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Middletown V. Greenville SC

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Topic: Middletown V. Greenville SC
Posted By: Mike_Presta
Subject: Middletown V. Greenville SC
Date Posted: Jan 25 2014 at 4:05am
Differences between Middletown and Greenville, SC that MMF will NOT recognize on their visit in April:

•     Greenville’s median age is 36.8
•     Greenville has over 77% white collar employment
•     75% of Greenville residents have at least some college; 52.1% have an associate degree or higher
•     The average household income in Greenville is $63,735
•     The average household net worth in Greenville is $398,346
•     The median home sale price in Greenville is over $144,000
(Source for bullet points: http://www.point2homes.com/US/Neighborhood/SC/Greenville-Demographics.html)

Let me go out on a limb and predict the conclusion that MMF and our “city leaders” will bring back:

WE MUST INVEST MORE OF THE TAXPAYER’S MONEY IN DOWNTOWN MIDDLETOWN!!!

I could’ve saved them (actually us) the cost of the trip.


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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012



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Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Jan 25 2014 at 4:34am
The differences between Middletown and Greenville, SC that MMF SHOULD recognize on their visit in April, but they won’t:

•     Greenville found a way to educate their children
•     Greenville has a much higher percentage of integral families than Middletown
•     A VERY LOW percentage of Greenville’s residents’ income comes from public assistance (TAKE NOTE!)
•     Greenville has jobs that keep their young adults in Greenville and has had an increasing population
•     Greenville has a record of increasing income
•     Greenville had input from actual business people with business plans and marketing studies behind its growth, not just pipe dreams by people looking for a ride on the taxpayers’ dime

MMF and our “city leaders” will ignore these points, and somehow justify another round of the same old, failed, risky schemes that we have been trying over and over in the past and that have gotten us where we are today.


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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012


Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Jan 25 2014 at 5:11am
The other point that our fearless leaders will ignore is the actual “lay of the land”. Greenville is arguably the more “urbane” of the Greenville-Spartanburg “metroplex”. These two small cities are both county seats, and, while only a few miles apart, they are the only cities of any size for miles around in any direction. There are dozens of surrounding smaller towns.

Unlike Middletown, (which has much larger cities just to the north and south) people for miles around look to Greenville or Spartanburg for the “big city” amenities not available for many miles in any direction. This makes them much “bigger” than Middletown in a way, even though their populations are just 10% or so higher. They draw events (such as Disney on Ice, concerts, touring stage plays, gun shows, and the like that would naturally flow to Cincinnati or Dayton in our area.

I doubt that our “visionary” leaders will see or understand this.


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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012


Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Jan 25 2014 at 5:55am
They didn't leave the article on the main page of the Journal-News very long. In case you missed it, here's the link:
http://www.journal-news.com/news/news/middletown-group-hopes-to-learn-carolina-magic/nc2Mz/

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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012


Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Jan 25 2014 at 8:16am

Posted: 5:00 p.m. Friday, Jan. 24, 2014

Middletown group hopes to learn Carolina magic

By  http://www.journal-news.com/staff/rick-mccrabb/" rel="nofollow - Rick McCrabb

Staff Writer

MIDDLETOWN — 

A Middletown community improvement corporation hopes to learn the secrets behind the successes of a city in South Carolina.

Members of Middletown Moving Forward, a partnership between government and business leaders, are hoping to tour Greenville, S.C., over three days in April, meet with city officials and business owners and bring back what they learned to see if they can rekindle the Middletown magic.

Middletown Mayor Lawrence Mulligan Jr. said he envisions a trip similar to the one that was taken to Paducah, Ky., in 2008, which planted the seed to the growth of the downtown arts community.

“We need to see what works compared to our needs and get rolling on some stuff,” Mulligan said. “It’s worth exploring.”

Rick Pearce, president of the Chamber of Commerce Serving Middletown, Monroe and Trenton, said he hopes to “learn from what worked there and emulate them.” He said it’s important to identify any community that’s successful if its fingerprint is similar to Middletown’s.

“We need to find out how they did it,” he said.

Calista Smith, interim director of Middletown Moving Forward, said the group needs to concentrate on economic development and see how Greenville officials “pulled it together with the resources and strategies.”

The retail center of the region, Greenville’s downtown district, began to languish in the 1960s as shopping centers lured the retailers and customers to the suburbs.

Marion Mann, senior marketing director for Greenville’s chamber of commerce, grew up in the city, and said when she was in high school, downtown was “not the place to go” because of limited attractions and a high crime rate. Now, she said, the only reason to avoid downtown: the crowds.

Middletown leaders said they’d love to have that problem. When the Towne Mall opened in the East End in 1977, it attracted major retailers, and some say, was the beginning of the death of downtown. Now even the mall, under new ownership and with a new name, is struggling to fill its empty retail space.

Once vibrant, Middletown’s downtown is dominated by empty buildings and “for lease” signs despite a significant investment by the city. The Manchester Inn, former “gem” of downtown, has been closed for more than three years and is being sold by the city.

There have been downtown successes: the Pendleton Art Center, the Broad Street Bash, a summer concert series, the opening of Cincinnati State Middletown, BeauVerre Riordan Stained Glass Studio and new restaurants and bars.

But nothing like the economic development seen in Greenville.

In the 1980s, Greenville turned to laying the foundation for its downtown vision and providing an example of business potential to encourage business relocation to downtown, Mann said. She said the biggest news: the opening of the Greenville Commons/Hyatt Regency hotel.

The city worked with consultants to develop and implement a downtown master plan and facilitated public-private investment partnerships that resulted in the city’s first luxury convention hotel on Main Street, Mann said.

She said through the 1990s Greenville continued to strengthen its public/private partnerships to create strong anchors throughout downtown. The city redeveloped a languishing industrial area adjacent to the West End Historic District into a thriving performing arts complex that incorporated historically significant buildings. It then stabilized the stagnant historic district with the transformation of an abandoned cotton warehouse into the West End Market, a mixed-use project of shops, restaurants, and offices, which in turn encouraged adaptive reuse of several other historic buildings throughout downtown, she said.

The city’s initiative to invest in its blighted urban center at a time when such revitalization was unpopular, not only successfully encouraged private investment, but also eventually garnered recognition from municipalities across the United States.

The National Trust for Historic Preservation awarded Greenville with the Great American Main Street Award in 2003 and 2009. Since then it has been featured in numerous publications, including Southern Living Magazine.

Mann said about 12 representatives from cities around the United States tour Greenville yearly. On Friday, city officials from Statesboro, Ga., were there, she said.



Posted By: bumper
Date Posted: Jan 25 2014 at 8:21am
yep I read that and thought to myself?? WTH!! city leaders and these MMF group really that damn stupid???


Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Jan 25 2014 at 8:44am
The other big difference that our myopic leaders will likely overlook???

Interstate highway spur I-385 dumps right into downtown Greenville, a scant four or five blocks from Greenville Commons/Hyatt Regency hotel!!! If they tax us to our bottom dollars, they will never be able to get an interstate highway that close to downtown Middletown, yet they refuse to admit that this is a factor.

(Interstate access is a common feature of nearly every downtown that has experienced a rebirth.)

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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012


Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: Jan 25 2014 at 8:46am
Another boondoggle trip on the heels of the Paducha trip that was a bust? My, what a waste Larry and Company.
 
Firstly, climate has a lot to do with it, which Middletown does not have. Greenville also has numerous corporate headquarters that lease/ own property downtown, which include Denny's restaurants, and others. The Marriott has a corporate footprint there, and they have a nice Hyatt. More importantly, they have the BMW plant which produces the z3 and e36 frame and engine (3 series). Add to that Converse College.
 
So Larry, the key is attracting key large businesses, some F1000's to downtown Middletown, and a large European car maker like Mercedes to downtown Middletown. Of course, BMW left to avoid the unions.
 
Each passing day, I think of Laura Williams, Schiavonie, Arbruster, and the countless poor council members and think....this current council actually exceeds them in poor decision making and waste of funds. How Middletown residents can stomach such ignorance is beyond pale.    
 
Maybe when they come back, Pearson will put Airbus and Mercedes on the radar screen for a tasrget inclusion downtown for its corporate headquarters. Assuredly they will take the golf clubs, don't want to waste the boondoggle and maybe even a spring break trip for the kids at home.
 
By the way, did not Kaye know Greenville-Spartenburg well and tell them all this? Maybe that's why he left, they didn't like the answer interfering with their dream.
 
In the Land of the Blind....you better have a smart seeing eye dog. Middletown doesn't. 


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'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill


Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: Jan 25 2014 at 8:58am
Sidenote:
 
For 14 years Middletown has tried to become Lebanon.
 
I argue 9 out of 10 Americans know a short 5 mile drive to ebanon to see how they did it is shorter than a 800 roundtrip drive to Greenville South Carolina. Greenville's key is they are bringing corporate headquarters in to downtown. Middletown's problem is corporate headquarters are leaving downtown and Middletown at large.
 
Middletown will never be Greenville/ Spartanburg. Nor Lebanon.
 
I suggest you figure how to keep businesses from leaving; then focus upon how to attract them. Many times its wise to know who you are to frame what you want to become. Cosmetic surgery does have limitations.


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'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill


Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Jan 25 2014 at 11:38am
"Middletown Mayor Lawrence Mulligan Jr. said he envisions a trip similar to the one that was taken to Paducah, Ky., in 2008, which planted the seed to the growth of the downtown arts community."

NOPE LARRY BABES, REALLY DIDN'T DO SQUAT AS THE "GROWTH OF THE DOWNTOWN ARTS COMMUNITY HASN'T AMOUNTED TO MUCH OF ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE TAXPAYER FORCED PENDLETON TRAGEDY AND THE TAXPAYER MONEY-BORROWING BEAU VERRE FLEECING. THE RESTAURANTS CLOSE AS FAST AS THEY ARE BORN AND MOST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FOOT TRAFFIC TO WARRANT STAYING OPEN. THIS STARTED WAY BACK DURING THE QUISNOS DAYS.

“We need to see what works compared to our needs and get rolling on some stuff,” Mulligan said. “It’s worth exploring.”

AND YOU SEE LAWRENCE, THAT STATEMENT IS WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUR IDEAS. "COMPARED TO OUR NEEDS"......OUR NEEDS. NOT WHAT THIS CITY NEEDS FOR THE GENERAL HEALTH TO SURVIVE......JUST YOUR DAM NEEDS. WRONG POMPOUS A-- ATTITUDE MULLIGAN. GOOD LORD, YOUR ARROGANCE IS OVERWHELMING.

“We need to find out how they did it,” he said

OH, NOW YOU WANT TO FIND OUT "HOW THEY DID IT" PEARCE? I THOUGHT YOU DOWNTOWN SAVIORS HAD ALL THE ANSWERS ALL THIS TIME. JUST NOW FINDING OUT IT AIN'T WORKING ARE YA? MERCY, ARE YOU PEOPLE SLOW.

"Calista Smith, interim director of Middletown Moving Forward, said the group needs to concentrate on economic development...."

NO KIDDING, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HUH? THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT MS. OBVIOUS. PROBLEM IS, NO ONE KNOWS HOW TO DO IT IN THIS TOWN.

"Once vibrant, Middletown’s downtown is dominated by empty buildings and “for lease” signs despite a significant investment by the city. The Manchester Inn, former “gem” of downtown, has been closed for more than three years and is being sold by the city."

FIRST TRUTHFUL STATEMENT IN THE WHOLE DAM STORY. WHEN YOU TELL IT THE WAY IT REALLY IS JOURNAL, YA JUST MIGHT START GETTING SOME RESPECT FOR YOUR NEWSPAPER.

"There have been downtown successes: the Pendleton Art Center, the Broad Street Bash, a summer concert series, the opening of Cincinnati State Middletown, BeauVerre Riordan Stained Glass Studio and new restaurants and bars."

BROAD STREET BASH- YES. PENDLETON CENTER-OFF AND ON SUCCESS. ARTISTS COME AND GO. OPENING OF CS?- NOT REALLY. YOU HAVE 800 PARTICIPANTS AT LAST COUNT. THE ORIGINAL GOAL WAS 5000 IN 5 YEARS. ALREADY CUT INTO THAT 5 YEAR TIME SPAN AND HAVEN'T REACHED 20% YET. SUCCESS OF CS- STILL TBD.....DOUBTFUL CATEGORY.

BEAU VERRE?- CATERS TO A VERY SMALL CONTINGENT OF THE POPULATION. REALLY NO MEANINGFUL IMPACT TO MENTION IT, MUCH LESS CALL IT A SUCCESS.

THIS IS ANOTHER BOONDOGGLE AND A JOKE AT BEST. ANOTHER "SEARCH FOR SUCCESS" AND "EMULATE SUCCESS" THEME THAT WON'T HAPPEN WHEN THEY RETURN. DIDN'T HAPPEN IN THE PAST AND WON'T HAPPEN NOW. THE MIDDLETOWN CONTINGENT ISN'T SMART ENOUGH TO PULL IT OFF JUDGING BY PAST ACTIONS. BOTTOM LINE....THERE IS NO TALENT IN THE RANKS OF THE CITY OFFICIALS, MMF NOR THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY TO TACKLE A PROJECT LIKE THIS. EVERYTHING THE MIDDLETOWN DECISION-MAKERS TOUCH TURNS TO CRAP. THIS WHOLE SCENARIO IS DISGUSTING TO READ. YOU AREN'T GOING TO "REKINDLE THE MIDDLETOWN MAGIC" WITH THE CURRENT CREW RUNNING THIS CITY. CAN'T DO IT IF THEY'RE CLUELESS ON WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AFTER ALL THIS TIME.





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I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over.


Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: Jan 25 2014 at 4:12pm
Larry, Rick, Ann, Judy, and others:
 
While in Greenville, please stop by the street maintenance department and also the fire and police units.
 
You might learn the benefit of annual street funding, and using volunteers to offset Middletown's bloated payroll.
 
 . http://www.greenvillecounty.org/Public_Works/Eng.asp" rel="nofollow - http://www.greenvillecounty.org/Public_Works/Eng.asp


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'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill


Posted By: Justsayin
Date Posted: Jan 25 2014 at 7:10pm
Just buy some additional buildings then give them to someone. Mulligans and Gilleland don't understand the first thing about business. I wish they would just get a one way ticket to Greenville! Don't come back. Do us all a favor!


Posted By: over the hill
Date Posted: Jan 26 2014 at 2:41pm
Like you said artists come and go at PAC only so much art one can buy before you run out of walls. Nice idea but not enough support in Midd to sustain it! But you should know that by now. Stained, since they lost their chef things aren't looking so good. Someone was in ther Fri night ,only two tables with customers, can't sustain existence that way..also heard he's going to open a new RESTURANT in partnership with Putter's down on Cinn-Day road across the street from Putter's. I'm looking forward to that. The little enclave of investors in the Stained might be able to keep it running for a while but I doubt it. IMO



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