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   Bill, I disagree with you, I think you should have to live here to be on these boards. Too many people making decisions about this town live elsewhere now. IMO

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randy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List MUSA Official Joined: Jan 13 2009 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 1586	Post Options Post Reply Quote randy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Oct 06 2010 at 12:07pm
	Bill, I disagree with you, I think you should have to live here to be on these boards. Too many people making decisions about this town live elsewhere now. IMO
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Bill Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List MUSA Citizen Joined: Nov 04 2009 Status: Offline Points: 710	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bill Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Oct 06 2010 at 11:08am
	Maddening watching that meeting go on and on. Other than Picard's rude outbrust, it was the AJ show -- rambling on just to hear himself speak, asking silly questions, and practically asking the fire chief out on a date. Josh seems like he is now trying to be contrary over even minor issues -- as if the earlier criticism from MUSA hurt him. C'mon folks, the issue of non-residents on boards and committees isn't that big of an issue and one that can't be monitored. Just vote yes or no and move on with things. No Mr. Nagy, I don't need to hear the ideology of someone who likes to act like he lived in 1776. And ASJ spouted off about the 4-3 split as if it were something sinister. Not sure where she was heading with that.

Pacman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jun 02 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2612	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pacman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Oct 06 2010 at 9:44am
	Do we all remember just a few short years ago, well it appears that we are digressing to that situation once again, and people and city officials get on the posters on Middletown USA, go figure. The last two meetings by City Officials have been an embarrassment to this city and a disservice to the citizens.

spiderjohn Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749	Post Options Post Reply Quote spiderjohn Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Oct 06 2010 at 9:30am
	Sewer fund on yer water bill: When this first started, at a Wildwood school tax levy forum I ?ed the city manager Mr.Becker about this new charge. Mr.Marconi and Mr.Duritsch were quick to explain that this fund was started to cover sewer improvements, particularly the very expensive fix in the former downtown area. I would like to know just how much $$ has been collected to date, how much is reserved for the former downtown area sewer project, and how the rest of the collected $$ has been spent. Bo

Paul Nagy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List MUSA Citizen Joined: Jan 11 2009 Status: Offline Points: 384	Post Options Post Reply Quote Paul Nagy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Oct 06 2010 at 9:15am
	Viet Vet and Spiderjohn are correct: "We will never have a decent debate with the current make-up of 4 for the bad guys and 3 for the people. It will always be skewed to do the bidding in the current town-destroying direction with the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse doing the bidding of their anonymous daddies from above who are pulling the strings as to what happens in this town. They then turn it over to Gilleland, Kohler, Robinette and others to execute their desires. Sad state of affairs. Gut it all and start over 'cause it ain't workin' this way." Viet Vet　 "Every meeting is more depressing than the prior... The citizen is hardly even secondary to the employees and selected special interests." Spider John It is time to expose the true situation and name names in order to put an end to the corruption. Its been my observation throught the years and it is my opinion that the line of command is something like this: The real city leaders are people like Doug McNeil, Bill Akers, the Cohen family, Jim Wainscott, Knight Goodman, etc.. They make the decisions and pass it on down. The second tier runs interference for them with people like Mike Scorti, Paul Nenni, Bill Triick, Ann Mort, etc.. It then goes down to their flunkies on council and the administration. Thats also where the money flows to get them elected. If you don't believe that then follow the money from Middletown Moving Forward since 2005 and look at the names and their special interests involved. Middletown Moving Forward is totally illegal (like a lot of things) because the city attorney Les Landen is the attorney for Middletown Moving Forward as well as the city. It is an outright conflict of interests and which is why he slants all legislation the way he does. It is time to stop the corruption and give the citizens a break. The city leaders need to straighten their flunkies out and get rid of Les Landen, Judy Gilliland and Marty Kohler to start. They need to do a complete overhaul on the city's finances and set the city in a new direction. Due to their actions and funneling to their special Interests and all of the public fighting our city image is really, really terrible. Its time to change it. If they don't step forward then we need an uprising from the citizens that will bring an investigation from the State (which they will be experts in covering up). Then we need to get a petition or wait and go to the polls and change council as Spiderjohn has often pointed out. Enough is enough and I'm willing to pay the price after that spectacle last night. Paul Nagy How about you? Will you speak out and stand up to them? If so, then do it.

spiderjohn Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749	Post Options Post Reply Quote spiderjohn Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Oct 06 2010 at 7:33am
	Every meeting is more depressing than the prior... The citizen is hardly even secondary to the employees and selected special interests. Mr.Picard didn't mind interrupting Ms.Scott Jones in mid-sentence to make his motion for a vote a few meetings ago. Should she have told him to shut up while she was talking? Plenty of qualified citizens to fill boards/commissions if they are not scared off. Will qualified citizens be excluded for out-of-town "experts" now? Why would an out-of-town "expert" want to serve without compensation? Vote NO on everything Replace everyone

VietVet Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008	Post Options Post Reply Quote VietVet Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Oct 06 2010 at 7:31am
	Ok, did Danny Picard actually tell Laubach to shut up while he was speaking? Mercy! And where was the mayor to oversee any verbal confrontation such as this? Did the mayor try to keep order? Mr. Picard owes Mr. Laubach an apology as this was unprofessional. You would have thought that the decorum would have improved and that members on council would have learned a thing or two from the Laura Williams outbursts, especially since they made it to You Tube. We will never have a decent debate with the current make-up of 4 for the bad guys and 3 for the people. It will always be skewed to do the bidding in the current town-destroying direction with the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse doing the bidding of their anonymous daddies from above who are pulling the strings as to what happens in this town. They then turn it over to Gilleland, Kohler, Robinette and others to execute their desires. Sad state of affairs. Gut it all and start over 'cause it ain't workin' this way.

Nelson...Himself Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List MUSA Resident Joined: Sep 08 2010 Status: Offline Points: 69	Post Options Post Reply Quote Nelson...Himself Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Oct 06 2010 at 7:14am
	SELECTIVE.."Citizens..Participation"..thrives..in..Middletown..government. Mike--- Thanks..for..sharing..your..story..about..the.."By..Invitation..Only"..Finance..Committee. How..sad..that..City..staff/Committee..members..didn't..advise..you..of..meeting..dates/times. Then..there..was..the..now-defunct..Consolidated..Planning..Advisory..Committee..(CPAC). When..member..Chris..Amburgey..wanted..a..HUD..audit..the..committee..was..abolished. Just..ask..Paul..Renwick/Robin..M...French/Walter..Leap/Bert..Grimes/Rosa..Lean..Lindsey. Skip..Batten..and..I..presented..them..and..other..CPAC..members..with..written..proof. The..so-called..Committee..now..includes..Judy..and..Doug's..usual..suspects. And..that's..how..the..story..continues..to..go..in..the..City..of..the..MMF!!

Mike_Presta Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mike_Presta Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Oct 06 2010 at 3:14am
	...on last night's council meeting: MetroPark guy didn’t really say squat about where the dollars went. He was very vague. The truth is that Middletown gets very little out of their Metro-Park tax dollars. What, *EXACTLY, has Metro-Park done for Sebald Park that benefit’s the average Middletonian, Mr. Metro-Parks guy??? How can someone be an “elector* of the city” without being a “*resident* of the city”??? Of course there are not enough qualified people in Middletown (except of course for MMF, some of whom are from out of town) to sit on boards and commissions, and MMF folks are just too busy to sit on all of the many boards and commissions established in this city. After all, most MMFers just want to be on boards and commissions solely to embellish their resumes--they don’t *really* intend to *serve!!!* According to Ms. G., the direction was determined by the “Finance Committee”!!! Might I remind everyone that the “Finance Committee” and the City Council were *ONE AND THE SAME!!!* (Except, of course, for yours truly--and after the second meeting of the “Finance Committee” they wouldn’t even tell me when or where the meetings were being held.) Why is it that every time it sounds as if someone is about to spill the beans about what they were FORCED to do or say (as Chief Botts seemed about to do last night), City Manager Gilleland interjects words along the lines of: “In the interest of keeping things moving along…” and changes the subject??? And, suddenly, once again, the finance Director suddenly “found” enough money “either in the garage charges or the depreciation” to fund a public safety need!!! It’s a miracle how this always seems to occur!!! (Good ol’ Russ didn’t want any part of an open microphone in front of his face during this conversation!!!) Robinette's little presentation??? Pure B. S.!!!
	“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012