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Pacman
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jun 02 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2612 |
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Can Middletown File Chapter 9 Bankruptcy and get out from underneath the section 8 contracts with the feds and force the public employee unions back to the table to renegotiate their contracts much like the city of Vallejo in California did?
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TonyB
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jan 12 2011 Location: Middletown, OH Status: Offline Points: 631 |
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sj,
A thought provoking rant that has a solution with which I am in complete agreement. The only way to change the current direction of this city is to change everything about it from the ground up. I would say you have reason to be bitter; it's not like this city government has done anything to help you and your business. I only hope your business will survive until the rebuilding takes place. greygoose, It really isn't a matter of opposing EVERYTHING this council offers; it's more about the mixed messages that this council offers. If you listen to them, we have vague "problems" but are "moving forward". Nothing could be further from the truth in that regard; the region around Middletown is moving forward. This city is reaping what has been sown for the last 30 years of myopic vision and is now reeling from the effects of overtaxation and poor execution of previous economic development plans. While Mr. Adkins plan might look good on the surface, the track record of city government makes trusting any plan they come up with problematic. As for the out-of-town property owners, if you can't get them to clean it up under current laws, charging them a "registration fee" isn't going to motivate them to do anything more than they are doing now. It's just another revenue generator for the city which will be wasted on another half-assed attempt to maintain the status quo. Why not try boycotting those out-of-town landlords who won't repair their properties? Maybe that will motivate them to either sell or repair. |
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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thanx 4 the insight, mr.goose
hope that u don't get cooked Informative and thought-provoking. 40% rentals in a town of this size is incredible. Even more incredible is the metamorphosis that brought us to those figures. I have lived here for my entire life--went through the public school system k-12, and have been in business locally throughout. I can't accept the concept that our own local govt. has long-term led us into this situation simply to pad their pockets, their cronies' pockets, and to provide long-term job/bennie security. I also rate the current and last Councils as being the most destructive in my memory. Add in the direction of Admin, and we have a very citizen/business unfriendly situation If you are small, local or retail, Economic Development doesn't exist. You are merely here to pay the city piper for countless over-regulatory legalities and little to no support or services. I am the owner of an 86yo business that has thrived locally until the last decade. I have survived every kind of competition imaginable, however I can no longer win vs. the current levels of small crime and the demographic rate of poverty. Living wage jobs don't exist here. Quality of life shopping/entertainment options are few and far between here. No one with anything going for them is going to move here. I live in a reasonably upscale neighborhood, yet the home next to me has been vacant for over two years. It is in serious dis-repair and completely over-grown. The city has ignored the situation. I operated two businesses in once-thriving strip centers.. The first went vacant, and I operated there 30 years as the only business in a center that looks like something out of bombed-out Baghdad. I went through countless ED directors who promised tenants within 6 months. Never heard from any of those ED people again. All packed up and left. I also operated in another once-thriving retail center which is currently following the same course. Didn't like what I sensibly had to do, I took my losses and vacated both locations. Didn't need to go through the decline twice. Local businesses are on their knees like never before, and competition has nothing to do with their problems. Thefts, break-ins, vandalism,and low-income demographics are more than small businesses can over-come when it goes on for as long as it has(and will continue) here. I have had enough of our Council and Administration. I have no faith in either of them. I don't trust them, and don't agree/approve with their actions. My only method of recourse is to starve them into submission via the ballot box. I will not support them on any issues until I see serioua about-face change(I don't see it coming from this group). Tear this system down, and re-build from the ground up. Painful but necessary. Mr.Adkins? Maybe what he is doing now is necessary to begin the journey back to where we need to be. ]I don't see anything else moving us towards prosperity. It surely won't be art galleries and property giveaways and a pipe dream about an area that no longer has any significance in our recovery. A few years ago, we were told that the east end was our salvation. That situation has blown apart, and never gets a mention any more. An embarrassing entrance to our community, now book-ended by the never-ending re-do on the western front. Can we stick with something until we get it right? jm bitter o end of rant
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greygoose
MUSA Resident Joined: May 19 2012 Status: Offline Points: 158 |
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Vivian,
I am not here to serve as your personal statistician. You asked me a question and I did my best to give you a legitament answer. I'm not sure why, because after checking some of your posting history, I can tell that it wouldn't matter what I said. The use of "Badlandlord LLC" was nothing more than a silly metaphor and I could have used a PO box in Springfield,Ohio just as easily. What is your point? If you know that a large percentage of landlords are from out of town, why did you ask the question? If you know this, then you should understand the difficulties in gaining compliance. Rentals represent 40% of the city's housing stock. You do the math. I am not saying that I like what I see in Middletown. I don't! But griping about the decisions of "past" city leaders and opposing EVERYTHING that is proposed from current leadership is not going to solve anything. I happen to think that Mr. Adkins has a better plan for the city's future than any city official that has been around in the past 20 years. Now it's my turn to ask a few questions. I noticed in a prior post that you stated that Mr. Adkins hadn't reduced the number Section 8 of vouchers: 1. Do you think that it for the lack of effort on his behalf? 2. Do you think that he is in favor of 40% of our housing stock being rentals? 3. Did he cause the poverty & blight? I do agree that the city needs to be held to the same standards. At the last council meeting, I thought that Walter Leap did a good job of getting that message across. |
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LMAO
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 28 2009 Location: Middletucky Status: Offline Points: 468 |
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Just another way for our deadbeats in city hall to make up money that they have threw away.Sorry but I refuse to give in to them.Be a cold day in hell before I register my properties to satify the idiots in city hall. |
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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greygoose
MUSA Resident Joined: May 19 2012 Status: Offline Points: 158 |
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Ms. Moon
The most current numbers that I can find are two years old and are "approximate" because they were derived from percentages: 1. 3,600 subsidized rentals 2. 5,400 non-subsidized rentals 3. 2,100 non-subsidized rentals with out of town owners I have no information concerning the trailer parks. I do not see banks as a separate issue. They my not be rental properties but their abondoned properties are an eyesore to our community and they are related because the city has the same issue with them as they do with out of town landlords....."they can't be compelled to comply because they can't be served" |
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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greygoose
MUSA Resident Joined: May 19 2012 Status: Offline Points: 158 |
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VietVet,
I couldn't agree more with your statement. For ten years, they pursued these vouchers like there was no tomorrow and now they are doing everything in their power to get rid of them. Like you said: "it is puzzling". Do you know what year Mr. Adkins took on his current position with the city? |
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greygoose
MUSA Resident Joined: May 19 2012 Status: Offline Points: 158 |
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Vivian,
You mention that there are already laws on the books to deal with any rental property problem. With that said, I have a question: "How does the city compel Badlandlord, LLC to comply with building code violations if the only contact information they have is an out of state PO box and the property owner refuses to accept any correspondence from the city"? The same is true of out of state banks. Let say that JPMorgan Chase makes a determination that the value of one of their properties in Middletown insn't worth the cost of needed repairs and ongoing maintenance. What do you think that they are going to do? What law on the books allows the city to compel their compliance? The registration process is the "tool" that they need to enforce the existing laws. I do think that there is some merit to the belief that money and control are a motivation, I just don't think that it the primary driver. |
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rngrmed
MUSA Citizen Joined: May 06 2009 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 309 |
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I thought Republicans were about less Government....or is that only when you ask them to do something for you? When it comes to taking your money..We need another layer
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rngrmed
MUSA Citizen Joined: May 06 2009 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 309 |
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Why single out the landlords? Why not all property owners? There are plenty of property owners that don't mow their grass or take care of their houses as well.
Again, what about businesses? I've seen several shops that rent that property looks run down
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Middletown29
MUSA Citizen Joined: Mar 30 2011 Status: Offline Points: 474 |
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Vivian Vivian there you go again. Why can't you address the issue at hand instead of just constantly trashing the city?
I am no great fan of the city, but you throw mud at everything the city tries. |
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Observer
MUSA Immigrant Joined: Dec 08 2009 Status: Offline Points: 46 |
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Tony, We all know we can sit here and lambast city hall all day long but that has nothing to do with what i was saying. We all know past performance is a strong indicator of future behavior but it doesn't have to be. All i was trying to convey was what i saw when reading the tea leaves. Nothing more nothing less....not saying a $25 fee will solve or won't solve our problems with section 8, merely taking what I've heard some in the city admin say and applying it to this situation. As i said initially, i'm plyaing devils advocate. I'm certainly not taking up the cause to establish this fee.
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Citizen123
Outsider Joined: May 21 2012 Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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I am close to this issue and the $25.00 fee that is being thrown around is not going to be the fee, not even close. More like $100.00 to $250.00/year per mail box. With 2 new salaries, about $80k/year with benefits,
2-vehicles and computer software. This cost will be passed on to the tenants. |
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TonyB
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jan 12 2011 Location: Middletown, OH Status: Offline Points: 631 |
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Observer,
The city has expressed many "strong desires" in recent years. Actions speak louder than words. All you have to do is look at the track record of Middletown in the "desires" vs actions category to see where this is headed. This will do what the "Master Plan" has been unable to accomplish to date: reduce the population to around 25,000! When property owners can't rent without the consent of government, more houses will be abandoned and demolished. High taxes, no jobs and overpriced and over regulated housing will insure the continued death spiral. BTW, doesn't the already have housing inspectors? Aren't their already laws on the books to deal with this problem? |
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Observer
MUSA Immigrant Joined: Dec 08 2009 Status: Offline Points: 46 |
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Like I said initially. I have no inside information and I'm not disputing whether Mr. Adkins has reduced the number of section 8 to date. What I am saying is that he has said he/ admin. have expressed a strong desire to reduce the number over several years and I'm merely saying this maybe one way to do so. Yes the city did get us into this problem but I don't think any of the current council members were part of the group that allowed this explosion to happen in the early 2000's.
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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VietVet
MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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If as you say, I commend Adkins and company for reducing all Section 8. I'd like to see it gone for good. Good observation on the intent. What is puzzling is that the city did everything they could to invite as much Section 8 blight to the city while helping drive the city to ghetto status for the almighty fed dollars......now, a change of heart on reducing it??? What happened? Did they finally see the error of their ways? |
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Observer
MUSA Immigrant Joined: Dec 08 2009 Status: Offline Points: 46 |
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Let me play devils advocate for a moment as I'm not convienced either way on this one. If I had to read between the lines on this one I suspect this is one way that Adkins and the admin is trying to run off some of the section 8. Whats one of the fastest ways to deter a business to leave or not come to your town...tax it. Since Middletown can't just call up HUD and give back vouchers they have to show that the demand isn't there. If landlords don't want to pay the $25 or be have an aversion to being registered then take your business to another city. I haven't talked to anyone with knowledge of the situation but that's my guess as to the real reason behind this plan. Most on this board feel that MiddletownUSA drove the section 8 problem to the front burner a few years back. This may or may not be true but lets say that the city is using this fee and registration as a deterent to potential new or existing landlords (the bad kind). Shouldn't we at least give them some credit for trying to reduce the numbers?
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VietVet
MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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Don't understand. If the city's only need is for registration of properties around town, sit someone down at the computer at the city building, get on the Butler County Auditor's site, do a property search and compile a rental/vacancy list for Adkins. Hell, get on the phone and call the landlords to get verification. The city already knows where the apartments and vacant properties are. Why does the city think they need to charge the landowners a $25 fee and set up another paperwork ladened system to verify their properties when they can get the info. free? The only conclusion one could come to is that it is yet another attempt to concoct another revenue generation scheme for a cash strapped city. Those folks in the city building refuse to generate revenue the old fashion way......through company and payroll taxes. That would require an effort on their part to start bringing companies and jobs into the city. We can't have that, now can we. Between council's rubber stamp decision making and the circus in the city building, this town has got to have the most inept collection of city leaders of any town in Ohio.
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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