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    Posted: May 06 2010 at 10:47am
Congratulations to the Middletown School district, board and new school superintendent Rasmussen for your efforts paid off in getting the Substitute levy passed.

Here is hoping for academic progress.
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Vet, it won't be a surprise if in a couple years we'll hear about how this levy was just to maintain service, bussing, etc. but in order to leap forward and tackle the real problems they need additional staff and, therefore, a new levy.
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Congratulations to Ms. Andrew, the Spider and other school levy supporters on their victory. You convinced the few voters that there were and won your prize.

I am totally amazed at the general public on their ability to reason and use logic on this. The data to date, presents an unsuccessful school district in a high tax area, spending a very high cost per pupil to produce, IN GENERAL---IN GENERAL (for all those who want to mis-read this) an inferior product(yes- there are exceptions) in the form of the poorly educated student.(when compared to other districts) Amazing!!! All of this evidence, and the voters opted for approval???? Now, with the operational money in place, the school board, the new super, the admin. and the teachers will continue to make suttle changes, produce broken bits and pieces of evidence indicating improvement to appease the public and, when the Journal publishes the results of the next proficiency testing, we will see the same results we have always seen. (I think that's a safe guess on my part based on historical test data as it relates to the promised "changes" of the past levies) The real, meaningful changes just flat out never materialize folks. Haven't for years. They are made at levy approval time and just "fade away in the sunset" as after-election time passes. Today marks the beginning of the same sequence of events. The schools will take a big breath of relief and head back to their daily rituals, knowing that everything is ok in their little world and they can continue to operate as usual, knowing the forgetful public will not remember the "promises to improve" to get their little levy passed. I cringe when I look at the picture of Rasmussen and Tyus all giddy with delight, knowing that they are safe because, once again, they were part of the winning side, thanks to the apathy of the no voter. The apathy/laziness of the no voter lost this levy for the "anti" side. They are fools to have allowed this to happen and have now contributed to more stagnation.

Again, congrats to the winners. I am disappointed in the outcome and fear no positive results from this approval.
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MIDDLETOWN CITY SCHL ISSUE 5          
Total
Number of Precincts          37     
Precincts Reporting          37     100.0 %
Total Votes          709     
FOR THE TAX LEVY          384     54.16%
AGAINST THE TAX LEVY          325     45.84%
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Today is "starve the beast day" at the polls. We will be voting no on any and all issues and voting for anyone but the incumbants on all races. Isn't it time to force some changes from the failed ways that have been used for so long. Let's throw out the trash that causes business as usual. Could today be the start in a new direction? You decide....is it going to be more of the same old people, performance and programs or are you ready for something different?
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Spiderjohn, thank you for participating on the levy committee. We do feel that it is helpful to have input from a variety of different segments of the community. When everyone on a committee thinks the same, that is not productive. 
 
This board is trying to reach out to the community to achieve a wider level of participation in our working committees (finance, facilities, curriculum, communications/marketing, technology). If you (or anyone else posting or lurking here) is interested in serving on these committees that advise the board, contact Debbie Alberico.
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Ms.Andrews:
Thank you for the opportunity to be involved with the levy committee.
It was a pleasure to meet the staff involved and yourself.
I hope that my thinking was helpful in some small way.
 
Thank you very much for contributing to this forum by answering ?s and supplying valuable insight and information.
 
Hopefully I have made a few people motivated to pass this issue.
I hope all reading this will vote for this issue, and that everyone reading this votes on all issues.
 
Good luck tomorrow night!
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Good news Ms. Andrew concerning the protection of the taxpayers. On behalf of us overburdened property owners, I thank you and the board for the representation on this specific event. I would think that there will be union resistance at the thought of tying performance to pay. This will take some "getting use to" from the union as they're use to receiving an increase with performance not being an issue. This is a start in the right direction for your board, Ms. Andrew. We will be paying attention to the track record you establish in your "taxpayer protection plan". Right now- for your efforts.
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Vet, yes, I was out both Saturday and Sunday going door to door reminding people to vote and asking for support of the school levy. Sunday, my kids asked to help.  Smartman is correct, the flyers were paid for by the Invest in Tomorrow Committee, funded by private donations.
 
Re the teachers union agreeing to a wage freeze, you ask if the board is going to protect the taxpayers. Yeah. do you think the teachers union volunteered to a freeze without being asked??? One year gives us time to work on incorporating student results into teacher (and admin) evaluations and pay in some way as required by the Race to the Top initiative.
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Whatever Bill,,,,you are so funny,,,,NOTThumbs%20Down
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"Invest in Tomorrow"...is that like the sign in the store window that said "Free Beer Tomorrow"?  a tomorrow that never comes?  LOL

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Thank you for the feedback Smartman.
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Vet, the flyers are paid for by donations to Invest in Tomorrow. The district does not pay for campaign material.
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Ms. Andrew- was that you with the kids out walking in the rain on Sunday afternoon? Thought I saw you on Rachel Lane passing out "vote for the school levy" flyers door to door. Question for you- are the flyers paid for by private "pro-levy" donations or does the funding come from the school coffers? One of the kids asked me to vote for the levy. I promised him that I would vote. I applaud your group efforts in poor weather even though we disagree on the purpose.
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Bill all we can do is wait and see at this point.  I find it hard to compare a district with 45,000+ students and 84  schools, as listed on the Kansas Education site, in Wichita to what can be expected here, a district with 6500 students and what 9-10 schools.
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Just some Stats on the Cities:
 
                                               Wichita                                          Middletown
 
Population                              358,772 and growing                   48,000+/- and declining by Census estimates
Poverty Rate                          14.3%                                           22%
Section 8 Vouchers                2500                                             1662
Section 8 Vouchers/capita      1 for every 143 Residents            1 for every 29 Residents  
Free and Reduced lunch        70%+/-    2008-2009                     67%=+/-      2008-2009    
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I hope you're right Pacman.  I just hope people aren't overly optimistic about him just because he comes off as a different personality than Price.  I wish him the best but am not expected too much.
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Bill exactly what would you like to see with 3-4 weeks of school left, a total upheaval of the school system.  I don't think anyone would be well served by that.  Rasmussen now has about 4 months to formulate a plan to hopefully start in August of this year.  Hopefully he is a walk softly, my impression as of now, and carry a big stick type in the Middle and High school and will get a grip on the discipline issues before the start of the next school year.  Some say that new discipline plans have already been started yet no one can produce them when asked on here.  The School Districts website also does not reflect any new Discipline Policy, when I last looked at it. 
 
As far as the above interview goes.  I think Rasmussen was straight forward with his thoughts and answers and did not get pulled into the Diversity trap when the question was asked.  He also mentioned that if the voters were still dissatisfied with the schools performance and if the permanent levy passed the voters could always attempt to overturn the levy by getting it put back on ballot at a later date.   Granted this is a long shot and the state puts obstacles in the way of attempting this in the state law but it could be done.
 
Overall I found the interview interesting and Rasmussen's goals and ideas of how matters should be handled a far cry from the old Price Doctrine.  Only time will tell who is right.Thumbs%20Up
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I think Rasmussen has made abundantly clear that he is not taking any action yet and is just listening and learning.  If I had to bet at this early stage I have a feeling that he will not be a success here -- wrong fit for wrong situation.  This district needs a strong turnaround specialist who can run MCSD as as business and butt some heads to get things done.  Bob Sommers may have been a good one.  I think the new guy would have been good for a successful district who maybe had some in-fighting or needed to tweak a few things.  Plus I doubt bringing in a guy from another state is going to work when we need some dramatic action.
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Kevin Aldridge, at the beginning of the show, "This is Voices Of Color where we discuss a variety of topics and a variety of opinions". This is not true Aldridge. You may discuss a variety of topics, but you are certainly not open to discuss a variety of opinions. This show, IMO, from beginning to end, showcases the levy support and is designed to offer one side of the ledger. The content of this show offered the expected responses and canned rhetoric heard from the pro-levy faction. TV Middletown, to my knowledge, has never offered an opportunity for anyone to present a case for opposition to what the city leaders want for the city (or schools). The shows that I have watched always feature some prominent leader of an organization or a city official, that offers only one side of the coin on discussion. If they truely wanted this show to discuss all opinions, they would have set it up as a debate and allowed the no voters to express their opinions (and to have asked Mr. Rasmussen questions) in a format that presented both sides. Apparently, there is no equal representation policy offered by TV Middletown, which, by the way, is funded by ALL citizens on both sides of the fence.
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Can anyone figure out how one can understand the workings of Middletown in just three weeks when most of us who has lived here for twenty or more years haven't figure out the the system and thinking yet. This guy is amazingClap
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Interesting show with Rasmussen http://www.blip.tv/file/3554435
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Vet, I had a minor virus which was impacting my keyboard, so my last thread was rather unreadable. I would not be concerned about the Journal and its impact. It has none. 90% of what's in it is the crime public record data, "Do You Know If Yur Neighbor Is In Jail", See Who Committed What Crime Today." They simply troll for the crime public record data. On the vast majority of cases, anything the Journal endorses, it fails. I told you how this will come down. Those like Smartman who enjoy going to Myrtle Beach with his top 10% group will vote ys, better to spred expense over many people---the companies have left, so now its mainly the residents. The thinking group with objective fact, will vote no, realizing this simply motivates and serves as a catalyst to those who want to keep overhead in place, not disrupt the 8-4 routine, while property values plummet. Then, if they have some infrastructure in place, will vote YES, by going to the assisted living and nursing homes, getting those votes as they pay no taxes. And by raising these taxes capped at 4%, Middletown will just continue its decline because you can't give a house away, and no one wants anything to do with Middletown.  
 
It isn't worth getting upset over anything the Journal does or doesn't do, it has been irrelevant for years. If it passes, it will only be because more parents got out to keep the status quo, and spread costs out, not because anyone is not aware the needle on CI is stuck, and it won't be going anywhere soon. Just watch how many houses spring up and people dump their houses if this passes. Middletown is not worth gtting upset. Its a city in free fall, and has been for 30 years. But. Springboro is made up of some rather intelligent people, so maybe enough will say, "this levy does nothing to raise schools performance; what it does do i assure my taxes are raised, when my value is heading south."
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I see the Journal had a story yesterday about the teacher's union bravely suggesting a year's pay freeze as their fair share of sacrifice. Nice timing for the announcement right before the levy. Don't think it was designed that way to sway voter opinion do you? (he said, knowing the answer) Hasn't been finalized as yet as the vote awaits. Wonder what the high salary admin. portion of the school system will sacrifice in pay? They haven't offered as yet. Might not either. Negotiations between the school board and the teacher's union will occur soon. As discussed, Ms. Andrew, will your school board allow the union to "have it's way" or will your school board represent the taxpayer for once? Time to put up some resistance to their demands isn't it? We're watching.

Also noticed yesterday, that the Journal stopped allowing comments on Ms. Andrew's article as well as other pro-levy responses. Must have a policy to cut off all negative, anti-levy talk prior to the election, repeating the censorship that was evident on their blog a year ago. Wouldn't want a newspaper to report fair and objective viewpoints, would we? What a sad newspaper it has become.
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When the AK strike started, that put the community in a mess which would have taken a decade to dig out from. Then, the collapse of September 2008 put thecity two decades behind. Theeare so many homes in foreclosure in Middletown, there is enoug houing stock for decades. Middletown is in a nightmarish situation. Companies left, no more burden is placed on those whom can't get out. Its disgusting, fustrating, and really nauseating.
 
So, the passage of the levy doesn't do anything fo th proprety values. People are avoiding Middleto like a plaque and have for th past 7-8 years. Now, its not even possible to get out. Wht makes Miletown such a mess is there were mny, like me, who was ready to sell out during th strike but thought, what the hell, let it stabilize. And its just goten worse.
 
My final point: the public servants are vastly overpaid and provide too great in benefits. The levy just protects the empire. There were be more lower demographics: $200,000. buy a very nice home in Middletown. With the excess housing stock, it ju wil be a continued influx of renters and such. I wasn't een going to bother voting as i am so disgute wth this city's decay until I thought how much time I wasted for Middletow to rbuild, clean up itsact, and it just doesn't get better. And pssing thelvy sure won't mae it so.                          
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