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over the hill
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 19 2012 Location: middletown Status: Offline Points: 952 |
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Posted: May 16 2014 at 11:04am |
This law suit thing is really going to interrupt Dougie and Les's bid for city manger because now they have to hurry back to their offices and shred some more papers.LOL
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over the hill
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 19 2012 Location: middletown Status: Offline Points: 952 |
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Oh I'm sure you're right about that,VV. Some of these people are just trying to keep their jobs because they have bills to pay just like the rest of us. They will probably breathe a sigh of releif when she is finally gone. But don't think for a minute that we have seen the last her in this town There is another back room deal brewing if not already set for her in some capacity in this city, mark my words. IMO
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VietVet
MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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NOPE. THE CITY PEOPLE WON'T ADMIT TO ANY WRONGDOING ON THE PART OF ADKINS, EVEN IF PROVEN IN COURT. HE IS ONE OF THEM, AND AS SUCH, IS ACCORDED THE TREATMENT EXPECTED FROM THE "IN-CROWD" AT DONHAM PLAZA. THERE CAN BE NO FOREGIVENESS NOR DISCIPLINE ADMINISTERED IN THE RANKS OF THE CITY POWER STRUCTURE IF THERE IS NEVER AN ADMISSION OR RECOGNITION OF GUILT FROM THOSE IN HIGHER POSITIONS. MOST IN THE CITY BUILDING IN HIGHER POSITIONS CAN DO NO WRONG. IT'S THE LOWER LEVEL WORKER WHO GETS STOMPED ON IF AN EXAMPLE IS TO BE MADE. PEOPLE LIKE DOUGGIE, LES AND MARTY ARE IN THE "NO-TOUCH ZONE". OH, AND ON THE TOPIC OF ARROGANCE.....PROBABLY A REQUIREMENT FOR EMPLOYMENT IN THE UPPER RANKS AT CITY HALL. I FEEL SORRY FOR THOSE EMPLOYED IN THE LOWER POSITIONS THERE. MUST BE A NIGHTMARE GOING IN TO WORK EACH DAY UNDER GILLELAND AND HER HENCHMEN. JUDGING BY PAST STORIES, PROBABLY A FEAR AND INTIMIDATION TYPE OF MANAGEMENT STYLE USED. |
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I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over.
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over the hill
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 19 2012 Location: middletown Status: Offline Points: 952 |
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Well here we go again Dougie has his but in trouble again because of what he has done to the landlords in Middletown. I wonder if council has had a chance to read this article? Do you think it will influence their decision on Dougie for city manager because now the city has to defend him AGAIN in a law suit? Well Dougie you might want to reign in some of that arrogance. IMO
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VietVet
MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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I think when push came to shove, Ms. Andrew would "fall in line" with the rest of them. She certainly is to be commended for her participation in the school debate topics here, but seems to take the "city voice" side of things during the debate. She has to show support as the School Board President whether she truely believes in the program or not. No independents, disagreeable/out of the box, or individual thinking allowed on the school board or council. Otherwise, you are labeled as (here's my favoite word).....DISGRUNTLED.
So much for independent thinking......or a new direction for that matter. |
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I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over.
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over the hill
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 19 2012 Location: middletown Status: Offline Points: 952 |
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Dean you are probably right. She would be a good council person. Lord knows we've drill her unmercifully on this forum and she holds her own and comes back for more. You have to respect her for that.
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Dean
MUSA Resident Joined: Apr 15 2014 Status: Offline Points: 162 |
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Marcia Andrew would be fantastic. She comes from a family with a financial and investment background, and she doesn't back down from a challenge. She knows Midedletown, its strengths and weaknesses.
Someone should be recruiting her over a bottle of Pinot noir.
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acclaro
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2009 Status: Offline Points: 1878 |
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processor, I know, and you are exactly right. The public sector folks like to keep it in the family.
I can relate to your reference. I had a friend who has a Stanford MBA, who ran IBM's higher education group (servives, hardware, software) for 30 years, who also ran their university donation program. After he retired, he thought, like your friend, he would do the same, give back, and wanted to work for a small private university in fund raising. After many interviews, and a year of time, he had no offers, as the schools couldn't bend an individual who had given them donations, knew the system, knew how to write massive grant requests, to hold a position internally. It was so biased, and he was so abundantly qualified, he went to work for a large Fortune 25. They will hire from the group of 5, but missing what the city needs to turn itself around. And for the reasons you correctly stated. |
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'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill
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processor
MUSA Resident Joined: May 07 2013 Status: Offline Points: 151 |
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Acclaro,
Assuming that you could find a private sector individual who would be willing to take it on I doubt if he would be hired. There appears to be a bias against private sector people. A buddy of mine was between jobs and thought it may be a way to give back if he took on the Economic Development job. He doesn't need the money. The guy is a Harvard graduate, was the Executive VP of Sales for a Fortune 250 company, had developed multi million dollar deals. Had been VP Operations for a Fortune 250 company. Knew about everyone (at high levels) in heavy manufacturing, Middletown's forte, and was willing to commit for a reasonable duration. He didn't get a second interview and they hired Robinette. I have about zero confidence that they would consider a person from private industry. Hopefully one of the 5 is what we need. I haven't been following it very closely and don't know any of the people so I can't judge. I am convinced that it needs to be someone from outside the current administration though. |
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acclaro
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2009 Status: Offline Points: 1878 |
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She is strongest of 5, if they stick to 5.
More seasoned to play "bad cop" on reductions and restructuring. Allows council to play good cop. No baggage, current city sings her praises. Passed on other offer closer to son; she probably has it. Concerns; sun-setting, returning where she began, retire, JG no. 2. Is it worth hiring her to make cuts, or pass levies? Do a 3 year deal with a private sector individual, $500,000. for period. |
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'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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I thought that she sounded good also
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over the hill
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 19 2012 Location: middletown Status: Offline Points: 952 |
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It looks like the lady from Oxford is the most qualified for the job here in Middletown. She has faced "turn-around" situations in other cities. She doesn't seem to be afraid to speck up if it doesn't look right.
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swohio75
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jun 13 2008 Status: Offline Points: 820 |
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I don't disagree. In fact, Middletown should look to hire a retired CEO with turnaround experience, even if his or her length of tenure with the city is short. Not sure the city needs another administrator who's going to stay 10 plus years, but someone who makes fast changes and lays the strategy for going forward. |
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over the hill
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 19 2012 Location: middletown Status: Offline Points: 952 |
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Imagine this Dougie: You are in a fine looking Jaguar(not unlike one Judy owns) waving to crowds of people lining the streets of Middletown. You can see their happy faces as they have gather here for just one thing. That is to watch you ride out of town, back to Mason never to return to Middletown!! Oh darn is that the alarm ringing?
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Mike_Presta
MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483 |
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By the way, Mayor Mulligan AGREES with me!!!
He stated in January of 2012, regarding many thing in Middletown, that he "doesn't believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” Well, we (the taxpayers) have "invested" millions of dollars into the "arts, antiques, and olde tyme downe towne Middletown failed risky scheme!!! What "return on investment" have we gotten for it??? The only returns we have gotten have been "imagined"!!! No one can provide any FACTUAL returns that we have gotten!!! We must STOP wasting our time, blood, sweat, and treasure on IMAGININGS!!! And we certainly cannot abide a city manager like Mr. Adkins who wants to "REIMAGINE"!!! |
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Mike_Presta
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That's exactly what is wrong with our city right now!! Too many things have been "imagined" to be factual!!! We do NOT need things to be "REIMAGINED"!!! We need city officials who will face FACTS...who will look at thing REALISTICALLY... and will allow our city an opportunity to PROSPER instead of stifling its growth and condemning its future to failure by their warped, unrealistic, completely "IMAGINED" view of our city!!! We cannot solve our problems until we first admit they exist. We cannot move forward until we first understand and realize where we are and with what we have to work. Our future is doomed unless we first accept our present reality!!! We MUST stop "IMAGINING" our current situation if we ever want to improve it!!! His "reimagining" statement alone disqualifies Mr. Adkins from further consideration as Middletown's City Manager!!! That is my opinion and I am entitled to it!!!
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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acclaro
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2009 Status: Offline Points: 1878 |
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Yes....private sector. For Middletown, not a requirement for existing 'stable' municipalities swOH75
Restructuring/ reengineering/ outsourcing experience a +. |
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'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill
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swohio75
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jun 13 2008 Status: Offline Points: 820 |
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So you'd prefer someone with a background as a CEO? |
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over the hill
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 19 2012 Location: middletown Status: Offline Points: 952 |
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Yes, yes, Vivian! I concur,,,
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Also, he
said, the city needs to established “a well-defined economic development plan.”
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I thought we had a well defined 5 years plan..and how has that worked out for us? I can tell you it has been an absolute disaster. You received 1.45 million dollars in assets for a little over $500,000 and you haven’t even been able to break even on the deals. City property with a value of over $5,000 was not placed up for bid as required by law but was given away. Property all over the City needs to be placed in the hands of local real estate agents to sell to replenish the coffers. And now Mr. Adkins we are going to discuss your action concerning the Bank One Deal. This alone disqualify you from becoming the next City Manager. I and Mr. William Barntiz Oglesby, grandson of man that built this bank contacted your office on numerous occasions ov er the past several years about purchasing this bank building. You told us both that the bank building was NOT FOR You then decided to put the deal before City Council…as emergency legislation, …using Landen Law, that’s the law that you can make up as ya go along…that you did not know the true value of…and sell it at a bargain basement price. And then you stood before council and stated you had not received any other bids on this property…when in fact you had received two higher bids from Mr. Robinett. Mr. Adkins, in all of my 72 years, I have never witnessed such unprofessional, unethical behavior and such blatant disregard for the rule of law, in a city meeting. as I did that evening. These are NOT the qualities that I want in a City Manager, nor in the current position that you now hold. |
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acclaro
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2009 Status: Offline Points: 1878 |
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Completely agree processor.
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'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill
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processor
MUSA Resident Joined: May 07 2013 Status: Offline Points: 151 |
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Acclaro,
If you want someone who is "flamboyant, driven, and generally serves as a catalyst" Rob Ford from Toronto is probably available. He is all those things and more! Plus he has Mayor experience! In all seriousness, Doug Akins' answers to the questions sound like answers a manager would give. I agree with Cohen and Paul Nagy that we don't need a manager...we need a rainmaker and a leader. We don't need to just get more efficient, we need a different approach. We also need someone to make wholesale changes at city hall and an "inside" person typically won't do that because these are the people he's worked with for years. |
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acclaro
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swOH75, yes, more on semantics, a hybrid type responsibility. Middletown doesn't need a ceremonial mayor, which is a glorified city council member, but a full-time mayor type, or mayor in title, that accepts more economic development responsibility, image building, along the lines of the role the city manager of Hamilton has. This may be the type of hybrid Ken Cohen was referring, what I call an X Boxer, thinker out of the box. Heavy economic background combined with leadership, and financial acumen. I see outsourcing, smart-sourcing playing a critical role going forward. That may have been Mr. Adkins reference to "re-imagining" future roles, contract employees, outsourcing functionality.
You bring up a good point; perhaps the city should be redefining its job description before evaluating and making a hire for a run of the mill city manager based upon the past, not future. |
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'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill
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over the hill
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You have to remember our city doesn't have the money we are going broke they tell us, but find money somewhere when it suits them.
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swohio75
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jun 13 2008 Status: Offline Points: 820 |
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Then the title is just semantics. The really nuts and bolts comes down to the job description and evaluation criteria. Cities like Dayton, Detroit and Cincinnati have full-time paid, elected mayors and full-time paid city managers. |
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