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Marianne
MUSA Resident Joined: Jul 13 2008 Location: here Status: Offline Points: 165 |
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The half a million dollars was awarded for projects that somehow improve energy efficiency, so restoring a vault in a cemetery does not seem to meet the requirements of the funds. I'm not certain of the name of the grant the city received, but I think that it was described as money to be used for projects related to improving energy usage, which is why the City Manager asked for council input regarding whether the money should be used to retrofit an old city owned building with things like energy efficient bulbs, I guess, or completing the bike path. Using a bicycle is the most energy efficient mode of transportation I believe.
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katiebell
MUSA Immigrant Joined: May 28 2009 Status: Offline Points: 21 |
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Why can't a small portion of this money be used for the vault and cemetary? It would leave plenty for the roads in town. All they have to do is say they want to fix the road through the cemetary. It may be a white lie, but they are masters of lies!
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Hermes
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: May 19 2009 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 1637 |
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I fail to comprehend the need to spend fund's for a bike path when our street's are in such shambles. During economic turmoil one must make a sacrifice for the better of one's self. I do not see city council making this sacrifice as they expect the citizens to do. Again it is the blind trying to lead more people into the darkness.
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No more democrats no more republicans,vote Constitution Party !!
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Pacman
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jun 02 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2612 |
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Someone please estimate the gas savings in doing this Bike path. Is it at least $490,000.00 in the next 50 years? I doubt it. There are far more important projects that could be done that will come out of all of the taxpayers pockets this money could be used for. Bike Path repair and finishing is not high on that list.
Bike Path finishing is a high priority, maintaining the City owned Cemetery is not.......go figure, you have got to love the working of mind at City Government. It is sad that this City is built on a dysfunctional City Hall Government, that always has its hand out for the Citizen to do their job.
Sorry John but I don't see enough people using this Bike Path to make it worth $500k at this time.
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Mike_Presta
MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483 |
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HUH??!? I can't swim or ice skate!!
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Pacman
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jun 02 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2612 |
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ahhhh come om Mike if you lived in Franklin and worked in Middletown wouldn't you take the Bike Path in December.
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Mike_Presta
MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483 |
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First, the pictures make it obvious that the problem would require an EXPENSIVE fix! The problem is the “base” (or sub-base), and would require extensive excavation and engineered backfill, at a minimum! Also, the pictures seem to indicate that this section of the bike path is on the “river side” of the levee. If this is true, ‘tis folly to try to either repair or extend the path in its current configuration and this entire section has been a WASTE of public funds. Second, the City Manager has proposed "to make the final 2 mile connection of our bike path to Franklin” and did not mention any repairs to existing portions of the path. If she maintains a consistent policy (with that used for the vault at Middletown’s Pioneer Cemetery) since there is no money for restoration of the path, it must be DEMOLISHED, especially since this now has been reported and is a LIABILITY for the City. Third, the City Manager is using the same sort of convoluted logic typical of Middletown’s Council and City Hall when she states “Activities that might be eligible include bike paths (due to fuel conservation)…”! This implies that trips by bike would “REPLACE” trips by fuel-burning vehicles. I can’t imagine this to be true. If anything, this would INCREASE fuel usage by encouraging people to load their expensive bikes onto their gas-guzzling SUVs; drive TWO vehicles to their destination point, then drive one vehicle to their starting point, peddle to their destination, load their bikes onto the destination vehicle, drive BACK to the starting point, pick up the first vehicle, then drive the TWO vehicles home. Can ANYONE explain to me how this “CONSERVES” fuel? |
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Pacman
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jun 02 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2612 |
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John it would have to encourage 1000's to make it worthwhile under the current circumstances and I doubt that will happen. I can think of better ways to spend the money.
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John Beagle
MUSA Official Joined: Apr 23 2007 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 1855 |
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To answer your question Spiderjohn, not many use it at all.
2 reasons why it makes sense. 1. The path as it sits right now is a hazard. 2. It may encourage others to use it. Hate to see such a nice path just wash away. It is only a small section that needs repairs. You can't quite tell from this photo, but there is a 6" drop that is not noticeable until you are right on top of it. I almost crashed because the sign wasn't very visible. |
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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I know very few people who use this bike path, and most that do say that it is nasty, filthy and smelly. A half mill ought to buy a pretty nice bike path(for what reason?).
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VietVet
MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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John- I guess in making a decision on to spend money/or not spend money on the continuation of the bike path, I would ask the question- How many people would use this bike path after completion? When I drive down around Carmody Blvd. and Bicentennial Commons, I have yet to see this path being used. Granted, it's only occasionally that I take that drive, but I can't help thinking that there are better things to spend this money on for more bang to the buck. Spending this money on upgrading money sucking city buildings would save the city more money in the long run than the path, would it not? What monetary rewards would we keep getting back with the bike path for years to come? JMO
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409
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Mar 27 2009 Status: Offline Points: 1014 |
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Gilleland also states:
Energy Grant $490,000: Bike Path or Building Improvements
Good news! We have been notified that we are the recipient of another $490,000 in stimulus funds to be used for energy efficiency related activities. Activities that might be eligible include bike paths (due to fuel conservation) and renovations to city facilities to conserve energy. Renovations to facilities would include lighting, HVAC systems, windows, energy efficient pumps and the like. We are having staff discussions right now about finding the most appropriate project. We have a number of older city-owned buildings in need of improvements that would qualify for the energy efficiency grant, which would in turn provide a return with energy savings year after year. At the same time, it would be great to make the final 2 mile connection of our bike path to Franklin, which would then connect us to a 6 county region with over 250 miles of pathway. If any council member has any thoughts on whether we should renovate a city-owned building or connect the bike path, please let me know. Like many of the stimulus funds, we don’t have a lot of time to prepare the application, so we’ll need to make a decision in the near future. My preference is to finish the bike path. Judy, I (we) would like to know just what older city owned buildings you are referring to. Also, what the energy savings would amount to. Enough to renovate the vault at Pioneer Cemetery?
While the bike path is nice for the few who use it, it doesn't benefit the majority of the citizens and the so-called "fuel conservation" would at best be miniscule.
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John Beagle
MUSA Official Joined: Apr 23 2007 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 1855 |
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My preference is also a bike path. Repairs are needed to the existing one between Trenton and Middletown.
Check out this photo of a section that needs repairs: |
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John Beagle
MUSA Official Joined: Apr 23 2007 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 1855 |
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from the city manager's report:
Energy Grant $490,000: Bike Path or Building Improvements Good news! We have been notified that we are the recipient of another $490,000 in stimulus funds to be used for energy efficiency related activities. Activities that might be eligible include bike paths (due to fuel conservation) and renovations to city facilities to conserve energy. Renovations to facilities would include lighting, HVAC systems, windows, energy efficient pumps and the like. We are having staff discussions right now about finding the most appropriate project. We have a number of older city-owned buildings in need of improvements that would qualify for the energy efficiency grant, which would in turn provide a return with energy savings year after year. At the same time, it would be great to make the final 2 mile connection of our bike path to Franklin, which would then connect us to a 6 county region with over 250 miles of pathway. If any council member has any thoughts on whether we should renovate a city-owned building or connect the bike path, please let me know. Like many of the stimulus funds, we don’t have a lot of time to prepare the application, so we’ll need to make a decision in the near future. My preference is to finish the bike path. |
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