Driving around Middletown
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Topic: Driving around Middletown
Posted By: chmoore1
Subject: Driving around Middletown
Date Posted: Sep 02 2014 at 10:42pm
| Questions while driving around Middletown: (1) Tytus at Nelbar---why do we still have to wait for the green turn signal before turning right onto Nelbar? Don't we know how to safely turn right on red?(2)why does it take FOREVER for the light to change while sitting at Rosedale and Breiel? and more importantly...(3) driving east on Central, why does traffic stop at the point with First Avenue? It would be safer for traffic to stop while driving on First. It is safer for a driver to look over his left shoulder to look for traffic than to try to maneuver himself to strain to his right, especially if he is driving a panel truck or van with no side windows. Also, it IS Central Avenue that continues, NOT First. Things to ponder while driving around the town. just 1chmoore. |
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Posted By: ktf1179
Date Posted: Sep 02 2014 at 10:44pm
| My main question is why is there so many one way streets in downtown Middletown? Why don't they make them 2 way like Dayton and so many cities are doing? |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Sep 03 2014 at 6:26am
Back in the day (1950's for me), when the downtown was crowded and there were many people shopping and working down there, to avoid congestion, Central Ave. and Manchester Ave. (one-way) provided the inbound traffic route and First Ave's one-way double lane design relieved the congestion on Central at 5PM go-home time. First Ave. was the designated outbound route. Actually still is to this date although the traffic has diminished considerably. JMO ------------- I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over. |
ktf1179 wrote:Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Sep 03 2014 at 6:41am
My guess? There is a long sweeping turn off of northbound University onto Nelbar and, perhaps, the thinking is that as one turns left onto Nelbar heading to the train overpass, they get some speed in the turn and might not allow enough of a chance, without risk, of one being able to make the right turn in a safe manner off of southbound University. Rosedale has much less traffic than Breiel. Perhaps a matter of numbers?? Much more efficient to hold up a few cars on Rosedale a little longer than the many on Breiel? A "Keep the boulevards moving" concept perhaps? Dunno. Since First Ave. was designed to keep traffic moving out of the downtown, and because it is a one-way two lane street with more traffic volume (we're talking years ago now when there actually was a high traffic volume coming out of downtown) and because Central is one lane heading east and out of the downtown, perhaps the city engineers, at the time, thought it would be safer for Central to stop the one lane rather than to stop the two lane First Ave. faster moving traffic. Just guessing here. Gotta stop one of them and since First had a higher volume at the time, they probably decided to keep it moving first. Again, just guessing here. ------------- I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over. |
Posted By: 409
Date Posted: Sep 03 2014 at 10:23am
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The stop at Central & First occurred years ago when First Ave. was a part of SR122. Recall that First & Manchester were part of SR122 before the beltway was built, Reinartz overpass existed, and even before the Nelbar underpass was built. ------------- Every morning is the dawn of a new error... |
Posted By: over the hill
Date Posted: Sep 03 2014 at 10:37am
| My question is why we have added so many "no turn on red" signs? If any one remembers, during the "gas crisis" of the early '80's legislation was passed to allow more signs to be erected in an effort to save on gas as opposed to sitting at lights when a right turn on red was possible. We use to be able to turn right at the Towne Mall on to 122 but no more. The light at Cinn-Day and 122 does not allow right turn on red. Never have understood that. There was plenty of land area by the car rental place to allow for the extra lane. The turn arrow at Tytus and Nelbar is a figment of your imagination. If I see that turn arrow once in 6months I think it is a call for celebration. Any one from enginering jump in any time would love to hear the rationale as to why we could at one time and now we can't. |
Posted By: middletownscouter
Date Posted: Sep 03 2014 at 1:53pm
This one annoys me as well. Back in my school days in the early 1990's one of my teachers related it as a "five Hail Mary" stop. I realize Breiel is one of the busier streets in town but perhaps the only time of day that it would be so congested as to be a hindrance to shorten the wait at that light would be right before the start of the day at the high school and likewise right after dismissal for the day. It reminds me of when the traffic light went in at Manchester and Marshall. We had to wait F.O.R.E.V.E.R. for that light to change. They finally shortened the cycle time but took years of complaints. With the additional businesses that have gone in right at that traffic light over the last decade and a half along with Rosedale being extended all the way to Marshall you'd think it would be a benefit to shorten the wait time at that light. |
Posted By: chmoore1
Date Posted: Sep 03 2014 at 2:29pm
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Mscouter: Rosedale/Breiel has been going on for over 12 years, when my kids went to HS. I suppose that there is a sensor in the pavement that seems to be activated only after 3 or more cars accumulate at the intersection. This, along with the fact that if one car is going straight across Breiel (going east), the car(s) behind can't turn right because there's no room to get by the first. Street department/engineering: can you help? just 1chmoore. |