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Dooraghero 
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 Topic: Some random musings...Posted: Oct 16 2010 at 9:24am |
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"Mtown:
Consider this:
If you are so sure that it is a waste of time for us, then certainly it is a waste of time for YOU to read all of it, and an even greater waste of time for YOU to respond to it!!!" Touche! Mr. Presta.
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Would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that for one chance,just one chance to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives but they'll never take our FREEDOM
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middletownlost
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Posted: Oct 16 2010 at 7:54am |
Sorry to be so abrupt but thats the truth. Maybe it was like that in the old days, but they are long gone. Also I know that the here the Fire Department supervisors work calls just like their subordinates. The reason they make more money is because not only do they respond to calls, but they are responsible for all the shift paperwork and their men, not just themselves.
Just a thought to chew on.
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angelababy
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Posted: Oct 11 2010 at 10:38pm |
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The last two meetings by City Officials have been an embarrassment to this city and a disservice to the citizens. |
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Mike_Presta
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Posted: Oct 11 2010 at 3:03pm |
Consider this:
If you are so sure that it is a waste of time for us, then certainly it is a waste of time for YOU to read all of it, and an even greater waste of time for YOU to respond to it!!!
Why not do yourself (and all of us) a huge favor and stop wasting YOUR time visiting this board???
On a POSITIVE note, at least you don't waste any of YOUR valuable time THINKING before you respond!!!
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Nick_Kidd
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Joined: May 15 2009 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 112 |
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Posted: Oct 10 2010 at 11:13am |
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Mtown, thanks for that lesson on average. I think you must be talking about my questioning the 4 to 5 minute average response time of the police department. What I meant was that if an officer’s response time on one call is 1.5 hours (90 minutes) and his next ten calls all have a response time of three minutes (unheard of in Middletown-but this is just an example). That is 90 minutes for the first call, plus 30 minutes for the next ten call. 90 + 30 = 120 minutes for 11 response times. 120 minutes divided by 11 calls equals 10.90909 minutes (about 11 minutes) for the average response time. Ten response times at three minutes is unheard of in Middletown, but 90 minutes is closer to the average response time. I think that our city building has its own math system that we commoners can not understand. Maybe they put some of those minutes in another fund so we can’t find them. Or maybe they have the people that estimate the crowds a our events estimate average response time. This is not the fault of the patrol officers, this is because that out of about 80 officers, we only have seven patrol officers on the street at a time. I’m sure that all of you non-government citizens have read that when we hire a patrol officer another patrol officer moves up to sergeant, sergeant moves up….. So when we add a patrol officer it cost us at a much higher rate and we get another supervisor sitting around the coffee pot in the city building. This is also the reason the average policeman in Middletown cost us more than the average policeman in New York City. If we let the union keep having its way, in a few more years we will have 20 supervisors each costing us one million dollars each. I can hear them saying, “if you people want patrol officers on the street, you have to be willing to pay for them. Middletown will have high crime areas if you aren’t willing to pay for police with another safety levy.” Did you notice at the last council meeting that about 80 policemen in Middletown cost us over $12 million. That is an average cost of about $150,000 each. Also the dog catcher cost us about $84,000 if I remember correctly. Mike, Vet, Paul, please correct this figure if my memory is failing me. |
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Government is not the answer to problems, government is the problem.
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Paul Nagy
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Posted: Oct 10 2010 at 10:02am |
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Mtown,
In light of your comments (redundantly) about "unsubstantiated charges" with all the substantiated charges that have been put on these blogs over and over and what has been played out publicly and video recorded, it is obvious, there is never and in your mind will never be, anything wrong down at the city hall building, as far as you are concerned. Is it because you are part of the charges?
Further, your basic math lesson shows that as an accountant you know about the manipulative use of funds that goes on in the financial department. As you know to justify the playing around with the funds the argument has been advanced for years (I believe by you), " there are lots of accounting methods".
So let me be as redundant as you are. According to you, there has never been anything wrong at city hall and there never will be. Thou doth protest to much for what is obviously untrue.
Paul Nagy
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Mtown
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Posted: Oct 10 2010 at 8:54am |
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Kidd
A basic math lesson for you. Average In mathematics, an average, or central tendency[1] of a data set is a measure of the "middle" value of the data set. There are many different descriptive statistics that can be chosen as a measurement of the central tendency of the data items. These include arithmetic mean, the median and the mode. Other statistical measures such as the standard deviation and the range are called measures of spread and describe how spread out the data is. An average is a single value that is meant to typify a list of values. If all the numbers in the list are the same, then this number should be used. If the numbers are not the same, an easy way to get a representative value from a list is to randomly pick any number from the list. In the latter case, the average is calculated by combining the values from the set in a specific way and computing a single number as being the average of the set. The most common method is the arithmetic mean but there are many other types of central tendency, such as median (which is used most often when the distribution of the values is skewed with some small numbers of very high values, as seen with house prices or incomes).[2] |
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Mtown
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Posted: Oct 10 2010 at 8:50am |
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Nagy, Presta, Moon and spiderjohn,
Just more of the same old unsubstantiated charges and accusations. Not sure what you people feel you are accomplishing, but it sure seems like a waste of time. |
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Hermes
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Posted: Oct 09 2010 at 8:56pm |
If the city is aware by now of the families filing's then the city is no doubt covering their rearend's . And by wanting to bring Mr Wehr on board as some type of an expert the city probably thinks this will make themselves look good and again covers their rearend's. And in order to allow one outsider to sit on a board naturally all the boards will have to be set up the same way as to not look like they played games on just the cemetery board.
As they say,"your tax money at work".
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No more democrats no more republicans,vote Constitution Party !!
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Pacman
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Posted: Oct 09 2010 at 7:50pm |
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It could also be tied to the fact that they have other outsiders already on other boards, such as the Airport Board.
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Nick_Kidd
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Posted: Oct 09 2010 at 7:16pm |
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Mike, I do not know Fred Wehr and do not presume to speak for him. I think that in this case getting him to come to a cemetery board meeting and giving the board advice would be more likely than getting him to commit to being on a board in Middletown. But I don’t believe this push for outsiders on our boards has anything to do with Fred Wehr. I noticed that when city hall decided to lock the gates of the cemetery at 3:00 P.M. and keep them locked over weekends, they didn’t bother getting any advice from Mr. Wehr. When the city got complaints about the early locking they decided not to lock the gates at all. Did anyone ask Mr. Wehr for advice on this? It appears that city hall did not seek or did not take Mr. Wehr’s advice before, so why the sudden emergency to violate our charter to get him on a board now? Would he even serve on a board for the city? I repeat that I think this has more to do with the MMFers than it does Mr. Wehr. |
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Mike_Presta
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Posted: Oct 09 2010 at 5:47pm |
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This whole “let’s allow non-residents on boards and commissions” thing is ridiculous on the face of it. It is not only completely unnecessary, but also demonstrates both the highhandedness of those who favor it and the low regard they have for the citizenry of Middletown. Let’s examine the issue: First, let’s blow Councilman Picard’s stance completely out of the water by taking it one step farther: He says, for example, that since no one in the city knows as much about running a cemetery as Fred Wehr, but since Mr. Wehr does not reside in the city, then non-residents should be allowed on the cemetery board. Well, Councilman Picard, right now City Council is in charge of the cemetery, so following your own logic, perhaps you should:
To go a step farther, no one in Middletown has as much experience in turning around a failing city as Rudy Giuliani. Once again, using Councilman Picard’s logic, non-residents should be allowed on City Council and Councilman Picard should resign in favor of someone such as Mr. Giuliani. No, fellow Middletonians. Here is what Mr. Picard and others who favor non-residents on boards and commissions do not seem to understand: Middletown needs good citizens who are residents of Middletown and have this city’s best interests at heart in all of these types of positions!!! These good citizens do not necessarily need specialized knowledge. Although I do acknowledge that such specialized knowledge would be an asset, there are other ways that such knowledge can be accessed. It is up to each board or commission to seek the input that they need, but do not possess internally, in order to advise city council on matters under their purview. I fear that Mr. Picard and his cohorts do not even understand the true and legal purpose of the majority of Middletown’s boards and commissions. They have routinely allowed (and even encouraged) them to act illegally, and the City Law Director has sat silently by as if nothing wrong was transpiring!!! |
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Nick_Kidd
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Posted: Oct 09 2010 at 4:46pm |
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Spider, the truth about the storm water sewer fund-If you remember when a previous council told us that the storm water sewer charge was "federally mandated charge"? That was a lie! That was a scheme hatched in our city building to steal more money from the citizens, because council can raise water and sewer rates without a vote of the citizens. This money should go into an enterprise fund. Check with the city building about how much of the (if I remember right) $3 million per year is in the fund or been used for storm water sewers. I think you will find zero to be both answers. Remember that the small amount on residential property is dwarfed by the charges on business property. On commercial property the charge is based on the square footage of impervious area including roofs and parking lots. Even gravel parking lots are counted so the city can steal more money. If I remember the water bill on the old Wards building increased about $400 a month. Another welcome for businesses wanting to locate in Middletown! If you use a large building for several employees the city will steal hundreds of dollars a month under this ill-conceived plan. This doesn't count the sewer separation fund, billed under sewer on our water bills for about thirty five years, which was also an enterprise fund with hundreds of millions of dollars missing.
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Vivian Moon
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Posted: Oct 09 2010 at 12:31pm |
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I guess today is the day for me to break my silence.
Several citizens that have family buried at the We will present our case to the state mid December. So this may be the reason that the City decided to make it legal for Fred Wehr to serve as chairman of the Middletown Cemetery Board. I believe that those that have family member buried in this cemetery should be on this board. Tango is correct it doesn’t take an expert to see what is wrong with this cemetery. However I have great concerns that the City has changed the law to apply to ALL boards.
As I have said many times on this blog the |
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spiderjohn
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Posted: Oct 09 2010 at 11:40am |
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Thank you for your concerns and comments, Mr.Kidd.
Right on about how the $$ is being spent.
I think that you have made your case very well over the last few days.
Wondering when Mtown will post some facts to back up that smack, and post some "good news" about our future direction and decisions.
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Nick_Kidd
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Posted: Oct 09 2010 at 11:30am |
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Some things I noticed from the last council meeting: NO PERSONNEL CUTS - Meaning enough money will be stolen from other accounts to keep the bloated payroll intact with raises. So no money for pool, parks, cemetery, hydraulic canal, separate combined sewers, maintain our streets or anything else that would actually help Middletown attract businesses or non-section 8 people. Remember that over 80% of the over-paid people that get these city paychecks live outside of Middletown. Taking all those millions of dollars out of Middletown, instead of being churned here in town, will keep us poor and a low income slum. Every dollar kept in town and churned has a six dollar positive effect. So if $4 million a month leaves town, with these carpetbaggers, that is like removing $24 million every month from our economy. No city our size can rebound or even maintain our economic future with these losses. I’m sure that Mr. Dillman, other local stores, local restaurants, and local retail stores would love to have that money spent locally. The carpetbaggers remind me of W.C. Fields when asked about joining a country club. His response was that he would never join a club that would have him as a member. Our carpetbaggers would never live in a city that would have them as an employee. The carpetbaggers come here and destroy our city but go home elsewhere so they don’t have to put up with the corruption that they inflict on the citizens of Middletown. Did Judy really say that average police response time was between 4 and 5 minutes? Hahahahahahaha At the previous meeting didn’t the man talking about Jacot Park say that it took an hour and a half for police to respond to his call? When I heard this, I thought that police response was faster than usual because it was city owned property. |
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Mike_Presta
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Posted: Oct 06 2010 at 1:31pm |
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Mike_Presta
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Posted: Oct 06 2010 at 1:13pm |
That is why we have "conflict of interest" laws in this state!!! (Granted, Middletown's city hall usually chooses to IGNORE such laws, but the laws exist, nonetheless!!!)
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Mike_Presta
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Posted: Oct 06 2010 at 1:00pm |
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I might mention that I recreated the "4-3 split" post as best I could from memory from the one that I posted about 3 AM as a comment to The eJournal's story on last night's meeting. The Journal, for reasons unfathomable to me, saw fit to DELETE my comment.
It certainly seems strange--at least to me--that an entity in the "free speech" business is so quick to censor such harmless free speech by others!!!
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Mike_Presta
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Posted: Oct 06 2010 at 12:50pm |
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Regarding the “4-3 split”: The “3” usually state their individual reasons for the way they vote on disputed issues, and their reasons are usually individual--at least to some extent. On the other hand, the “4” usually sit back in silence and vote as if they had already agreed beforehand. It is the “4” that appear to vote as a “bloc”. Here’s to the “3”!!! |
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Mike_Presta
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Posted: Oct 06 2010 at 12:32pm |
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By the way, certain council members seem to think it takes specialized skills to sit on some of these boards and commissions. Well, apparently whoever designed and approved the application form does not agree. Please consider the following copied and pasted exactly from the “APPLICATION FOR CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS”:
I suppose perhaps the very same council person who thinks it takes “specialized skills” never bothered to read the completed application forms before voting to approve proposed board and commission members or he would have noticed this. Oh well, it sometimes seems that he doesn’t bother to read CITY ORDINANCES before he votes to enact them either!!!! |
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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VietVet
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Posted: Oct 06 2010 at 12:31pm |
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Thought I read where the current member policy requires only those who reside in the city can be board members, UNLESS there is a "special expertise" that is required for the specific board. Guess I would need for them to define what "special expertise" is. I would also, knowing them and the lack of a trust factor here, like to know why, all of a sudden, they are wanting to make it official for outsiders to serve on our local boards/committees when all this time, there have been folks who live outside the city and serve anyway. Why now, do they want to bring this up when they have been doing this all along without it being a big issue with the people??? Have they been approached about residence requirements for the boards from a legal standpoint? Do they have some outsiders that they want to bring into the city to strengthen their stranglehold on city affairs? Why now, do they want to make this "outsider" thing official?
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Paul Nagy
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Posted: Oct 06 2010 at 12:25pm |
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Ah Bill,
Finally, we have somethings that we agree on. I absolutely agree with you that it was maddening watching that meeting go on and on. I also agree that Mr. Dan Picard's outburst was rude.
But thats about it for what we agree on. Personally I like AJ asking questions. Thats how you find out what is really going on. I also like his admiration for the fire chief. I happen to agree that our Fire Chief is the best we could possibly have. He is a professional's professional. We need more like him. He and his crew keep us all safer and put their lives on the line for us.
Now, as For Mr. Josh Laubaugh. I don't see him being contrary over minor isssues. I see him standing up for principles of government that this city needs and have been ignored for far to long.. Representatives of the government are supposed to be servants of the electrorate that put them in office to represent them. They are not supposed to be Lords over us, corrupt and constantly serving special interests. He is absolutely correct when he says that non-residents on our boards and commisions are not representative of our community. By the very nature of the situation a non-resident cannot act in the best interests of the residents because he doesn't pay for the privilege and neither does he have the residents experience living with the situation as the resident does. And the point about not finding a qualified resident for a board appointment is always moot. Look how many unqualified people we have on boards now. But, I'm so thankful they are there. Yes, Bill you do need to hear his ideology of representative democracy because even here you are arguing against it.
Thanks for your post. Your speaking out is what democracy is all about. Ask Mr. Laubaugh.
Paul Nagy
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Mike_Presta
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Posted: Oct 06 2010 at 12:20pm |
You see, here is the law, copied and pasted exactly from Middletown's Codified City Ordinances:
So, for years, this and previous city councils have been BREAKING THE LAW, and our sorry excuse for a City Law Director has sat silently by and let them do so without saying a word!!! Yet he advocates hounding the citizenry for huge fines for each and every tiny, obscure infraction that city hall can dig up!!!
Can it be "monitored"??? One would think so, but apparently our present City Law Director is just NOT up to the task!!! |
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Pacman
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Posted: Oct 06 2010 at 12:16pm |
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Bill, why is it always not a big deal in Middletown? Do me a favor Bill go to Franklin, Monroe, West Chester, Dayton, or any city of your choice and get on any Board. I would be curious if it were allowed or even legal in anyother city.
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