY INVOLVEMENT WITH CINCY STATE PRIOR TO THE CAMPUS ANNOUNCEMENT? HOW WAS SHE CONSIDERED FOR THAT POSITION WITH THESE CREDENTIALS? |
Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Aug 10 2012 at 7:29am
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Vet--Ms.Bober is the perfect person for the position. She knows the building and the current area better than anyone, and has no real attacvhment to academia. Plus--she is local long-timer with an open ear and mind. She has all of your same concerns + a positive friendly approach. I couldn't be happier about this choice(esp since I recommended this to C St)
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Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: Aug 10 2012 at 8:53am
| I have to agree with Vet on this - knowing the building and current area, does not qualify you to be an asst director at a community college. If that is the case, there are a lot of individuals that qualify. What experience does she have with running a college and the issues that come with the job duties. Where is the experience in this field? What is her school background? I don't know Ms. Bober, but based on reading this article, it makes me wonder how she was appointed to this position. |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Aug 10 2012 at 9:17am
Respectfully disagree with you on this one Spider. Judging by the criteria you have listed for us, I would think she would be ideal as a recruiter for the college.....not a candidate to assist at the director level....IE- having the responsibility in running the whole operation. JMO |
Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Aug 10 2012 at 10:25am
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Let me clarify--I mentioned Ms.Bober as the top choice as a community, neighborhood and building liaison to the C St
Academia staffing. I doubt that she will be involved in the education aspect. While this may be a hire in respect to Mr.Thatcher(rip my friend-we need you now more than ever), Ms. Bober is absolutely a great fit into this project. Plus--she will be compensated by the college instead of the city. She is an outstanding and caring citizen who has a knowledge of the building beyond that of anyone else. If you knew her and more about her, you would probably agree. jmo |
Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: Aug 10 2012 at 1:08pm
| The hiring of Mrs. Bober doesn't matter to me but I don't think "knowledge of the building", unless we're talking about guided tours of a haunted house, means much of anything. I'm sure HEP figured out in a week or two anything that has to do with the building. |
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Aug 10 2012 at 7:31pm
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Spider, I don't get "Knowledge Of The Buidling" having anything to do with the qualifications for this job. I am Blind, Give me two weeks in that building and I'll have just as much knowledge as she does, does that mean I get the job?? Pacman |
Posted By: chmoore1
Date Posted: Aug 10 2012 at 11:39pm
| This is Room 101, and Room 201 is directly above. Room 102 is across the hall, and Room 202 is directly above. We don't use 301 or 302 yet. Here are the restrooms.... chmoore |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Aug 11 2012 at 4:29am
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City Manager’s Weekly Briefing Cincinnati State Technical and Community College Please join me in welcoming Jim Bax, our new Middletown Business Manager, who will join the Workforce Development Center on August 6th. Jim is a highly accomplished talent with extensive experience is proposing, selling and negotiating business contracts supporting a wide range of organizations. He has demonstrated success at achieving financial goals, leveraging key relationships and implementing process improvements to identify and secure new and substantive business opportunities. He has a strong track record in executing business proposals, projects and programs designed to develop and deliver training, licensing and certification services across organizations nationwide. Jim and his family reside in West Chester, Ohio having moved there from Washington, D.C. where he served as V.P. of Program Development for the International Code Council. Jim has a Bachelors of Business Administration from Boise State University, a Bachelors of Science in Journalism & Advertising from the University of Oregon, and a Masters of Business Administration from Ohio University. Please welcome Jim to the Cincinnati State family and wish him the best as he will play a key role in the successful launch of our new Middletown initiative. |
Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Aug 11 2012 at 7:17am
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This place can get somewhat negative and dense at times. Ms.Bober handled pretty much everything about the C St building before transfer and during the Thatcher era. She knows the structure, equipment, utility arrangements, locks/who has keys, alarms etc. Also the neighboring structures(now mostly owned by our city). Plus--she was a hire by a private entity(C St), which is their choice, negating pretty much any opinions from the public sector. Honestly none of our business about who they hire. Don't take for granted that HEP and C St know everything about what is happening quickly. Neither had any intention of replacing old hvache facility, even though the monthly bills run between $12,000 and $15,000. C St was floored by those figs. Ms.Bober gives a local connection to this project, which will matter largely, especially to Middletonians. Out of area academia can be very aloof and self-centered. They are here for education and operating within their structure. imo the local touch will be good. But that is jmo--I could be wrong
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Aug 11 2012 at 12:59pm
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Spider, I hate to belabor this topic but I don't know how else to respond to your comments. Again, with all due respect and no harm intended in my comments......
"This place can get somewhat negative and dense at times". NOT TRYING TO BE NEGATIVE. JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE CONNECTION BETWEEN MS. BOBER'S QUALIFICATIONS AND HOW THEY APPLY TO HER NEW POSITION AT CS. AGAIN, I DON'T SEE A CONNECTION BETWEEN HER KNOWING THE FACILITY INSIDE AND OUT AND HOW THAT QUALIFIES HER TO BE ASST. DIRECTOR, RUNNING THE DAILY OPERATIONS OF THE SCHOOL. IMO, THE TWO JUST DON'T MATCH. "Plus--she was a hire by a private entity(C St), which is their choice, negating pretty much any opinions from the public sector. Honestly none of our business about who they hire". ACTUALLY, AGAIN, IMO, IT IS OUR BUSINESS AS TAXPAYER MONEY WAS USED TO PROCURE THE BUILDING AND, UNTIL HEP BUYS THE BUILDING IN FEB, 2013, AND HANDS THE MONEY BACK TO THE CITY AND THE TAXPAYERS, WE "HAVE A DOG IN THE RACE". SEMANTICS PERHAPS BUT THE FACILITY IS STILL OWNED BY US UNTIL THE MONEY IS IN HAND AND THE PURCHASE IS MADE. "Ms.Bober gives a local connection to this project, which will matter largely, especially to Middletonians. Out of area academia can be very aloof and self-centered" THE LOCAL CONNECTION STARTED WITH THE PURCHASE OF THE THATCHER ESTATE BUILDINGS BEFORE CSTATES'S ARRIVAL. JUST ASKING....IS A LOCAL CONNECTION RELEVANT TO MANY MIDDLETONIANS? JUDGING BY THE RAMPANT APATHY IN CITIZEN INTEREST IN WHAT THIS TOWN DOES, I DON'T THINK MOST CARE ABOUT THIS PROJECT. THE ALOOF AND SELF-CENTERED SHIP SAILED YEARS AGO WHEN THE OUT OF TOWNERS CAME IN, OCCUPIED CITY GOVERNMENT POSITIONS, AND BEGAN TO TRASH THE TOWN. WHETHER IT BE ALOOF/SELF-CENTERED IN ACADEMIA OR WITH THE CITY LEADERS, IT'S A LITTLE LATE TO WORRY ABOUT SALVAGING ANY REASONABLE DEGREE OF PROPER BEHAVIOR IN KEY POSITIONS IN THIS TOWN. CITY LEADERS ARE CONSTANTLY ALOOF AS THEY KEEP MANY THINGS FROM THE PEOPLE. THEY ARE SELF-CENTERED AS THEY HAVE DEVELOPED THEIR OWN AGENDA AND ARE EXECUTING IT WHILE NOT CARING WHAT THE CITIZENS WANT. JMO.....NO ADVERSARIAL POSITION INTENDED. |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Aug 11 2012 at 6:51pm
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Vet It is my understanding that Mrs. Bober does know the repair history of the building really well which is an asset. I was told that she was hired because what CS really needed was someone involved in the community to help with the recruitment of new students which is not going well. |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Aug 12 2012 at 2:52am
NOW, THAT MAKES SENSE VIVIAN....A LOCAL RECRUITER FOR THE CAMPUS, WHICH IS WHAT I MENTIONED IN THE ABOVE POST ON AUGUST 10TH TO SPIDER. SOUNDS LIKE SHE WOULD BE MORE OF A FIT FOR A RECRUITER THAN AS AN ASSIST. DIRECTOR, SECOND IN LINE TO RUN THE WHOLE SCHOOL, AS THE ORIGINAL ARTICLE STATES. WHY THEN, WOULD AN EMPLOYER PLACE A PERSON WHO IS QUALIFIED FOR RECRUITING IN A DIRECTOR'S SLOT, AT A MUCH HIGHER SALARY THAN THEY NEED TO PAY HER? THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING. YOU KNOW IT'S NOT GOING WELL WHEN THEY ORIGINALLY PROJECT 500, CUT IT DOWN TO 200 AND STILL HAVE A HARD TIME HITTING 100. WE STILL DON'T KNOW HOW MANY STUDENTS WILL ACTUALLY BE USING THE BUILDING AND HOW MANY TAKE CLASSES ON-LINE DO WE. |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Aug 19 2012 at 9:23am
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College opening draws students, jobs downtown Staff Writer MIDDLETOWN — Derris Payne is the type of person Cincinnati State Middletown is aimed at attracting when the downtown community college opens on Aug. 29. The 30-year-old Trenton resident and appliance salesman at Lowe’s in Middletown left his studies in computer information systems at Sinclair’s Courseview Campus in Mason when he heard Cincinnati State Technical & Community College was coming to Middletown. He will resume his studies in computer information systems closer to home and work. “It cut my (commute) time way down,” said Payne, who would drive an hour to and from Warren County in order to earn a college degree. “I’m just real excited to be a lot closer to home and pursue my associate degree.” Payne is one of 169 students enrolled at Cincinnati State Middletown wanting to earn an associates degree or earn a certificate at a school that’s either closer to home or work. The goal of Cincinnati State is to bring more than 200 students to the downtown Middletown campus this fall. They already have about 30 full-time and part-time faculty members that will teach from this building, and there may be more, said Middletown campus director Michael Chikeleze. As many as 16 full-time and part-time staff, which includes Chikeleze and his two assistant directors Judy Bober and Tom Hale. “It’s bringing people to a location that hasn’t been open. We got revitalization from that stand point,” said Chikeleze, who worked in economic development when he lived in St. Louis. “As we grow, it will create opportunities.” Those opportunities will be in economic development for existing businesses, he said, but also opportunities where new businesses can open. Cincinnati State Middletown has generated a tremendous amount of excitement in downtown, according to city leaders and school officials. It’s also created buzz around the state, according to Cincinnati State officials who called the contract with Boston-based Higher Education Partners “the first of its kind in the state of Ohio.” It took months for the Ohio Attorney General’s Office to review the contract because school officials said it would be a template for similar projects around the state. The public/private partnership between Cincinnati State, the city of Middletown and Higher Education Partners was consummated in April. The idea was formed by the late Perry Thatcher, a former city councilman, businessman and philanthropist who died in January 2010. Cincinnati State and Higher Education Partners signed a 20-year deal, which has four five-year extensions, to bring the community college’s first branch campus to the corner of Central Avenue and North Main Street. A week later, the city signed off on its agreement to sell the former CG&E; building at 1 N. Main St. for $202,000 and donate the former senior center to Higher Education Partners for the Cincinnati State Middletown campus. “It’s been three years in the making,” said City Manager Judy Gilleland. “I know that once people are able to walk in the doors and get a feel for the facility, it will be more exciting and bring some new energy downtown.” She said it’s “surreal” to think Cincinnati State Middletown is 10 days away from opening its doors. The technical and community college become a destination for a downtown that has struggled until recently. Cincinnati State Middletown will join other downtown anchors — the Pendleton Art Center and BeauVerre on the Square — to form what’s being touted as an educational and arts hub. Cincinnati State Middletown is the kind of destination downtown has needed too attract “the traffic we’ve been looking for,” said Downtown Middletown Inc. Director Patrick Kay. “To be a successful downtown, you need to have the traffic,” he said. “But you can’t get the traffic unless you have the businesses. It’s kind of a Catch-22.” Once Cincinnati State Middletown settles into its downtown corner, “There will be more things that will be going on,” Kay said. Newly appointed Cincinnati State Middletown Director Michael Chikeleze said everything is on schedule for a smooth first day of classes on Aug. 29. “It’s going to be an exciting day,” he said. “I can see what the future’s going to be here and it’s definitely going to be really interesting and fun.” The “buzz” around downtown in anticipation of the campus’ opening day represents “hope” for many, Chikeleze said. “We still have a number of applicants in the pipeline and steel feel confident we’ll hit the (enrollment) goal,” he said. Cincinnati State Middletown will have more than 50 course sections from the school’s four academic divisions, as well as programs with the school’s Workforce Development Center. The school will offer 13 associate degree and five certificate programs. Cincinnati State spokesman Robert White said those offerings have increased since they were announced earlier this year “to address what we perceived to be the demand. Some of this was based on surveys and feedback we got during the information sessions.” Students will have options when they begin classes to either take them in downtown Middletown, exclusively online or a hybrid of the two options. Most of the students being admitted to Cincinnati State Middletown will enter either the pre-business administration or medical administrative assistant technology associate degree programs. |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Aug 19 2012 at 8:45pm
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"Payne is one of 169 students enrolled at Cincinnati State Middletown wanting to earn an associates degree or earn a certificate at a school that’s either closer to home or work"
"She (Gilleland) said it’s “surreal” to think Cincinnati State Middletown is 10 days away from opening its doors" 10 days left to make their goal of 200, reduced from 500 originally. Think they'll make it? "Cincinnati State Middletown has generated a tremendous amount of excitement in downtown, according to city leaders and school officials". Just a slight embellishment I would imagine. Yet, appropriate when one is in a hopeful but not quite sure situation. "The technical and community college become a destination for a downtown that has struggled until recently. Cincinnati State Middletown will join other downtown anchors — the Pendleton Art Center and BeauVerre on the Square — to form what’s being touted as an educational and arts hub." Pendleton/ Beau Verre are "downtown anchors"?  An educational and arts hub?
Nicely worded.
Now here's the capper to the article..... "Cincinnati State Middletown is the kind of destination downtown has needed too attract “the traffic we’ve been looking for,” said Downtown Middletown Inc. Director Patrick Kay." “To be a successful downtown, you need to have the traffic,” he said. “But you can’t get the traffic unless you have the businesses. It’s kind of a Catch-22.” "Once Cincinnati State Middletown settles into its downtown corner, “There will be more things that will be going on,” Kay said" Atta boy Kay.....way to earn that money son. Dynamic statements. Does the city really need this guy? "Students will have options when they begin classes to either take them in downtown Middletown, exclusively online or a hybrid of the two options." Now, with all the hype in this article about traffic downtown and the campus bringing activity downtown, if most do on-line, they won't be coming to class anyway and the building (and downtown) could be fairly empty. What happens then to their plans of the downtown "coming alive"? Will 200 students really have the impact they are expecting for downtown as to traffic count, new businesses springing up and any vibrancy to the area? Realistically, this has a small impact at best for the downtown, doesn't it? |
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Aug 20 2012 at 7:27pm
...Cincinnati State Middletown will join other downtown anchors — the Pendleton Art Center and BeauVerre on the Square — to form what’s being touted as an educational and arts hub."...Vet, I am sure the editor left out the most impotant part of this article when editing.Where they use the word "Hub" they left out the rest of the quote which states - "Hub of a flat tire". I'm sure all those students will be rushing over to the pac to get one of those $25 steaks.Pacman |
Posted By: Neil Barille
Date Posted: Aug 22 2012 at 3:17pm
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No wonder enrollment is weak:
http://www.cincinnatistate.edu/real-world-academics/middletown-1/middletown - http://www.cincinnatistate.edu/real-world-academics/middletown-1/middletown
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Aug 24 2012 at 6:11am
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Today's Journal.....offering more hope that this will be a success....
Cincinnati State opening will mean jobs, state representative says MIDDLETOWN — When Cincinnati State Middletown is discussed at the Ohio Statehouse, the talk is about its potential to get its students jobs. Rep. Tim Derickson, R-Hanover Twp., said Cincinnati State Middletown is a regular example he uses at Workforce Development committee meetings that he chairs Nearly 70 students will be on campus when Cincinnati State Middletown opens Wednesday A handful of students will arrive at 8 a.m. on opening day, but 62 will arrive at 8:30 a.m., he said There are 181 students ready to take classes at Cincinnati State Middletown, but more are anticipated to enroll at Fast Track Saturday where students can enroll and register for classes this weekend, he said. The goal is to have 200 students enrolled by Wednesday. SO WE NOW KNOW THE BREAKOUT BETWEEN STUDENTS TAKING CLASSES ON-LINE AND THOSE WHO WILL ACTUALLY BE IN THE CLASSROOM. 181 TOTAL....."HOPEFULLY" 200 BY THIS WEEKEND. 62 OUT OF THE 181 WILL BE DOWNTOWN. WILL THIS MAKE ENOUGH IMPACT TO MAKE SETTING UP A BUSINESS DOWNTOWN A WORTHWHILE VENTURE? I COULDN'T SEE HOW IT WOULD. SO, THE END RESULT, AT LEAST INITIALLY, IS THAT THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS ACTUALLY IN DOWNTOWN WILL NOT MAKE ANY IMPACT ON DOWNTOWN STIMULATION AS THE CITY LEADERS HAD HOPED IT WOULD. WE SHALL SEE IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS IF THEIR "REVITALIZATION" PROGRAM THROUGH CS STUDENT DRAW HAS ANY CHANCE OF WORKING. I REMAIN SKEPTICAL. “That is an amazing number with no campus to recruit from,” Chikeleze said. “It’s just been amazing how this has all come together.” YEP, CHIKELEZE, THE WHOLE THING HAS BEEN AMAZING.
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Aug 24 2012 at 6:12am
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Posted By: Observer
Date Posted: Aug 24 2012 at 9:31am
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Vet,
I didn't read the article the same way as you did. I suppose there are several different ways to interpret the article numbers. Assuming all classes don't start at 9:00 a.m. having 70 students on campus before 9:00 I would expect more students to arrive as the day wears on. Additionally, that is only one day of the week. I know when i was in college we didn't have the same classes everyday, so i would suspect that some students that will be taking classes in Middletown wouldn't be dowtown everyday. So saying we have 70 students on Weds we could have an additional 70 different students on Thursday.
In my opinion it's still about as clear as mud how many different students will be downtown on a weekly basis. Has anyone consider emailing Mr. Pittman and asking him to findout for his next article the breakdown of online students vs. downtown?
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Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Aug 24 2012 at 10:05am
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Will be a slow start.
Most students will be on site probably 2days per week, and many classes will be taken on-line. Not the start we had hoped for, and it won't be a business boom-- However it is a beginning that has the long-range potential to be a major hub in an area that has under-performed(and has been ridiculously over-prioritized/ expensive) for decades. WE have to hope for the best here, and now concentrate on the other needy areas and situations within our community(like sidewalk lights--I want mine next!) |