SB 5 Petition Signatures

Bocephus wrote: middletownscouter wrote: Bocephus, which middle class jobs are being stolen away from Americans by illegal immigrants?   Millions of illegal immigrants in this Country willing to work for lower wages lowers working men and womens ability to earn a liveable wage.Once they gain legal (status which is what this administration wants to grant them) then they can compete even more with American citizens for jobs not to mention the 150,000 or so a month of legal immigrants that come here every month for jobs I wonder where they all work at?when millions of Americans are unemployed? So lets see hmmm...Maybe by flooding our economy with cheaper foreign labor? Hope that answers your question.

Truer words were never spoken Bo, particularly in Tucson Arizona. We moved there in 2004-2005. I searched for a decent paying job ($15-$20/hour) with benefits for 8 months before giving up and we came back to Ohio. What we found was that the illegals (and legals) were willing to work long hard hours for less pay than the American worker. The employer knew this and knew that they could hire legals (and illegals) at a lesser pay rate, didn't have to provide benefits, thereby not having to incur the cost of the premium coverage. This whole scenario drove down the wages and started a trend whereby employers stopped offering paid benefits. If you wanted medical coverage, they offered it, but you paid for it, if you could with the lousy hourly rate paid. If you opted to accept the wages offered to the legals/illegals, you couldn't afford the cost of living in Tucson. Only a small number of places to work that provided both.....U.of Arizona Medical Research Center, the hospitals, and Ratheon and you had a snowball's chance in hell getting into one of those places. The majority were low paying service jobs paying in the $6 to $10/hour range and no bennies. Bottom line....illegals do drive down wages, resulting in poor selection of decent jobs in an area and employers take advantage of the situation....for sure in Tucson.

Today's Journal....

SB5: Trust big issue between unions, governments
Cities, unions wary of each other as they await a decision by voters

David Lippert, president of Hamilton Caster, said whatever happens with the referendum on SB 5, the public will see increased costs, decreased services, or both.

“It’s a question of balance,” he said. “Everyone gets impacted. If an entity goes broke, that will impact the community negatively. If there’s a cutback in services or if costs go out of sight, that will be a negative impact.”

Lippert, whose company has unionized employees, said in the public sector, there is a check on costs because he can only sell his product for what the market will bear.

“There doesn’t seem to be much of a check on the costs of public employees,” he said.

Lippert said there needs to be better checks on the benefits that public employees receive in terms of wages, step increases, vacation and sick time as well as with the binding arbitration provisions.


TONYB- LIPPERT'S COMMENT BELOW IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SAY IN ALL OF MY POSTS.

“From everything I’ve read, public employees in general are pretty well compensated compared to their private sector counterparts,” he said

Holy cow!!!