2012 HUD ANNUAL ACTION PLAN
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Topic: 2012 HUD ANNUAL ACTION PLAN
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Subject: 2012 HUD ANNUAL ACTION PLAN
Date Posted: Jun 23 2012 at 11:52am
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Here is the link to the Please notice the following items: NEIGHBORHOOD REVITILAZITION Code Enforcement Demolition GRANTS MANAGEMENTS Planning/Program Administration |
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Oct 13 2012 at 11:02am
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And the fed money just keeps pouring in for HUD......
Midd. Journal story... HUD grants awarded in Middletown, Franklin Two private housing developments in Middletown and Franklin were among several around the state to be awarded grants Friday from the U.S. Housing and Urban Development Department. Harding House in Franklin will receive $262,229, while Trinity Manor Senior Housing Limited Partnership in Middletown was awarded $126,978. No sign of the city backing off the HUD/Section 8/low income theme, bringing us closer to ghetto status. Thought we were trying to reduce the HUD impact in town. More crap from the city leaders. |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Oct 13 2012 at 11:59am
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....and I will say it one more time....HUD will not let Middletown reduce their number of Section 8 housing vouchers. |
Posted By: Bocephus
Date Posted: Oct 13 2012 at 11:36pm
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Vivian Moon wrote:Posted By: swohio75
Date Posted: Oct 14 2012 at 9:49pm
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Viet - the city isn't receiving the money, and they didn't apply for it. The recipient of the funds was Trinity Manor Senior Housing Limited Partnership.
The money isn't going to new units. It's not going to rehabbing existing units. It's being used to hire service coordinators for senior citizens and disabled residents. Did you even bother to read the article? |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Oct 15 2012 at 6:12am
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Directly from the article.....
"Two private housing developments in Middletown and Franklin were among several around the state to be awarded grants Friday from the U.S. Housing and Urban Development Department". swohio75- it involves HUD and it involves housing units and that ties it into the program I have referred to. ANYTHING HUD RELATED can't be good for a city that is overwhelmed with poverty and low income WITHOUT inviting more to town. |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Oct 16 2012 at 6:07am
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ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE!!!!! Midd. Journal story.....
City proposes reduction in Section 8 vouchers MIDDLETOWN — The city’s public housing agency board will entertain a proposal today to reduce the number of Section 8 vouchers by more than 1,000 over the next few years. The Middletown Public Housing Agency, which manages the city’s Section 8 voucher program, is not in compliance with federal requirements of the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, according to a Sept. 24 letter from the federal agency. The city is required to have at least 95 percent of its 1,662 vouchers awarded to an applicant. However, the city is around 82 percent. To gain compliance, Community Revitalization Director Doug Adkins is proposing the city reduce, through attrition, the number of vouchers the city offers either by transferring them to another public housing agency or return them to HUD. AND NOW THE CLINCHER FROM ADKINS!!! “The demographics show that the city can only effectively support 654 housing choice vouchers within the MPHA program,” Adkins wrote in a draft summary" WHAT HAVE WE BEEN SAYING FOR A YEAR NOW ON THIS FORUM CONCERNING THE CORRECT NUMBER OF VOUCHERS FOR A CITY THIS SIZE???? WOW, JUST A TAD BIT SLOW ON THE REACTION FROM CITY HALL, RIGHT? UN-FRIKKIN' BELIEVABLE. The city has about 500 Section 8 landlords with about 1,400 Section 8 properties, which includes housing from both the Middletown and Butler public housing agencies, low-income tax credits and other HUD-funded projects. “Taken together, subsidized housing represents 3,337 housing units, or 14.3 percent of our total housing,” Adkins said AND NOW, ANOTHER THING THAT WILL MAKE YOU PROUD TO LIVE HERE..... Middletown has 2,255 subsidized housing units, which is 9.7 percent of the city’s total households. That’s the HIGHEST PERCENTAGE IN OHIO, according to the city. Chillicothe Housing Agency is second with 8.5 percent of all households that are subsidized housing. Butler County Public Housing Authority is at 1.7 percent and Warren County Public Housing Authority is at 0.8 percent. The state average is 2.6 percent. Subsidized housing Area public housing authority’s rates of subsidized housing (number of vouchers in parentheses): 9.7 percent: Middletown (1,662 vouchers) 5.1 percent: Cincinnati (11,266 vouchers) 1.7 percent: Butler County (1,111 vouchers) 1.5 percent: Clermont County (906 vouchers) 0.8 percent: Warren County (448 vouchers) 0.3 percent: Preble County (52 vouchers) Source: City of Middletown LOOK AT MIDDLETOWN AND THEN LOOK AT THE REST OF BUTLER COUNTY. IGNORANCE ABOUNDS IN CITY HALL FOR BRINGING IN THIS AMOUNT OF A GHETTO BUILDING PROGRAM. WHY PEOPLE, WHY??? |
Posted By: TonyB
Date Posted: Oct 16 2012 at 6:51am
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Vet, I hope that your "why"is rhetorical because I'm sure you know the answer. Money! The addition of those vouchers was to bring Federal dollars to the city, supplement current landlords and keep rents high within the city limits. Not really much of a mystery. The real question is why due diligence wasn't performed by our city administration in terms of the impact that such a concentration of vouchers would produce. In other words, they didn't see the problems this might create, they only saw the dollars! |
Posted By: Middletown29
Date Posted: Oct 16 2012 at 7:12am
| Gilliland has been severely slow on the switch on the section 8 issue. This alone is enough to warrant her firing. |
Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: Oct 16 2012 at 8:41am
| Reducing the vouchers through attrition? I thought they were discussing this a couple years ago and it was already being done....why is this taking so long? |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Oct 16 2012 at 9:35am
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Posted: 5:00 a.m. Tuesday, Oct. 16, 2012 By http://www.middletownjournal.com/staff/michael-d-pitman/ - - Michael D. Pitman MIDDLETOWN — The city’s public housing agency board will entertain a proposal today to reduce the number of Section 8 vouchers by more than 1,000 over the next few years. The Middletown Public Housing Agency, which manages the city’s Section 8 voucher program, is not in compliance with federal requirements of the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, according to a Sept. 24 letter from the federal agency. The city is required to have at least 95 percent of its 1,662 vouchers awarded to an applicant. However, the city is around 82 percent. “The demographics show that the city can only effectively support 654 housing choice vouchers within the MPHA program,” Adkins wrote in a draft summary. Adkins said the Middletown Public Housing Agency generally turns over 200 vouchers a year for various reasons. “The proposal given to the (public housing agency) board specifically states that all families that have vouchers will get to keep their voucher and remain where they are for as long as they remain compliant with program regulations,” Adkins said. If HUD finds the city is in violation of the Fair Housing Act, then the federal government “would then have to decide to punish additional low income families by cutting funding,” Adkins said. “HUD would not take those actions quickly or without careful consideration of the consequences to the low/moderate income people affected,” he said. The city has about 500 Section 8 landlords with about 1,400 Section 8 properties, which includes housing from both the Middletown and Butler public housing agencies, low-income tax credits and other HUD-funded projects. “Taken together, subsidized housing represents 3,337 housing units, or 14.3 percent of our total housing,” Adkins said. The plan is being presented on the heels of a letter received from HUD’s Midwest Region office in Cleveland. It states the city has not issued any vouchers since Jan. 1, even though there were two applicants on a waiting list, and it is not in compliance with the 95 percent level. The letter requested the city submit a “formalized corrective action plan.” HUD spokeswoman Laura Feldman said the agency is unable to comment at this time as they have not seen a proposal. A proposal, according to the Sept. 24-dated letter from HUD, requested a plan be submitted within 30 days which would be Oct. 24. “This is not a typical situation,” Feldman said. “Normally housing authorities want to increase their vouchers because they have a waiting list.” Landlord Missy McCall, who said she’s not familiar with the proposal, would be okay with a reduction in Section 8 vouchers so long as those who need the assistance get the assistance. “What about those people who are having crises that is just developed,” she said. “We can’t always budget our crises when we need assistance.” But she said the administration needs to do what’s best for the city, the people on the program and the landlords “so there’s a balance.” From a landlord perspective, McCall said it doesn’t appear it wouldn’t make a big difference as a housing provider. She said a demand for rental properties is up over the past four years, but that’s a combination of people who can’t buy homes and a slightly improving economy. Landlords and utilities receive more than 90 percent of the city’s Section 8 funding. The 2012 program is budgeted to receive about $11 million. Of that funding, Adkins said about $1 million is designated for administration and the remainder is distributed to landlords and utilities as rental and utility assistance to voucher holders. More than 50 percent of the rental assistance funding is made to out-of-town landlords. I would like to suggest that you read the 96 Page 2010 Report and the HUD response for a better understanding of this problem.
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Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Oct 16 2012 at 10:43am
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Middletown29 - Gilliland has been severely slow on the switch on the section 8 issue. This alone is enough to warrant her firing. |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Oct 16 2012 at 10:51am
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Gentlemen |
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Oct 16 2012 at 6:12pm
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New york Times - December 18, 2009
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Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Oct 16 2012 at 6:13pm
| If NEW YORK CITY can dump 3000 vounchers, why can't Middletown dump 1000 or so??? |
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Oct 16 2012 at 6:26pm
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{Landlord Missy McCall, who said she’s not familiar with the proposal, would be okay with a reduction in Section 8 vouchers so long as those who need the assistance get the assistance. “What about those people who are having crises that is just developed,” she said. “We can’t always budget our crises when we need assistance.” But she said the administration needs to do what’s best for the city, the people on the program and the landlords “so there’s a balance.”}
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Posted By: 409
Date Posted: Oct 16 2012 at 10:44pm
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From MJ: Council approves plan to reduce Section 8 By http://www.middletownjournal.com/staff/michael-d-pitman/ - Staff Writer
MIDDLETOWN — The city will move forward into “uncharted territory” with its proposal to remove more than 1,000 Section 8 vouchers over the course of five years. A 142-page proposal, which was released Tuesday, outlines the city’s case to remove the vouchers over five years through attrition — meaning vouchers will not be recirculated as people come off the program. “This is uncharted territory,” said Doug Adkins, Community Revitalization director. “I’m unaware of anyone trying to do something of this magnitude.” The plan was developed in response to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development’s request for a corrective action plan as the city is below the minimum required number of vouchers that need to be issued, which is 95 percent, or 1,579. As of August, only 1,424 vouchers are issued. Council during its Middletown Public Housing Agency Board meeting Tuesday voted 6-1 in support of the proposal. Councilman A.J. Smith opposed the proposal. “I thought the loss outweighed the gain,” Smith said explaining his vote. Smith said the city could lose upwards of $2.3 million in potential HUD-based funding — such as community development block grants, the Neighborhood Stabilization Program, and the HOME Investment Partnerships Program —in addition to the economy of the program. Adkins said it could be a year or two before the threat of any funding cuts would be considered, and by that time, he said, council could then decide the fight is too monumental. The city has about 500 Section 8 landlords with about 1,400 Section 8 properties, and Adkins said the goals of the Section 8 program aren’t being achieved. But council is not without concern. Vice Mayor Dan Picard, like Smith, said he was concerned with HUD deciding to take away funding. Adkins said any decision must include a detailed explanation why and at any time council can drop the issue. But if the city feels HUD’s reasoning isn’t supported by statutory regulations, Middletown can take HUD to federal court. “That concerns me,” Picard said. “I’m an attorney, and we’re talking about serious dollars if we talk about getting in one of those matches with HUD.” Adkins said having no subsidized housing is not beneficial to a city, but too much can harm a city’s progress. There are more than 2,500 Section 8 voucher families living in housing within Butler County, according to the adopted plan. The city has 66.4 percent of those vouchers. In the 12 other Butler County communities with Section 8 housing, Middletown has nearly double of the rest of the county combined. Adkins said 1,662 Section 8 vouchers — which is 49.8 percent of all subsidized housing in Middletown and 14.3 percent of all available housing in the city — does not allow the city to succeed. The 654 Section 8 vouchers would reduce all subsidize housing to 10 percent of all available housing in the city. “It is not the root of our problems, but simply one area that needs our attention at this time,” said Adkins. Other subsidized housing includes programs offered by the Butler Metro Public Housing Agency, HUD directly and the Low-Income Housing Tax Credit. Adkins said the city can only control the city’s allotment of Section 8 vouchers, which grew from 774 from 1999 to 1,662 by 2005. About 200 vouchers are turned over annually for various reasons, he said, but any voucher holder will retain it so long they remain compliant with program regulations. Exceeding the proposed 10 percent threshold of the total available housing would “cause more problems than benefits to the city,” according to the report. An example within the report contends that within a 1,000-foot an area with few subsidized housing units, home sale prices increased. However, if there is a concentrated amount of subsidized housing, home sales prices dropped within a 2,000-foot radius. The report also contends more affluent residents pay the bulk of local taxes, property values in concentrated subsidized housing areas are assessed $35,500 lower than in other areas of the city, and Section 8 housing has cost the city an annual loss of $111,324 in property tax revenues — which according to the city’s 2012 proposed budget could fund a fully equipped police officer or firefighter. Landlord Jeff Faulkner, who owns Section 8 and non-Section 8 properties in three area counties, including in Middletown, said reducing 1,008 vouchers is too much, and believes it won’t happen. He said if there are people staying at the Hope House, a homeless shelter, then there’s a need in the city. “If they take the vouchers and return them, I would expect HUD to step in and pursue avenues to make sure people have housing,” Faulkner said. Adkins anticipates some type of action by HUD — likely a “strong response” — but he is confident the city is not violating any HUD regulations. Vouchers issued to the city by HUD The city currently has 1,662 Section 8 vouchers, but are are far below the 95 percent compliance rate as mandated by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development. In 1999, the city of Middletown had 774 Section 8 vouchers issued by HUD. Here’s how they have increased since then: Year | New vouchers added | Total number of vouchers Dec. 1, 1999 | 75 | 849 May 1, 2000 | 50 | 899 Sept. 1, 2000 | 55 | 954 Nov. 1, 2000 | 200| 1154 Oct. 1, 2001 | 200 | 1354 Jan. 1, 2003 | 200 | 1554 Oct. 1, 2005 | 108 | 1662 Source: city of Middletown |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Oct 17 2012 at 6:13am
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Council giveth Section 8 and now council will try to taketh away. They are their own worst enemy on this. When they voted for this, what did they think would happen down the road, unleashing this blight on the city?
I really like this from Adkins...... "Adkins said having no subsidized housing is not beneficial to a city, but too much can harm a city’s progress" Why.....that's brilliant Douggie, simply brilliant!! 
And now the real reason this blight was brought to the city, courtesy of Danny P....... Vice Mayor Dan Picard, like Smith, said he was concerned with HUD deciding to take away funding. Adkins said the city can only control the city’s allotment of Section 8 vouchers, which grew from 774 from 1999 to 1,662 by 2005 Why did council/city officials allow this number to increase if it is now a concern? (other than receiving fed bucks that is) Section 8 housing has cost the city an annual loss of $111,324 in property tax revenues — which according to the city’s 2012 proposed budget could fund a fully equipped police officer or firefighter. Again, if the city knew this, why did they ramp up the program? All of a sudden, this highly prized program a few years ago.....this beacon for fed dollars and revenue for the city, seems to have become a cancer to them now. Ignorance abounds in the city building. Will we ever see them make a good decision regarding the operation of this city? |
Posted By: LH4
Date Posted: Oct 17 2012 at 11:03am
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There is a lot of inaccurate information that has been on this forum.
First.. 15 years ago some landlords did not have to rent section 8. You could rent properties to people who had decent jobs in Middletown. To have your properties pass section 8 inspections there is a list that has to be done. Take a look at all the little things that have to be done. Many of your homes would not pass. If you look around Middletown.. The homes you see with broken glass, falling apart, etc.. THESE ARE NOT SECTION 8. There are a lot of landlords that live in Middletown. They have family, friends and businesses in Middletown. Their children go to school in Middletown. Of course they care about the crime in Middletown... and they report any people committing crimes. Also they can and sometimes are terminated from the program. No landlord wants any crimes or trouble at a property! Speaking of that I have personally had people come up to me and ask me for money at different locations around Middletown....those are not the people on the program. If landlords do not rent section 8 (BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE IS COMING TO MIDDLETOWN ) you will have properties empty! No income means no taxes paid, foreclosures, no money for local businesses and NO MONEY FOR THE CITY! If you were looking at a new city to move into would you choose Middletown??? Professional people that do have money to buy housing and spend in Middletown do not choose Middletown. Sad but true... If you are from out of town and drive into Middletown what's the first thing you notice? Let's see.. a dilapidated mall. People that have money want a place to spend it. They want quality shopping. The Towne Mall deal should have been done years ago. What did the City of Middletown do?? Then let them look up the Middletown City Schools report cards.. Which is one of the first things parents do when considering a city to move into. Most schools are rated effective and some rated academic emergency! If you had a choice of public schools would you choose this city? NO. Landlords having to rent section 8 are not the problem..they are trying to keep a business together that costs a lot of money to run and maintain. They spend A LOT of money in Middletown!! You can blame section 8... but if you take away that housing you will see a lot more empty houses.. and businesses failing. Mr. Adkins need to look at why people are not moving into Middletown. It's not because of section 8 vouchers!! |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Oct 17 2012 at 1:07pm
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So basically LH4, you are saying that Section 8 landlords must have Section 8 tenants or your houses will remain empty, right? There is an alternative to filling your houses without the Section 8 HUD handouts to landlords......make your house rent competitive enough to attract the apartment dwellers and pull from the apartment renters segment of society. That way your houses stay full, we don't have to put up with Section 8 crime, lowering of image, and a ghetto mentality reputation with the surrounding area.
No matter how you slice it, Section 8, especially with the overabundance this city has, is detrimental to this city and a program we don't need, given all the other problems we have. I have a hard time believing that the Section 8 clientele (as well as landlords) in this city help in the money spending department to any great degree. You state.... "Speaking of that I have personally had people come up to me and ask me for money at different locations around Middletown....those are not the people on the program" And how would you know this? I have not experienced people coming up and asking me for money and I've been here for decades. Perhaps we travel in different circles within the city. "You can blame section 8... but if you take away that housing you will see a lot more empty houses.. and businesses failing" Please explain. "Mr. Adkins need to look at why people are not moving into Middletown. It's not because of section 8 vouchers!! " But it's certainly part of why people aren't moving here. Section 8, right or wrong, is looked upon as ghetto and undesirable to be around. It devalues property, increases the crime potential and attracts the criminal element (ask the cops if crime hasn't increased in town) and tarnishes the image of a city.....especially as inundated as Middletown has become. |
Posted By: LH4
Date Posted: Oct 17 2012 at 1:43pm
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Circles in town? If you are trying to say I am from the "ghetto" you are way off. Maybe you should talk to someone beyond your circle.
Do you never go to McDonalds, Subway or the mall? Ask around in your circle of friends, perhaps within your church,if none of them have ever been asked for money in Middletown? Make rent competitive?? You have no idea what you are talking about.. all apartments in the city have LOWER there rent. Every one of them! No deposit special etc... That has nothing to do with section 8! Most of the apartment complexes do accept section 8. If they do not ask what the vacancy rate is? Yes... when you remodel your properties you spend a lot of money.. And pay labor! You forgot to mention the schools??? Parents look at that first! |
Posted By: LMAO
Date Posted: Oct 17 2012 at 1:44pm
| LH I have a few homes that I rent out and none of them do I have rented out to section 8 people.There are a few reasons why I dont and the main one is after they lived there for a while and destroy your place and you have to fix it back to the way it was before you are out alot of money.Try to collect from them what your out.The deposit you take from them doesnt even begain to fix it back up. |
Posted By: LH4
Date Posted: Oct 17 2012 at 1:49pm
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LMAO
Your right... my point exactly..Landlords spend a lot of money remodeling! If you had hundreds of tenants you would rent section 8. If that is the only people coming into Middletown. |
Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Oct 17 2012 at 2:05pm
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Never had anyone ask you for $$, Vet?? Come hang with me for a few hours!! A lot of truth in what both of you have to say...... Section 8 has become a partial scapegoat for many local issues Admin created the glut-- don't blame the needy for participating in the program, or landlords for renting into the program. HOWEVER The glut has crippled our schools, police/fire, businesses and Family Services The % needs to be reduced Many landlords bought properties specifically to take advantage of the situation When the voucher #s decrease, these landlords must find new tenants, and probably charge lower rents They rode it up the hill, now comes the ride back down Just be appreciative of what you had for as long as you had it jmo
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Oct 17 2012 at 2:23pm
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That's right, LH4, I have never had anyone come up to me and ask me for money in this town. Might be that my work takes me out of town each day, I don't see the workings of the town each day as you may see it and I travel around town very infrequently as I'm tied to my home most of the time. Dunno
"If you are trying to say I am from the "ghetto" you are way off" Nope, never said YOU were from the ghetto. I called the Section 8 program a ghetto builder. I singled out no one, just the program as a whole and the image it portrays. "Do you never go to McDonalds, Subway or the mall? Ask around in your circle of friends, perhaps within your church,if none of them have ever been asked for money in Middletown?" Nope, unfortunately not as much as I use to. When not working in Dayton, take care of my wife who is paralyzed. No time these days to "get out and see the sights". "Make rent competitive?? You have no idea what you are talking about" You may be right here. I am not familiar with the renter/Section 8 renter thing. Just trying to suggest an alternative for you to fill your homes with renters other than Section 8, that's all. "Yes... when you remodel your properties you spend a lot of money.. And pay labor!" But how often do you remodel? Every year? Every 3 years? Do your Section 8 people destroy your properties on a frequent basis? If so, why would you want to headaches? "You forgot to mention the schools??? Parents look at that first!" Oh, if you knew me and have read my posts, I NEVER forget the schools and their pathetic performance the last 3 decades. I'm a big proponent of abolishing it all and starting over with rebuilding the school district. I'm well aware of what the surrounding communities have to say about the Middletown schools and the low opinions people have nowadays. Wasn't like that in the 50's and 60's when I went through this system. Topnotch back then. |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Oct 17 2012 at 2:33pm
EXACTLY LH4!!!! YOU JUST DESCRIBED THE MALAISE OF THE SECTION 8 PROGRAM INUNDATING THE CITY. THE CITY OFFERS YOU SECTION 8 RENTERS, THE ONLY GAME IN TOWN TO FILL YOUR HOMES AND YOU ARE REWARDED BY THEM DESTROYING YOUR PROPERTIES. SO WHY WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO BYPASS THE CITY OFFER AND LOOK INTO THE NON-SECTION 8 RENTAL SCENE AND MAKE YOUR PROPERTIES MORE ATTRACTIVE TO THE RENTERS WHO WOULDN'T DESTROY YOUR PROPERTIES? THERE ARE RENTERS OTHER THAN SECTION 8 AND THEY MAY WANT TO LIVE IN A HOUSE RATHER THAN AN APARTMENT FOR THE SAME BALLPARK RENT, RIGHT? |
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Oct 17 2012 at 10:28pm
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LH4, Are you a Landlord? or are you a Leasee in the Section 8 scene? I have a feeling you are a Landlord. Pacman  |
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Oct 18 2012 at 6:42pm
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Today's Middletown Journal HeadlineLandlord arrested in Section 8 investigation By http://www.middletownjournal.com/staff/michael-d-pitman/ - Staff Writer So Section 8 isn't a problem huh???!!!MIDDLETOWN — Monday’s arrest of a Section 8 landlord is the fourth this year as part of a Section 8 fraud investigation that’s been ongoing for nearly two years. Dan Tracy, 65, of Middletown, was arrested after a warrant for theft, a fifth-degree felony, was signed, said Middletown police Lt. Scott Reeve. Police say Tracy collected federal money from a vacant apartment. Since the investigation began in early 2011, police said seven landlords have been arrested for allegedly defrauding the Section 8 program, which is through the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development. The HUD Inspector General is aiding the Middletown police in its investigation. Tracy was arraigned in Middletown Municipal Court on Wednesday morning. A pretrial hearing is set for Oct. 31. Reeve said Tracy could face an additional charge allegedly providing a fraudulent lease in order to turn on city water for a tenant with a past due water bill (Section 8 guidelines say a voucher holder must pay all back utilities or they would be removed from the program). Tracy deferred comment on Thursday to his attorney, Christopher Atkins, who could not be reached for comment. In September 2011, five people — two landlords and three tenants — were arrested on felony-level theft charges. The city is looking to reduce its number of Section 8 vouchers by 1,008 over the course of five years, according to a city corrective action plan approved by city council earlier this week. The plan, which addressed why the city is under the acceptable 95 percent threshold of issued vouchers, has been sent to HUD for consideration. City officials are uncertain if HUD would accept this plan, but if it is accepted the number of vouchers would drop from 1,662 to 654. Section 8 arrests in 2012 Here is who has been arrested this year in the ongoing Section 8 faud investigation by the Middletown Division of Police: Jerry Robinson, arrested April 2, charged with theft, a fifth-degree felony. He is scheduled … Silas Lewallen, arrested on June 14, charged with theft, a fifth-degree felony. He is scheduled … Author Baker, arrested on June 25, charged with theft, a fifth-degree felony. He pled guilty to theft on ????? Dan Tracy, arrested on Oct. 15, charged with theft, a fifth-degree felony. He is scheduled to appear for a preliminary hearing in Middletown Municipal Court on Oct. 31. Pacman
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Posted By: SEEKING THE TRUTH
Date Posted: Oct 18 2012 at 7:39pm
| Have you heard anything about MPHA letters or letters from Doug Adkins sent to the tenants on MPHA demanding that they pay old water bills to the city of Middletown water department that have nothing to do with the unit that they are living in or any unit that that they lived in while on the program that was on the paid for by the program if so do you think this could be a violation of there civil rights on the section 8. |
Posted By: SEEKING THE TRUTH
Date Posted: Oct 18 2012 at 8:36pm
| JUST WHAT POSITION DOES MARTY KOHLER HAVE AS OF TODAY IN THE CITY MANAGEMENT AND WHERE DID HE RANK WHEN THIS HAPPENED ???? |
Posted By: 409
Date Posted: Oct 18 2012 at 11:29pm
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Pacman.....Dan Tracy has an interesting array of properties listed under 'Merg Properties LLC' on the BC website. Many chances for..........
http://propertysearch.butlercountyohio.org/butler/search/CommonSearch.aspx?mode=OWNER - http://propertysearch.butlercountyohio.org/butler/search/CommonSearch.aspx?mode=OWNER
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Posted By: swohio75
Date Posted: Oct 19 2012 at 10:25am
| Mr. Tracy went before council and self-professed that was biggest Section 8 landlord in Middletown. |
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Oct 19 2012 at 6:49pm
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I have been to several meetings and heard Dan Tracy speak. He always proclaimed how wonderful his Section 8 tenants were. and that they were even better than having a non section 8 tenant in one of his rentals. He usually showed up with 2 or 3 other section 8 landlords who proclaimed the same thing. I guess he is right when he is collecting money and have no section 8 tenant in the unit. I use to always shake my head when I would hear him speak knowing that he was being less than truthful. Pacman |
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Oct 19 2012 at 6:55pm
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409, Looks like your right, 129 properties, hmmm if we are lucky he will get booted out of the program. Pacman
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Posted By: digger-2
Date Posted: Oct 20 2012 at 12:06am
| If memory serves me correctly, weren't Nelson & Associates plus the Inspection Group responsible for ensuring that 'alleged' problems of this nature would be uncovered dating back to 2009? I think that it might be a little premature for some to pass final judgement until all of the facts are available. |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Oct 20 2012 at 6:29am
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I heard horror stories from landlords and tenants concerning records and payments the first year and a half under Nelson & Assoc and the Inspection Group. And then you can add the major problems with the new software program that Mr. Adkins purchased. |
Posted By: Middletown29
Date Posted: Oct 20 2012 at 9:33am
| That is a first for you Vivian. Waiting for the rest of the story to pass judgement. |
Posted By: LMAO
Date Posted: Oct 20 2012 at 10:14am
Looks like just another typical day at city hall.No one watching what the other is doing.Not caring if someone is ripping the city off big time.Why should they care?They(city) ripps us off everyday.Heads should roll for this but they wont cause we have "spineless ones" running Middletucky.
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Posted By: LH4
Date Posted: Oct 22 2012 at 8:34am
| Before any of you pass judgement on Dan Tracy I would wait! If the people in charge of section 8 would get things straight the paper work would not be so screwed up. They have had different names to different addresses plenty of times. They have said numerous times a property has not been inspected yet when it was the week before!!! It's ironic how some of the lanlords are taking the fall for their program not being ran correctly and professionally. Huh.......maybe takes the heat off them. |
Posted By: LH4
Date Posted: Oct 22 2012 at 8:45am
| Also...do any of you know that when the inspection group was in charge some of the lanlords did not get paid for months of rent at times.. because of their paperwork mishaps. How would any of you like to work for free for six months?? |
Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: Oct 22 2012 at 9:02am
| Cops don't usually file charges and arrest someone because of paperwork snafus. I'm going to guess that they investigated this before arresting your friend Mr. Tracy. #slumlord |
Posted By: digger-2
Date Posted: Oct 22 2012 at 10:31am
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Questions for the day: 1) Name the city employee who heaped praises upon Nelson Associates plus the Inspection Group when they replaced CONSOC several years ago? 2) Why were the Inspection Group's services no longer desired? 3) How will the feds react to the city's recent announcement to reduce vouchers by 1,000? 4) Is this yet another grandiose plan like the 2,300 citywide code enforcement violations, the $20 million NSP housing plan, the 54% citywide lower-income designation, etc., etc. It makes one wonder if we shouldn't have fewer bold headlines and more accountability with our tax dollars?
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Posted By: LH4
Date Posted: Oct 22 2012 at 10:45am
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Digger-2
Great questions! With all the crime rate up due to section 8 voucher holding people. You wouldn't think the police would have time for fraud investigations. |
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Oct 22 2012 at 7:06pm
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LH4, though you refuse to answer my question above, you are definately a landlord and a fool of a landord. many of the Loandlords I have talked to about section 8 think they are above the rest of the citizens of middletown. The Police do not arresst 4 Landlords with one pleading guilty just for the fun of it. I forsee your wonderful friend Tracy pleading guilty and most likely gettin probation with him being allowed to stay in the section 8 progam unfortunately. Pacman |
Posted By: digger-2
Date Posted: Oct 22 2012 at 11:23pm
| How sad that anyone would resort to name-calling and belittling another MUSA participant. It's often said that the wise man withholds judgement until all of the facts are known. |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Oct 23 2012 at 10:17am
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I believe that Mr. Tracy has been a landlord here in |
Posted By: LH4
Date Posted: Oct 23 2012 at 10:19am
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Pacman
I can answer anyone's questions. I know a lot of lanlords. I am telling you facts, some that of course you would not hear from the city. Let me explain something first off... When Nelson was in charge they were so clustered they did not even know someone was in a unit they had already inspected!! It was a complete mess. And Doug Adkins did not care. Tenants were told wrong information as well as landlords! Their hunting down lanlords trying to come up with fraud IS their way to remove section 8 vouchers. The paperwork was never correct... Hopefully the lanlords kept records of all communication! I find it amazing that buisnesses in this town have been robbed with a picture of them doing it and are told they don't have enough " man power" to go look for them..... But they can work on this for two years. I guess the city of Middletown people can live with criminals just not lanlords trying to figure out the cities everyday changes of rules of section 8!!! |
Posted By: LH4
Date Posted: Oct 23 2012 at 10:25am
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Pacman
Also as far as Dan Tracy being my "wonderful friend".... he has helped many families. Some people in need not on section 8 also. It's easy to sit back and judge when YOU do not know all the facts. |
Posted By: over the hill
Date Posted: Oct 23 2012 at 11:50am
| WOW, PACMAN IS JUDGE AND JURY!!! |
Posted By: Bocephus
Date Posted: Oct 23 2012 at 12:38pm
And look at the prices 'Merg Properties LLC' paid for the properties in the last few years.These people went around buying up foreclosed homes for a fraction of their value so that they could fill them up with section 8? Hell if any one wanted to buy one of these houses to live in they couldnt. No wonder Middletown has gone to hell.But on the other hand its a free country and they are making money thats the way the system is suposed to work.
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Posted By: over the hill
Date Posted: Oct 23 2012 at 1:15pm
| do i detect some kind of jelousy here hidden in responses |
Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: Oct 23 2012 at 2:19pm
| Funny how all the Sec 8 trolls start showing up on this site once their little industry starts taking some heat. Why haven't you previously made comments on the many other important issues to this community? Oh, that's right, you probably either don't live here or don't care. |
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Oct 23 2012 at 7:58pm
LH4, LH4 You still never answered my question. Are You A Landlord? And As I stated before I have been to meetings where Dan Tracy and other Section 8 Landlords swore their Section 8 tenants were the best tenants they ever had. Hunting down section 8 Landlors, what a lark! This is most likely a problem with CONSOCC, who was fired. CONSOC ran the program for I believe 15 to 20 yrs. seems to me a COCNSON issue that the City had to wade through. Section 8 rules are written by the government and not the city. The city attempts to work within HUD's rules and trys to makes changes to the city's benefit, but usually get's slapped down by HUD as has happened in the recent past. Section 8 is not a bad program. The problem is that Middletown is over saturated with 1000-1200 more vouchers than they should have. Middletown is a mecca for section 8 due to the tremendous amount of housing it has that you can buy for pennies and the dollar, rehab for pennies on the dollar, make you money back in 18-24 months and the money just rolls in with minimul expenses. I have been researching section 8 in Middletown for the last 5 years. honestly I believe without this site and our discussion about section 8 on it, the attention the matter diserves would not be where it's at now. Dan Tracy has possibly gotten himself into a mess and with his owning about 135 properties, including the ones in his name, if he can't strike a deal or come out this not guilty he may be in big trouble financially. Pacman |
Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Oct 23 2012 at 8:16pm
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Secvion 8 program is not the problemin itself City Admin's decision to bring in so much of it is the problem. Can't fault tenants or landlords for using what our city govt.has made available to them. Actually, city govt.brought in the vouchers fully expecting them to be used, damn the consequences to public safety, schools and local businesses as long as they got their hands into the cookie jar. Now they want to throw out the voucher holders and scapegoat the landlords. Most Section 8 voucher holders are law-abiding citizens. Same with landlords, who are often conned by tenants and misleading regulations. I know Mr.Tracy, and consider him a friend. He is hardly a bad or dangerous person. Don't make him the diversionary fall guy for a city admin program that has imploded negatively over the entire community. Keep your focus on the true culprits in this situation. Why not first start by example of eliminating everyone within city admin responsible for the over-saturation of the Section 8 program? Doug? Judy? Larry?
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Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Oct 24 2012 at 8:19am
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And As I stated before I have been to meetings where Dan Tracy and other Section 8 Landlords swore their Section 8 tenants were the best tenants they ever had. Hunting down section 8 Landlords what a lark! This is most likely a problem with CONSOCC, who was fired. CONSOC ran the program for I believe 15 to 20 yrs. seem to me a COCNSON issue that the City had to wade through. |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Oct 24 2012 at 8:30am
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Posted By: LH4
Date Posted: Oct 24 2012 at 9:27am
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Pacman
Obviously you know very little about the rental property.It does not take pennies on dollar to rehab a property. Materials do not go for pennies on the dollar. Someone previously commented on buying up the properties in Middletown....news flash... drive around... do you not see all the foreclosed property? Look around. There are plenty for people to buy. You should buy a few fix them up and try to sell them...good luck. Those homes are not owned by section 8 tenants. Now they are sitting there EMPTY so thieves can break in and steal the copper pipes! But you are right it is much better to let it sit empty...and with the high rated school system, wonderful places to shop, and the attentive police department...people will come to buy them up.. Someone also mentioned the price Dan Tracy has paid for his properties. You have no idea the amount of money that is put into one of those homes. And you can not sell it...only rent it. Property values in Middletown are saddening. This is not because of section 8. Do you not realize that people are not choosing Middletown because of the many other reasons? Bill Most landlord trolls do care about the community. Good schools and good communities equal higher rent rates. FYI the city admins responsible for the "over saturation" of section 8 is due to what? Why would they ever allow such a thing? Go back and look at the city before this.. Financially.. Now people want to blame the section 8 program and the landlord trolls...But no one has complained about the landlords spending the money to buy or fix up a house. Or paying taxes on the property. Does a property setting empty profit the city???? |
Posted By: LH4
Date Posted: Oct 24 2012 at 9:42am
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Vivian
Thank you for the FACTS. You are absolutely right..we do have some "slumlords" and they are not section 8 property. Question to everyone? What is going to happen to this town when they push section 8 out of it? Do you think that the landlords will still rent all the property they own? Or just let it sit empty, not being able to pay the mortgages. Then they will have to rent to anyone with lowered rent rate and have no inspections. Think about it. |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Oct 24 2012 at 11:18am
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If I had a magic wand I would remove all the HUD properties and all the HUD funds from I find this witch hunt against business people that are land lords very troubling.
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Oct 24 2012 at 11:28am
| Vivian....LH4....very good points. On the other hand, I, for one, do not like the Section 8 program, would like to have NONE of it in Middletown (realizing that is not an option) and think it breeds more crime, lowers property values (as if they could go any lower, right?) and creates a "ghetto" image to those who perceive Middletown as a lower class town nowadays. The last thing this town needs, with all the other problems it has, is an influx of lower income/handout programs. Creates dependency and laziness in a certain segment of this city's population. I detest programs that foster this mentality. Let 'em do what I have done for 44 years. Go out and work and get it yourself. Get your hands out of the working people's wallet. Ain't nobody helping me these days, even with a wife who is totally handicapped. Didn't use to be that way here 40 years ago. This was a decent, respected town back then. Now.......ruined by the dam city leaders since the 70's (and getting worse by the day with the current crop of leaders) Sorry, just venting. JMO |
Posted By: Bocephus
Date Posted: Oct 24 2012 at 12:42pm
The only thing Iam jealous about is the fact that Iam stuck in this sh*t hole of a town with you when I could just stop making my mortgage payments and walk away.Jealous of What ? Oh please |
Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: Oct 24 2012 at 1:08pm
| Vet, the sad thing in this country nowadays is that I bet the gap between what you currently earn and what you could earn via going "on the dole" (e.g., welfare, filing for disability, food stamps, taking early Social Security, getting an Obamaphone, etc.) probably isn't that far apart. There just isn't the incentive to work hard for many people. I will agree with those that say there aren't the good job opportunities there used to be but there is also a generation of laziness consisting of people who appear to be in no hurry to do anything and shuffle around town with nothing to do (I know you've seen them too). These are folks who would rather take a $5 handout than work hard for $10. |
Posted By: digger-2
Date Posted: Oct 24 2012 at 1:34pm
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Much can be learned by reading Community Revitalization posts from Vivian, VietVet, Sprider John, Mike Presta, etc. since late 2008. Look at what has been revealed on MUSA regarding questionable city policies, plans, extravagant spending, baseless hype, consultants, etc. Is the worst thing of all our city's waste of tax dollars and so many lost opportunities to improve older areas of Wards 2 and 1. Or is it a few self-proclaimed MUSA visionaries (not) who repeatedly heaped praise upon those who administer these programs. Go figure??
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Oct 24 2012 at 2:36pm
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digger 2.....
"Much can be learned by reading Community Revitalization posts from Vivian, VietVet, Sprider John, Mike Presta, etc. since late 2008". "Look at what has been revealed on MUSA regarding questionable city policies, plans, extravagant spending, baseless hype, consultants, etc" Yes, Mike P, Vivian, Spider and others do a great job researching the facts and presenting them to us. We are fortunate to have them here. They usually dig up what the city leaders try to hide from us mere mortals. At times, they catch the city changing their stories (to be blunt- lying) and present conflicting info. coming out of city hall. Mike P is good at catching Rusty Carolus, the Finance DIErector spinning those financial funds around, moving money around from fund to fund and creating his magical financial manipulations. Vivian does a good job monitoring Douggie Adkins and the games he runs day to day. Les Landen's a hoot the way he interprets the law to coincide with what the city wants and needs at the moment. To hell with city ordinances the way they are written. It's whatever the flavor of the moment is that dictates the legal decision. Would actually be funny if the infractions weren't so serious. The city manager.....a total failure in the leadership department in directing this city. Totally misfocused as to what this town needs, as is the mayor. Unfortunately digger, most of the people living in this town never have heard of this forum or aren't interested at all in what is happening that affects all of us here. At times, we get the city bred infiltrators on here that make life interesting in our discussions. They are here just to insert confusion and turmoil. Fun to argue with, otherwise comical, as they attempt to defend our pathetic city leaders. If those that care would read this forum and stop believing what they read in the MMF hack puppet paper called the Journal, they might get angry enough to effect change at the voting booth. But it won't happen. Most don't give a crap what happens in this town. Just want to be left alone, complain and stay out of the way of city affairs. If there was some way to stir their interest in what these clowns are doing to this town, and get them mad enough to show for meetings, we may provide some serious resistance to their little kingdom. But...... |
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Oct 24 2012 at 5:12pm
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Staff members of The Inspection Group have been subcontractors for the national REAC contractors of Building Inspection Service (BISCO), MTB and Insurance Services Office, (ISO). REAC inspection experience includes work performed under all three of the HUD REAC programs, the MOBIS (REAC Pilot Program), National Inspection Contract (NIC), and Baseline Inspection Contract (BIC). Our REAC inspection work has taken us to locations throughout the mid-west and southeastern states, including large public housing authorities of New York City, Boston and Cleveland to mention a few. Various properties include inspecting public housing, Section 8 project based, home-ownership, and HUD/FHA insured and assisted multifamily, elderly, and group home properties.Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Oct 24 2012 at 5:14pm
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Spider, What about Marty Kohler?
should he be first to go? Section 8 is the problem when it is over saturated in a city the size of Middletown in the condition that it is in. Most of people resonsible for Section 8 are long gone from City hall. When Judy G first took over as City manager, one of her first Manager report to the city council was to due away with Section 8 in Middletown. Later she discover it easy said than done. Doug Adkins, once he was put in charge of Section 8, I personally believe he has made an honest effort in attempting to reduce the # of vouchers in Middletown. Noone in City hall has mentioned anything about throwing any one off their vouchers. The reduction in vouchers is to be done through attrition. Not to just rush in and throw 1000 voucher holders out in the street. Excessive Section 8 is a multi faceted problem. Some of the problems are: 1.) with about 1/3 of the students in the school system on Section 8 this negatively impacts the scholl systems. I am not saying all kids contribute to the problem, but when you have 1800-1900 hundred students whose families are on section 8 many cause additional issues for the school system, which results in the low performance of Middletown schools. Then when you take into acc**t the other 50%of the population which lives below the poverty level in Middletown, your problems at the schools multiply. 2.) consumers with disposable income. Disposable income in Middltown is low compared to many other cities due to Section 8, due to 60% of the popluation living below the poverty level. now I realize the low poverty helps some of your businesses, but for the rest of us it henders new businesses moving to Middletown. 3.) Many not all section 8 residents are not law abiding citizens you should know this as well as anybody else. If Section 8 voucher holders are not criminals who's conning the landlords. Pacman |
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Oct 24 2012 at 5:37pm
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Once again LH4, You didn't answer my question. Let me simply it for you. 1.)are you a Section 8 Landlord?
2.) do you live in the city of Middletown? |
Posted By: Middletown29
Date Posted: Oct 24 2012 at 6:03pm
| Kohler is retiring at the end of this year. Hopefully he takes Gilliland with him. |
Posted By: LH4
Date Posted: Oct 24 2012 at 6:12pm
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Pacman
In the past someone on here thought it was a good idea to list all the properties that certain people owned...which was NOT accurate information. Of course no one listed what amount of money was put into a building or house! Because you do not know. Once again, you do not address the effect of the cause! I do not need anything simplified. You can go to every meeting you would like.. and you will hear what they want you to hear. If the city makes it harder for landlords to rent their properties that THEY wanted landlords to buy and fix up...you will see more slumlords and run down properties. As far as me being a landlord... you are so concerned if I am or not. Why? I might tell the facts of the other side? That should not be a issue. |
Posted By: LH4
Date Posted: Oct 24 2012 at 6:18pm
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Pacman
You said 1/3 of the children. What about the schools that are in areas where no section 8 children live??? Why then are they not meeting the standards? If so barely.. Like I've said before...If you have children that IS the first thing you look at when choosing a new city!!! |
Posted By: LH4
Date Posted: Oct 24 2012 at 6:33pm
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Pacman
Since you have been to all the meetings... Did you know that the city will send a landlord a letter for something they see wrong on a property.? No letter will be sent to the home owner two doors down with windows broken, etc... Before you say it... I think it should ALL be fixed. The regular home owners will not do a thing..Some do not have the money. So what will the city do ? Nothing...enjoy looking at it! |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Oct 24 2012 at 8:04pm
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Vivian, I find it hard to believe that you continue to blame the Inspection group. |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Oct 24 2012 at 8:23pm
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Pacman It's like ganny said..if you poke a big stick in a hornets nest be prepared to be stung. I can’t wait to read Mr. Adkins answer to HUD.
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Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Oct 24 2012 at 9:09pm
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yes pacman my friend Mr.Kohler should be the first to go The fact that he remains speaks loudly of admin's priorities and true intent This situation was brought on by a LARGE # of city administrators and elected officials over an extended period of time. The long-term results have destroyed our community and made us the area poster child for what NOT to be. I honestly like Marty as a person, but strongly disagree with his policies. Amazing how some people are allowed to retire at their discretion, while others(like Mr.Tracy) are arrested. |
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Oct 24 2012 at 11:16pm
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LH4, You said you had no problem answering any questions, you obviously do. You talk like a landlord, act like a landlord and avoid saying your actually a landlord that you live in Middletown. Why the refusal to answer these simply questions as you said you would?? Are you ashamed of being a Landlord? As far as living in Middletown, are you ashamed of what you helped to create or do you only owe section 8 housing in Middletown and live elsewhere that doesn't have section 8 housing. About the schools, When people move to this city, they usually look at the overall score for the entire school district. Middletown comes in last every year for the county. and is going in reverse as far as indicators go. this scares off many new residents unless they figure out they can do what i did with my son and send him out of the district. You should look in the past when the city has sent out letters to resident about rusty gutters, broken windows, peeling paint etc; Insisting on repairs. Unless you file a complaint about your neighbor who is not on section 8 the city will most likely not look into the issue. section 8 homes are inspected regularly as has been stated on this forum, that is not a city rule, that is a HUD rule. Pacman |
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Oct 24 2012 at 11:31pm
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Pacman I’m not blaming the Inspection Group for this problem, however they were part of this mess. The inspection of Section 8 properties and the completion of the paperwork in a timely manner is critical to the tenant and the landlords. I agree vivian, Although I believe the issue was computer compatiblity among the 3 companies Mr. Adkins hired the Inspection Group while CONSOC had the Section 8 Program and it was a mess. When Nelson & Assoc took over the program they were using the Inspection Group and that didn’t work out either. The inspections are currently being completed by Chase Construction of Blue Ash, And I totally agree with you. The city should never have requested the last 800 vouchers. I would agree with this except the # should be 1200 not 800 The market value of any product is what the public is willing to pay for it. How do you know Slumlords don't own section 8 housing? Do you know all 500+ landlords personally? I stand corrected…No I do not know all 500 landlords. Vivian, If you give me some time, I'll dig out my list of all 500+ Sections 8 landlords Middletown. Or if you like it quicker contact Mike P and have it email it you. It is about 500 pages long |
Posted By: digger-2
Date Posted: Oct 25 2012 at 10:18am
| Name the one MUSA participant who has always complimented the Community Development Prosecutor and blames everyone else for our Section 8 problems? |
Posted By: over the hill
Date Posted: Oct 25 2012 at 2:47pm
| why has our city admin. been so fixated on the sec8 program instead of facing real problems of our city? the best way to reduce the number of vouchers is to reduce the need for them. that can be done with a four letter word JOBS!!! IS THIS ALL a smoke screen to hide their real inablity to move this city forward? |
Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: Oct 25 2012 at 2:58pm
| ...and the Sec 8 landlord trolls continue to come out into daylight and try to change the subject. |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Oct 25 2012 at 3:40pm
Interesting wording here over the hill. Given the stereotypical Section 8 handout recipient, I would hazard to guess that if this city provided those receiving taxpayer handouts jobs, we would still have a certain percentage that wouldn't work and be part of the solution and continue to be part of the problem. I would imagine we have some folks on Section 8 that actually need some help.......but should only be given that help for a short period of time.... not taking an endless handout and not making a career of scamming the taxpayer. It is the career Section 8 people that really need to be booted out to fend for themselves. The best way to reduce the vouchers is to slowly dissolve the program entirely and force the moochers to fend for themselves......or starve trying. Having compassion for people who really need the help is honorable. Having compassion for people who won't help themselves is being a fool and we taxpayers have been fools for far too long with some of these people. Screen 'em, weed 'em out and monitor the ones remaining. JMO |
Posted By: over the hill
Date Posted: Oct 25 2012 at 4:37pm
| I AGREE COMPLETLY THE PROGRAM SHOULD BE FOR THOSE IN NEED NOT A WAY OF LIFE |
Posted By: OVER SIGHT
Date Posted: Oct 27 2012 at 11:35pm
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HELL IN NEW YORK THERE WAS AN OUTRAGE OVER A SECTION 8 REDUCTION A FEELING OF FAILURE ON THE PART OF THE ELECTED OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE EVEN A TERMINATION OF THE HEAD OF STAFF. I FEEL FOR THE 3000 SCARED FAMILIES THAT THOSE VOUCHERS HELPED. WELL HERE IN MIDDLETOWN AT THE LAST SECTION 8 MEETING WHEN THE VOTE WAS TO GO AHEAD WITH 1000 VOUCHER REDUCTION I THOUGHT I HEARD A SINGLE CLAP IN THE AUDIENCE BOY I WONDER WHO THAT WAS?
Elected officials and advocates for low-income housing expressed outrage over the move and criticized the authority for failing to do enough to prevent 3,000 families from losing the vouchers they had been given. THIS IS WHAT WAS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE ARTICLE YOU POSTED IF ANYBODY BOTHERED TO READ ALL OF IT. Elected officials and advocates for low-income housing expressed outrage over the move and criticized the authority for failing to do enough to prevent 3,000 families from losing the vouchers they had been given. “It is shocking that the New York City Housing Authority is breaking its word to over 3,000 Section 8 voucher holders,” said City Councilman Bill de Blasio, a Democrat from Brooklyn. Steven Banks, the attorney in chief for the Legal Aid Society, said the agency’s actions would swell the city’s family shelter system. The Manhattan borough president, Scott M. Stringer, called for members of the authority’s governing board to resign. “I have a hunch that we’re about to be dealing with ‘Vouchergate,’ which is why we need city legislative hearings immediately,” Mr. Stringer said. |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Oct 28 2012 at 7:19am
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“It is shocking that the New York City Housing Authority is breaking its word to over 3,000 Section 8 voucher holders,” said City Councilman Bill de Blasio, a Democrat from Brooklyn.
Steven Banks, the attorney in chief for the Legal Aid Society, said the agency’s actions would swell the city’s family shelter system. The Manhattan borough president, Scott M. Stringer, called for members of the authority’s governing board to resign. “I have a hunch that we’re about to be dealing with ‘Vouchergate,’ which is why we need city legislative hearings immediately,” Mr. Stringer said. JUST WONDERING IF BILL DE BLASIO, STEVEN BANKS AND SCOTT M. STRINGER AND ANY OTHER "VOUCHER/SECTION 8/HELP 'EM OUT" PROPONENTS WOULD WELCOME THESE SAME PEOPLE INTO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD OR GIVE THEM A ROOM TO SLEEP IN THEIR HOUSE? ALOT OF COMPASSIONATE TALK AND OUTRAGE HERE FOR THE LACK OF SUPPORT FOR THE POOR FROM THESE PEOPLE, BUT WHEN PUSH COMES TO SHOVE, ME THINKS THE MOUTH IS OVERLOADING THE BUTT A BIT. WONDERING HOW MANY SECTION 8 HOUSES ARE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD? |
Posted By: digger-2
Date Posted: Oct 28 2012 at 12:04pm
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Going back to the 1970's, the city mostly ignored older, declining neighborhoods in favor of the Donham Plaza redevelopment plus the former downtown mall construction. Millions of tax dollars were spent on these projects while home ownership rates and property conditions in residential portions of Wards 2 and 1 (part) plummeted. The addition of Section 8 vouchers was viewed as a last resort to stabilize bad property conditions for rental properties in the above-noted areas. This was a too late cause and effect theory. The damage was already done. Government intervention is most times not the solution. Too bad that more private sector thinking wasn't present over the past 40 years. Before condemning Section 8 and landlords, I suggest that you look at history and how misguided plans brought all of this about. Will the Community Demolition Director's plans to demolish hundreds of homes in Wards 2 and 1 (part) create an environment that will promote enhanced home ownership plus ongoing property maintenance? The waste of millions of HUD funds recently has compounded an already bad situation.
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Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Oct 28 2012 at 12:13pm
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